2024 College Football Thread: Ohio State advances to play unbeaten hypothetical SEC team (3 Viewers)

[WDIK2]

This 12 team playoff is going to do exactly what it was supposed to do. Create debates and hot takes. With the 4 team playoff, the debates were usually over teams 4 and 5. Sometimes even teams 4, 5, and 6.

With the 12 team playoff there will be debates over the top 4 conference champions, with some probably late season poll shenanigans involved. Debates over teams 10 thru 14, and debates over a 3 loss non conference champion possibly getting in. Again, it will be interesting to see how the poll shakes out these last couple weeks. All of this is great for the media outlets involved.

I won't shed a tear for a good 3 loss team not getting in. How about not losing 25% of your games?

 

[Jayrod]

This 12 team playoff is going to do exactly what it was supposed to do. Create debates and hot takes. With the 4 team playoff, the debates were usually over teams 4 and 5. Sometimes even teams 4, 5, and 6.

With the 12 team playoff there will be debates over the top 4 conference champions, with some probably late season poll shenanigans involved. Debates over teams 10 thru 14, and debates over a 3 loss non conference champion possibly getting in. Again, it will be interesting to see how the poll shakes out these last couple weeks. All of this is great for the media outlets involved.

I won't shed a tear for a good 3 loss team not getting in. How about not losing 25% of your games?

Since the goal is to crown a national champion, teams that are on the fringe of #12 are really not relevant.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Fwiw, coming into this week, Boise State’s strength of schedule was 77th. Colorado’s was 74th. So not exactly playing a different level of competition.

That being said, playing the entire game on both sides of the ball every game and doing it at the level Hunter is is crazy. He’ll be drafted in the first round and deservedly soon and it would be deserved both as a WR and CB. IMO, if Shadeur Sanders goes in the first round, he owes Hunter a huge gift basket because Hunter routinely makes Sanders’s passes look better than they are. I say that about Hunter as someone who doesn’t have a lot of respect for Sanders and the Colorado program.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Also: absolutely embarrassing to storm the field at all, much less early. OU doesn't storm the field, people who beat us storm the field. Just sad that the current students haven't experienced the level for excellence we expect.

This is a Boomer Boomer Sooner comment.

Yeah but I was born in the 90s.

I think it's just different. In the ten years since I graduated, I think field storming went from something you see when an FCS team beats Michigan to like 3+ times per week. Im sure it's just fun to do and that's life now.

Honestly at this point, given it isn't special, maybe I can stop hearing it be reported. It's just how we end football games now if you beat a higher ranked team.

I will join you on the boomer porch yelling at the kids to, somewhat literally, get off the lawn.

I am totally with you on both points. It's gotten dumb AF. Every team rushing the field for every moderately big victory. Then doubly dumb when a team with historic tradition like Oklahoma or Tennessee does it.

App St beats Michigan? Sure, go for it kids. Oklahoma beats Alabama? Act like you've been there before. Because you have.

Gross

 

[FreeBaGeL]

This 12 team playoff is going to do exactly what it was supposed to do. Create debates and hot takes. With the 4 team playoff, the debates were usually over teams 4 and 5. Sometimes even teams 4, 5, and 6.

With the 12 team playoff there will be debates over the top 4 conference champions, with some probably late season poll shenanigans involved. Debates over teams 10 thru 14, and debates over a 3 loss non conference champion possibly getting in. Again, it will be interesting to see how the poll shakes out these last couple weeks. All of this is great for the media outlets involved.

I won't shed a tear for a good 3 loss team not getting in. How about not losing 25% of your games?

I don't like it overall because I think it's too many teams. But I do agree with that one thing, for me it eliminates ANY controversy. If there's an argument about who the 12th or 13th team is, I simply don't care, because neither of them really deserve to be there. It won't be unbeaten FSU or unbeaten non P5 team or 1-loss P5 team with a hard schedule getting left out. It will be some team that has 3 losses, or a non P5 team with a joke schedule that still managed to lose a game, or a P5 team with a weak schedule that lost 2 games. I don't care about any of those teams, and won't shed a tear for them.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I won't shed a tear for a good 3 loss team not getting in.

