zamboni
Footballguy
I don’t think anyone would trade for him. Guessing he’s on the roster bubble and this is his last chance to show something. The fumble and bad drop isn’t helping his cause.
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Conroy
Footballguy
Watching Becton at RT was a little fun
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
He actually played fairly well.
rockaction
Footballguy
Zach Wilson's throw to Lazard on second and nine in the first quarter.
Please tell me we've seen the last of this guy when the preseason ends.
Please tell me we've seen the last of this guy when the preseason ends.
zamboni
Footballguy
No such luck because Boyle is really no better. Just have to pray that the only time we see Zach is holding the clipboard or getting Rodgers some Gatorade.Zach Wilson's throw to Lazard on second and nine in the first quarter.
Please tell me we've seen the last of this guy when the preseason ends.
rockaction
Footballguy
Boy, wouldn't that be something else. Getting anything productive out of Becton this year would have to be considered a huge win. A gift you don't return. Let's see it.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Boyle can manage a game and maybe go 2-1 if needed. I think the team is completely sunk if Wilson is out there.
rockaction
Footballguy
Watching these past two games, Zach has looked just as good as Boyle. Boyle looks awful. Better pray for Rodgers's health this year.
Conroy
Footballguy
Yeah, maybe "little" wasn't the word; that was the highlight of the game for me. I just meant because he didn't seem to play that much and the TV doesn't make it easy to focus on RT
rockaction
Footballguy
I think it's so fitting that we have a prima donna right tackle. I wondered when offensive linemen were going to start being divas.
So important to the team if he's able to play like that. Good pass pro. Road grade run blocks.
And all the Jets in the front office know it, too. How to get through to this guy? Maybe the contract year does it for us.
So important to the team if he's able to play like that. Good pass pro. Road grade run blocks.
And all the Jets in the front office know it, too. How to get through to this guy? Maybe the contract year does it for us.
TLEF316
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Some of the commentary is a little over the top, but he really is a potential game changer
I know it was against backups, but he does things that most guys just don't do. He's absurdly strong. Nfl players (even training camp fodder) just don't get moved like that very often
Running behind a healthy Becton and AVT on the right side. I'm not sure there's too many people that can stop that
Kiddnets
Footballguy
The Rodgers quote about him playing for a few years and then handing it over to Zach is more than just a throw away quote. I truly believe this was the plan and a huge factor in going after Rodgers. Everyone should prepare for Zach to be the backup for this year and likely next.
It will be interesting to see what happens if Rodgers stays for a 3rd yr after Zach's contract is up - as well as the expected outcry if Zach takes the field in an important spot in the future let alone as a starter. All we can hope is that the time he spends behind Rodgers somehow turns the light on that we have yet to see but I think its clear that JD would love to somehow fix his greatest whiff.
It will be interesting to see what happens if Rodgers stays for a 3rd yr after Zach's contract is up - as well as the expected outcry if Zach takes the field in an important spot in the future let alone as a starter. All we can hope is that the time he spends behind Rodgers somehow turns the light on that we have yet to see but I think its clear that JD would love to somehow fix his greatest whiff.
TLEF316
Footballguy
I just dont see it. I think its all just coach/GM speak trying to get SOMEONE to give them SOMETHING for him next off-season. Just have to hope a team with no QB solution is willing to take a flyer on him.
The timing just doesn't make any sense. If Rodgers plays 2 years and retires are they gonna hand the reins back over to Zach. And if so, what kind of contract would they give him?
I gotta think he'd want a fresh start somewhere else. He knows he'll be booed into the dirt the first time he screws up and I think he's too mentally soft to bounce back from that.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Except it wasnt the GM or coach it was Rodgers - and what Rodgers wants he usually gets or is in the know....obviously Zach has to do his part and develop in the next year but I could see a 2 yr run by Rodgers followed by Zach getting a prove it deal if he shows enough. Again - Im not a fan of this and think hes toast but I really think this is the plan.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
That’s only an option if Zach starts showing something though. He’s fine as a backup since most teams would be sunk if their starter went down.
