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just a real bad loss....some immediate thoughts

QB - Sam played really bad IMO...I was hoping seeing Baker wreck it would get him fired up but he still played lousy even after.....obviously this is why Cleveland went with Baker - he has fire...Sam more laid back...hamstrung by lousy playcalling and bad passes....reflection of his coach?  He's a rook and gonna have growing pains but I'd be lying if I didnt say Im a bit concerned.  

RBs: Running at will and Bates seemed to move away from it - - Crowell is an idiot and fired up the crowd....not a fan of this guy

WRs: besides Quincy rest stunk.....Anderson a shell of last yr and with his awful baggage im close to cutting bait...this team needs a stud playmaker on O in offseason. 

Def - tale of 2 halfs - 1st half world beaters and awful 2d half.....terrible penalties and let Baker run wild....T Johnson really let me down tongiht

Coaches - terrible - just awful - let game slip away...seemed unprepared for Baker....bad penalties....bad playcalling...bad matchups...Bowles cant be gone quick enough...Bates not impressive......

long week and a half to regroup....season could slip away....

 
They are not beating the Jags in a week and a half.

I’d suspend Crowell one game and tell Robbie Anderson to hit the weight room.

Sam looked terrible but he was mostly under heavy pressure, but looked bad even when he wasn’t. Accuracy was way off. I haven’t lost faith in him yet because I saw too many good things in the past but that was disappointing.

 
Baker looked like the number one overall pick and Sam looked every bit the part of a rookie. 

It was bad to watch, and depressing. Too much went wrong once Mayfield came in the game. The Browns were just the better team overall.  At least the D looked good when Tyrod was in the game, but other than that, it was not a thing of beauty. 

I wouldn't suspend Crowell, but what was he thinking? Same with Johnson. That extended a drive by four minutes or so and cost them field position in a big way.  

 
That was a demoralizing loss. It doesn't matter that it was Cleveland's first win in a long time. None of that matters.

What matters is that once again the Jets made no adjustments and once again Bowles stands on the sidelines like a comatose clown doing nothing while his team loses composure. Great Todd, once again you admit that the fault is yours. Big deal, you won't fix anything.

That "celebration" from Crowell was inexcusable. He should have sat from that point on.  Do you think that happens in NE?

Johnson's penalties? Bowles needs to speak to him. Nickerson? Who the hell does this kid think he is? This rookie is a nobody in the NFL and he's taunting people. He gets a taunting play on his first snap in Detroit. I don't think he saw a play in the second game. Then he does it again last night? What a fool.  There is no discipline and accountability on this team, including at the top. How the hell are we ever going to take it to the next level with this coaching?

Anderson killed us with that fumble, too.

Bates hasn't been too great either. Just when things are working, he goes against it with trick plays. Anderson fumbles. Pryor runs bad routes. Kearse may be pretty average, but at least he's dependable. Give him the ball instead of Pryor. Plus, I understand that you want to protect the rookie in a hostile environment, but they were too conservative. So irritating.

Darnold was not good this week. Definitely his worst game. His o-line doesn't help either.

On the positive side, the pass rush has been great so far, completely out of the blue. Anderson was a great trade and totally fits this defense.

Some good pass rush schemes so far. Having Williamson cover Duke Johnson was probably not too wise though.

Adams has been incredible. He's young, but we might need him to hold people accountable on the defense because it doesn't look like his coach will.

 
Yeah, Sam was bad last night. Not much more to say. Poor decisions, poor throws. Obviously we didn't see the the all-22 film, so who knows if anyone was open downfield, but it wasn't good. Just 1 real bad one though. Not jumping ship yet..

Baker was obviously amazing. I wasn't a fan, but since we didnt have a chance to draft him anyway, I'm not gonna lose sleep.

Johnson and Nickerson are absolute morons. Same with Crowell. Just selfish LOOK AT ME nonsense that cost the Jets big time.

