2023 NY Giants - (Schoen & Daboll episode 2 – Danny turns Dimes into Dollars) (1 Viewer)

[Qammy]

Anonymous GM says Giants screwed up signing Daniel Jones.
Who was going to pay him?

This is some serious garbage reporting .. First off there is not a mention of a GM anywhere in that article so not sure where that came from
A) What is an NFL exec ? There are a whole lot of different executive positions and departments in an NFL organization in charge of lots of things unrelated to football (Cleaning, Cooking, Security, Parking, Facilities etc .. ) At least Tell us what this NFL exec or execs are responsible for
B) Any NFL Exec that has Football Operations / Front Office responsibilities that doesnt have the balls to to stand behind their comments doesnt have an ounce of credibilty

Stop with the ad hominen attack. Do you disagree that the Giants didn't screw up with the Jones contract? At the very least they could have done a better job structuring the contract so his cap hits weren't: $21M; $45M; $39.5M; $56.5M.

Really ? How should they have structured it ?

 

[Snotbubbles]

Anonymous GM says Giants screwed up signing Daniel Jones.
Who was going to pay him?

This is some serious garbage reporting .. First off there is not a mention of a GM anywhere in that article so not sure where that came from
A) What is an NFL exec ? There are a whole lot of different executive positions and departments in an NFL organization in charge of lots of things unrelated to football (Cleaning, Cooking, Security, Parking, Facilities etc .. ) At least Tell us what this NFL exec or execs are responsible for
B) Any NFL Exec that has Football Operations / Front Office responsibilities that doesnt have the balls to to stand behind their comments doesnt have an ounce of credibilty

Stop with the ad hominen attack. Do you disagree that the Giants didn't screw up with the Jones contract? At the very least they could have done a better job structuring the contract so his cap hits weren't: $21M; $45M; $39.5M; $56.5M.

Really ? How should they have structured it ?

see Hurts, Jalen

Hurts Cap Hits
2023: $6.15M
2024: $13.56M
2025: $21.77M
2026: $31.77M

You kick the can down the road, by using extensions, bonuses and/or restructures in to keep cap hits low, while the cap continues to go up so you can surround your QB with talent.

 

[Qammy]

Anonymous GM says Giants screwed up signing Daniel Jones.
Who was going to pay him?

This is some serious garbage reporting .. First off there is not a mention of a GM anywhere in that article so not sure where that came from
A) What is an NFL exec ? There are a whole lot of different executive positions and departments in an NFL organization in charge of lots of things unrelated to football (Cleaning, Cooking, Security, Parking, Facilities etc .. ) At least Tell us what this NFL exec or execs are responsible for
B) Any NFL Exec that has Football Operations / Front Office responsibilities that doesnt have the balls to to stand behind their comments doesnt have an ounce of credibilty

Stop with the ad hominen attack. Do you disagree that the Giants didn't screw up with the Jones contract? At the very least they could have done a better job structuring the contract so his cap hits weren't: $21M; $45M; $39.5M; $56.5M.

Really ? How should they have structured it ?

see Hurts, Jalen

Hurts Cap Hits
2023: $6.15M
2024: $13.56M
2025: $21.77M
2026: $31.77M

You kick the can down the road, by using extensions, bonuses and/or restructures in to keep cap hits low, while the cap continues to go up so you can surround your QB with talent.

2023 - is Hurts Rookie Contract so dont count that
You're mssing over $100M guaranteed $$$$ ...where doe that come in ????
If the Gianst decide to part ways with DJ or Restructure after 3 years they will have paid him $112.5 M an averge of $37.5m per year ... Not bad in Todays QB Market
If the Eagles decide to part ways with Hurts after 3 Years they will have to pay him $180M or $60m Per year ... No matter how you slice it ... Eagles owe $180M now or down the road and if hurts doesnt work out for one reason or another ... they are going to experience max pain

 

[Snotbubbles]

Anonymous GM says Giants screwed up signing Daniel Jones.
Who was going to pay him?

This is some serious garbage reporting .. First off there is not a mention of a GM anywhere in that article so not sure where that came from
A) What is an NFL exec ? There are a whole lot of different executive positions and departments in an NFL organization in charge of lots of things unrelated to football (Cleaning, Cooking, Security, Parking, Facilities etc .. ) At least Tell us what this NFL exec or execs are responsible for
B) Any NFL Exec that has Football Operations / Front Office responsibilities that doesnt have the balls to to stand behind their comments doesnt have an ounce of credibilty

Stop with the ad hominen attack. Do you disagree that the Giants didn't screw up with the Jones contract? At the very least they could have done a better job structuring the contract so his cap hits weren't: $21M; $45M; $39.5M; $56.5M.

Really ? How should they have structured it ?

see Hurts, Jalen

Hurts Cap Hits
2023: $6.15M
2024: $13.56M
2025: $21.77M
2026: $31.77M

You kick the can down the road, by using extensions, bonuses and/or restructures in to keep cap hits low, while the cap continues to go up so you can surround your QB with talent.

2023 - is Hurts Rookie Contract so dont count that
You're mssing over $100M guaranteed $$$$ ...where doe that come in ????
If the Gianst decide to part ways with DJ or Restructure after 3 years they will have paid him $112.5 M an averge of $37.5m per year ... Not bad in Todays QB Market
If the Eagles decide to part ways with Hurts after 3 Years they will have to pay him $180M or $60m Per year ... No matter how you slice it ... Eagles owe $180M now or down the road and if hurts doesnt work out for one reason or another ... they are going to experience max pain

The total amount of money is irrelevant...it's the cap hits that matter.

Navigating dead money is the GM's job.

