2024 College Football Thread: Ohio State advances to play unbeaten hypothetical SEC team (6 Viewers)

[Long Ball Larry]

They can't find $100K in the couch cushions of the UNLV donor lounge???

Jerry Tarkanian is rolling over in his grave

 

[Long Ball Larry]

The pearl-clutching astounds me. I guess it was easier to pretend it wasn’t going on 50 years ago?

I want to respond to like five posts with “now?”

 

[Capella]

The pearl-clutching astounds me. I guess it was easier to pretend it wasn’t going on 50 years ago?

Once the playoffs start, it's gonna be the best thing ever--again.

This 12 team playoff might be the best year in year out event this side of the NCAA Tournament.

There will be 5 sec teams and 3-4 big ten teams and the 12 seed will be somebody like unlv who gets sandblasted 52-10 at the home of the sec runner up. It will be fun but it won’t be anything at all like the ncaa tournament.

 

[General Malaise]

The pearl-clutching astounds me. I guess it was easier to pretend it wasn’t going on 50 years ago?

Or that college coaches never had ANY problems taking other jobs for more money and leaving their teams high and dry. Brian Kelley, Willie Taggart, Mario Cristobal are just 3 recent examples of highly paid coaches who talk a big game about responsibility and honor and loyalty and quit on their teams to chase more prestige.

But a college kid looks out for himself and OH MY GOD, WHAT A SNAKE!!!!1111

F that.

 

[General Malaise]

The pearl-clutching astounds me. I guess it was easier to pretend it wasn’t going on 50 years ago?

Once the playoffs start, it's gonna be the best thing ever--again.

This 12 team playoff might be the best year in year out event this side of the NCAA Tournament.

You say that now - wait until it's an all SEC Final Four this year and then tell me how awesome this is.

 

[Yo Mama]

The pearl-clutching astounds me. I guess it was easier to pretend it wasn’t going on 50 years ago?

Once the playoffs start, it's gonna be the best thing ever--again.

This 12 team playoff might be the best year in year out event this side of the NCAA Tournament.

There will be 5 sec teams and 3-4 big ten teams and the 12 seed will be somebody like unlv who gets sandblasted 52-10 at the home of the sec runner up. It will be fun but it won’t be anything at all like the ncaa tournament.

And how many playoff games will potentially be repeats (or even three-peats) of regular season and/or conference title games.

 

[Todem]

The pearl-clutching astounds me. I guess it was easier to pretend it wasn’t going on 50 years ago?

Or that college coaches never had ANY problems taking other jobs for more money and leaving their teams high and dry. Brian Kelley, Willie Taggart, Mario Cristobal are just 3 recent examples of highly paid coaches who talk a big game about responsibility and honor and loyalty and quit on their teams to chase more prestige.

But a college kid looks out for himself and OH MY GOD, WHAT A SNAKE!!!!1111

F that.

I think this is where the blur is occuring.

“College Kids”

Like these are student athletes.

That’s a total joke now. 25 and 26 year old dudes who never graduate and play for money….in college.

“Students” who hop from team to team to team.

While I get this cavalier approach “well coaches are not loyal” the sheer amount of so called “college student athletes” in comparison to coaches jumping ship is 1000 to 1 easy.

Let’s stop this nonsense of comparing. Things have been completely turned on it’s head with Division 1 college athletics.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

The pearl-clutching astounds me. I guess it was easier to pretend it wasn’t going on 50 years ago?

Or that college coaches never had ANY problems taking other jobs for more money and leaving their teams high and dry. Brian Kelley, Willie Taggart, Mario Cristobal are just 3 recent examples of highly paid coaches who talk a big game about responsibility and honor and loyalty and quit on their teams to chase more prestige.

But a college kid looks out for himself and OH MY GOD, WHAT A SNAKE!!!!1111

F that.

I think this is where the blur is occuring.

“College Kids”

Like these are student athletes.

That’s a total joke now. 25 and 26 year old dudes who never graduate and play for money….in college.

these “student athletes “ who play for money are the labor for a business that the ncaa and schools created that makes hundreds of millions (billions?) of dollars per year. If the schools weren’t jumping conferences every chance they get in order to take more money from tv networks, I would probably be more sympathetic to this argument. And I’m not saying that there’s not an argument that it might a better experience for everyone if college athletics were still more provincial and about “student athletes” and just the love of the school. But the schools opened this Pandora’s box decades ago in their pursuit of more money. Then coaches said hey I’m helping you (purportedly make all this money , so I should get more and if not, I’m going to leave, which is their right and which probably represents more than half of all coaches today (maybe closer to 100% than 50%). And then eventually players said look at all this money you have that you wouldn’t have without us and why shouldn’t we get some? And sure, is there something a little distasteful about a few players “exploiting” that system and being really far removed from the “true spirit “ of college athletics? Maybe. But the chain of events that set this all in motion started so many decades ago and had nothing to do with the players themselves.

