2024-25 NBA Thread: posters rush in to make final bad Bronny takes before thread locks (36 Viewers)

[Kev4029]

Spurs are fine. Sure it's an overpay for Fox, but I'm sure this deal was basically agreed to back in February when the Spurs acquired Fox for pennies on the dollar. We still have two years of Wemby on a rookie deal, Castle for three, and Harper for four. I'm pretty sure any below average salary cap wonk can navigate these waters with ease. Absolutely no surprises revealed yesterday.

It's not just the crazy overpay, it's also the fact that he is a poor fit with all of their young players as none of them can really shoot other than Wemby and they all should have the ball in their hands more than they will.

If he plays similarly to his 17 games with the Spurs last year, that contract is an absolute albatross. Here is the list of NBA starting quality PGs in their late 20s or older with below average jump shots: De'Aaron Fox. There aren't many small PGs that have aged gracefully into their 30s in the last couple decades and nearly all of them were perennial All-NBA types. The only two that I can really think of off the top of my head that weren't that type of player were Kyle Lowry and Mike Conley.

There were a lot of things not going right late last season for the Spurs, chief among them Fox's broken/dislocated finger on his shooting hand, and even before the DVT diagnosis, Wemby was looking fatigued, a lot. I would not use the end of last season as a guide.

Regarding age, Fox is 27. I don't see a problem with a 4-year deal. Might want to frame this pitch a little better.

Regarding fit, it's going to take a minute to figure out some stuff, but theoretically having two of three (Fox, Castle, and Harper) on the floor at all times - and Wemby - is going to be a huge problem for opponents. Sure there will be growing pains, and I'll be here it - all of it!

Its' a 4 year extension starting in his age 29 season (he was already under contract for this year - he turns 28 in December). I would challenge you to find a PG who was even competitive for all-star selection in his 30s without a legit jumper other than Russell Westbrook. And it's not like Fox is ascending, either. He has taken big steps back each of the last two seasons.

I thought it was a fair trade at the time but since then Fox has underwhelmed, they got lucky with Harper, and they paid him this much ****ing money. In his age 32 season, he'll be making 32% of the salary cap and I don't think he'll be a starting caliber point guard.

 

[Mister CIA]

Its' a 4 year extension starting in his age 29 season (he was already under contract for this year - he turns 28 in December). I would challenge you to find a PG who was even competitive for all-star selection in his 30s without a legit jumper other than Russell Westbrook. And it's not like Fox is ascending, either. He has taken big steps back each of the last two seasons.

I thought it was a fair trade at the time but since then Fox has underwhelmed, they got lucky with Harper, and they paid him this much ****ing money. In his age 32 season, he'll be making 32% of the salary cap and I don't think he'll be a starting caliber point guard.

Challenge accepted! Tony Parker.

 

[Kev4029]

Its' a 4 year extension starting in his age 29 season (he was already under contract for this year - he turns 28 in December). I would challenge you to find a PG who was even competitive for all-star selection in his 30s without a legit jumper other than Russell Westbrook. And it's not like Fox is ascending, either. He has taken big steps back each of the last two seasons.

I thought it was a fair trade at the time but since then Fox has underwhelmed, they got lucky with Harper, and they paid him this much ****ing money. In his age 32 season, he'll be making 32% of the salary cap and I don't think he'll be a starting caliber point guard.

Challenge accepted! Tony Parker.

I should have seen that one coming... Got me there.

 

[identikit]

Celtic trade, per Shams:

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1952824522052088018

 

[Major]

Its' a 4 year extension starting in his age 29 season (he was already under contract for this year - he turns 28 in December). I would challenge you to find a PG who was even competitive for all-star selection in his 30s without a legit jumper other than Russell Westbrook. And it's not like Fox is ascending, either. He has taken big steps back each of the last two seasons.

I thought it was a fair trade at the time but since then Fox has underwhelmed, they got lucky with Harper, and they paid him this much ****ing money. In his age 32 season, he'll be making 32% of the salary cap and I don't think he'll be a starting caliber point guard.

Challenge accepted! Tony Parker.

Vinny Del Negro enters the chat

 

[Mister CIA]

Its' a 4 year extension starting in his age 29 season (he was already under contract for this year - he turns 28 in December). I would challenge you to find a PG who was even competitive for all-star selection in his 30s without a legit jumper other than Russell Westbrook. And it's not like Fox is ascending, either. He has taken big steps back each of the last two seasons.

