2023 New York Jets (2 Viewers)

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

Talk to me about the state of the Jets D. Pretty highly ranked overall in terms of fantasy points for the year, but mostly came from one or two big games.

Jets have a juicy schedule through most of ROS, so it's tempting, but is this a D you can depend on, fantasy-wise, talent-wise, and otherwise?

 

[NYRAGE]

Talk to me about the state of the Jets D. Pretty highly ranked overall in terms of fantasy points for the year, but mostly came from one or two big games.

Jets have a juicy schedule through most of ROS, so it's tempting, but is this a D you can depend on, fantasy-wise, talent-wise, and otherwise?

Well they've been pretty good considering a rookie-led offense that doesn't always move the ball well and makes the occasional turnover.

They got blown out against Jacksonville. Their DC had an odd defense that got them killed with crossing routes and intermediate passes. 

They gave up 34 points against Indy, but I feel as though a lot of that was the Jets having a big lead and playing prevent for the most part in the second half.

The Jets have no pass rushers, but in 2-3 games had a fierce pass rush. Oddly, without a pass rush, they have been getting a ton of turnovers. Apparently, the coaching staff feels that in today's NFL, the rules are against the defense  and you're going to give up yards, so they have been preaching turnovers. It's just odd to see us get INTs. We're not used to that except on the other teams.

Keep in mind that for most of the season, our stud CB has been either out for the whole game or injured in-game. Plus our nickle CB has been out quite a bit. Oh, and they have been missing their safety for most of the season and even the back-up got hurt. They've done pretty well despite missing these players (and the pass rush).

As far as talent, well, you've got Leonard Williams. He's a really good lineman often facing double or triple teams. Jamal Adams has had a breakthrough Pro Bowl season in his second year. Trumaine Johnson has been hurt for most of the year. That's it for the really good players. 

Claiborne has been pretty good and often forced to play the top CB spot because of Johnson. Skrine isn't very good, but has his moments as the slot CB. He's been hurt. Maye the second rounder for last year has been hurt most of the season.

Henry Anderson, a d-lineman whom they acquired from the Colts for a 7th rounder, has been very good in our system. 

LB: um. Well, Darron Lee has had his moments, but I think he looks lost at times, too. Our MLB, Avery WIlliamson is a good tackler, but lost in space. Jenkins sets the edge, but is a jag. This kid Copeland show some potential these past couple of games.

Their secondary is really good when healthy. The D-line is fairly stout. The LBs are average to below average. No edge rusher.  They can't cover for crap. 

The defense seems to be getting healthier, so yeah, I'd roll with them in good matchups. Not so much against better teams that keep the offense pinned.

 

[oswizzle]

I just dropped them... they are nothing to write home about fantasy wise 

 

[The Kerminator]

Any insight from Jet's homers on Elijah McGuire? Do you see him taking over the Powell role instead of Cannon? Will he be more valuable than Crowell? Is he expected to play this week?

Desperate at RB this week with byes and injuries and tempted to take a gamble with McGuire over Barber

TIA

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Any insight from Jet's homers on Elijah McGuire? Do you see him taking over the Powell role instead of Cannon? Will he be more valuable than Crowell? Is he expected to play this week?

Desperate at RB this week with byes and injuries and tempted to take a gamble with McGuire over Barber

TIA

He was slated to have the third down role over Powell prior to his injury. It may take a week or two but he'll be part of the rotation with Crowell (in the Powell role). Cannon isn't very good.

The word is he'll be activated this week but it's hard to say how big his role would be this week. He has been practicing since last week though so it's possible he'll be throw right in.

 

[Kiddnets]

Agree with most of whats said here......

Watching a Bowles team is like groundhogs day.....come out flat...conservative game plan.....dumb penalties....now he even sounds like Kotite saying they played "hard"......when is this team going to be judged on wins and losses after 4 yrs.....I know Sam is a rook but there is always an excuse

OL - I just dont understand.....you knew a QB was commin whether a rook or Cousins...either way how does Mac not go all in on protecting that key investment....last time the Jets were any good they drafted Brick and Magold in 1st rd....not a coincidence...most of my rooting is for Sam to not get hurt...OL is #1 priority

skill weapons - for yrs not one player that is a game breaker....I dont want to spend the $ on Bell but they must have someone to take the heat of Sam and give him a go to stud....