Dead money pain is one, maybe two years. But at that point, it's not really an issue since if Hurts doesn't work out chances are you're drafting a QB anyway and that guy will need a couple years of development before you're competing.

 

[Qammy]

Anonymous GM says Giants screwed up signing Daniel Jones.
Who was going to pay him?

This is some serious garbage reporting .. First off there is not a mention of a GM anywhere in that article so not sure where that came from
A) What is an NFL exec ? There are a whole lot of different executive positions and departments in an NFL organization in charge of lots of things unrelated to football (Cleaning, Cooking, Security, Parking, Facilities etc .. ) At least Tell us what this NFL exec or execs are responsible for
B) Any NFL Exec that has Football Operations / Front Office responsibilities that doesnt have the balls to to stand behind their comments doesnt have an ounce of credibilty

Stop with the ad hominen attack. Do you disagree that the Giants didn't screw up with the Jones contract? At the very least they could have done a better job structuring the contract so his cap hits weren't: $21M; $45M; $39.5M; $56.5M.

Really ? How should they have structured it ?

see Hurts, Jalen

Hurts Cap Hits
2023: $6.15M
2024: $13.56M
2025: $21.77M
2026: $31.77M

You kick the can down the road, by using extensions, bonuses and/or restructures in to keep cap hits low, while the cap continues to go up so you can surround your QB with talent.

2023 - is Hurts Rookie Contract so dont count that
You're mssing over $100M guaranteed $$$$ ...where doe that come in ????
If the Gianst decide to part ways with DJ or Restructure after 3 years they will have paid him $112.5 M an averge of $37.5m per year ... Not bad in Todays QB Market
If the Eagles decide to part ways with Hurts after 3 Years they will have to pay him $180M or $60m Per year ... No matter how you slice it ... Eagles owe $180M now or down the road and if hurts doesnt work out for one reason or another ... they are going to experience max pain

The total amount of money is irrelevant...it's the cap hits that matter.

Navigating dead money is the GM's job.

Dead money pain is one, maybe two years. But at that point, it's not really an issue since if Hurts doesn't work out chances are you're drafting a QB anyway and that guy will need a couple years of development before you're competing.

Total guaranteed money is equal to cap hit spread out over some number of years ... there is no way around guaranteed money. You either pay it now or later

 

[Snotbubbles]

Anonymous GM says Giants screwed up signing Daniel Jones.
Who was going to pay him?

This is some serious garbage reporting .. First off there is not a mention of a GM anywhere in that article so not sure where that came from
A) What is an NFL exec ? There are a whole lot of different executive positions and departments in an NFL organization in charge of lots of things unrelated to football (Cleaning, Cooking, Security, Parking, Facilities etc .. ) At least Tell us what this NFL exec or execs are responsible for
B) Any NFL Exec that has Football Operations / Front Office responsibilities that doesnt have the balls to to stand behind their comments doesnt have an ounce of credibilty

Stop with the ad hominen attack. Do you disagree that the Giants didn't screw up with the Jones contract? At the very least they could have done a better job structuring the contract so his cap hits weren't: $21M; $45M; $39.5M; $56.5M.

Really ? How should they have structured it ?

see Hurts, Jalen

Hurts Cap Hits
2023: $6.15M
2024: $13.56M
2025: $21.77M
2026: $31.77M

You kick the can down the road, by using extensions, bonuses and/or restructures in to keep cap hits low, while the cap continues to go up so you can surround your QB with talent.

2023 - is Hurts Rookie Contract so dont count that
You're mssing over $100M guaranteed $$$$ ...where doe that come in ????
If the Gianst decide to part ways with DJ or Restructure after 3 years they will have paid him $112.5 M an averge of $37.5m per year ... Not bad in Todays QB Market
If the Eagles decide to part ways with Hurts after 3 Years they will have to pay him $180M or $60m Per year ... No matter how you slice it ... Eagles owe $180M now or down the road and if hurts doesnt work out for one reason or another ... they are going to experience max pain

The total amount of money is irrelevant...it's the cap hits that matter.

Navigating dead money is the GM's job.

Dead money pain is one, maybe two years. But at that point, it's not really an issue since if Hurts doesn't work out chances are you're drafting a QB anyway and that guy will need a couple years of development before you're competing.

Total guaranteed money is equal to cap hit spread out over some number of years ... there is no way around guaranteed money. You either pay it now or later

In 2019 the Eagles signed Carson Wentz to a 4 year deal with $107M guaranteed. In 2021 they traded him and took at dead cap hit of $33M. At the time, it was the largest dead cap hit in league history. They made the playoffs that year and then went to the Superbowl the next year. The dead cap money didn't impede the Eagles in creating a roster that many considered the one of the deepest in the NFL. I don't understand why you're so worried about possible dead cap money in 2027 and 2028 that you're willing to limit yourself in building around Daniel Jones in 2023. It seems foolish to me.

 

[Qammy]

Anonymous GM says Giants screwed up signing Daniel Jones.
Who was going to pay him?

This is some serious garbage reporting .. First off there is not a mention of a GM anywhere in that article so not sure where that came from
A) What is an NFL exec ? There are a whole lot of different executive positions and departments in an NFL organization in charge of lots of things unrelated to football (Cleaning, Cooking, Security, Parking, Facilities etc .. ) At least Tell us what this NFL exec or execs are responsible for
B) Any NFL Exec that has Football Operations / Front Office responsibilities that doesnt have the balls to to stand behind their comments doesnt have an ounce of credibilty

Stop with the ad hominen attack. Do you disagree that the Giants didn't screw up with the Jones contract? At the very least they could have done a better job structuring the contract so his cap hits weren't: $21M; $45M; $39.5M; $56.5M.