Anderson is a 1 route #####. Combine that with the off the field stuff and I hope he's gone after this year.

O-line is still pretty bad. Gotta be addressed.

Bowles is still useless. Clown

Bates gets way too cute with stuff. You've got a rookie QB on the road in a hostile environment. Just keep the team on schedule and set up managble 3rd downs.  Of course, some of that not happening was pre-snap penalties (which are still inexcusable)

They're not making the playoffs this year. That much seems pretty clear. Whatever.  I hope they clean house, because McCagnan cant draft (outside a top 6 pick) and Bowles cant coach.

 
That "celebration" from Crowell was inexcusable. He should have sat from that point on.  Do you think that happens in NE?

Johnson's penalties? Bowles needs to speak to him. Nickerson? Who the hell does this kid think he is? This rookie is a nobody in the NFL and he's taunting people. He gets a taunting play on his first snap in Detroit. I don't think he saw a play in the second game. Then he does it again last night? What a fool.  There is no discipline and accountability on this team, including at the top. How the hell are we ever going to take it to the next level with this coaching?
Bowles tries to come across as a Belichick type by standing expressionless on the side line, but fails to command respect from his players.

That was the first thing I thought of as well when I saw Nickerson involved in the fight with Landry: Who does this kid think he is?

This has to be Bowles last season with this team and they better come up with some offensive minded coach that can find ways to move the ball.

 
You got a hell of a defense and I went back and watched every Darnold throw before last night's game, he's going to be good.

I did not think that the Browns stood a chance if Tyrod played as bad as he had in New Orleans, he didn't he played worse but enter Mayfield and that turned the game.

Sam is going to get better over the course of the year, you'll see.

 
You got a hell of a defense and I went back and watched every Darnold throw before last night's game, he's going to be good.

I did not think that the Browns stood a chance if Tyrod played as bad as he had in New Orleans, he didn't he played worse but enter Mayfield and that turned the game.

Sam is going to get better over the course of the year, you'll see.
And Mayfield looked every bit the part of #1 overall and you also have a stout defense. The Browns are -- dare I say it -- a pretty good football team with some weapons. Now imagine if they still had MOOD (Gordon) and Mayfield was throwing to him in addition to the other weapons he would have.  

I also really have always liked Carlos Hyde, including back to his early days when he looked better than Frank Gore as a rookie in SF.  

You should have a good offense, but they still need to address their special teams, as somebody pointed out in your thread. Kicker is still weak.  

 
. Now imagine if they still had MOOD (Gordon)
Tom and Bill can have him and I'm not joking.

Terrible effort, terrible route running, terrible team mate, terribly inconsistent.  

Now he's got to adhere to the 'Patriot Way'?

Honestly hope he turns his life around but he's got one person to blame for his career and it isn't poor QB play.

 
Tom and Bill can have him and I'm not joking.

Terrible effort, terrible route running, terrible team mate, terribly inconsistent.  

Now he's got to adhere to the 'Patriot Way'?

Honestly hope he turns his life around but he's got one person to blame for his career and it isn't poor QB play.
Ah, I see. I threw that in there because I'm a Gordon admirer and any time I get to type "MOOD" in all caps (his IG one day had a ripped Gordon with just one word -- "MOOD" -- on it. It was absurd and has become an in-joke in the Gordon threads). 

I totally take your point. He is a distraction. And he admittedly ran terrible routes at times. You could tell he wasn't always on the same page as his QB. Let's hope NE can get through to him.  

 
Bowles tries to come across as a Belichick type by standing expressionless on the side line, but fails to command respect from his players.
Is that what he's doing?