I would be more in favor of this if all teams played a roughly equal schedule like the NFL. The reality is the range for strength of schedule for college teams is incredibly wide.

 

[Yo Mama]

I’m going to love hearing all the people/SEC coaches that spent the last week arguing a conference championship game loss shouldn’t penalize a team for playoff purposes all of a sudden explaining how a previously 1-loss SMU/Mia ACC loser should get passed up by a 3-loss SEC team who didn’t even make their conference championship.

 

[Moe.]

The ratio of people complaining about the SEC to people stumping for the SEC is like 50-1. Let’s all settle down and see what happens otherwise we’re gonna run out of straw.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I’m going to love hearing all the people/SEC coaches that spent the last week arguing a conference championship game loss shouldn’t penalize a team for playoff purposes all of a sudden explaining how a previously 1-loss SMU/Mia ACC loser should get passed up by a 3-loss SEC team who didn’t even make their conference championship.

SEC or not, SMU is going to have a tough argument for being included if they finish the season 0-2 against ranked teams.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I know some people love it but the beauty pageant subjectiveness of it makes me not care that much. The dismissal of strength of schedule is wild. I've no doubt I'm in the minority there.

 

[Jbaldy]

Thoughts on Chip bailing for OSU, as a coordinator no less?

As a Scarlet and Gray fan, I tend to see things through Scarlet and Gray glasses.

I wanted them to get an offensive coordinator and was happy about the Bob hire. Was sad to see him leave, and the timing was comical, but I get it.

I think Chip is a pretty good consolation prize, especially with the timing. The cupboard is full and he is a great offensive mind. I think they have a tremendous year!

Both he and UCLA knew he was a lame duck. I expect him to bolt in a year or two but I think that was the plan with Bob also. I think they are trying to get Brian Hartline some more seasoning and training and he is either the next call player when Chip leaves.

Or this ends in disaster.

I agree, I think Chip Kelley is either gonna end up as a boom or bust for Ohio State. I like the offense he brings to the team, but I think his time with Ohio State will be determined by the end of this season and whether or not the Buckeyes can go all the way. I'm excited to see the run the buckeyes can go on, and If they play against Oregon again we can definitely beat them.

As part of a college blogging assignment I'm required to link my blog. (TheArtistryOfFootball.blogspot.com)

 

[Instinctive]

Also: absolutely embarrassing to storm the field at all, much less early. OU doesn't storm the field, people who beat us storm the field. Just sad that the current students haven't experienced the level for excellence we expect.

This is a Boomer Boomer Sooner comment.

Yeah but I was born in the 90s.

I think it's just different. In the ten years since I graduated, I think field storming went from something you see when an FCS team beats Michigan to like 3+ times per week. Im sure it's just fun to do and that's life now.

Honestly at this point, given it isn't special, maybe I can stop hearing it be reported. It's just how we end football games now if you beat a higher ranked team.

I will join you on the boomer porch yelling ta the kids to, somewhat literally, get off the lawn.

I am totally with you on both points. It's gotten dumb AF. Every team rushing the field for every moderately big victory. Then doubly dumb when a team with historic tradition like Oklahoma or Tennessee does it.

App St beats Michigan? Sure, go for it kids. Oklahoma beats Alabama? Act like you've been there before. Because you have.

Gross

Been there four out of seven times in fact lol

 

[WDIK2]

Also: absolutely embarrassing to storm the field at all, much less early. OU doesn't storm the field, people who beat us storm the field. Just sad that the current students haven't experienced the level for excellence we expect.

This is a Boomer Boomer Sooner comment.

Yeah but I was born in the 90s.

I think it's just different. In the ten years since I graduated, I think field storming went from something you see when an FCS team beats Michigan to like 3+ times per week. Im sure it's just fun to do and that's life now.

Honestly at this point, given it isn't special, maybe I can stop hearing it be reported. It's just how we end football games now if you beat a higher ranked team.

I will join you on the boomer porch yelling ta the kids to, somewhat literally, get off the lawn.

I am totally with you on both points. It's gotten dumb AF. Every team rushing the field for every moderately big victory. Then doubly dumb when a team with historic tradition like Oklahoma or Tennessee does it.