Really ? How should they have structured it ?

see Hurts, Jalen

Hurts Cap Hits
2023: $6.15M
2024: $13.56M
2025: $21.77M
2026: $31.77M

You kick the can down the road, by using extensions, bonuses and/or restructures in to keep cap hits low, while the cap continues to go up so you can surround your QB with talent.

2023 - is Hurts Rookie Contract so dont count that
You're mssing over $100M guaranteed $$$$ ...where doe that come in ????
If the Gianst decide to part ways with DJ or Restructure after 3 years they will have paid him $112.5 M an averge of $37.5m per year ... Not bad in Todays QB Market
If the Eagles decide to part ways with Hurts after 3 Years they will have to pay him $180M or $60m Per year ... No matter how you slice it ... Eagles owe $180M now or down the road and if hurts doesnt work out for one reason or another ... they are going to experience max pain

The total amount of money is irrelevant...it's the cap hits that matter.

Navigating dead money is the GM's job.

Dead money pain is one, maybe two years. But at that point, it's not really an issue since if Hurts doesn't work out chances are you're drafting a QB anyway and that guy will need a couple years of development before you're competing.

Total guaranteed money is equal to cap hit spread out over some number of years ... there is no way around guaranteed money. You either pay it now or later

In 2019 the Eagles signed Carson Wentz to a 4 year deal with $107M guaranteed. In 2021 they traded him and took at dead cap hit of $33M. At the time, it was the largest dead cap hit in league history. They made the playoffs that year and then went to the Superbowl the next year. The dead cap money didn't impede the Eagles in creating a roster that many considered the one of the deepest in the NFL. I don't understand why you're so worried about possible dead cap money in 2027 and 2028 that you're willing to limit yourself in building around Daniel Jones in 2023. It seems foolish to me.

Then why are you concerned about Daniel Jones cap hit????

 

[Qammy]

Anonymous GM says Giants screwed up signing Daniel Jones.
Who was going to pay him?

This is some serious garbage reporting .. First off there is not a mention of a GM anywhere in that article so not sure where that came from
A) What is an NFL exec ? There are a whole lot of different executive positions and departments in an NFL organization in charge of lots of things unrelated to football (Cleaning, Cooking, Security, Parking, Facilities etc .. ) At least Tell us what this NFL exec or execs are responsible for
B) Any NFL Exec that has Football Operations / Front Office responsibilities that doesnt have the balls to to stand behind their comments doesnt have an ounce of credibilty

Stop with the ad hominen attack. Do you disagree that the Giants didn't screw up with the Jones contract? At the very least they could have done a better job structuring the contract so his cap hits weren't: $21M; $45M; $39.5M; $56.5M.

Really ? How should they have structured it ?

see Hurts, Jalen

Hurts Cap Hits
2023: $6.15M
2024: $13.56M
2025: $21.77M
2026: $31.77M

You kick the can down the road, by using extensions, bonuses and/or restructures in to keep cap hits low, while the cap continues to go up so you can surround your QB with talent.

2023 - is Hurts Rookie Contract so dont count that
You're mssing over $100M guaranteed $$$$ ...where doe that come in ????
If the Gianst decide to part ways with DJ or Restructure after 3 years they will have paid him $112.5 M an averge of $37.5m per year ... Not bad in Todays QB Market
If the Eagles decide to part ways with Hurts after 3 Years they will have to pay him $180M or $60m Per year ... No matter how you slice it ... Eagles owe $180M now or down the road and if hurts doesnt work out for one reason or another ... they are going to experience max pain

The total amount of money is irrelevant...it's the cap hits that matter.

Navigating dead money is the GM's job.

Dead money pain is one, maybe two years. But at that point, it's not really an issue since if Hurts doesn't work out chances are you're drafting a QB anyway and that guy will need a couple years of development before you're competing.

Total guaranteed money is equal to cap hit spread out over some number of years ... there is no way around guaranteed money. You either pay it now or later

In 2019 the Eagles signed Carson Wentz to a 4 year deal with $107M guaranteed. In 2021 they traded him and took at dead cap hit of $33M. At the time, it was the largest dead cap hit in league history. They made the playoffs that year and then went to the Superbowl the next year. The dead cap money didn't impede the Eagles in creating a roster that many considered the one of the deepest in the NFL. I don't understand why you're so worried about possible dead cap money in 2027 and 2028 that you're willing to limit yourself in building around Daniel Jones in 2023. It seems foolish to me.

Then why are you concerned about Daniel Jones cap hit????

Also I havent seen Hurts actually contract breakdown yet on Over the cap or spotrac ... until we see that it's tuff to tell what his deal looks like

 

[Snotbubbles]

Anonymous GM says Giants screwed up signing Daniel Jones.
Who was going to pay him?

This is some serious garbage reporting .. First off there is not a mention of a GM anywhere in that article so not sure where that came from
A) What is an NFL exec ? There are a whole lot of different executive positions and departments in an NFL organization in charge of lots of things unrelated to football (Cleaning, Cooking, Security, Parking, Facilities etc .. ) At least Tell us what this NFL exec or execs are responsible for
B) Any NFL Exec that has Football Operations / Front Office responsibilities that doesnt have the balls to to stand behind their comments doesnt have an ounce of credibilty

Stop with the ad hominen attack. Do you disagree that the Giants didn't screw up with the Jones contract? At the very least they could have done a better job structuring the contract so his cap hits weren't: $21M; $45M; $39.5M; $56.5M.

