massraider
Footballguy
It’s really only terrible compensation if the next great QB is taken with that 24 pick. And that’s just perception. Everyone seems to be on board with the trade.
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2023 New York Jets (9 Viewers)
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Everything you said made sense up until the point where Zach Wilson is Tom Brady. Time to put down the bong dude.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
jwb
Footballguy
If he shows growth, why wouldn't they? They have two years to decide.
Zach was not ready, plain and simple. Some guys aren't. I like the idea of trying to salvage him.
rockaction
Footballguy
This is my understanding as well which is why I said he's likely done in NY. No way they pick up that option unless something unforeseen happens.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
They dont need to commit to the 5th yr and they wont - if he develops looks good for the 2 yrs they can sign him to a new reasonable contract. im very confident JD is absolutely hoping ZW can learn from Arod and develop behind the scenes.
rockaction
Footballguy
Guys, remember when we thought we just needed to surround Sam Darnold with some talent and he'd be okay? Wilson doesn't just need a little time, he needs an entirely different way to approach the game. He's cooked.
jwb
Footballguy
Oops, my bad - you are correct. But even if they don't (and given that timeframe it's unlikely unless they really see something), they still get two years to make a decision on Zach himself.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
I really dont want to turn this great day into a Zach Wilson referendum but lets be real - the kid had 2 yrs of being thrown into the mix after playing a bunch of creampuff teams without any time to sit back and learn the game from a pro like Rodgers. He's 23 yrs old - younger than Jordan Love - and has a gun for an arm. Most of the problems stem from lack of experience and confidence. To count on him at this point is ridiculous but its just as ridiculous to bury him at 23. There is a reason he was a blue chip prospect. I think this is the perfect situation for him and the best chance that he could be developed and be a decent QB some day. The Jets could absolutely let him sit behind Rodgers for 2 yrs and then sign him to a new contract if he shows advancement. Odds are against it but I dont think its impossible at all - want proof that sometimes it takes time to develop? look at the year Geno Smith just had - Steve young was a disaster then developed slowly behind Montana. Again - rare but I do think JD has not given up on Wilson
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I hope Zach does show something. I’m not hopeful.
So, the Jets can't afford to sign their draft picks right now, right? Like they need to make some cuts or re-structures?
If I had to guess, 1 of CJ Mosley, Carl Lawson, or Corey Davis, isn't gonna be on the team much longer. Probably Davis, unless EDGE or LB end up being high rookie picks.
If I had to guess, 1 of CJ Mosley, Carl Lawson, or Corey Davis, isn't gonna be on the team much longer. Probably Davis, unless EDGE or LB end up being high rookie picks.
I know, its like Mahomes and a bunch of jags.
zamboni
Footballguy
Davis has been as good as gone for some time, and was reinforced when they signed Lazard.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I think the Jets finally did it.
Rodgers is a legitimate franchise QB.
He's got real WRs for a change.
SOLID D.
Honestly the Jets are real contenders.
Doc and Rock and the rest of the crew 'should' jump on board because its time.
Rodgers is a legitimate franchise QB.
He's got real WRs for a change.
SOLID D.
Honestly the Jets are real contenders.
Doc and Rock and the rest of the crew 'should' jump on board because its time.
The Kerminator
Footballguy
I think the Jets finally did it.
Rodgers is a legitimate franchise QB.
He's got real WRs for a change.
SOLID D.
Honestly the Jets are real contenders.
Doc and Rock and the rest of the crew 'should' jump on board because its time.
Rodgers is a legitimate franchise QB. Or Rodgers was a legitimate franchise QB? That is the question.
He's got real WRs for a change. Davante Adams ring a bell? Jordy Nelson? Greg Jennings? Donald Driver?
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
I think the Jets finally did it.
Rodgers is a legitimate franchise QB.
He's got real WRs for a change.
SOLID D.
Honestly the Jets are real contenders.
Doc and Rock and the rest of the crew 'should' jump on board because its time.
Rodgers is a legitimate franchise QB. Or Rodgers was a legitimate franchise QB? That is the question.
He's got real WRs for a change. Davante Adams ring a bell? Jordy Nelson? Greg Jennings? Donald Driver?
Rodgers is better than anything the Jets were going to trot out there this season. The Jets window is 2 seasons with Rodgers, hopefully for the Jets, last year was an outlier season and not the new norm.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Just to put in perspective - Rodgers "bad" season last year was
3,695 yds 26TDs 12 Ints 91.1 rating
That would be the 5th best season for a QB in Jets 50+ yr history - just behind:
2002 Chad Pennington 3,100 22/6 104
1998 Vinny Testaverde 3,250 29/7 101
1985 Kenny Obrien 3,888 25/8 96.2
2017 Josh Mcown 2,906 18/9 94.5
Also interesting was Favres one season - while hurt - Rodgers should easily beat
3,400 22/22 72
Did they pay a bit too much? possible - but based on the history of futility that is NYJ QBs Im absolutely fine with it. Easily the best QB to ever be a Jet. Im going to enjoy the ride...no matter how long it lasts!