Def - can win as is with better discipline, coaching and adding a decent pass rusher

FA - lots of $ but after resigning some players Williams, Enunwam, Carpenter looking at maybe $80M...I dont see any stud OL in FA so will likely overpay for some mediocre ones....with whats available I grab Bell, best pass rusher and OL

Draft - OL OL OL.....1st rd best LT prospect...should be top 10....with 2 3rd rders grab 2 more....there is a reason these guys dont hit FA...

Mac - gets another yr by defaul with Sam

Bowles - gone

Miami this week - they have had their number but I think Jets pull this one out

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Agree with most of whats said here......

Watching a Bowles team is like groundhogs day.....come out flat...conservative game plan.....dumb penalties....now he even sounds like Kotite saying they played "hard"......when is this team going to be judged on wins and losses after 4 yrs.....I know Sam is a rook but there is always an excuse

OL - I just dont understand.....you knew a QB was commin whether a rook or Cousins...either way how does Mac not go all in on protecting that key investment....last time the Jets were any good they drafted Brick and Magold in 1st rd....not a coincidence...most of my rooting is for Sam to not get hurt...OL is #1 priority

skill weapons - for yrs not one player that is a game breaker....I dont want to spend the $ on Bell but they must have someone to take the heat of Sam and give him a go to stud....

Def - can win as is with better discipline, coaching and adding a decent pass rusher

FA - lots of $ but after resigning some players Williams, Enunwam, Carpenter looking at maybe $80M...I dont see any stud OL in FA so will likely overpay for some mediocre ones....with whats available I grab Bell, best pass rusher and OL

Draft - OL OL OL.....1st rd best LT prospect...should be top 10....with 2 3rd rders grab 2 more....there is a reason these guys dont hit FA...

Mac - gets another yr by defaul with Sam

Bowles - gone

Miami this week - they have had their number but I think Jets pull this one out

It's nice to have a ton of cap space but as you allude to you're basically spending it on guys that were allowed to walk away by their current teams. It's almost impossible to build an o-line through free agency because the good ones are locked up by their teams. Hopefully Mac will finally use some draft capital there.

I believe the best free agent WR will be Golden Tate - so once again free agency isn't necessarily the answer there either.

I am not a fan of overspending on Bell either but it may be the only way the Jets get a dominating offensive player to help Sam out. They may need to bite that bullet.

 

[NYRAGE]

Any insight from Jet's homers on Elijah McGuire? Do you see him taking over the Powell role instead of Cannon? Will he be more valuable than Crowell? Is he expected to play this week?

Desperate at RB this week with byes and injuries and tempted to take a gamble with McGuire over Barber

TIA

I wrote quite a bit in the McGuire and Cannon threads. Basically, I expect McGuire to rotate into the Powell role, but maybe 35-40% of the snaps instead of Powell's 45-50%.  Definitely playing over Cannon who should get about 15% of the snaps going forward.

Barber should play about 70% of the snaps for TB with Jones out.

 

[NYRAGE]

McGuire activated

 

[NYRAGE]

Shoot Long, McCags, and Bowles into the sun in a package deal. Plus we're helping the environment with just one rocket's worth of carbon emission.

 

[TLEF316]

Obviously still year 1 (with a bad coach, bad line and banged  up weapons) but sam has been really bad a lot recently

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I'm not going to over-react to this one game. I've seen enough glimpses to have faith in Sam but that was an ugly performance and being a Jets' fan has conditioned me to allow some doubts to creep in.

I'm amazed that Bowles can watch Spencer Long make bad snap after bad snap and didn't either 1. replace him or 2. Put Darnold under center instead of in the shot gun. His lack of adjustments hit a new low this week.