Finally the newspapers are catching up and giving Bowles hell today. Enough of that rhetoric that he got them to play hard last year. So what? They should play hard. They should also execute which they are not. Crowell, Johnson, Nickerson, etc.  There is no control and accountability.

https://nypost.com/2018/09/21/todd-bowles-to-blame-for-this-disaster-by-his-undisciplined-jets/

https://nypost.com/2018/09/21/the-quiet-reason-why-todd-bowles-jets-are-always-a-mess/

 
Brutal loss on so many levels.  All I took out of this game is Sam is 4 years younger than Baker and it showed, he has a lot of catching up to do.  It’s hard to be a young rookie in the NY market, this was a bad game and he’s gonna have more but I hope we continue to see him develop and move forward with developing.

The depressing part is this coaching staff... the mindless penalties and the conservative playcalling what the heck.  The Trumaine Johnson penalty was off the charts, cost us the momentum and the game imho.

 
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I'd post my thoughts, but much like our crappy on field product, it'd be the same damn thing over and over and over and over and over again.

Just Change The Regime.

 
Browns are a formidable team this year. They have boat loads of talent on both sides of the ball.

CLE will win several games this year. Not such a bad loss for the Jets.

 
Browns are a formidable team this year. They have boat loads of talent on both sides of the ball.

CLE will win several games this year. Not such a bad loss for the Jets.
It’s not a bad loss as far as losing to Cleveland. They are actually a good team and overall a better team. It’s more the way they lost. They played undisciplined and their offense was unimaginative.

I’d expect the Browns to beat the Jets maybe 7 or 8 games out of 10 but that could have been one of the wins for the Jets.

 
It’s not a bad loss as far as losing to Cleveland. They are actually a good team and overall a better team. It’s more the way they lost. They played undisciplined and their offense was unimaginative.

I’d expect the Browns to beat the Jets maybe 7 or 8 games out of 10 but that could have been one of the wins for the Jets.
With due respect, I think, with Taylor starting, we're 6-4 or 5-5 against the Browns. 

Mayfield made that much difference. And all the bad tendencies about A/YA with Darnold and the play calling came to fruition, so I agree with you on the unimaginative claim.  

 
With due respect, I think, with Taylor starting, we're 6-4 or 5-5 against the Browns. 

Mayfield made that much difference. And all the bad tendencies about A/YA with Darnold and the play calling came to fruition, so I agree with you on the unimaginative claim.  
I’m not a Taylor fan at all but that was one of the worst games I’ve seen from him - but I was considering it with Baker playing - because he will be now.

 
I’m not a Taylor fan at all but that was one of the worst games I’ve seen from him - but I was considering it with Baker playing - because he will be now.
Then yeah, seven or eight out of ten. I think we were in gentle disagreement on that one. He came right in cold and ran two minutes. And if he's throwing 64 mph to Allen's 65 mph, not much you can do but tip your cap to the number one overall and get over that you weren't number one that year. (I'm talking to myself, btw, not you. :)  )

That's nuts. We need to prepare Darnold to do stuff like that.  

 
Little Faustian bargain here. From Roto, so take it for what it's worth: 

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Todd Bowles - C -  Jets

SNY's Ralph Vacchiano reports the "feeling around the Jets" is Todd Bowles' job isn't safe.

Bowles signed a two-year extension this offseason, but that was to avoid lame-duck status. There's chatter the Jets want to move on from Bowles after CEO Christopher Johnson didn't fully endorse him at a post-Week 1 press conference. The Jets are coming off an ugly loss to the Browns on Thursday night and have been one of the most penalized teams in the league. It's only three games into the season, but Bowles is going to be on the hot seat if he doesn't get things turned around.

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Little Faustian bargain here. From Roto, so take it for what it's worth: 

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Todd Bowles - C -  Jets

SNY's Ralph Vacchiano reports the "feeling around the Jets" is Todd Bowles' job isn't safe.

Bowles signed a two-year extension this offseason, but that was to avoid lame-duck status. There's chatter the Jets want to move on from Bowles after CEO Christopher Johnson didn't fully endorse him at a post-Week 1 press conference. The Jets are coming off an ugly loss to the Browns on Thursday night and have been one of the most penalized teams in the league. It's only three games into the season, but Bowles is going to be on the hot seat if he doesn't get things turned around.