I’m not really going to worry about it at this point - that’s a long way off.
TLEF316
Footballguy
Loved this from Rodgers....
"I like Mekhi a lot. He's a guy that, like all of us — we want to feel like we belong. We want to feel like we're part of this thing, part of the group. Whether by his own doing or just the way things fell he might not have felt that way. And that's normal. When you're on injured reserve, and I've been a couple times, it's a tough place to be. You feel isolated from the team, you're not traveling as much, you're not in the meetings. So I think it's been a conscious effort by all of us to make him feel like he's part of this thing." "He's so talented, he's humongous and he's athletic for a man who is 6-8, 350. I'm excited about seeing him out there. He's a big teddy bear on the inside. I'm enjoying getting to know him. He's a fierce competitor on the field and I'm excited about having him out there."
Obviously the fan base (myself included) have been really hard on Becton. And maybe rightfully so. And he didn't do himself any favors with some of the stuff he did and said. But this is GREAT leadership. He knows having 77 healthy and fully bought in would play a HUGE part in getting them where they want to go. And he's going out of his way to embrace him and keep him engaged (Becton mentioned they had lunch the other day and are gonna make that a continuing thing going forward)
Obviously that big body needs to hold up. But if it does, I like where this is trending.
"I like Mekhi a lot. He's a guy that, like all of us — we want to feel like we belong. We want to feel like we're part of this thing, part of the group. Whether by his own doing or just the way things fell he might not have felt that way. And that's normal. When you're on injured reserve, and I've been a couple times, it's a tough place to be. You feel isolated from the team, you're not traveling as much, you're not in the meetings. So I think it's been a conscious effort by all of us to make him feel like he's part of this thing." "He's so talented, he's humongous and he's athletic for a man who is 6-8, 350. I'm excited about seeing him out there. He's a big teddy bear on the inside. I'm enjoying getting to know him. He's a fierce competitor on the field and I'm excited about having him out there."
Obviously the fan base (myself included) have been really hard on Becton. And maybe rightfully so. And he didn't do himself any favors with some of the stuff he did and said. But this is GREAT leadership. He knows having 77 healthy and fully bought in would play a HUGE part in getting them where they want to go. And he's going out of his way to embrace him and keep him engaged (Becton mentioned they had lunch the other day and are gonna make that a continuing thing going forward)
Obviously that big body needs to hold up. But if it does, I like where this is trending.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I know when players go to a new team they start off on their best behavior but Rodgers has been anything but a diva so far. It’s been fun. Let’s hope if carries over into the season.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
or maybe they knew he was having issues....I think his salary is removed from the cap. All bonuses accelerate but there wasnt any due and all his $ was not guaranteed. So I would think they add his base of $10M to their cap and it can roll over for next year if they are under.
Just checked overthecap - they already removed his contract and put in $666K of dead cap money.
TLEF316
Footballguy
I mean....the rollover is nice
But if they knew he wasn't gonna play, maybe they could have gone after another WR (as opposed to now having old man Cobb as wr4)
Can't leave 10M in your wallet in a "go for it" year.
Like that one of the young guys will get an opportunity, but Davis was a solid very they really could have used.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
They can add guys after cuts. There should be a few useful WRs on the market. Of course that doesn’t negate your main point. Even Hopkins may have been in consideration if Davis money was available.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I do think the Jets plan to run that ball and rely on defense and for Rodgers to be there when they need him. Davis isn’t a huge loss but they should be on the lookout to add some one to play over Cobb. May also mean more passing to Cook and Hall.
zamboni
Footballguy
Davis’s loss is as a great downfield blocker, which isn’t insignificant. I think Lazard is pretty good there though as well. Sure wish things hadn’t imploded with Elijah Moore - imagine how even more dynamic the offense would be.
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rockaction
Footballguy
This is a championship team. Their only weaknesses are their offensive line and WR depth. We knew that but if Becton is healthy and plays like he has in the preseason, it becomes an average line. The only weakness then is WR depth.