 

[Kiddnets]

It's over Johnny

Whatever delusions of a playoff run are over....and hopefully any hope of Bowles surviving the season.....that was a pathetic performance from the offense and coaching staff and as even apologists are getting on board.....I'd actually like CJ to have some guts and fire him today...let Bates take over in the small chance that his abysmal offense is being controlled by Bowles conservative bland coaching.....I havent seen an OC this bland since Schottie....but I have a feeling he has orders from above....

QB - scary stuff from Sam...was expecting games like this and he had zero help from OL - I mean couldnt even get a snap; WRs who looked disinterested and RBs without anywhere to run....but this is the 1st time he looked like Sanchez...he should have had 6-7 picks....I'm banking that he learns from it...Peyton led league in INTs his rookie yr so just let him play through it but open up the playbook...this O is so simple Im calling those WR screens before they happen from my couch...hell if Bates does have autonomy and is this crappy then fire them both nad let McCown call the damn plays!  

Coaching - Game over on Bowles - when your coach is being openly mocked on the telecast its over....how he could leave Long in there throwing balls around like Nuke in Bull Durham is frightening....then he says he only took him out because he was reinjured?  It literally cost them the game and is beyond poor coaching.....this guy is sounding more like Kotite every year and he is not only stalling Sam's development but hurting it.....

So heres reality - 3-5 with 2 winnable games on the schedule vs Buffalo and Im sure the Bills are circling the same dates as wins in their schedule so who knows.....this is looking more and more like another 5 or 6 win season....while Johnson said the staff wont be judged on losses even he has to see that its over....show some guts unlike Woody and make the move now to show the fans this losing will not be accepted.....bench guys that look like they dont care...yes Kearse Im looking at you.....

As for Mac - I now think he has to go too....Bowles is gone and I HATE this reporting structure...the coach should be picked and report to the GM not owner....this set up is dysfunctional and must be wiped....you cant fire Bowles, keep MAc and then fire him next yr after hiring a new coach so while he may not deserve it I am now at clean slate and fire em both.  Besides making obvious fall in your lap 1st rd picks and a nice trade up that he had to do....MAc has been underwhelming....Offense ignored as usual and it needs to stop....watching the Saints/Rams game looked like another sport....this slow moving defensive led ground and pound game is dead....even teams like the Steelers who loved to grind in the past are keeping up with the times with a big time O.....nuke it all and start fresh....$100M...top 10 pick...franchise QB set....ideal landing spot for a new regime. 

Let's see if Chris is a same ol Johnson or not!  

 

[JetMaxx]

Dynasty insight on Herndon from Jets homers?

 

[Gottabesweet]

At least you get to watch your rookie QB throw picks. We get to watch our crappy 5th round 2nd year guy throw picks.

 

[Kiddnets]

Dynasty insight on Herndon from Jets homers?

I really like the kid...he stood out from training camp...good hands and route running....also good chemistry with Sam (they roomed together in TC).....he should be a focal point of O but for some reason they are in love with Sterling and Leggett gets too much play....a new offensive regime would be huge for Herndon...I like him as a lower level TE with upside in a waste land of a position.  

 

[NYRAGE]

Bowles is a moron. I've been saying this for 4 years.  Totally clueless and overwhelmed. Get him out before next season.

McCags and his lack of addressing the o-line is killing us.

Darnold did not look good yesterday, but 1) he was pressured a lot and 2) those snaps destroyed his timing, put him in bad position after another just trying to catch the snap.  How the *** was Long allowed to continuously butcher those snaps?  Bowles is a buffoon. McCags is a buffoon for providing the terrible resources.

I thought McGuire looked really good. Herndon had his moments. That's about the only positive I can say about the offense.