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This season is very doubtful to lead to a playoff berth....so Im not going to try to go crazy with losses but I just want to see player development especially Sam.....I'm done with the coach so if they go 5-11 and it leads to new coach and a top 5 pick before going into critical 2019 offseason I can live with that!  

 
They can’t fire Bowles in season. This season is about developing Sam and winning is secondary. While Bowles may not be the right coach to develop him it’s too late to change that for this season but he doesn’t need the distraction or chaos that comes with Bowles being fired now. 

 
Josh Allen and Baker Mayfield are both coming off much better games than Darnold.

The Jets are 1-2 and will be facing a very good and very pissed off Jacksonville team - it's time to unleash the franchise QB. I want to see the balls flying downfield this week. Enough kid gloves stuff, lets see what Darnold can do if allowed to attack a defense. Right now the safeties can cheat all the way up without fear.

Robbie Anderson can get deep, and by misusing him on short routes they are doing more damage than good as he can't be asked to fight for yards with his toothpick arms. Let him fly and let Sam take his shots.

 
The New York Daily News reports the Jets have "reached out" to the Steelers about acquiring holdout unsigned franchise player Le'Veon Bell.

Per reporter Manish Mehta, the Jets have "not made a concrete offer," but they believe the Steelers are "serious" about trading their running back. ESPN's Adam Schefter first reported Bell was available on Sunday. The Jets are the first team to be linked.
I'm a big fan of Bell, but with the state of the Jets' offensive line and with two solid RBs on the roster this seems like a tremendous waste of money and whatever picks would be necessary.

This seems like a Mike Tannenbaum splash move. I hope this is a false rumor.

 
Given how well both D. Williams and J Conner played in Bell's absences, teams need to be careful not to overpay for a player whose performance seems at least partially due to the system.

 
Josh Allen and Baker Mayfield are both coming off much better games than Darnold.

The Jets are 1-2 and will be facing a very good and very pissed off Jacksonville team - it's time to unleash the franchise QB. I want to see the balls flying downfield this week. Enough kid gloves stuff, lets see what Darnold can do if allowed to attack a defense. Right now the safeties can cheat all the way up without fear.

Robbie Anderson can get deep, and by misusing him on short routes they are doing more damage than good as he can't be asked to fight for yards with his toothpick arms. Let him fly and let Sam take his shots.
Totally agree - it was so frustrating watching him throw short, directly into coverage, time after time. Mayfield is throwing lasers to open guys 10-15 yards over the middle, and Darnold is either throwing a screen pass, or throwing soft floaters to the sideline. He looked like Chad Pennington in that Browns game. I don't really blame him - it's definitely the game plan. They have a guy that can go over the top - is it too much to ask to take a few shots to open things up?    

It's not like we have world beaters at WR, and a Julio / Odell / Hopkins type playmaker would be very, very welcome, but I have to think they can get a little more creative with Anderson, Kearse, and Enunwa.

 
Given how well both D. Williams and J Conner played in Bell's absences, teams need to be careful not to overpay for a player whose performance seems at least partially due to the system.
D Williams was an all-pro player in his own right and Conner has had one good game and one dud. I think Bell is a very talented back but I just don't think he fits into the Jets plans right now. A rebuilding team should not be giving up assets and doling out big contracts to a RB - especially when the line is in shambles.

 
D Williams was an all-pro player in his own right and Conner has had one good game and one dud. I think Bell is a very talented back but I just don't think he fits into the Jets plans right now. A rebuilding team should not be giving up assets and doling out big contracts to a RB - especially when the line is in shambles.
This.  As Schefter mentioned the "rent a player" strategy should only be exercised by someone who thinks that could win it all this year.

Further, between Crowell and Powell I don't see RB as a position of need for the Jets.