 

[General Malaise]

The pearl-clutching astounds me. I guess it was easier to pretend it wasn’t going on 50 years ago?

Or that college coaches never had ANY problems taking other jobs for more money and leaving their teams high and dry. Brian Kelley, Willie Taggart, Mario Cristobal are just 3 recent examples of highly paid coaches who talk a big game about responsibility and honor and loyalty and quit on their teams to chase more prestige.

But a college kid looks out for himself and OH MY GOD, WHAT A SNAKE!!!!1111

F that.

I think this is where the blur is occuring.

“College Kids”

Like these are student athletes.

That’s a total joke now. 25 and 26 year old dudes who never graduate and play for money….in college.

“Students” who hop from team to team to team.

While I get this cavalier approach “well coaches are not loyal” the sheer amount of so called “college student athletes” in comparison to coaches jumping ship is 1000 to 1 easy.

Let’s stop this nonsense of comparing. Things have been completely turned on it’s head with Division 1 college athletics.

Anybody over the age of 18 is considered an adult. They are free to make business decisions that are in their best interest. Only up until very recently, they were nothing more than indentured servants. Ask Baker Mayfield how he was treated as a "college kid". It was criminal how Texas Tech handled his transfer to OU. Petty, vindictive, criminal and that was not that long ago.

Meanwhile, all the other grownups in college football, aka the coaches, admin, ADs etc were free to move about and chase more money anytime they liked. That, my friend, has a word - HYPOCRICY!!!

College football has been dirty for decades, long before you and I started roaming this planet. At least now, the pay for play is out in the open and players have agency over their own careers. I get not liking it because maybe we want our heros to remain loyal to laundry, but F that, man. Go get yours! Before you get injured like Marshon Lattimore who never got a chance to make millions because South Carolina destroyed his legs.

How many college football players will make the NFL? 2%? 4%? It's not a lot. College football has profited handsomely off the backs of 18-22 year old men for over a century so it's about damn time - past damn time - for the players to get a piece of the pie and go wherever the waters are warmest for them.

 

[Capella]

The pearl-clutching astounds me. I guess it was easier to pretend it wasn’t going on 50 years ago?

Or that college coaches never had ANY problems taking other jobs for more money and leaving their teams high and dry. Brian Kelley, Willie Taggart, Mario Cristobal are just 3 recent examples of highly paid coaches who talk a big game about responsibility and honor and loyalty and quit on their teams to chase more prestige.

But a college kid looks out for himself and OH MY GOD, WHAT A SNAKE!!!!1111

F that.

I think this is where the blur is occuring.

“College Kids”

Like these are student athletes.

That’s a total joke now. 25 and 26 year old dudes who never graduate and play for money….in college.

“Students” who hop from team to team to team.

While I get this cavalier approach “well coaches are not loyal” the sheer amount of so called “college student athletes” in comparison to coaches jumping ship is 1000 to 1 easy.

Let’s stop this nonsense of comparing. Things have been completely turned on it’s head with Division 1 college athletics.

Anybody over the age of 18 is considered an adult. They are free to make business decisions that are in their best interest. Only up until very recently, they were nothing more than indentured servants. Ask Baker Mayfield how he was treated as a "college kid". It was criminal how Texas Tech handled his transfer to OU. Petty, vindictive, criminal and that was not that long ago.

Meanwhile, all the other grownups in college football, aka the coaches, admin, ADs etc were free to move about and chase more money anytime they liked. That, my friend, has a word - HYPOCRICY!!!

College football has been dirty for decades, long before you and I started roaming this planet. At least now, the pay for play is out in the open and players have agency over their own careers. I get not liking it because maybe we want our heros to remain loyal to laundry, but F that, man. Go get yours! Before you get injured like Marshon Lattimore who never got a chance to make millions because South Carolina destroyed his legs.

How many college football players will make the NFL? 2%? 4%? It's not a lot. College football has profited handsomely off the backs of 18-22 year old men for over a century so it's about damn time - past damn time - for the players to get a piece of the pie and go wherever the waters are warmest for them.

hell yea. Glad the hypocrisy and stupidity of everybody involved with this sport is being aired out.

 

[Yo Mama]

Schools changing conferences has ruined college sports for me more than players changing schools.