App St beats Michigan? Sure, go for it kids. Oklahoma beats Alabama? Act like you've been there before. Because you have.

Gross

Did the OU fans take the goalposts down? It doesn't count unless the goalposts come down. Some places it doesn't count unless they end up in a river or lake.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I know some people love it but the beauty pageant subjectiveness of it makes me not care that much. The dismissal of strength of schedule is wild. I've no doubt I'm in the minority there.

I think SOS will come into play especially with seeding too. But a lot of these games are scheduled years in advance. Someone could have scheduled Florida State thinking they would get a tough game and it's not their fault FSU is 2-10.

Who do you think is ranked incorrectly by the committee?

 

[GroveDiesel]

I know some people love it but the beauty pageant subjectiveness of it makes me not care that much. The dismissal of strength of schedule is wild. I've no doubt I'm in the minority there.

Strength of schedule matters, but we also need to recognize that how strength of schedule is calculated is heavily influenced by preseason rankings which are totally subjective. It’s not really all that objective.

 

[FairWarning]

I won't shed a tear for a good 3 loss team not getting in.

I would be more in favor of this if all teams played a roughly equal schedule like the NFL. The reality is the range for strength of schedule for college teams is incredibly wide.

Unfortunately the legacy powers outside of ND have no interest in this. They would rather have 8 home games and dictate the nonconference schedule. One 0f the biggest reasons the NFL is much better is the equality of schedule. I would love to see a super conference of 30-40 teams, but it’ll never happen.

 

[FairWarning]

I know some people love it but the beauty pageant subjectiveness of it makes me not care that much. The dismissal of strength of schedule is wild. I've no doubt I'm in the minority there.

Strength of schedule matters, but we also need to recognize that how strength of schedule is calculated is heavily influenced by preseason rankings which are totally subjective. It’s not really all that objective.

A huge problem is the in-season rankings are too influenced by the preseason rankings. There are voters who are reluctant to adjust teams , because it worked this way 40 years ago. I have nothing against Penn ST, but they are a top 5 team by name only.

 

[Joe Bryant]

It’s not really all that objective.

Preach. It's a beauty pageant and subjective. Which is why I don't invest too much interest in it.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

The obvious answer to solve all this is a 24 team playoff.

I've been making this same joke for 20 years and it's still not funny. Nothing will ever top the old new years day conference bowl tie ins of our youth. We got what we all wanted.

 

[kupcho1]

Nothing will ever top the old new years day conference bowl tie ins of our youth. We got what we all wanted.

Maybe you did, but when Nixon awarded the national championship to Texas, very few others did.

 

[ChiefD]

College football is such a delicious soap opera.

 

[psychobillies]

The ratio of people complaining about the SEC to people stumping for the SEC is like 50-1. Let’s all settle down and see what happens otherwise we’re gonna run out of straw.

Same as always.

 

[Major]

I’m going to love hearing all the people/SEC coaches that spent the last week arguing a conference championship game loss shouldn’t penalize a team for playoff purposes all of a sudden explaining how a previously 1-loss SMU/Mia ACC loser should get passed up by a 3-loss SEC team who didn’t even make their conference championship.

SEC or not, SMU is going to have a tough argument for being included if they finish the season 0-2 against ranked teams.

In their defense, SMU defeated a few teams while they were ranked but those teams couldn't keep it together after getting stomped by the Mustangs.

 

[culdeus]

Also: absolutely embarrassing to storm the field at all, much less early. OU doesn't storm the field, people who beat us storm the field. Just sad that the current students haven't experienced the level for excellence we expect.

This is a Boomer Boomer Sooner comment.

Yeah but I was born in the 90s.

I think it's just different. In the ten years since I graduated, I think field storming went from something you see when an FCS team beats Michigan to like 3+ times per week. Im sure it's just fun to do and that's life now.

Honestly at this point, given it isn't special, maybe I can stop hearing it be reported. It's just how we end football games now if you beat a higher ranked team.

I will join you on the boomer porch yelling ta the kids to, somewhat literally, get off the lawn.