Really ? How should they have structured it ?

see Hurts, Jalen

Hurts Cap Hits
2023: $6.15M
2024: $13.56M
2025: $21.77M
2026: $31.77M

You kick the can down the road, by using extensions, bonuses and/or restructures in to keep cap hits low, while the cap continues to go up so you can surround your QB with talent.

2023 - is Hurts Rookie Contract so dont count that
You're mssing over $100M guaranteed $$$$ ...where doe that come in ????
If the Gianst decide to part ways with DJ or Restructure after 3 years they will have paid him $112.5 M an averge of $37.5m per year ... Not bad in Todays QB Market
If the Eagles decide to part ways with Hurts after 3 Years they will have to pay him $180M or $60m Per year ... No matter how you slice it ... Eagles owe $180M now or down the road and if hurts doesnt work out for one reason or another ... they are going to experience max pain

The total amount of money is irrelevant...it's the cap hits that matter.

Navigating dead money is the GM's job.

Dead money pain is one, maybe two years. But at that point, it's not really an issue since if Hurts doesn't work out chances are you're drafting a QB anyway and that guy will need a couple years of development before you're competing.

Total guaranteed money is equal to cap hit spread out over some number of years ... there is no way around guaranteed money. You either pay it now or later

In 2019 the Eagles signed Carson Wentz to a 4 year deal with $107M guaranteed. In 2021 they traded him and took at dead cap hit of $33M. At the time, it was the largest dead cap hit in league history. They made the playoffs that year and then went to the Superbowl the next year. The dead cap money didn't impede the Eagles in creating a roster that many considered the one of the deepest in the NFL. I don't understand why you're so worried about possible dead cap money in 2027 and 2028 that you're willing to limit yourself in building around Daniel Jones in 2023. It seems foolish to me.

Then why are you concerned about Daniel Jones cap hit????

I'm really don't care about Jones' cap hit. I agree with the article, it was stupid to pay him that much money and it's even more stupid the way they structured it with the cap hits.

You were doing ad hominen source attacking. It adds nothing to discussion. If you think the Jones deal was a good one and structured to perfection, more power to you.

 

[Qammy]

Anonymous GM says Giants screwed up signing Daniel Jones.
Who was going to pay him?

This is some serious garbage reporting .. First off there is not a mention of a GM anywhere in that article so not sure where that came from
A) What is an NFL exec ? There are a whole lot of different executive positions and departments in an NFL organization in charge of lots of things unrelated to football (Cleaning, Cooking, Security, Parking, Facilities etc .. ) At least Tell us what this NFL exec or execs are responsible for
B) Any NFL Exec that has Football Operations / Front Office responsibilities that doesnt have the balls to to stand behind their comments doesnt have an ounce of credibilty

Stop with the ad hominen attack. Do you disagree that the Giants didn't screw up with the Jones contract? At the very least they could have done a better job structuring the contract so his cap hits weren't: $21M; $45M; $39.5M; $56.5M.

Really ? How should they have structured it ?

see Hurts, Jalen

Hurts Cap Hits
2023: $6.15M
2024: $13.56M
2025: $21.77M
2026: $31.77M

You kick the can down the road, by using extensions, bonuses and/or restructures in to keep cap hits low, while the cap continues to go up so you can surround your QB with talent.

2023 - is Hurts Rookie Contract so dont count that
You're mssing over $100M guaranteed $$$$ ...where doe that come in ????
If the Gianst decide to part ways with DJ or Restructure after 3 years they will have paid him $112.5 M an averge of $37.5m per year ... Not bad in Todays QB Market
If the Eagles decide to part ways with Hurts after 3 Years they will have to pay him $180M or $60m Per year ... No matter how you slice it ... Eagles owe $180M now or down the road and if hurts doesnt work out for one reason or another ... they are going to experience max pain

The total amount of money is irrelevant...it's the cap hits that matter.

Navigating dead money is the GM's job.

Dead money pain is one, maybe two years. But at that point, it's not really an issue since if Hurts doesn't work out chances are you're drafting a QB anyway and that guy will need a couple years of development before you're competing.

Total guaranteed money is equal to cap hit spread out over some number of years ... there is no way around guaranteed money. You either pay it now or later

In 2019 the Eagles signed Carson Wentz to a 4 year deal with $107M guaranteed. In 2021 they traded him and took at dead cap hit of $33M. At the time, it was the largest dead cap hit in league history. They made the playoffs that year and then went to the Superbowl the next year. The dead cap money didn't impede the Eagles in creating a roster that many considered the one of the deepest in the NFL. I don't understand why you're so worried about possible dead cap money in 2027 and 2028 that you're willing to limit yourself in building around Daniel Jones in 2023. It seems foolish to me.

Then why are you concerned about Daniel Jones cap hit????

I'm really don't care about Jones' cap hit. I agree with the article, it was stupid to pay him that much money and it's even more stupid the way they structured it with the cap hits.

You were doing ad hominen source attacking. It adds nothing to discussion. If you think the Jones deal was a good one and structured to perfection, more power to you.

I disagree with the article ... and I think the writer is amateur.

I think it was a great deal for both sides ...
If doesnt work out the Giants have minimal pain. They could get out after 2 years with a measly $18m dead cap, after 3 with and average salay of 37.5 and no dead cap.
If it works out they pay him an avg of $40m over 5 years, well worth it compared to Hurts' and oher upcoming contracts that will be in the 50-60 range. They also have the option of renegotiating after 3 years.

If they had franchised tagged him this year and next, he would have a higher avg cap hit over the next 2 seasons .
After that they have to pay out the ***

 

[Qammy]

Anonymous GM says Giants screwed up signing Daniel Jones.
Who was going to pay him?