 

[bigbottom]

The pearl-clutching astounds me. I guess it was easier to pretend it wasn’t going on 50 years ago?

Or that college coaches never had ANY problems taking other jobs for more money and leaving their teams high and dry. Brian Kelley, Willie Taggart, Mario Cristobal are just 3 recent examples of highly paid coaches who talk a big game about responsibility and honor and loyalty and quit on their teams to chase more prestige.

But a college kid looks out for himself and OH MY GOD, WHAT A SNAKE!!!!1111

F that.

I think this is where the blur is occuring.

“College Kids”

Like these are student athletes.

That’s a total joke now. 25 and 26 year old dudes who never graduate and play for money….in college.

“Students” who hop from team to team to team.

While I get this cavalier approach “well coaches are not loyal” the sheer amount of so called “college student athletes” in comparison to coaches jumping ship is 1000 to 1 easy.

Let’s stop this nonsense of comparing. Things have been completely turned on it’s head with Division 1 college athletics.

Anybody over the age of 18 is considered an adult. They are free to make business decisions that are in their best interest. Only up until very recently, they were nothing more than indentured servants. Ask Baker Mayfield how he was treated as a "college kid". It was criminal how Texas Tech handled his transfer to OU. Petty, vindictive, criminal and that was not that long ago.

Meanwhile, all the other grownups in college football, aka the coaches, admin, ADs etc were free to move about and chase more money anytime they liked. That, my friend, has a word - HYPOCRICY!!!

College football has been dirty for decades, long before you and I started roaming this planet. At least now, the pay for play is out in the open and players have agency over their own careers. I get not liking it because maybe we want our heros to remain loyal to laundry, but F that, man. Go get yours! Before you get injured like Marshon Lattimore who never got a chance to make millions because South Carolina destroyed his legs.

How many college football players will make the NFL? 2%? 4%? It's not a lot. College football has profited handsomely off the backs of 18-22 year old men for over a century so it's about damn time - past damn time - for the players to get a piece of the pie and go wherever the waters are warmest for them.

Wow, this is super compelling.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

The pearl-clutching astounds me. I guess it was easier to pretend it wasn’t going on 50 years ago?

Once the playoffs start, it's gonna be the best thing ever--again.

This 12 team playoff might be the best year in year out event this side of the NCAA Tournament.

There will be 5 sec teams and 3-4 big ten teams and the 12 seed will be somebody like unlv who gets sandblasted 52-10 at the home of the sec runner up. It will be fun but it won’t be anything at all like the ncaa tournament.

Yep, a first round game with Penn State against Tennessee, Ole Miss, Alabama, Texas or Georgia will likely be uncompetitive, IMO. The G5 team has no chance. This isn't going to be a Fiesta Bowl against a 9-3 team disappointed to be there with 8 players sitting out.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Bear Alexander of USC is now redshirting himself. He will be transferring to his 7th school in 8 years since he was a freshman in high school. Sounds like someone Auburn will overpay for.

 

[Todem]

The pearl-clutching astounds me. I guess it was easier to pretend it wasn’t going on 50 years ago?

Or that college coaches never had ANY problems taking other jobs for more money and leaving their teams high and dry. Brian Kelley, Willie Taggart, Mario Cristobal are just 3 recent examples of highly paid coaches who talk a big game about responsibility and honor and loyalty and quit on their teams to chase more prestige.

But a college kid looks out for himself and OH MY GOD, WHAT A SNAKE!!!!1111

F that.

I think this is where the blur is occuring.

“College Kids”

Like these are student athletes.

That’s a total joke now. 25 and 26 year old dudes who never graduate and play for money….in college.

these “student athletes “ who play for money are the labor for a business that the ncaa and schools created that makes hundreds of millions (billions?) of dollars per year. If the schools weren’t jumping conferences every chance they get in order to take more money from tv networks, I would probably be more sympathetic to this argument. And I’m not saying that there’s not an argument that it might a better experience for everyone if college athletics were still more provincial and about “student athletes” and just the love of the school. But the schools opened this Pandora’s box decades ago in their pursuit of more money. Then coaches said hey I’m helping you (purportedly make all this money , so I should get more and if not, I’m going to leave, which is their right and which probably represents more than half of all coaches today (maybe closer to 100% than 50%). And then eventually players said look at all this money you have that you wouldn’t have without us and why shouldn’t we get some? And sure, is there something a little distasteful about a few players “exploiting” that system and being really far removed from the “true spirit “ of college athletics? Maybe. But the chain of events that set this all in motion started so many decades ago and had nothing to do with the players themselves.