I am totally with you on both points. It's gotten dumb AF. Every team rushing the field for every moderately big victory. Then doubly dumb when a team with historic tradition like Oklahoma or Tennessee does it.

App St beats Michigan? Sure, go for it kids. Oklahoma beats Alabama? Act like you've been there before. Because you have.

Gross

Did the OU fans take the goalposts down? It doesn't count unless the goalposts come down. Some places it doesn't count unless they end up in a river or lake.

They should have hauled it all the way up to the kayak course

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I’m going to love hearing all the people/SEC coaches that spent the last week arguing a conference championship game loss shouldn’t penalize a team for playoff purposes all of a sudden explaining how a previously 1-loss SMU/Mia ACC loser should get passed up by a 3-loss SEC team who didn’t even make their conference championship.

SEC or not, SMU is going to have a tough argument for being included if they finish the season 0-2 against ranked teams.

In their defense, SMU defeated a few teams while they were ranked but those teams couldn't keep it together after getting stomped by the Mustangs.

Well Georgia Tech beat FSU when they were ranked in the top 10, but that doesn't really mean much because we now know FSU was not a top 10 quality opponent, even if we mistakenly thought they were at the time.

I doubt the committee cares at all about what a team was ranked when they were beaten compared to what we know them to be in the end. The reality is if SMU loses the ACC championship they will have played two top 25 quality opponents and lost both, which I think will bite them when the time comes to pick those last couple teams. But to their credit, most of the other 2-3 loss teams in contention don't have many ranked wins either. But I think a 3-loss team that is 2-2 against ranked opponents has a better case than a 2-loss team that is 0-2 against ranked opponents.

 

[culdeus]

Who at this point would be the four playoff teams from last year system?

 

[General Malaise]

I know some people love it but the beauty pageant subjectiveness of it makes me not care that much. The dismissal of strength of schedule is wild. I've no doubt I'm in the minority there.

Okay, you're in charge of college football now. What would you do to remedy all of this subjectiveness?

 

[General Malaise]

Who at this point would be the four playoff teams from last year system?

Do you still have the Pac12 in this scenario? Makes a big difference.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Who at this point would be the four playoff teams from last year system?

Assuming everyone were to win out I think Oregon, Ohio St, and Texas would be in for sure. Then there would be a big argument about Notre Dame vs. Miami for the final spot.

 

[Sparky Polastri]

Who at this point would be the four playoff teams from last year system?

Just using the process from last year 1- 4 its:

Oregon
Ohio State
Texas
Penn State

New rankings come out Tuesday, but this is the ranking as of last week

 

[General Malaise]

Thoughts on Chip bailing for OSU, as a coordinator no less?

As a Scarlet and Gray fan, I tend to see things through Scarlet and Gray glasses.

I wanted them to get an offensive coordinator and was happy about the Bob hire. Was sad to see him leave, and the timing was comical, but I get it.

I think Chip is a pretty good consolation prize, especially with the timing. The cupboard is full and he is a great offensive mind. I think they have a tremendous year!

Both he and UCLA knew he was a lame duck. I expect him to bolt in a year or two but I think that was the plan with Bob also. I think they are trying to get Brian Hartline some more seasoning and training and he is either the next call player when Chip leaves.

Or this ends in disaster.

I agree, I think Chip Kelley is either gonna end up as a boom or bust for Ohio State. I like the offense he brings to the team, but I think his time with Ohio State will be determined by the end of this season and whether or not the Buckeyes can go all the way. I'm excited to see the run the buckeyes can go on, and If they play against Oregon again we can definitely beat them.

As part of a college blogging assignment I'm required to link my blog. (TheArtistryOfFootball.blogspot.com)

I think Ohio State is the best team in college football. The game against Oregon was not their best effort. As an Oregon fan, this is the team that scares me the most.

 

[TripItUp]

West Coast needs to win a Natty...been way too long.

 

[Major]

I’m going to love hearing all the people/SEC coaches that spent the last week arguing a conference championship game loss shouldn’t penalize a team for playoff purposes all of a sudden explaining how a previously 1-loss SMU/Mia ACC loser should get passed up by a 3-loss SEC team who didn’t even make their conference championship.