This is some serious garbage reporting .. First off there is not a mention of a GM anywhere in that article so not sure where that came from
A) What is an NFL exec ? There are a whole lot of different executive positions and departments in an NFL organization in charge of lots of things unrelated to football (Cleaning, Cooking, Security, Parking, Facilities etc .. ) At least Tell us what this NFL exec or execs are responsible for
B) Any NFL Exec that has Football Operations / Front Office responsibilities that doesnt have the balls to to stand behind their comments doesnt have an ounce of credibilty

Stop with the ad hominen attack. Do you disagree that the Giants didn't screw up with the Jones contract? At the very least they could have done a better job structuring the contract so his cap hits weren't: $21M; $45M; $39.5M; $56.5M.

Really ? How should they have structured it ?

see Hurts, Jalen

Hurts Cap Hits
2023: $6.15M
2024: $13.56M
2025: $21.77M
2026: $31.77M

You kick the can down the road, by using extensions, bonuses and/or restructures in to keep cap hits low, while the cap continues to go up so you can surround your QB with talent.

2023 - is Hurts Rookie Contract so dont count that
You're mssing over $100M guaranteed $$$$ ...where doe that come in ????
If the Gianst decide to part ways with DJ or Restructure after 3 years they will have paid him $112.5 M an averge of $37.5m per year ... Not bad in Todays QB Market
If the Eagles decide to part ways with Hurts after 3 Years they will have to pay him $180M or $60m Per year ... No matter how you slice it ... Eagles owe $180M now or down the road and if hurts doesnt work out for one reason or another ... they are going to experience max pain

The total amount of money is irrelevant...it's the cap hits that matter.

Navigating dead money is the GM's job.

Dead money pain is one, maybe two years. But at that point, it's not really an issue since if Hurts doesn't work out chances are you're drafting a QB anyway and that guy will need a couple years of development before you're competing.

Total guaranteed money is equal to cap hit spread out over some number of years ... there is no way around guaranteed money. You either pay it now or later

In 2019 the Eagles signed Carson Wentz to a 4 year deal with $107M guaranteed. In 2021 they traded him and took at dead cap hit of $33M. At the time, it was the largest dead cap hit in league history. They made the playoffs that year and then went to the Superbowl the next year. The dead cap money didn't impede the Eagles in creating a roster that many considered the one of the deepest in the NFL. I don't understand why you're so worried about possible dead cap money in 2027 and 2028 that you're willing to limit yourself in building around Daniel Jones in 2023. It seems foolish to me.

Then why are you concerned about Daniel Jones cap hit????

I'm really don't care about Jones' cap hit. I agree with the article, it was stupid to pay him that much money and it's even more stupid the way they structured it with the cap hits.

You were doing ad hominen source attacking. It adds nothing to discussion. If you think the Jones deal was a good one and structured to perfection, more power to you.

I disagree with the article ... and I think the writer is amateur.

I think it was a great deal for both sides ...
If doesnt work out the Giants have minimal pain. They could get out after 2 years with a measly $18m dead cap, after 3 with and average salay of 37.5 and no dead cap.
If it works out they pay him an avg of $40m over 5 years, well worth it compared to Hurts' and oher upcoming contracts that will be in the 50-60 range. They also have the option of renegotiating after 3 years.

If they had franchised tagged him this year and next, he would have a higher avg cap hit over the next 2 seasons .
After that they have to pay out the ***

By the way I spoke with an anonymous executive related to personnel decsions and payroll who said this is a great contract

 

[The Frankman]

The Athletic's Dan Duggan reports the Giants have given no indication they want to extend contract-year CB Adoree Jackson.

The Giants current plan is to let Jackson, who signed a three-year, $39 million deal in 2021, play out the final year of his contract. Jackson has missed 11 games the last two years but has produced when healthy, posting 113 tackles, an interception, and 15 PBUs. Franchising RB Saquon Barkley and not picking up Daniel Jones' option last offseason has cost the Giants, with Jones and Barkley accounting for 15% of the cap. Jackson will head back to free agency as a 28-year-old next offseason if the Giants don't extend him.

Not exactly a surprise here considering they let Love walk and are playing hardball with Saquon and Lawrence (to a degree). Expecting them to get a corner in the first 2 rounds.

 

[The Big Donkey]

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1650569627934523392

The #Giants have agreed to terms with #Rams FA DT A’Shawn Robinson, continuing to beef up their defensive front right before the Draft, sources tell me and
@MikeGarafolo. He gets a 1-year deal worth up to $8M max value with the opportunity to find a home with NYG.

 

[Yenrub]

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1650569627934523392

The #Giants have agreed to terms with #Rams FA DT A’Shawn Robinson, continuing to beef up their defensive front right before the Draft, sources tell me and
@MikeGarafolo. He gets a 1-year deal worth up to $8M max value with the opportunity to find a home with NYG.

Robinson & Nunez-Roches behind Dex and Leo gives the Giants some nice depth on the DL

 

[Leroy Hoard]

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1650569627934523392

The #Giants have agreed to terms with #Rams FA DT A’Shawn Robinson, continuing to beef up their defensive front right before the Draft, sources tell me and
@MikeGarafolo. He gets a 1-year deal worth up to $8M max value with the opportunity to find a home with NYG.

Robinson & Nunez-Roches behind Dex and Leo gives the Giants some nice depth on the DL

Don't sleep on the giants, but it's still preferable to having giants sleeping on you.

 

[Qammy]

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1650569627934523392

The #Giants have agreed to terms with #Rams FA DT A’Shawn Robinson, continuing to beef up their defensive front right before the Draft, sources tell me and
@MikeGarafolo. He gets a 1-year deal worth up to $8M max value with the opportunity to find a home with NYG.