I thought it was a fair trade at the time but since then Fox has underwhelmed, they got lucky with Harper, and they paid him this much ****ing money. In his age 32 season, he'll be making 32% of the salary cap and I don't think he'll be a starting caliber point guard.

Challenge accepted! Tony Parker.

Vinny Del Negro enters the chat

Master of the hair fake. I remember it well, and not fondly.

 

[thecatch]

Spurs are fine. Sure it's an overpay for Fox, but I'm sure this deal was basically agreed to back in February when the Spurs acquired Fox for pennies on the dollar. We still have two years of Wemby on a rookie deal, Castle for three, and Harper for four. I'm pretty sure any below average salary cap wonk can navigate these waters with ease. Absolutely no surprises revealed yesterday.

It's not just the crazy overpay, it's also the fact that he is a poor fit with all of their young players as none of them can really shoot other than Wemby and they all should have the ball in their hands more than they will.

If he plays similarly to his 17 games with the Spurs last year, that contract is an absolute albatross. Here is the list of NBA starting quality PGs in their late 20s or older with below average jump shots: De'Aaron Fox. There aren't many small PGs that have aged gracefully into their 30s in the last couple decades and nearly all of them were perennial All-NBA types. The only two that I can really think of off the top of my head that weren't that type of player were Kyle Lowry and Mike Conley.

There were a lot of things not going right late last season for the Spurs, chief among them Fox's broken/dislocated finger on his shooting hand, and even before the DVT diagnosis, Wemby was looking fatigued, a lot. I would not use the end of last season as a guide.

Regarding age, Fox is 27. I don't see a problem with a 4-year deal. Might want to frame this pitch a little better.

Regarding fit, it's going to take a minute to figure out some stuff, but theoretically having two of three (Fox, Castle, and Harper) on the floor at all times - and Wemby - is going to be a huge problem for opponents. Sure there will be growing pains, and I'll be here for it - all of it!

Why is having two non-shooting guards on the floor a huge problem for opponents? To be fair, Fox has stretches where he can shoot pretty well, but in general that's a recipe for packing the paint and making life tough for Wemby.

If you think 30-year-old, step-slower Fox is still going to be a max player, you haven't seen Fox play enough yet.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Teams should let more players hit free agency.

Since most teams are staying over the cap, the danger of losing a player as an UFA isn’t that great. I can understand extending true superstars or if the player is conceding money for security but not for these near-max salaried, lower-tiered stars.

 

[Kev4029]

Teams should let more players hit free agency.

Since most teams are staying over the cap, the danger of losing a player as an UFA isn’t that great. I can understand extending true superstars or if the player is conceding money for security but not for these near-max salaried, lower-tiered stars.

The struggle is usually the Bird Rights trap (not necessarily in Fox's case) - where if players leave and the team gets no compensation, they only have a midlevel exception to replace the player so the risk of losing the player without a replacement outweighs the reward of getting a player for cheaper.

 

[Capella]

Alright I forgot to close this one down lol. @FBG Moderator can you lock this please

 

[Jayrod]

Go Celtics!!

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Aren't the "bad contracts" all relative though, so long as the cap continues to increase? The max contracts and how they are calculated and structured just makes things look crazy and the player are making generational money, but compared to the revenue of the NBA and the cap etc., the "bad" deals are really the ones being given to overly aged vets, but the service time and max contract concept make that a necessary evil. And with the stretch and buyout and Houston rules, can't those deals be mitigated due to injury or being 40 years old?

Not sure what you are trying to say, here, exactly - the fact you can buy somebody out or stretch their contract doesn't help the situation that much, those are pretty costly ways to deal with the situation. With the cap only going up 10% recently, the contractual raises built into these deals are almost keeping up with cap inflation.

Slight tangent, but I heard on a podcast this week (Hollinger, maybe?) that players are really only taking home about 90% of their contracted for salary due to the CBA. Players are guaranteed a certain amount of basketball related income, but the value of all the player contracts in the league has actually been exceeding that. So part of every player's contract goes into escrow throughout the year, and the teams keep the escrowed amount if necessary to maintain the negotiated split in total BRI.

Hollinger and Duncan were talking about and the escrow rules. Not saying anyone should cry for the players, but it is interesting when you really think about how much they lose between that, agents, taxes etc

 

[Frostillicus]

 

[the moops]

Here is the list of NBA starting quality PGs in their late 20s or older with below average jump shots: De'Aaron Fox.

Ja Morant. Dejounte Murray.

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

Zesty KAT