 

[Kiddnets]

The more I think about the Long bad snaps the angrier I get.....Sam is a 21 yr old rookie...has no OL and barely any weapons...he needs to be perfect....and Bowles leaves in a center who cant even get him the friggin ball.....think about that....the kid has precious 3 seconds to drop back and scan the field before he needs to feel pressure to unload...those snaps took up half of that time at least and completely threw him off all game....he's gotta be thinking what do i do if the snap is low, high, to the side...its completely ridiculous and unreal that an NFL coach would leave Long in to risk the future of the franchise....it's an immediately terminable offense in my eyes and I really wish ownership had the stones to do it....

 

[Steve Tasker]

So heres reality - 3-5 with 2 winnable games on the schedule vs Buffalo and Im sure the Bills are circling the same dates as wins in their schedule so who knows.....

I can assure you that the Bills and their fans are not circling any of the remaining 7 games as expected wins.  I personally would be stunned if they won any of them, though every so often "any given Sunday" strikes, I suppose.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

As for Mac - I now think he has to go too....

I think because he landed Darnold they will keep him around but I agree that a clean sweep is the way to go. $90MM to spend, a top 10 pick and a franchise QB already in place makes this job very attractive. Like you said if they allow Mac to hire a new HC then it's going to be a mess to replace him while keeping that new HC in place.

 

[Kiddnets]

My concern with keeping Mac is it keeps alive this dysfunctional GM not picking the HC structure as IMO both will need to be on the same time table....

Also if you want the best HC out there start rooting for Dallas and Denver...if both are in the coaching mkt they are widely viewed as very desirable jobs....

 

[NYRAGE]

Darnold spotted in a walking boot. Wut?

 

[NYRAGE]

Looks like he is out this week. Week to week. Allegedly a significant foot sprain. 

 

[Gottabesweet]

Well I picked a great one to travel for.  Allen vs. Darnold is now Anderson vs. McCown.

 

[Deamon]

Well I picked a great one to travel for.  Allen vs. Darnold is now Anderson vs. McCown.

Allen might actually play.

 

[Deamon]

Do the Jets still win this game if its mccown vs allen?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Do the Jets still win this game if its mccown vs allen?

They may be more likely to win.

McCown played pretty well last season.

 

[NYRAGE]

Do the Jets still win this game if its mccown vs allen?

It probably give the Jets a better chance to win. 

 

[SoBeDad]

They may be more likely to win.

McCown played pretty well last season.

Everyone gets an upgrade, even the RBs.

 

[Gottabesweet]

Allen might actually play.

I doubt it, he's getting first team reps today and throwing but he just started.  I bet they are safe with a bye next week.  Start him at home 11/25 vs the Jags.

They waiting on Anderson to clear protocol, likely tomorrow or Friday, it's been over a week.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Looks like he is out this week. Week to week. Allegedly a significant foot sprain. 

I wonder if this is an injury or an "injury" - a mental health week to give him a little rest before the second half of the season.

I almost feel like there's no reason to even watch the game this week with Sam out - at this point it doesn't really matter if they win or lose.

 

[NYRAGE]

I wonder if this is an injury or an "injury" - a mental health week to give him a little rest before the second half of the season.

I almost feel like there's no reason to even watch the game this week with Sam out - at this point it doesn't really matter if they win or lose.

Boy, have you already forgotten how to tank?  Oh wait, I shouldn't use that word.  Besides, you would watch even if Hackenberg was the QB. 

 

[Kiddnets]

so if this is an "injury" which is really a mental health break - fine.....if he really is injured then Bowles has officially crossed the line from awful coach to dangerous one....leaving Long in definitely contributed to any injury and that is inexcusable.  

 

[TZMarkie]

They may be more likely to win.

McCown played pretty well last season.

 Liked* , because your thread re titling is pretty epic.

(MCCOWN vs. ANDERSON)   I'm a big Josh McCown fan. 

 TZM

 

[Gottabesweet]

very cool, buddies dad is attending his 400th straight game home and away this weekend.  Jets heard about it and offering field-passes. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Boy, have you already forgotten how to tank?  Oh wait, I shouldn't use that word.  Besides, you would watch even if Hackenberg was the QB. 

It’s looks like this game is going to be blacked out in our market. So I guess I won’t be watching.