3,695 yds 26TDs 12 Ints 91.1 rating
That would be the 5th best season for a QB in Jets 50+ yr history - just behind:
2002 Chad Pennington 3,100 22/6 104
1998 Vinny Testaverde 3,250 29/7 101
1985 Kenny Obrien 3,888 25/8 96.2
2017 Josh Mcown 2,906 18/9 94.5
Also interesting was Favres one season - while hurt - Rodgers should easily beat
3,400 22/22 72
Did they pay a bit too much? possible - but based on the history of futility that is NYJ QBs Im absolutely fine with it. Easily the best QB to ever be a Jet. Im going to enjoy the ride...no matter how long it lasts!
The AFC will be tougher than it was in 2022. Both Miami and NYJ are better on paper than they were in 2022. CLE should be better and LAC will be better - they had alot of injuries to key players. The Jets will face Allen(x2), Mahomes, Herbert, Watson, Hurts,Tua (x2), and Dak. Russell Wilson should be better, and 2 games vs BB won't be a cakewalk.
Both Miami and the Jets could be better and miss the playoffs. I'd have a hard time handicapping them given the schedule and possibility of injury to Tua and age effects to Rodgers.
Both Miami and the Jets could be better and miss the playoffs. I'd have a hard time handicapping them given the schedule and possibility of injury to Tua and age effects to Rodgers.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Interesting betting odds on first drafted player for Jets:
OL -270
OL -270
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
I'm pretty pleased overall, this is gonna be a fun season. You're not gonna get a caliber player like this without it hurting a bit. The guy won the last 2/3 MVP's, not exactly a rapid decline. If we get two seasons and two postseasons out of this, it will be worth it.. and maybe he will tack on a 3rd season for fun...
2010 has been a long time!
2010 has been a long time!
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Draft just over 24 hrs away - Jets really need to nail the 1st 2 picks and have them be big contributors. I know everyone is looking at OL - I am rooting for it as well - but I could see JD going either WR (since they lost out on OBJ) and DL with OT in the 2d rd. May not be a bad idea as Brown/Becton could hopefully hold the fort while the OL 2d rd pick is there to develop. Would love for them to trade up with the 4th and their 2 5th rders and grab a center prospect in the early 3rd.
Also could see JD trading back and obtaining more picks - perhaps to replace the one for last year if a QB still on the board.
Also could see JD trading back and obtaining more picks - perhaps to replace the one for last year if a QB still on the board.
zamboni
Footballguy
I think JD is smart enough not to lock in on OL even if it's probably the most glaring position need. If it's a toss up at #15 though and Skoronski is there, I could easily see it.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
These questions the press come up with are just so useless.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Obviously too soon to think about the guy who will come after him but given the new thread title this guy would be perfect Hi Neighbor
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Arch Manning will be a frosh at Texas this fall.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Imagine the storylines of Detroit v NYJ in Super Bowl LVIII
you get a redemption arc, and you get a redemption arc, and you, and you! everybody gets one!!
you get a redemption arc, and you get a redemption arc, and you, and you! everybody gets one!!
Harry Frogfish
Footballguy
Congrats. Legit team, finally. November and December I expect a run.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
TLEF316
Footballguy
Official prediction for tonight.......a trade down.....unless Paris Johnson makes it to 15 (which seems unlikely at this point)
Assuming tackle is their target (which obviously makes sense with Brown's age and Becton's health concerns), I dont see them chasing after another huge project guy like Broderick Jones(given the issues they've had with Becton). I'm sure they like Skoronski but his short arms might make him a better choice for guard. They're probably stuck with Tomlinson another year and they've been pretty adamant that they prefer to commit to AVT as a potential all-pro guard (as opposed to just a good to very good tackle, which he showed he can be last year).
I also think that they'd like to recoup some draft capital again (especially in a draft where there might not be much of a talent drop off from 15 to 25/30) Per the chart, a move from 15 to 25 would be worth a late 2nd rounder coming back. I haven't done any research on the players available in that range, but I could see Douglas valuing that sort of play.
I would take Skoronski and move AVT to RT....but I aint Joe.
Assuming tackle is their target (which obviously makes sense with Brown's age and Becton's health concerns), I dont see them chasing after another huge project guy like Broderick Jones(given the issues they've had with Becton). I'm sure they like Skoronski but his short arms might make him a better choice for guard. They're probably stuck with Tomlinson another year and they've been pretty adamant that they prefer to commit to AVT as a potential all-pro guard (as opposed to just a good to very good tackle, which he showed he can be last year).
I also think that they'd like to recoup some draft capital again (especially in a draft where there might not be much of a talent drop off from 15 to 25/30) Per the chart, a move from 15 to 25 would be worth a late 2nd rounder coming back. I haven't done any research on the players available in that range, but I could see Douglas valuing that sort of play.