Robinson & Nunez-Roches behind Dex and Leo gives the Giants some nice depth on the DL

Wow! That's huge ... Wonder how they re fitting him under the cap

 

[Yenrub]

Ok fellas the draft is just a day away. What are you hoping that the Giants do in the 1st round.

I'll start - I think our biggest needs are (in my order) CB, C & WR. I'll add pass rusher as a sleeper need.
My realistic hope is the Banks the CB from Maryland is there for the Giants at 25.

 

[RC94]

Ok fellas the draft is just a day away. What are you hoping that the Giants do in the 1st round.

I'll start - I think our biggest needs are (in my order) CB, C & WR. I'll add pass rusher as a sleeper need.
My realistic hope is the Banks the CB from Maryland is there for the Giants at 25.

Agreed. Hoping for Banks or another top CB.

 

[Qammy]

Ok fellas the draft is just a day away. What are you hoping that the Giants do in the 1st round.

I'll start - I think our biggest needs are (in my order) CB, C & WR. I'll add pass rusher as a sleeper need.
My realistic hope is the Banks the CB from Maryland is there for the Giants at 25.

I agree ...

• CB - Gonzalez and Witherspoon will almost certainly be gone ... after that, Porter and Banks are the only other CBs I would use at pick 25
• WR - Jaxon Smith-Njigba and Quentin Johnston are the only WRs I'd want at pick 25 ... I dont want another small WR especially this early in the draft
• S - I think I would take Branch here ... but he is a little smaller than I'd like at Saftey .. His comp is Minkah Fitzpatrick but I dont see that at all (if he is he'd be my first choice)
• C - Is a huge need but rather with the 2nd or even 3rd pick. I wouldnt be angry if they went with John Michael Schmitz here ... lot a teams looking for Centers
• Best Player Available (Skoronski, Nolan Smith , Kancey, Myles Murphy, Torrence) no particular order
• Trade Back

 

[tribe]

Ok fellas the draft is just a day away. What are you hoping that the Giants do in the 1st round.

I'll start - I think our biggest needs are (in my order) CB, C & WR. I'll add pass rusher as a sleeper need.
My realistic hope is the Banks the CB from Maryland is there for the Giants at 25.

I agree ...

• CB - Gonzalez and Witherspoon will almost certainly be gone ... after that, Porter and Banks are the only other CBs I would use at pick 25
• WR - Jaxon Smith-Njigba and Quentin Johnston are the only WRs I'd want at pick 25 ... I dont want another small WR especially this early in the draft
• S - I think I would take Branch here ... but he is a little smaller than I'd like at Saftey .. His comp is Minkah Fitzpatrick but I dont see that at all (if he is he'd be my first choice)
• C - Is a huge need but rather with the 2nd or even 3rd pick. I wouldnt be angry if they went with John Michael Schmitz here ... lot a teams looking for Centers
• Best Player Available (Skoronski, Nolan Smith , Kancey, Myles Murphy, Torrence) no particular order
• Trade Back

Agree with most of all this. CB and C are probably the biggest need at this point, especially since we aren't extending Adore. If Banks or Porter aren't there, I'd really like to move back if possible. I think most of the WR and remaining CB that would be available are a coinflip and, while an elite center would help the line tremendously, its not great value in R1.

 

[The Frankman]

Giants are at the point they really need an impact CB in the 1st.

2nd round is completely dependent on what happened in the 1st so I won't venture a guess.

 

[The Big Donkey]

Giants are at the point they really need an impact CB in the 1st.

2nd round is completely dependent on what happened in the 1st so I won't venture a guess.

which CB you hope gets to them?

 

[The Frankman]

I wish I could guess, but a part of me thinks no good CBs will be left by then... Porter for sure will be gone.

 

[RC94]

Banks fell into their lap.

 

[Yenrub]

Banks fell into their lap.

Not exactly. They moved up one spot (giving up a 5th AND a 7th)
I'm not sure why you pay that price when both Banks AND Porter are on the board.

 

[The Frankman]

ESPN Pre-Draft Analysis:
Banks is a physical press-zone corner with the fluidity and top-end speed to turn and run with any receiver. While his technique needs to get better, he has the strength and length to reroute receivers. He has extremely quick feet and lateral agility for a taller corner. He plays with an aggressive mindset, has an excellent motor and is the 2023 class' most reliable tackler at cornerback on tape. -- Steve Muench

Giants traded up with the Jaguars to select Maryland CB Deonte Banks with the No. 24 overall pick in the 2023 NFL Draft.

Jacksonville reportedly picked up the 160th overall pick and 240th overall pick to move down one spot. Banks (6’0/197) is a self-made three-star recruit who went to his home-state school of Maryland and became an immediate core contributor for the Terps secondary. He entered the starting lineup in the fourth game of his true freshman season, using his 4.35s 40 speed and ready-made frame to earn 478 snaps. The pandemic and a shoulder injury limited Banks to just seven games from 2020-2021, but his 38 tackles, 9 PBU, and 43% catch rate allowed merited Honorable Mention All-Big Ten level attention last year, putting Banks on the NFL Draft radar. A menace to contain in the run game, he only missed one tackle in 29 attempts which earned him a pristine 89.2 tackling grade from PFF. Though his 2022 campaign was no-doubt impressive, Banks really started climbing the board after his sizzling Combine performance, testing in the 99th percentile in the 10-yard split (1.45s), vertical (42”), and broad jump (11’04) for a near-perfect 9.99 RAS. The physically gifted corner is clean in his transitions and has a relentless will to compete and play through the catch.
- NBCSportsEDGE

The Giants are basically drafting to fit Wink Martindale's scheme and I guess they liked his Combine numbers more than Joey Porter Jr.?