But their defensive line is so dominant it's scary. And their secondary is awesome.
Just the best team I've seen from the Jets since the Jets from the AFC Championship appearances (and they're probably better). The only team I can think of that was better (and this is maybe) was the Jets team that year of Testaverde.
We've never had a quarterback like this. Ever.
But their defensive line is so dominant it's scary. And their secondary is awesome.
Just the best team I've seen from the Jets since the Jets from the AFC Championship appearances (and they're probably better). The only team I can think of that was better (and this is maybe) was the Jets team that year of Testaverde.
We've never had a quarterback like this. Ever.
rockaction
Footballguy
News flash: Zach Wilson is still terrible. Let's all solemnly pray for Rodgers's health.
rockaction
Footballguy
I will say that Zach Wilson is looking really athletic this year. And that Zonovan Knight is probably a better runner of the football than Michael Carter. Will that be enough? Will Abanikanda start the year on PUP with that contusion?
We'll find out.
We'll find out.
zamboni
Footballguy
Carter has really regressed ever since they drafted Breece. Ran hard and had good vision as a rook - not sure what happened.
rockaction
Footballguy
Injuries and the day-in, day-out beating you take in the pros as an RB.
He's small, don't forget. He's like 5'8" and barely 200.
I was never up on him, even when it seemed he was doing well. I looked at his draft capital, his performance, and other things like coachspeak, and knew the Jets' brass were going to go looking in another direction. I knew when the Jets traded with Houston exactly who they were taking. They leapfrogged another RB-needy team to go get Breece.
eta* I mean, he's small and ran a 4.59 with a low burst score (broad and vert jumps that measure explosiveness). He wasn't long for a prime position in the NFL.
eta* edit: I had "QB-needy" written there originally, but I meant RB. Houston did need a QB, but that's not what I was thinking. They drafted Dameon Pierce (RB) in the 4th that year.
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TLEF316
Footballguy
IMO, you give up what you need to go get Mike Evans.
They need another big receiver with Davis gone and they have the cap space to do it. Obviously they can't trade their 1st or 2nd rounder this year but if a 3 (or next year's 2) and another pick gets it done....you do it and dont look back. He misses a couple of games every year but he's still VERY productive.
Of course the question becomes....do you sign him to the multi-year extension that he wants? Seems like he wants like a 3/60 kind of deal. That's not an easy call but its not terrible if you can sync up the timing to stop paying him when its time to pay Garrett.
They need another big receiver with Davis gone and they have the cap space to do it. Obviously they can't trade their 1st or 2nd rounder this year but if a 3 (or next year's 2) and another pick gets it done....you do it and dont look back. He misses a couple of games every year but he's still VERY productive.
Of course the question becomes....do you sign him to the multi-year extension that he wants? Seems like he wants like a 3/60 kind of deal. That's not an easy call but its not terrible if you can sync up the timing to stop paying him when its time to pay Garrett.
socrates
Footballguy
I would not invest heavily in any 30-year-old receiver. The Jets already have a big-bodied receiver in Allen Lazard.
TLEF316
Footballguy
Meh, I'd rather have a 30 year old (or 31 or 32) proven pro-bowl talent (even if he's slightly below that level now) than a 27 year old that has really never been anything but slightly above average (at best)
Looking around the league, Lazard is a middle of the pack Wr2. Evans would be one of the best. IMO, its a significant upgrade in a win-now season.
socrates
Footballguy
I agree that the Jets are in a win-now window, and Evans would be a significant upgrade over Lazard, but how much are you willing to mortgage the future for a 30-year-old receiver when you already have an elite receiver in Garrett?
EDIT TO ADD: Even though the Jets are in win-now mode, they have a young roster, aside from Rodgers.
TLEF316
Footballguy
While many/most of their key players are young and on their rookie deals, the reality in the NFL is that if you dont have a QB....you dont have a chance. So their window is tied directly to Rodgers....who is obviously old.