I don’t disagree…..but now the real snowball affects are going to take shape….and it’s just all……bad.

 

[Todem]

The pearl-clutching astounds me. I guess it was easier to pretend it wasn’t going on 50 years ago?

Or that college coaches never had ANY problems taking other jobs for more money and leaving their teams high and dry. Brian Kelley, Willie Taggart, Mario Cristobal are just 3 recent examples of highly paid coaches who talk a big game about responsibility and honor and loyalty and quit on their teams to chase more prestige.

But a college kid looks out for himself and OH MY GOD, WHAT A SNAKE!!!!1111

F that.

I think this is where the blur is occuring.

“College Kids”

Like these are student athletes.

That’s a total joke now. 25 and 26 year old dudes who never graduate and play for money….in college.

“Students” who hop from team to team to team.

While I get this cavalier approach “well coaches are not loyal” the sheer amount of so called “college student athletes” in comparison to coaches jumping ship is 1000 to 1 easy.

Let’s stop this nonsense of comparing. Things have been completely turned on it’s head with Division 1 college athletics.

Anybody over the age of 18 is considered an adult. They are free to make business decisions that are in their best interest. Only up until very recently, they were nothing more than indentured servants. Ask Baker Mayfield how he was treated as a "college kid". It was criminal how Texas Tech handled his transfer to OU. Petty, vindictive, criminal and that was not that long ago.

Meanwhile, all the other grownups in college football, aka the coaches, admin, ADs etc were free to move about and chase more money anytime they liked. That, my friend, has a word - HYPOCRICY!!!

College football has been dirty for decades, long before you and I started roaming this planet. At least now, the pay for play is out in the open and players have agency over their own careers. I get not liking it because maybe we want our heros to remain loyal to laundry, but F that, man. Go get yours! Before you get injured like Marshon Lattimore who never got a chance to make millions because South Carolina destroyed his legs.

How many college football players will make the NFL? 2%? 4%? It's not a lot. College football has profited handsomely off the backs of 18-22 year old men for over a century so it's about damn time - past damn time - for the players to get a piece of the pie and go wherever the waters are warmest for them.

Probably less than 2%

And I don’t disagree with you guys…..it just reeks from the top to the bottom.

 

[General Malaise]

Schools changing conferences has ruined college sports for me more than players changing schools.

I got over this when the Southwest Conference folded. In 1996.

 

[General Malaise]

TE Cam McCormick is in his NINTH year of college football for Miami. Nine.

 

[Todem]

TE Cam McCormick is in his NINTH year of college football for Miami. Nine.

Lol It’s literally nuts.

 

[bigbottom]

Bear Alexander of USC is now redshirting himself. He will be transferring to his 7th school in 8 years since he was a freshman in high school. Sounds like someone Auburn will overpay for.

He was losing playing time and becoming increasingly toxic and disgruntled. There were lots of signs there when he came over from Georgia. I think his dad is really doing him no favors.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

The pearl-clutching astounds me. I guess it was easier to pretend it wasn’t going on 50 years ago?

Or that college coaches never had ANY problems taking other jobs for more money and leaving their teams high and dry. Brian Kelley, Willie Taggart, Mario Cristobal are just 3 recent examples of highly paid coaches who talk a big game about responsibility and honor and loyalty and quit on their teams to chase more prestige.

But a college kid looks out for himself and OH MY GOD, WHAT A SNAKE!!!!1111

F that.

I think this is where the blur is occuring.

“College Kids”

Like these are student athletes.

That’s a total joke now. 25 and 26 year old dudes who never graduate and play for money….in college.

“Students” who hop from team to team to team.

While I get this cavalier approach “well coaches are not loyal” the sheer amount of so called “college student athletes” in comparison to coaches jumping ship is 1000 to 1 easy.

Let’s stop this nonsense of comparing. Things have been completely turned on it’s head with Division 1 college athletics.

Anybody over the age of 18 is considered an adult. They are free to make business decisions that are in their best interest. Only up until very recently, they were nothing more than indentured servants. Ask Baker Mayfield how he was treated as a "college kid". It was criminal how Texas Tech handled his transfer to OU. Petty, vindictive, criminal and that was not that long ago.

Meanwhile, all the other grownups in college football, aka the coaches, admin, ADs etc were free to move about and chase more money anytime they liked. That, my friend, has a word - HYPOCRICY!!!

College football has been dirty for decades, long before you and I started roaming this planet. At least now, the pay for play is out in the open and players have agency over their own careers. I get not liking it because maybe we want our heros to remain loyal to laundry, but F that, man. Go get yours! Before you get injured like Marshon Lattimore who never got a chance to make millions because South Carolina destroyed his legs.