I would take Skoronski and move AVT to RT....but I aint Joe.
Gatorman
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Will be interesting to see how the future plays out w the jets doing that round one pick swap as part of the AARON deal and if it ends up making a difference bc if they set this deal differently they get their qb and a lineman to protect him. Lots of pass rush now in Miami and buffalo.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
They called him a stud on ESPN this morning (think it was Ryan Clark but was paying half attention). I honestly don’t know enough about him.
TLEF316
Footballguy
This is the part that bothers me. They already had enough trouble finding enough snaps for those guys. Johnson was a first rounder (who never looked out of place in his limited PT) and Huff is one of the most efficient per-snap players in the league. Clemons also looked like a strong depth piece even as a rookie.
Now they're adding another guy to the mix. Just don't understand it. I get that Salah wants a deep stable of pass rushers to keep everyone fresh. I understand the strategy. But this seemed like major overkill given the other needs.
I'm all on board with best talent available, but the consensus is that they reached here.
Can't do anything about it now. As for tonight, plenty of solid players still on the board. But they really need to find a day 1 starter. The other OT from tOSU is still available, but he's a big project guy in the mold of Becton (probably without the athleticism necessary to be a potential LT). So I dont LOVE that.
There was plenty of talk about them going after Brian Branch, and he's still available. Still could take a guard and slide AVT to RT. And there's a couple of other project type tackles out there. Really no point going over a million different scenarios. There were likely be a ton of trade ups in the first 5-10 picks tonight as teams jump up to grab value guys (on their individual boards) that fell out of round 1.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Have to admit that having never seen the player and it not being a position of need that it feel underwhelming. Also, complete speculation but it also seems fair to surmise that JD seemed to get outmaneuvered. The swap which seemed harmless really hurt - all the time they took really seemed like they were trying to trade back - and while im sure they love the player, just did not result in value like last year. Especially a 24 yr old rookie but I assume they are looking for impact now.
That being said - Im trying to be optimistic. They are looking at a super bowl road of Allen/Mahomes - its not easy to beat those teams in a shootout. The blueprint on both shows that they lost a lot when harassed so a deep rotation of pass rushers makes sense. I remember the Giants taking pass rushers year after year and it led to big success. Also remember they will likely have no #1 next year and quite a few in the rotation will not be back after this year so now JD/Saleh have JJ and Richardson as bookends
Hoping for OL in rd #2 which - maybe a Center
That being said - Im trying to be optimistic. They are looking at a super bowl road of Allen/Mahomes - its not easy to beat those teams in a shootout. The blueprint on both shows that they lost a lot when harassed so a deep rotation of pass rushers makes sense. I remember the Giants taking pass rushers year after year and it led to big success. Also remember they will likely have no #1 next year and quite a few in the rotation will not be back after this year so now JD/Saleh have JJ and Richardson as bookends
Hoping for OL in rd #2 which - maybe a Center
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
It seems the Eagles get praised for adding and adding to their front 7 but when the Jets do it, it’s overkill. I get that the Eagles added name guys while the Jets did not but it seems that if he’s good having waves of pass rushers in the modern NFL isn’t a bad thing.
I’m not excited about the pick but let’s see how it plays out. I know OL depth is a necessity but the Jets are also getting guys back from injury there and my guess is they’ll add more depth in Round 2 tonight.
jwb
Footballguy
Nice call.
I like the optimistic take on McDonald. Hopefully he'll be a decent enough pick.
TLEF316
Footballguy
No issues with the pick. Seems like the "experts" were split on Tipman vs the kid from Minnesota (Who the giants got). Obviously he's REALLY big for a center. Perhaps TOO big. Seems like they're not married to him at that spot(Douglas was talking a lot about his versatility) . Could certainly see a scenario where McGovern starts at C again, Tipman plays guard and AVT kicks outside. Could even see him AVT going back to LEFT guard if Tomlinson's poor play from last year (by most statistical metrics. I obviously dont know a thing about guard play) continues and both tackles (Brown and AVT) are ready to go. And of course, Mitchell didn't embarrass himself last year and could theoretically be in the mix.
Either way, they've got enough quality depth that one injury wont send them into a tail spin. So THAT'S good.
No idea who is left, so it will be interesting to see what they do tomorrow.
Either way, they've got enough quality depth that one injury wont send them into a tail spin. So THAT'S good.
No idea who is left, so it will be interesting to see what they do tomorrow.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
And you didn’t even mention Becton. Obviously it’s hard to rely on him at this point but all footage I’ve seen he looks in tremendous shape at least. If he can come back and even be average this line should be much improved.
Having a QB that doesn’t panic under pressure will help as well.
zamboni
Footballguy
Usually can’t go wrong with Wisconsin beef. I like the pick.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Rodgers is used to taking snaps from centers who play in Wisconsin.
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