If you're talking about draft pick compensation....how much can Tampa really expect to get back? He's gonna walk after this year and they're rebuilding.
They Jets can't trade their first or 2nd rounders. Does something like a 3 and a 5 get it done? If so, as a Jets fan, I take that and dont look back. Mid round picks are nice and can be the cheap back-bone of your team if you use them well. But the Jets historically haven't. Looking at their starters and key rotational pieces, there's only 2 guys on there that the Jets drafted in the 3rd-5th rounds (linebacker Jamien sherwood and Nickleback Michael Carter II). Everyone else was an early round pick, a trade or a FA signing. (with a few late rounders and UDFA's sprinkled in) So I have no problem giving up 2 mid-rounders for a difference maker, which Evans still is.
If you're talking about the contract....that doesn't really concern me. Again....their window is tied to Rodgers (Who will be there 2 or maybe 3 years). So if you have to sign Evans to a reasonably expensive 3 year deal, you do it. Pay him until its time to pay G. Wilson. And the reality is that even if the contract says "3 years for 60M" there's always ways to re-structure or get out of most of the $$ a couple of years down the road without crippling the team long term. Maybe you have to eat some dead cap money, but who cares?
Now that Q got paid, they have some runway before they have to make any more big investments. Becton will be a challenging negotiation after the season (if he somehow stays healthy and productive all year) but after that......there's not much to do for at least 2 years. (although they SHOULD try to keep Huff next Spring, some team will likely pay him big $$ for his potential. And I think the Jets drafted McDonald because they know they're probably going to lose him)
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maxwell1295
Footballguy
About the picks...
If Evans walks, Tampa would get a 5th rounder as a compensatory pick. My guess is that they'd gladly take a 3rd rounder as opposed to letting him walk for nothing. They may wait until we're closer to the deadline, but may be willing to move him earlier for the right price. I don't anticipate them holding on for long since they're not projected to be very competitive this year.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Good luck tonight Jets fans!!!
I believe I am retiring from the Shark Pool so if anyone wants to start up a new thread in order to make title changes, please feel free to do so.
This forum has become hot garbage - there's no more exchange of ideas, just trolling and "gotcha bombs" and snark and some truly moronic takes. There's no reason to get caught up in such a tremendous time-suck when it's no longer enjoyable.
- I still love you guys and will still be in the FFA music threads - one of the few places where humanity, class, politeness and comradery still happens at this place.
I believe I am retiring from the Shark Pool so if anyone wants to start up a new thread in order to make title changes, please feel free to do so.
This forum has become hot garbage - there's no more exchange of ideas, just trolling and "gotcha bombs" and snark and some truly moronic takes. There's no reason to get caught up in such a tremendous time-suck when it's no longer enjoyable.
- I still love you guys and will still be in the FFA music threads - one of the few places where humanity, class, politeness and comradery still happens at this place.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Heading out to tailgate early - hoping this is the start of a great run!Good luck tonight Jets fans!!!
I believe I am retiring from the Shark Pool so if anyone wants to start up a new thread in order to make title changes, please feel free to do so.
This forum has become hot garbage - there's no more exchange of ideas, just trolling and "gotcha bombs" and snark and some truly moronic takes. There's no reason to get caught up in such a tremendous time-suck when it's no longer enjoyable.
Sorry to hear that Doc - maybe you would consider the lone exemption on shark pool for this thread? For the most part this thread has been an island of humanity with solid posters and very good Jets banter. Would hate to lose your insight here especially with what I hope to be a fun season for once! You made it through Bowles, Gase, Zach Wilson seasons so you can make it through anything! lol
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Sure, I can pop in here from time to time. I’ll bookmark this thread directly so I don’t need to step in the **** in the cesspool.Heading out to tailgate early - hoping this is the start of a great run!Good luck tonight Jets fans!!!
I believe I am retiring from the Shark Pool so if anyone wants to start up a new thread in order to make title changes, please feel free to do so.