SEC or not, SMU is going to have a tough argument for being included if they finish the season 0-2 against ranked teams.

In their defense, SMU defeated a few teams while they were ranked but those teams couldn't keep it together after getting stomped by the Mustangs.

Well Georgia Tech beat FSU when they were ranked in the top 10, but that doesn't really mean much because we now know FSU was not a top 10 quality opponent, even if we mistakenly thought they were at the time.

I doubt the committee cares at all about what a team was ranked when they were beaten compared to what we know them to be in the end. The reality is if SMU loses the ACC championship they will have played two top 25 quality opponents and lost both, which I think will bite them when the time comes to pick those last couple teams. But to their credit, most of the other 2-3 loss teams in contention don't have many ranked wins either. But I think a 3-loss team that is 2-2 against ranked opponents has a better case than a 2-loss team that is 0-2 against ranked opponents.

All good points but it's not like they're playing a Boise St. schedule. Pitt and Louisville aren't slouch teams like FSU (prob Top 40). Their loss to BYU was on a last minute FG so I think that helps their case a bit. If they lose a close one to Miami (or Clemson), I think they still have a shot. Should be noted, I'm biased af

 

[kupcho1]

West Coast needs to win a Natty...been way too long.

 

[General Malaise]

SEC teams playing Wofford, UMAS and UTEP the last week of November needs to stop. I don't want to hear another bleeping word about strength of schedule when those are the teams on the schedule when we're all shopping for turkeys. It is insanity for that league to thump their chest about being the best in breed when they play doormats when other schools are playing other real schools.

 

[TripItUp]

West Coast needs to win a Natty...been way too long.

Was it the use of the word "natty"...if so, I get it.

 

[Instinctive]

I know some people love it but the beauty pageant subjectiveness of it makes me not care that much. The dismissal of strength of schedule is wild. I've no doubt I'm in the minority there.

Okay, you're in charge of college football now. What would you do to remedy all of this subjectiveness?

One big league. Four conferences, two divisions each. 16 teams in each one. 8 team divisions.

Create a standard schedule of out of conference rotation amongst them. So you play like your 7 divisional opponents, then you play whomever finished in the same place as you last year from one division of each of the other three conferences, and then the other division in your conference. Set up the divisions so they tend to contain the major rivalry games (e.g., OUTX, Iron Bowl, tOSU-UM, Border War, etc).

Playoff is: byes to conference champions
5-8 seeds go to conference championship game losers
9-12 seeds go to the next best record in each conference.

Make ND join one of the conferences of screw off.

Replicate system for Group of 5.




If I really get to be magic dictator? Power 4/G5 get a promotion relegation of some kind. But I think that's too far to really happen.

 

[General Malaise]

I know some people love it but the beauty pageant subjectiveness of it makes me not care that much. The dismissal of strength of schedule is wild. I've no doubt I'm in the minority there.

Okay, you're in charge of college football now. What would you do to remedy all of this subjectiveness?

One big league. Four conferences, two divisions each. 16 teams in each one. 8 team divisions.

Create a standard schedule of out of conference rotation amongst them. So you play like your 7 divisional opponents, then you play whomever finished in the same place as you last year from one division of each of the other three conferences, and then the other division in your conference. Set up the divisions so they tend to contain the major rivalry games (e.g., OUTX, Iron Bowl, tOSU-UM, Border War, etc).

Playoff is: byes to conference champions
5-8 seeds go to conference championship game losers
9-12 seeds go to the next best record in each conference.

Make ND join one of the conferences of screw off.

Replicate system for Group of 5.




If I really get to be magic dictator? Power 4/G5 get a promotion relegation of some kind. But I think that's too far to really happen.

I like it. Approved!

I absolutely love the idea of relegation/promotion.

 

[kupcho1]

SEC teams playing Wofford, UMAS and UTEP the last week of November needs to stop. I don't want to hear another bleeping word about strength of schedule when those are the teams on the schedule when we're all shopping for turkeys. It is insanity for that league to thump their chest about being the best in breed when they play doormats when other schools are playing other real schools.

Does it really matter when they're scheduled? Cupcakes for Thanksgiving sounds delicious (although I still prefer pie).
Now if you would like to eliminate all of the doormat games, please direct me to where I can sign up for your newsletter.