 
Josh Allen and Baker Mayfield are both coming off much better games than Darnold.

The Jets are 1-2 and will be facing a very good and very pissed off Jacksonville team - it's time to unleash the franchise QB. I want to see the balls flying downfield this week. Enough kid gloves stuff, lets see what Darnold can do if allowed to attack a defense. Right now the safeties can cheat all the way up without fear.

Robbie Anderson can get deep, and by misusing him on short routes they are doing more damage than good as he can't be asked to fight for yards with his toothpick arms. Let him fly and let Sam take his shots.
completely agree....let it rip....everyone knows this yr is all about the kid developing....how the heck is he going to develop while handcuffed...this is Bowles at his worst.  If he keeps it this conservative Im going to lose my mind....

 
I just want to say I love this title. This is one of those things that could have been in the "Bold Predictions" thread and been dead on: Jets and Patriots tied after 3 weeks. The difference is the Jets arrow is pointing up, and the Patriots is pointing down

 
completely agree....let it rip....everyone knows this yr is all about the kid developing....how the heck is he going to develop while handcuffed...this is Bowles at his worst.  If he keeps it this conservative Im going to lose my mind....
Now Bowles is going to take over the play-calling from Rodgers at times. 2-minute and hurry up moments.  Oh boy. Can't wait.....until all those coaches are gone.  

 
Now Bowles is going to take over the play-calling from Rodgers at times. 2-minute and hurry up moments.  Oh boy. Can't wait.....until all those coaches are gone.  
A HC taking over play calling duty is usually the kiss of death

Not to mention Jamal Adams throwing the coaches under the bus - team had zero preparation for Baker?  They didnt envision a scenario where he could play on a national TV game in Cleveland trying to get their 1st win in yrs?  Ugh 

 
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I thin even the Johnson's were annoyed at that last game and had to begin the thought process of a new HC next year.  Bowles has to know he's on a very short leash right now, he has to rattle off a slew of wins to keep his job.  I think anything under 7 wins and he's a goner.

 
I thin even the Johnson's were annoyed at that last game and had to begin the thought process of a new HC next year.  Bowles has to know he's on a very short leash right now, he has to rattle off a slew of wins to keep his job.  I think anything under 7 wins and he's a goner.
When asked what went wrong today, Bowles said that he didn't know. Um, dead coach walking. The media is all over this clown, but I'm not sure why no one has seen it before now. Bowles hasn't learned a damn thing on the job Same mistakes. Same cluelessness. Sigh. 

 
This team is so undisciplined, it's just tough to watch.

Todd Bowles kicks a FG down 24-3 in the 4Q - can he even do basic math?

The only positive development was they let Darnold throw downfield and while he was a bit off on some throws, he did get a few unlucky breaks as well. I still have faith in him - but the team obviously needs to help him out with the adding o-linemen and some weapons.

It's going to be a long season but at least it will end on a positive, with Bowles fired.

 
This team is so undisciplined, it's just tough to watch.

Todd Bowles kicks a FG down 24-3 in the 4Q - can he even do basic math?
On the first drive after the safety, Jets punted on 4th and 1 from their 42 down 18-0.  They had shut down the Jags' first two second half drives.  At that point, why not go for it..what do you have to lose?

 
The only positive is the narrative has now rightfully shifted onto Bowles....for some reason because the pundits declared the Jets the worst team in the NFL last yr he was able to waste another yr....he will get no such pass this year.....it's one thing to lose due to a rookie QB - but even though he hasnt looked good last 3 games he is not why they are losing....for a defensive expert his defense with lots of #1 picks and high priced FA got mauled by Blake Bortles....the mistakes re penalties, time mgt, conservative play mgt and unpreparedness is getting worse.  It's bad enough they wasted Sam's rookie year on this coaching staff but at least if they move on at the end of the season the damage should be mitigated.  Bring in an offensive aggressive coach who will play to win the game instead of playing not to lose....