How many college football players will make the NFL? 2%? 4%? It's not a lot. College football has profited handsomely off the backs of 18-22 year old men for over a century so it's about damn time - past damn time - for the players to get a piece of the pie and go wherever the waters are warmest for them.

Well the word is actually "Hyporcisy" but other than that I agree

 

[Capella]

And I don’t disagree with you guys…..it just reeks from the top to the bottom.

It’s always reeked. They should just make them employees. Easy fix.

 

[General Malaise]

The pearl-clutching astounds me. I guess it was easier to pretend it wasn’t going on 50 years ago?

Or that college coaches never had ANY problems taking other jobs for more money and leaving their teams high and dry. Brian Kelley, Willie Taggart, Mario Cristobal are just 3 recent examples of highly paid coaches who talk a big game about responsibility and honor and loyalty and quit on their teams to chase more prestige.

But a college kid looks out for himself and OH MY GOD, WHAT A SNAKE!!!!1111

F that.

I think this is where the blur is occuring.

“College Kids”

Like these are student athletes.

That’s a total joke now. 25 and 26 year old dudes who never graduate and play for money….in college.

“Students” who hop from team to team to team.

While I get this cavalier approach “well coaches are not loyal” the sheer amount of so called “college student athletes” in comparison to coaches jumping ship is 1000 to 1 easy.

Let’s stop this nonsense of comparing. Things have been completely turned on it’s head with Division 1 college athletics.

Anybody over the age of 18 is considered an adult. They are free to make business decisions that are in their best interest. Only up until very recently, they were nothing more than indentured servants. Ask Baker Mayfield how he was treated as a "college kid". It was criminal how Texas Tech handled his transfer to OU. Petty, vindictive, criminal and that was not that long ago.

Meanwhile, all the other grownups in college football, aka the coaches, admin, ADs etc were free to move about and chase more money anytime they liked. That, my friend, has a word - HYPOCRICY!!!

College football has been dirty for decades, long before you and I started roaming this planet. At least now, the pay for play is out in the open and players have agency over their own careers. I get not liking it because maybe we want our heros to remain loyal to laundry, but F that, man. Go get yours! Before you get injured like Marshon Lattimore who never got a chance to make millions because South Carolina destroyed his legs.

How many college football players will make the NFL? 2%? 4%? It's not a lot. College football has profited handsomely off the backs of 18-22 year old men for over a century so it's about damn time - past damn time - for the players to get a piece of the pie and go wherever the waters are warmest for them.

Well the word is actually "Hyporcisy" but other than that I agree

I've learned that Spell Check doesn't work when you scream in ALL CAPS!!!1111

 

[WDIK2]

TE Cam McCormick is in his NINTH year of college football for Miami. Nine.

Ahem. That is Dr. TE Cam McCormick. Thank you very much.

 

[massraider]

I don’t disagree…..but now the real snowball affects are going to take shape….and it’s just all……bad

How?

The system we have allowed Jayden Daniels and Penix to be where they were last year. It was the best thing for them, for their career, and I think we can say it made for better enjoyment for the fan.

What are the snowball effects that are bad?

 

[CletiusMaximus]

I don’t disagree…..but now the real snowball affects are going to take shape….and it’s just all……bad

How?

The system we have allowed Jayden Daniels and Penix to be where they were last year. It was the best thing for them, for their career, and I think we can say it made for better enjoyment for the fan.

What are the snowball effects that are bad?

The player movement and freedom from ridiculous historical restrictions is undoubtedly a good thing. It was only a few years ago a basketball player decided to move from Marquette across lake Michigan to MSU and was forced to sit out an entire year, in his athletic prime, for his insolence. I said at the time we would look back at this and be stunned we ever accepted or allowed the NCAA to rule over these unpaid servants and dictate when, where and how long they can play. We're barely 10 years removed from Tatoogate at Ohio State - which should be viewed with pure disgust imo that these fat cats thought it was perfectly appropriate to destroy young careers and penalize an entire program over this nonsense when they were all earning million dollar salaries from that free labor force. But at the same time, these half-measures will likely lead to some short term pain before they fully rip the bandaid off and drop the absurd pretentions of amateurism or the charade of the "student-athlete." Some kid moves to UNLV over an oral promise and ends up in this position where the money is pulled or doesn't materialize and he may have to quit on his team mid-season? That sucks and there will be likely more to come and worse before it gets better.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Updated NIL value chart shows two Texas quarterbacks in the top 5 overall. That seems like poor planning. Bronny's younger brother Bryce, now 17, is #18 on the list.

https://www.on3.com/nil/rankings/player/nil-100/

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Water always finds its own level. Might take a decade or so for this latest stuff to shake out, but it’ll get there.