 

[General Malaise]

SEC teams playing Wofford, UMAS and UTEP the last week of November needs to stop. I don't want to hear another bleeping word about strength of schedule when those are the teams on the schedule when we're all shopping for turkeys. It is insanity for that league to thump their chest about being the best in breed when they play doormats when other schools are playing other real schools.

Does it really matter when they're scheduled? Cupcakes for Thanksgiving sounds delicious (although I still prefer pie).
Now if you would like to eliminate all of the doormat games, please direct me to where I can sign up for your newsletter.

It absolutely matters! Do you want your team facing the best your conference has to offer at the end of the season when everybody is banged up and tired or would you rather play the Boy Scouts of America? It is absolutely asinine that the SEC gets away with this and has for decades. And then has the audacity to say "LOOK AT OUR STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE!!!?!?!?!111". Go screw.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

I know some people love it but the beauty pageant subjectiveness of it makes me not care that much. The dismissal of strength of schedule is wild. I've no doubt I'm in the minority there.

Okay, you're in charge of college football now. What would you do to remedy all of this subjectiveness?

I think the first step is to acknowledge there are over 250 division 1 football teams in the country with completely disparate schedules, uneven recruiting platforms and no way to do an NFL style playoff system with divisions and schedule control over a month of games playoff games. We admit there is no reliable way to determine a "true champion" in college football - a pipe dream we've been inexplicably chasing since the BCS mistake, with every new version of that just digging the hole deeper and deeper. Then we can either stop trying to make college football the same as pro sports by manufacturing a championship system that will never work, or we can go all-in and stop pretending college football is an amateur affair for "student-athletes." The first option would involve trying to bring back the magic and tradition college football once had - likely a fool's errand as that tradition is surely gone forever. The second option likely involves moving toward a single super-conference of 30-40 schools, incorporating some form of salary cap control on NIL and setting up NFL -style conferences and divisions. The other 200+ college football teams would be free to form some system of their own or disband those programs and move toward a more club-based on intramural-based game.

 

[Instinctive]

I know some people love it but the beauty pageant subjectiveness of it makes me not care that much. The dismissal of strength of schedule is wild. I've no doubt I'm in the minority there.

Okay, you're in charge of college football now. What would you do to remedy all of this subjectiveness?

One big league. Four conferences, two divisions each. 16 teams in each one. 8 team divisions.

Create a standard schedule of out of conference rotation amongst them. So you play like your 7 divisional opponents, then you play whomever finished in the same place as you last year from one division of each of the other three conferences, and then the other division in your conference. Set up the divisions so they tend to contain the major rivalry games (e.g., OUTX, Iron Bowl, tOSU-UM, Border War, etc).

Playoff is: byes to conference champions
5-8 seeds go to conference championship game losers
9-12 seeds go to the next best record in each conference.

Make ND join one of the conferences of screw off.

Replicate system for Group of 5.




If I really get to be magic dictator? Power 4/G5 get a promotion relegation of some kind. But I think that's too far to really happen.

I like it. Approved!

I absolutely love the idea of relegation/promotion.

You can even add 1-2 "preseason weeks" against FCS teams to warm up a bit.

Edit: make them in state ones so you spread the wealth to other small schools in your state

 

[General Malaise]

I mean.....if we have to revert back to sports writers determining a college football champion, count me the ffffffffff out.

 

[belljr]

I know some people love it but the beauty pageant subjectiveness of it makes me not care that much. The dismissal of strength of schedule is wild. I've no doubt I'm in the minority there.

Okay, you're in charge of college football now. What would you do to remedy all of this subjectiveness?

One big league. Four conferences, two divisions each. 16 teams in each one. 8 team divisions.

Create a standard schedule of out of conference rotation amongst them. So you play like your 7 divisional opponents, then you play whomever finished in the same place as you last year from one division of each of the other three conferences, and then the other division in your conference. Set up the divisions so they tend to contain the major rivalry games (e.g., OUTX, Iron Bowl, tOSU-UM, Border War, etc).

Playoff is: byes to conference champions
5-8 seeds go to conference championship game losers
9-12 seeds go to the next best record in each conference.