 

[GroveDiesel]

FWIW, I think that Allen and...gulp...even Barkley have better chances of starting than Anderson or Peterman.

 

[NYRAGE]

FWIW, I think that Allen and...gulp...even Barkley have better chances of starting than Anderson or Peterman.

Barkley it is.  I can't wait for this scintillating game. 

 

[travdogg]

Why was Morton canned again? The offense greatly exceeded expectations in 2017, and surely that couldn't have all been from McCown starting. If I recall there was some internal disagreements but am I forgetting something?

 

[Angry spiders]

need to update the thread title

 

[NYRAGE]

Why was Morton canned again? The offense greatly exceeded expectations in 2017, and surely that couldn't have all been from McCown starting. If I recall there was some internal disagreements but am I forgetting something?

Allegedly he was too pass happy for Bowles I believe, so there was a lot of friction behind the scenes

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Unfortunately the game was not blacked out.

if half the stadium leaves at halftime any chance they blackout the second half?

 

[NYRAGE]

Fire this clown at the half

 

[Mystery Achiever]

And Barkley has only been on the roster 12 days.

 

[TLEF316]

Yeah, bowles needs to be done. 

Don't think it's gonna happen though

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I left the house at halftime to take the dogs to the park. It was too nice of a day for that crap.

 

[NYRAGE]

Yeah, bowles needs to be done. 

Don't think it's gonna happen though

Not this week, but we can only hope at the end of the season.

 

[Kiddnets]

Earliest game I left since I can remember......it's one thing to get crushed....it's another to get crushed by one of the worst teams in the NFL starting a QB from off the couch 2 weeks ago....the team has regressed and is completely over matched.  I'm not a huge fan of firing coaches in season but this one is warranted.  A message needs to be sent....

Bowles is now gone - just a matter of when....turning my fury to Mac now....this team is devoid of NFL talent and he takes the hit there.....way too many draft whiffs....FAs besides Williams are terrrible (did it seem like T Johnson was jogging out there without a care?) - thx for trading up for Darnold Mac....now it's time to completely clean house....no way I hand the keys to $100M and another top 5 pick to him....cleaning out both will attract a better pool of candidates and can finally stop that stupid reporting structure where the GM has no power of the HC.  

The Kotite days are back....looking at 3 consecutive seasons of horrific records of 5 wins or under....and you cant blame this train wreck on the rookie QB......time to blow it all up.  

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Earliest game I left since I can remember......it's one thing to get crushed....it's another to get crushed by one of the worst teams in the NFL starting a QB from off the couch 2 weeks ago....the team has regressed and is completely over matched.  I'm not a huge fan of firing coaches in season but this one is warranted.  A message needs to be sent....

Bowles is now gone - just a matter of when....turning my fury to Mac now....this team is devoid of NFL talent and he takes the hit there.....way too many draft whiffs....FAs besides Williams are terrrible (did it seem like T Johnson was jogging out there without a care?) - thx for trading up for Darnold Mac....now it's time to completely clean house....no way I hand the keys to $100M and another top 5 pick to him....cleaning out both will attract a better pool of candidates and can finally stop that stupid reporting structure where the GM has no power of the HC.  

The Kotite days are back....looking at 3 consecutive seasons of horrific records of 5 wins or under....and you cant blame this train wreck on the rookie QB......time to blow it all up.  

I agree they should fire both - but I just don’t think they fire Mac. At this point I also agree, just get rid of Bowles now. Why keep Dead Man Walking around?

And you’re correct that clearing both spots helps attract better candidates- but they’ll be shortsighted there and keep Mac because he landed Darnold.

How many WRs/TEs has this team drafted in the last five years with nothing really to show for it? 

 

[NYRAGE]

I've been a Jets fan since age 4. That's 47 years of torture and torment. Not much goes right for this team. I could easily see this clown getting another season. I don't think I know more about running a football team than professionals, but holy hell, could no on else outside of this forum see that Bowles has been over his head for years? Did it really take the past couple of weeks?