 

[Gr00vus]

Would it help if we stopped calling it college football and started calling it semi-pro football? Maybe that would make what's going on more psychologically acceptable. Only thing left is to have congress make the NFL (and the NBA) get rid of their stupid age restrictions. And the draft.

 

[Instinctive]

Would it help if we stopped calling it college football and started calling it semi-pro football? Maybe that would make what's going on more psychologically acceptable. Only thing left is to have congress make the NFL (and the NBA) get rid of their stupid age restrictions. And the draft.

Well the draft is collectively bargained. Without the CBA, bargained and agreed to by the players unions, drafts would in fact be illegal (except possibly in baseball). So too are the age restrictions.

So Congress could I guess overall organized labor. I'd love that precedent. But both things are illegal except when collectively bargained already.

 

[FairWarning]

Schools changing conferences has ruined college sports for me more than players changing schools.

Yup. The schools that preach tradition do everything to destroy it - including Notre Dame. The biggest tradition is chasing money.

 

[brettdj]

Is it just me, or does Michigan have a lot of duplucate numbers between offense and defense?

That's what happens with large rosters. The rule is that you can't have 2 players with the same number on the field at the same time.

Yeah, I get the rule. Just seems like more than average overlap. Maybe im off

Many teams overlap the single digits. My game this week (officiating) will have 0, 2,3,4,5,6,8,10,11 for one team and 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,46,48 on the other as duplicate numbers.

 

[brettdj]

Wow terrible spot in the Colorado game.

Bad break but then followed up with a bad decision to use their final timeout after a first down.

If replay had stopped the game with the clock running to review it, does college do a ten second run off like the NFL does?

Yes, depending on the outcome of the review. If the spot you are talking about is the catch and progress that should have resulted in a first down? That play got on the Dean Blandino replay review meeting. Replay should have fixed the spot. Then replay would have adjusted the clock, because a first down stops the clock. The Colorado would have been able to line up and the clock would have started on the ready for play signal. It would have save Colorado about 20 seconds.
If replay takes a stopped clock and starts it, then there will be a 10s runoff.

 

[Gr00vus]

Would it help if we stopped calling it college football and started calling it semi-pro football? Maybe that would make what's going on more psychologically acceptable. Only thing left is to have congress make the NFL (and the NBA) get rid of their stupid age restrictions. And the draft.

Well the draft is collectively bargained. Without the CBA, bargained and agreed to by the players unions, drafts would in fact be illegal (except possibly in baseball). So too are the age restrictions.

So Congress could I guess overall organized labor. I'd love that precedent. But both things are illegal except when collectively bargained already.

That's true, but I don't think the players are the ones forcing the draft to be part of the CBAs at this point. I'm sure if players were given the option to determine who they played for themselves/through individual negotiation with the franchises at the start of their pro careers, they'd take it.

 

[Instinctive]

Would it help if we stopped calling it college football and started calling it semi-pro football? Maybe that would make what's going on more psychologically acceptable. Only thing left is to have congress make the NFL (and the NBA) get rid of their stupid age restrictions. And the draft.

Well the draft is collectively bargained. Without the CBA, bargained and agreed to by the players unions, drafts would in fact be illegal (except possibly in baseball). So too are the age restrictions.

So Congress could I guess overall organized labor. I'd love that precedent. But both things are illegal except when collectively bargained already.

That's true, but I don't think the players are the ones forcing the draft to be part of the CBAs at this point. I'm sure if players were given the option to determine who they played for themselves/through individual negotiation with the franchises at the start of their pro careers, they'd take it.

Sure. And they could make that choice. In exchange for less money. That's what collective bargaining is.

You're saying, effectively, "Yeah, but I'm sure they'd want more in every negotiation right?" Well...yeah. And if I owned a team I'd be like "we should have a standard salary scale that only pays for performance at the end of each season."

 

[massraider]

Would it help if we stopped calling it college football and started calling it semi-pro football?

Or people can stop using the NCAA definition of "student athlete" which they used to restrict players from signing endorsement deals.

People can be student athletes and also get paid to drive a car, or make a commercial.

People still think this is about salaries. It's not. Schools aren't paying students. These students are free to make money on their own, like any other student.

 

[Gr00vus]

Would it help if we stopped calling it college football and started calling it semi-pro football? Maybe that would make what's going on more psychologically acceptable. Only thing left is to have congress make the NFL (and the NBA) get rid of their stupid age restrictions. And the draft.