Make ND join one of the conferences of screw off.

Replicate system for Group of 5.




If I really get to be magic dictator? Power 4/G5 get a promotion relegation of some kind. But I think that's too far to really happen.

I like it. Approved!

I absolutely love the idea of relegation/promotion.

You can even add 1-2 "preseason weeks" against FCS teams to warm up a bit.

Edit: make them in state ones so you spread the wealth to other small schools in your state

Not that it's a bad idea - but what about the other 70 division 1 schools

 

[General Malaise]

I know some people love it but the beauty pageant subjectiveness of it makes me not care that much. The dismissal of strength of schedule is wild. I've no doubt I'm in the minority there.

Okay, you're in charge of college football now. What would you do to remedy all of this subjectiveness?

One big league. Four conferences, two divisions each. 16 teams in each one. 8 team divisions.

Create a standard schedule of out of conference rotation amongst them. So you play like your 7 divisional opponents, then you play whomever finished in the same place as you last year from one division of each of the other three conferences, and then the other division in your conference. Set up the divisions so they tend to contain the major rivalry games (e.g., OUTX, Iron Bowl, tOSU-UM, Border War, etc).

Playoff is: byes to conference champions
5-8 seeds go to conference championship game losers
9-12 seeds go to the next best record in each conference.

Make ND join one of the conferences of screw off.

Replicate system for Group of 5.




If I really get to be magic dictator? Power 4/G5 get a promotion relegation of some kind. But I think that's too far to really happen.

I like it. Approved!

I absolutely love the idea of relegation/promotion.

You can even add 1-2 "preseason weeks" against FCS teams to warm up a bit.

Edit: make them in state ones so you spread the wealth to other small schools in your state

"Relegation Bowls" would be fun. Have Purdue face off against Boise State. Winner gets to play in the Big10 next year. Tulane vs Miss State, San Jose St vs Stanford.....now these would be bowl games fit for a salty snack!

 

[Sparky Polastri]

I know some people love it but the beauty pageant subjectiveness of it makes me not care that much. The dismissal of strength of schedule is wild. I've no doubt I'm in the minority there.

Okay, you're in charge of college football now. What would you do to remedy all of this subjectiveness?

I think the first step is to acknowledge there are over 250 division 1 football teams in the country with completely disparate schedules, uneven recruiting platforms and no way to do an NFL style playoff system with divisions and schedule control over a month of games playoff games. We admit there is no reliable way to determine a "true champion" in college football - a pipe dream we've been inexplicably chasing since the BCS mistake, with every new version of that just digging the hole deeper and deeper. Then we can either stop trying to make college football the same as pro sports by manufacturing a championship system that will never work, or we can go all-in and stop pretending college football is an amateur affair for "student-athletes." The first option would involve trying to bring back the magic and tradition college football once had - likely a fool's errand as that tradition is surely gone forever. The second option likely involves moving toward a single super-conference of 30-40 schools, incorporating some form of salary cap control on NIL and setting up NFL -style conferences and divisions. The other 200+ college football teams would be free to form some system of their own or disband those programs and move toward a more club-based on intramural-based game.

Pretty much this. All that's been done is taking the responsibility off the sports writers and put it on a committee to determine the story for the year. Though the smoke and mirrors seems to have worked on some people.

 

[kupcho1]

SEC teams playing Wofford, UMAS and UTEP the last week of November needs to stop. I don't want to hear another bleeping word about strength of schedule when those are the teams on the schedule when we're all shopping for turkeys. It is insanity for that league to thump their chest about being the best in breed when they play doormats when other schools are playing other real schools.

Does it really matter when they're scheduled? Cupcakes for Thanksgiving sounds delicious (although I still prefer pie).
Now if you would like to eliminate all of the doormat games, please direct me to where I can sign up for your newsletter.

It absolutely matters! Do you want your team facing the best your conference has to offer at the end of the season when everybody is banged up and tired or would you rather play the Boy Scouts of America? It is absolutely asinine that the SEC gets away with this and has for decades. And then has the audacity to say "LOOK AT OUR STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE!!!?!?!?!111". Go screw.