 

[Qammy]

Banks fell into their lap.

Not exactly. They moved up one spot (giving up a 5th AND a 7th)
I'm not sure why you pay that price when both Banks AND Porter are on the board.

Yeah they gave up to much with Banks Porter and Branch still there but ... Great pick

 

[The Frankman]

So I pulled up both Joey Porter Jr. and Deonte Banks Combine numbers from NFL.com.

Deonte Banks absolutely annihilated the Combine for CBs. 1st in Athletic Score for CBs (98 to Porter Jr.'s 78), 3rd in overall rating (much higher than Porter Jr., 87-81)

 

[The Frankman]

SNY Giants.com - Deonte Banks 2023 NFL Draft Profile: Everything you need to know about Giants’ first-round pick

 

[Qammy]

Just heard this on Big Blue Banter regarding Banks
3rd Most Athletic CB to enter the draft since 1987
3rd of 2222 CBs over that time

 

[Yenrub]

So I pulled up both Joey Porter Jr. and Deonte Banks Combine numbers from NFL.com.

Deonte Banks absolutely annihilated the Combine for CBs. 1st in Athletic Score for CBs (98 to Porter Jr.'s 78), 3rd in overall rating (much higher than Porter Jr., 87-81)

Not that it means much for the NFL, but Porter made 1st team All Big 10, Banks was honorable mention.

 

[Qammy]

So I pulled up both Joey Porter Jr. and Deonte Banks Combine numbers from NFL.com.

Deonte Banks absolutely annihilated the Combine for CBs. 1st in Athletic Score for CBs (98 to Porter Jr.'s 78), 3rd in overall rating (much higher than Porter Jr., 87-81)

Not that it means much for the NFL, but Porter made 1st team All Big 10, Banks was honorable mention.

I heard Porter was a little stiff in the hips ... slow changing direction

 

[Qammy]

Need to Draft a couple of Hog Mollies to deal with this Eagles D-Line for the next 5 years ... Dallas as well
Give me O'Cyrus and a Center with the next 2 picks

 

[Snotbubbles]

I like the CB the Giants took. Porter I think may eventually convert to safety a la Malcolm Jenkins.

 

[Qammy]

If you were the Giants and you had a 1st rd grade for Brian Branch or even Joey Porter Jr would you consider trading 2024 1st rd pick to move up to grab one of them and really solidify the Corner/ SFTY position?

From what I've heard Branch is extremely versatile and can play any Safty position and Slot Corner ... but I wouldn't want to give up any more picks in this years draft. Giants would still have their 2nd and 3rd rd picks to address IOL

I think I would do that ... the only problem is you wouldn't be able to lock them up for the 5 years of a 1st rd pick

 

[IrishTwinkie]

If you were the Giants and you had a 1st rd grade for Brian Branch or even Joey Porter Jr would you consider trading 2024 1st rd pick to move up to grab one of them and really solidify the Corner/ SFTY position?

From what I've heard Branch is extremely versatile and can play any Safty position and Slot Corner ... but I wouldn't want to give up any more picks in this years draft. Giants would still have their 2nd and 3rd rd picks to address IOL

I think I would do that ... the only problem is you wouldn't be able to lock them up for the 5 years of a 1st rd pick

I’m not sure I like giving up first round pick for a second round pick this year. But I like they idea of either of those guys if they slip.

I really want OLine tho. I’m so tired of crappy OLine play.

 

[RC94]

First 2 rounds have been great. Best case scenario IMO. They should have 2 week 1 starters with those picks.

 

[The Frankman]

Giants selected Minnesota C John Michael Schmitz with the No. 57 overall pick in the 2023 NFL Draft.​

One of the oldest prospects in the draft class, Schmitz (6'3/301) racked up reps blocking for an uber-productive rushing attack in Minnesota. Don't overthink his age, though. Schmitz was responsible for guiding even some of the most unremarkable running backs to 1,000-yard seasons. Additionally, offensive linemen have some of the best longevity in the sport, so Schmitz will simply be in the right place at the right time for years to come. While his 6.7 RAS may be cause for concern, he had a remarkable 4.56 shuttle, landing him in the 80th percentile among centers. The tape backs up this time, as his steady yet quick-processing approach to the game served him well throughout his college career. The four-time Academic All-B1G team member is clinical in both the pass and run games. Schmitz has great timing in dropping anchor when he does find the correct position to do so. Rarely losing in the play leverage battle, Schmitz will need to clean up the other aspects of leverage. The lack of agility translates to poor balance at times, but Schmitz's potential to unlock runs in a zone scheme may be unmatched among his rookie peers.
- NBCSportsEDGE

 

[tribe]

Hyatt, Schmitz, and banks were all mocked to giants in the first round in a lot of places. And they just got all of them. Nice job Schoen.

 

[travdogg]

You guys are killing it. Every pick has been a good value.

 

[The Frankman]

Giants selected Tennessee WR Jalin Hyatt with the No. 73 overall pick in the 2023 NFL Draft.​

A freshman non-factor under lame duck coach Butch Jones in 2020, Hyatt (6’0/176) suffered through an injury-marred 2021 under Josh Heupel. Then he put everything together in Heupel’s RPO/play-action heavy spread in 2022, exploding for 67/1,267/15 en route to first-team All-American honors. Hyatt is something of a tough eval because he’s a speedster who tested “slower” than expected at 4.40 while much of his college film features him running in wide-open space thanks to Heupel’s beautifully-designed offense. He also bombed his agility drills in the pre-draft process. Hyatt does ramp up quickly, creating space both deep and at the short-to-intermediate levels. He is a very dangerous man in the manufactured touch department. Still five months shy of his 22nd birthday, Hyatt has the makings of a classic boom/bust prospect at the NFL level.