I think Mac stays but he is on thin ice as well.....how do they go all in on QB this yr and let the OL be this bad....he knew it would be Cousins or a rookie...the $ was there and he ignored the OL as he always does....besides Williamson most of the FA signings are not looking great.....once again draft picks besides the #1 not looking great....do we feel in good hands with Mac picking a new coach, spending $100M and another likely top 10 pick?  That would ensure him another 3 yrs most likely and im not sure...

On to a critical home stand - hate to be out of it by October but its looking like that....just keep the kid healthy and learning....even in this conservative offense 

 
Great game yesterday. Aggressive on defense. Darnold made some great passes. The o-line opened up some holes and the RBs looked good. Welcome back R. Anderson. 

 
Some top notch throws by Darnold, exciting stuff and great to see Leo finally dominate

 
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I was at the game yesterday - the team definitely was on and firing ala Detroit....good offense, defense, ST and coaching.....

QB: Sam looked great - poised and took his shots....will need to learn to watch the tipped passes....nice to see him uncork some of those long balls which were dead on

RB: Well I guess this shows once and for all there is no need for Bell especially in a mid season trade.....300 yds rushing for the Jets is ridiculous.  OL did a great job and the RBs went at them...the 1-2 punch worked very well and Crowell had a much needed good game to get the "stink" off him from the Cleveland antics

WR: Will the real Anderson please stand up....could just be time for Sam and Robbie to start clicking...I personally think Anderson is a homerun hitter that will go off every few games and this was it....Enunwa's complete goose egg is a but concerning....this team still needs a stud WR...Enunwa as a #2 and Robbie as a #3 would be preferable IMO

TE: patchwork TE seems to be holding solid....thinking one will break out soon and my bet is on the rook...but seeing ASJ gimpy and putting up zeroes in Jax makes it hard to second guess letting him go

DL - good run stuffing and pressure....Williams looked like the beast he needs to be...especially in a contract year

LB: flying all overt he place - good game

CB: I was nervous about Trumain being out but CBs didnt skip a beat....the Adams/Maye tandem could become one of the best in the league in a yr or 2

coaching - The aggressive Bowles was back ....probably after reading all the negative articles this week.....Bates called a great game on O and Bowles a great game on D...not sure how ill the DC is but wish him the best in recovery. ...that being said I have to ask if the chage in calling has to do with Bowles calling the game or just circumstance....looking to see if Bowles keeps it attacking or goes back to his conservative roots....

So 2-3 with 2 more games in a row at him - very winnable game vs Indy this Sunday....Bowles MO is for the team to come out flat and play a stinker.....let's see if he can avoid it 

outlook: as I have said playoffs/record not a must over development of Sam and the youngsters but let's take a look:

home: Colts, Min, Bills, Pats, Texans, Pack - I see 3 winnable home games

Away: Bears, Fins, Titans, Bills, Pats - I see 4 winnable away games 

season will hinge on those winnable games - win em all and all in all a successful season at 9 wins - playoffs or not....win only 4 of 7 though and its another 6 win season and coaching staff likely gone.  This game is a big one!  

 
Some top notch throws by Darnold, exciting stuff and great to see Leo finally dominate
This was his best game so far. It's amazing what taking off the handcuffs can do. His completion percentage wasn't great but a couple of the passes were just a bit off, Enunwa had a bad drop and there was also a subtle hold to the back of Enuwa's jersey that slowed him down enough to keep Darnold from getting TD no. 3 (at the time).

He looked very poised, avoided the rush and threw some great deep passes with touch and accuracy. We have hope once again.

 
season will hinge on those winnable games - win em all and all in all a successful season at 9 wins - playoffs or not....win only 4 of 7 though and its another 6 win season and coaching staff likely gone.  This game is a big one!  
I agree that making the playoffs, while nice, is not the main goal of this season - although getting there and knocking Doug Marrone out would be nice.  

 
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