So long as the cupcakes are on the menu, it's ingenious of the SEC to schedule them when they do.
Strength of schedule is based on the entire schedule. It isn't weighted based on who is played late in the season.
The primary difference between front loading your season with cupcakes vs. saving one for the penultimate week is, as you point out, you get a semi-bye week at the end when you're likely facing injuries. But that doesn't make the total schedule less strong.

Again, I'd favor eliminating cupcakes, but if you're going to have them, schedule as you see fit. Putting them in November is just smart business.

 

[MAC_32]

I doubt the committee cares at all about what a team was ranked when they were beaten compared to what we know them to be in the end.

It depends on who it is. Does the committee care that Florida St ended up being dog **** in evaluating SMU? Of course they do- you didn't beat anybody. Does the committee care that Wisconsin ended up being dog **** in evaluating Alabama? Of course they don't- they tried!

 

[General Malaise]

SEC teams playing Wofford, UMAS and UTEP the last week of November needs to stop. I don't want to hear another bleeping word about strength of schedule when those are the teams on the schedule when we're all shopping for turkeys. It is insanity for that league to thump their chest about being the best in breed when they play doormats when other schools are playing other real schools.

Does it really matter when they're scheduled? Cupcakes for Thanksgiving sounds delicious (although I still prefer pie).
Now if you would like to eliminate all of the doormat games, please direct me to where I can sign up for your newsletter.

It absolutely matters! Do you want your team facing the best your conference has to offer at the end of the season when everybody is banged up and tired or would you rather play the Boy Scouts of America? It is absolutely asinine that the SEC gets away with this and has for decades. And then has the audacity to say "LOOK AT OUR STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE!!!?!?!?!111". Go screw.

So long as the cupcakes are on the menu, it's ingenious of the SEC to schedule them when they do.
Strength of schedule is based on the entire schedule. It isn't weighted based on who is played late in the season.
The primary difference between front loading your season with cupcakes vs. saving one for the penultimate week is, as you point out, you get a semi-bye week at the end when you're likely facing injuries. But that doesn't make the total schedule less strong.

Again, I'd favor eliminating cupcakes, but if you're going to have them, schedule as you see fit. Putting them in November is just smart business.

It may be smart business, but don't pretend like it isn't an advantage. it is. You know, I know it. Georgia had Tennessee Tech on Sept 7 and UMASS on Nov 23. That's absurd. Alabama started off with Western Kentucky, moved on to South Florida and then gets Mercer Nov 16? Good lord. Tennessee got the season underway Chattanooga, got a little taste of Kent State and then had UTEP at the end of November.

I think you think you made a clever argument; I'm telling you it's hogwash. Just like the SEC thumping its chest saying they deserve 5 playoff teams.

 

[General Malaise]

I know some people love it but the beauty pageant subjectiveness of it makes me not care that much. The dismissal of strength of schedule is wild. I've no doubt I'm in the minority there.

Okay, you're in charge of college football now. What would you do to remedy all of this subjectiveness?

I think the first step is to acknowledge there are over 250 division 1 football teams in the country with completely disparate schedules, uneven recruiting platforms and no way to do an NFL style playoff system with divisions and schedule control over a month of games playoff games. We admit there is no reliable way to determine a "true champion" in college football - a pipe dream we've been inexplicably chasing since the BCS mistake, with every new version of that just digging the hole deeper and deeper. Then we can either stop trying to make college football the same as pro sports by manufacturing a championship system that will never work, or we can go all-in and stop pretending college football is an amateur affair for "student-athletes." The first option would involve trying to bring back the magic and tradition college football once had - likely a fool's errand as that tradition is surely gone forever. The second option likely involves moving toward a single super-conference of 30-40 schools, incorporating some form of salary cap control on NIL and setting up NFL -style conferences and divisions. The other 200+ college football teams would be free to form some system of their own or disband those programs and move toward a more club-based on intramural-based game.

Pretty much this. All that's been done is taking the responsibility off the sports writers and put it on a committee to determine the story for the year. Though the smoke and mirrors seems to have worked on some people.

In what recent year can you honestly say the best team in college football did NOT win the national championship?