Well the draft is collectively bargained. Without the CBA, bargained and agreed to by the players unions, drafts would in fact be illegal (except possibly in baseball). So too are the age restrictions.

So Congress could I guess overall organized labor. I'd love that precedent. But both things are illegal except when collectively bargained already.

That's true, but I don't think the players are the ones forcing the draft to be part of the CBAs at this point. I'm sure if players were given the option to determine who they played for themselves/through individual negotiation with the franchises at the start of their pro careers, they'd take it.

Sure. And they could make that choice. In exchange for less money. That's what collective bargaining is.

You're saying, effectively, "Yeah, but I'm sure they'd want more in every negotiation right?" Well...yeah. And if I owned a team I'd be like "we should have a standard salary scale that only pays for performance at the end of each season."

No that's not what I'm effectively saying. I'm specifically saying they should get rid of the draft. There's other parts of CBAs they'd probably want to keep in exchange for reduced salary.

 

[Instinctive]

Would it help if we stopped calling it college football and started calling it semi-pro football? Maybe that would make what's going on more psychologically acceptable. Only thing left is to have congress make the NFL (and the NBA) get rid of their stupid age restrictions. And the draft.

Well the draft is collectively bargained. Without the CBA, bargained and agreed to by the players unions, drafts would in fact be illegal (except possibly in baseball). So too are the age restrictions.

So Congress could I guess overrule organized labor. I'd love that precedent. But both things are illegal except when collectively bargained already.

That's true, but I don't think the players are the ones forcing the draft to be part of the CBAs at this point. I'm sure if players were given the option to determine who they played for themselves/through individual negotiation with the franchises at the start of their pro careers, they'd take it.

Sure. And they could make that choice. In exchange for less money. That's what collective bargaining is.

You're saying, effectively, "Yeah, but I'm sure they'd want more in every negotiation right?" Well...yeah. And if I owned a team I'd be like "we should have a standard salary scale that only pays for performance at the end of each season."

No that's not what I'm effectively saying. I'm specifically saying they should get rid of the draft. There's other parts of CBAs they'd probably want to keep in exchange for reduced salary.

Right. So if you were a player, which aspect would you give up in order to eliminate the draft? Guaranteed contracts? Lower share of revenue? Injury protections? Sizes of rosters? Veteran minimum salaries? Private jet travel?

You can say what you would want. But it wasn't even in the top 20 of things the MLBPA asked us for when I worked on the CBA negotiation team. In fact, they didn't even mention it. So I guess my response is "ok, maybe you would. the actual players' unions do not. it's not remotely a priority for them." FWIW I'm not actually discussing the merits of the idea right now, I'm sharing a highly informed piece of information. I wasn't engaging in a "what do we think players not yet in the leagues would want?" lol

 

[General Malaise]

Can we talk about gambling on games for a sec?

I kinda like Rutgers to handle UW tonight. That's a long way for a team to travel on a short week AND something like half the Huskie roster has never traveled with the program before on the road. Rutgers has a great running game and if they can control the time of possession, I like them winning this one at home.

Any leans on this?

 

[Gr00vus]

Would it help if we stopped calling it college football and started calling it semi-pro football? Maybe that would make what's going on more psychologically acceptable. Only thing left is to have congress make the NFL (and the NBA) get rid of their stupid age restrictions. And the draft.

Well the draft is collectively bargained. Without the CBA, bargained and agreed to by the players unions, drafts would in fact be illegal (except possibly in baseball). So too are the age restrictions.

So Congress could I guess overrule organized labor. I'd love that precedent. But both things are illegal except when collectively bargained already.

That's true, but I don't think the players are the ones forcing the draft to be part of the CBAs at this point. I'm sure if players were given the option to determine who they played for themselves/through individual negotiation with the franchises at the start of their pro careers, they'd take it.

Sure. And they could make that choice. In exchange for less money. That's what collective bargaining is.

You're saying, effectively, "Yeah, but I'm sure they'd want more in every negotiation right?" Well...yeah. And if I owned a team I'd be like "we should have a standard salary scale that only pays for performance at the end of each season."

No that's not what I'm effectively saying. I'm specifically saying they should get rid of the draft. There's other parts of CBAs they'd probably want to keep in exchange for reduced salary.

Right. So if you were a player, which aspect would you give up in order to eliminate the draft? Guaranteed contracts? Lower share of revenue? Injury protections? Sizes of rosters? Veteran minimum salaries? Private jet travel?