This forum has become hot garbage - there's no more exchange of ideas, just trolling and "gotcha bombs" and snark and some truly moronic takes. There's no reason to get caught up in such a tremendous time-suck when it's no longer enjoyable.
Sorry to hear that Doc - maybe you would consider the lone exemption on shark pool for this thread? For the most part this thread has been an island of humanity with solid posters and very good Jets banter. Would hate to lose your insight here especially with what I hope to be a fun season for once! You made it through Bowles, Gase, Zach Wilson seasons so you can make it through anything! lol
TLEF316
Footballguy
Obviously very excited about tonight.
Watching that Dallas pass-rush last night didnt give me warm feelings about next week (have a feeling that Becton is gonna get abused by Parsons and their other speed rushers) but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.
Also need the Jets D to have a big night to win in fantasy, so I'm all in baby!!!
Watching that Dallas pass-rush last night didnt give me warm feelings about next week (have a feeling that Becton is gonna get abused by Parsons and their other speed rushers) but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.
Also need the Jets D to have a big night to win in fantasy, so I'm all in baby!!!
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
After suffering through the last 11 years, this is not the time to step away from the Jets thread... please chip in now an again always look forward to your posts, here and the shark pool... maybe take a break for a bit... I stepped away for about 18mos myself... and only chime in here or there...Good luck tonight Jets fans!!!
I believe I am retiring from the Shark Pool so if anyone wants to start up a new thread in order to make title changes, please feel free to do so.
This forum has become hot garbage - there's no more exchange of ideas, just trolling and "gotcha bombs" and snark and some truly moronic takes. There's no reason to get caught up in such a tremendous time-suck when it's no longer enjoyable.
TLEF316
Footballguy
Yeah, there are obviously certain threads (both here and the FFA) that are best avoided. Even if they're topics I'd like discuss, some of the folks in there are just not fun to talk to (lots of "gotcha", as you say...). So, I just avoid them. The moderation issues that almost drove me away from this place last year are another thing, but whatever. I've accepted this place isn't as fun as it used to be, but it can still be a decent place to chat and occasionally learn something.
Bottom line....participate where you want, avoid the threads that you know will just be unproductive blabbing. Not worth getting aggravated over a message board. We're all too old for that nonsense (at least I know I am)
Bottom line....participate where you want, avoid the threads that you know will just be unproductive blabbing. Not worth getting aggravated over a message board. We're all too old for that nonsense (at least I know I am)
Power-O
Footballguy
Been a long time since i have been excited to watch em… the rex ryan saga was the last hurra… i hope this team can finally throw some haymakers on offense.. even in the rex era when they faced a team with a solid defense like ravens they always crumbled.. my big concern is the receivers outside of wilson.. this could go really bad IMO.. lazard to me is nothing special.. never impressed me in GB.. hardman in the slot? If KC couldnt do much more than gadget plays and felt that keeping skyy moore was a better way to go then… 
maybe conklin steps up this season? Hoping for the best but I can see this game being a low scoring hot mess..
maybe conklin steps up this season? Hoping for the best but I can see this game being a low scoring hot mess..
TLEF316
Footballguy
Honestly dont think anybody knows. I would THINK 50/50 split (as they dont want to push Hall too much) but there's just no way to know. We have no idea what the offense is going to look like at this point.
I'm starting Hall in a league tonight and need some production, but I'd be surprised if either he or Cook gets more than 10-12 carries. I think they're gonna ease both of them in and let Carter make up the gap for whatever they can't handle quite yet.
That being said, its a huge game and they want to make a statement. So if Hall comes out and starts ripping 6 yards a carry.....who knows.
rockaction
Footballguy
Bumping.
I haven't been this amped for a Jets game since Vinny Testaverde played for them.
Let us all pray for Rodgers's health.
I haven't been this amped for a Jets game since Vinny Testaverde played for them.
Let us all pray for Rodgers's health.
rockaction
Footballguy
Bad day for the SP, Dr. Octopus. You'll be missed. :(
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