Honestly, i would rather have had his teammate Cedric Tillman, more of a complete WR and arguably more athletic. Taking into stock how much Giants factor the Combine into their process, kinda weird pick. I mean he's good value in the 3rd doe.

 

[IrishTwinkie]

I’m liking all these picks so far. I feel Schoen is doing a great job here.

 

[Yenrub]

Giants selected Tennessee WR Jalin Hyatt with the No. 73 overall pick in the 2023 NFL Draft.​

A freshman non-factor under lame duck coach Butch Jones in 2020, Hyatt (6’0/176) suffered through an injury-marred 2021 under Josh Heupel. Then he put everything together in Heupel’s RPO/play-action heavy spread in 2022, exploding for 67/1,267/15 en route to first-team All-American honors. Hyatt is something of a tough eval because he’s a speedster who tested “slower” than expected at 4.40 while much of his college film features him running in wide-open space thanks to Heupel’s beautifully-designed offense. He also bombed his agility drills in the pre-draft process. Hyatt does ramp up quickly, creating space both deep and at the short-to-intermediate levels. He is a very dangerous man in the manufactured touch department. Still five months shy of his 22nd birthday, Hyatt has the makings of a classic boom/bust prospect at the NFL level.

Honestly, i would rather have had his teammate Cedric Tillman, more of a complete WR and arguably more athletic. Taking into stock how much Giants factor the Combine into their process, kinda weird pick. I mean he's good value in the 3rd doe.

Tilman went one pick after the Giants to the Browns

Tilman 6’3 - 4.5 forty – 37 vert – 10ft 8in broad jump – CBS rating 80.87 (chance to start)

Hyatt 6’0 – 4.4 forty – 40 vert – 11ft 3in broad jump – CBS rating 82.63 (long term starter)

 

[Qammy]

Giants selected Tennessee WR Jalin Hyatt with the No. 73 overall pick in the 2023 NFL Draft.​

A freshman non-factor under lame duck coach Butch Jones in 2020, Hyatt (6’0/176) suffered through an injury-marred 2021 under Josh Heupel. Then he put everything together in Heupel’s RPO/play-action heavy spread in 2022, exploding for 67/1,267/15 en route to first-team All-American honors. Hyatt is something of a tough eval because he’s a speedster who tested “slower” than expected at 4.40 while much of his college film features him running in wide-open space thanks to Heupel’s beautifully-designed offense. He also bombed his agility drills in the pre-draft process. Hyatt does ramp up quickly, creating space both deep and at the short-to-intermediate levels. He is a very dangerous man in the manufactured touch department. Still five months shy of his 22nd birthday, Hyatt has the makings of a classic boom/bust prospect at the NFL level.

Honestly, i would rather have had his teammate Cedric Tillman, more of a complete WR and arguably more athletic. Taking into stock how much Giants factor the Combine into their process, kinda weird pick. I mean he's good value in the 3rd doe.

Most have Hyatt ranked above Tillman ... I personally think Tillman is a better fit, Tillman is much bigger, something they need more of but definitely not more athletic then Hyatt.

 

[Qammy]

Yeah Giants are killing it ... these 3 picks might be better than the 11 picks they had in last years draft
All 3 should start day 1 ... Giants WR/TE group is loaded !

Frankenberry might like this from Hyatts NFL.com profile

Sources Tell Us
“When you have someone who can run like Hyatt you get explosive catches but it also really benefits your running game because safeties can’t get involved as much. He reminds me a lot of watching Will Fuller when he was healthy.” -- Director of scouting for NFC team

It will be tuff to cover Hyatt/Wan'dale, Waller, Slayton and Hilton

 

[jhib]

Yeah Giants are killing it ... these 3 picks might be better than the 11 picks they had in last years draft

Now if they can just stay healthy unlike last year's group...

 

[Yenrub]

Yeah Giants are killing it ... these 3 picks might be better than the 11 picks they had in last years draft
All 3 should start day 1 ... Giants WR/TE group is loaded !

Frankenberry might like this from Hyatts NFL.com profile

Sources Tell Us
“When you have someone who can run like Hyatt you get explosive catches but it also really benefits your running game because safeties can’t get involved as much. He reminds me a lot of watching Will Fuller when he was healthy.” -- Director of scouting for NFC team

It will be tuff to cover Hyatt/Wan'dale, Waller, Slayton and Hilton

I found this statement from the CBS draft tracker interesting ...."Burner who plays actually faster than his 4.40 time"
From what I have read he isn't the best route runner, but that speed is very nice to have.

 

[The Big Donkey]

Frankenberry.

that may stick.

 

[Yenrub]

It looks like the Giants got some great value based on some pre-draft rankings

Player	Drafted	CBS rank	PFF rank	Jeremiah
Banks	24th	10	18	24
JMS	57th	37	35	48
Hyatt	73rd	61	55	42

 

[The Frankman]

@Yenrub - Yeah, limited route tree as per the Will Fuller comp. He might be able to learn slant/crossing patterns the Giants O ran last year but he's definitely not a "route running technician". The spread O he ran in college he won't have as a Giant; he'll primarily be a lid-lifter unless he has an epiphany in training camp.

EDIT: That's why I kinda liked Tillman more, I see a lot more comps of him being a more athletic Isaiah Hodgins, which in the Giants offense is not bad; think of a tall receiver who has enough speed to run crossers/posts/short slants/go deep and still win at the point of attack.