You can say what you would want. But it wasn't even in the top 20 of things the MLBPA asked us for when I worked on the CBA negotiation team. In fact, they didn't even mention it. So I guess my response is "ok, maybe you would. the actual players' unions do not. it's not remotely a priority for them." FWIW I'm not actually discussing the merits of the idea right now, I'm sharing a highly informed piece of information. I wasn't engaging in a "what do we think players not yet in the leagues would want?" lol

O.k.

 

[Schmeabs]

Can we talk about gambling on games for a sec?

I kinda like Rutgers to handle UW tonight. That's a long way for a team to travel on a short week AND something like half the Huskie roster has never traveled with the program before on the road. Rutgers has a great running game and if they can control the time of possession, I like them winning this one at home.

Any leans on this?

Love it! Go Rutgers!!

 

[General Malaise]

Can we talk about gambling on games for a sec?

I kinda like Rutgers to handle UW tonight. That's a long way for a team to travel on a short week AND something like half the Huskie roster has never traveled with the program before on the road. Rutgers has a great running game and if they can control the time of possession, I like them winning this one at home.

Any leans on this?

Love it! Go Rutgers!!

Like lighting the bat signal!

 

[Schmeabs]

Can we talk about gambling on games for a sec?

I kinda like Rutgers to handle UW tonight. That's a long way for a team to travel on a short week AND something like half the Huskie roster has never traveled with the program before on the road. Rutgers has a great running game and if they can control the time of possession, I like them winning this one at home.

Any leans on this?

Love it! Go Rutgers!!

Like lighting the bat signal!

I forgot they were playing tonight so now I root on Rutgers. Virginia Tech too!

 

[General Malaise]

Can we talk about gambling on games for a sec?

I kinda like Rutgers to handle UW tonight. That's a long way for a team to travel on a short week AND something like half the Huskie roster has never traveled with the program before on the road. Rutgers has a great running game and if they can control the time of possession, I like them winning this one at home.

Any leans on this?

Love it! Go Rutgers!!

Like lighting the bat signal!

I forgot they were playing tonight so now I root on Rutgers. Virginia Tech too!

While I too will hate root for Vtech, my $$$ is on the Traitor and the Stanes.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Would it help if we stopped calling it college football and started calling it semi-pro football? Maybe that would make what's going on more psychologically acceptable. Only thing left is to have congress make the NFL (and the NBA) get rid of their stupid age restrictions. And the draft.

Well the draft is collectively bargained. Without the CBA, bargained and agreed to by the players unions, drafts would in fact be illegal (except possibly in baseball). So too are the age restrictions.

So Congress could I guess overrule organized labor. I'd love that precedent. But both things are illegal except when collectively bargained already.

That's true, but I don't think the players are the ones forcing the draft to be part of the CBAs at this point. I'm sure if players were given the option to determine who they played for themselves/through individual negotiation with the franchises at the start of their pro careers, they'd take it.

Sure. And they could make that choice. In exchange for less money. That's what collective bargaining is.

You're saying, effectively, "Yeah, but I'm sure they'd want more in every negotiation right?" Well...yeah. And if I owned a team I'd be like "we should have a standard salary scale that only pays for performance at the end of each season."

No that's not what I'm effectively saying. I'm specifically saying they should get rid of the draft. There's other parts of CBAs they'd probably want to keep in exchange for reduced salary.

Right. So if you were a player, which aspect would you give up in order to eliminate the draft? Guaranteed contracts? Lower share of revenue? Injury protections? Sizes of rosters? Veteran minimum salaries? Private jet travel?

You can say what you would want. But it wasn't even in the top 20 of things the MLBPA asked us for when I worked on the CBA negotiation team. In fact, they didn't even mention it. So I guess my response is "ok, maybe you would. the actual players' unions do not. it's not remotely a priority for them." FWIW I'm not actually discussing the merits of the idea right now, I'm sharing a highly informed piece of information. I wasn't engaging in a "what do we think players not yet in the leagues would want?" lol

Of course the NFLPA isn’t going to advocate for the interests of non members.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

My Hokies are terrible. OC was basically a TE coach before this gig. He was a recruiting coordinator just 3 years ago. He knows nothing about running an offense.

Also I love the thread title. That's funny right there.

 

[Osaurus]

VT was in this game for what, 5 minutes?

 

[massraider]

That is the 3rd time I have seen Cam run, where it looks to me like he is baiting the defender, looking for a penalty.

He likes to slow up near the sideline, or at the end of the run, and I swear he is hoping for an extra 15 yards.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Just like his breath smells like similak, it’s simiak

 

[Todem]

VT giving us a game.

We better wake up.