Thanks. We'll just differ there. If I were an Eagles fan, I'd love to see the QB/HC duo that earned the #2 NFC seed last year return.
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2024 Cowboys Season Thread - We even suck at tanking. (1 Viewer)
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Thanks. We'll just differ there. If I were an Eagles fan, I'd love to see the QB/HC duo that earned the #2 NFC seed last year return.
I think this is interesting.
On a scale of 1 (terrible) to 10 (best possible), where would you rank the 2023 Cowboys season?
That's probably a good question for lots of teams.
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
Prescott hasn't beaten the 49ers since 2017.
I know. What QB could Dallas reasonably get next year that would make things tougher for SF?
Terpman22
Footballguy
Yeah I guess we do differ. First, no NFC East team has repeated as champs for 20 years. You think Dak has what it takes to win a Super Bowl, despite historical data pointing that once you get to age 30 QB, you kinda are what you are. And he still wilts in the playoffs and has yet to get to a conference title game. And as mentioned, has done literally nothing to stand in the way of any Eagles success, other than a few regular season wins here and there - almost half of which were against Eagles backup QBs.
Not to mention, they had a tough time beating decent/teams with winning records this year, were completely different on the road, and face a 1st place schedule next year with the notable non division teams below on it:
@Pittsburgh
@Cleveland
vs Tampa
vs Baltimore
vs Cincinnati
vs Detroit
vs Houston
@ San Francisco
General Malaise
Footballguy
Do you think San Francisco is at all worried about this Dallas team with Dak and Mac?
Dallas "running it back" with this roster and this coach doesn't seem like a recipe to beat San Francisco but hey, I'm just basing this off their last 3 matchups. Maybe the future will be different.
As far as what Dallas can do at QB that would make things tougher for San Francisco, I dunno......maybe don't throw their defense the ball? Maybe identify why Dak continues to make poor decisions at critical junctures and try to fix that? Maybe see what they have in Trey Lance?
Or just "run it back" and expect a different result, which sounds very much like the definition of insanity to me.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Are you familiar with the 2022-2023 Boston Bruins? Best regular season an NHL team has ever had. Bounced in the 1st round of the playoffs. I'd put the 2023 Cowboys' season in that sort of category. Great regular season, lofty post-season expectations, total gut punch to end it all super early.
General Malaise
Footballguy
That isn't the right question. Dallas is "running it back" with Dak and Mac. So with those two pieces in place, the right question is "What can Dak and Mac do differently to make things tougher for SF"?
General Malaise
Footballguy
I'm going to keep throwing this back at you: what can Dallas do differently with Dak and Mac that would make things tougher for SF?
Of course. I think any team should be worried about the #2 playoff seed with a QB that was in the talk for MVP late in the season. Do you not?
General Malaise
Footballguy
Or the Packers since 2016....
General Malaise
Footballguy
No, not when that QB keeps throwing my defense the ball.
No reason to "keep" throwing it. I don't believe Dallas needs to do anything differently but put themselves in position again as a top team in the conference.
What would you suggest they do?
If you're saying Prescott isn't the QB, then it's absolutley the right question. Again, What QB could Dallas reasonably get next year that would make things tougher for SF?
General Malaise
Footballguy
I suggest they stop throwing the ball to the 49ers' defense. How are they going to do that going forward?
Cute. But who is their QB then? What QB could Dallas reasonably get next year that would make things tougher for SF?
General Malaise
Footballguy
Forget what I'm saying, I have no control. He IS the QB. What is he going to do differently to beat the 49ers?
This is the spot where it reality hits.
Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson or Patrick Mahomes
You have control over your opinion. If you think Prescott isn't the guy, what should the Cowboys do?
Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson or Patrick Mahomes
You have control over your opinion. If you think Prescott isn't the guy, what should the Cowboys do?
General Malaise
Footballguy
Not until you tell me what Dak and Mac do differently to eliminate the interceptions.
My opinion has nothing to do with yours. You say Prescott isn't the guy. What QB could Dallas reasonably get next year that would make things tougher for SF?For him to be better with interceptions, I'd say play like he knows how to play. He threw 9 interceptions in the regular season this year on 590 attempts. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2023/passing.htm
General Malaise
Footballguy
For him to be better with interceptions, I'd say play like he knows how to play. He threw 9 interceptions in the regular season this year on 590 attempts. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2023/passing.htm
3 of those interceptions came against San Francisco. 2 more that lead to 14 points for Green Bay. There's work to be done if Dak and Mac are going to win a SB. You think it's possible, I disagree.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
Was probably a 5 out of 10.
This is the Cowboys, not a crappy franchise with no history, our fans are not content with just a good regular season. We aren’t Cleveland or Arizona.
I will say, I did not expect them to win the division. That part was decent, although it was more Philly’s 18 wheeler off the cliff.
The “suck” if you will - is:
-The playoff performance in general. Then add last years performance.
-A coach who did not have them ready to play. No real in game adjustments.
-Unimaginative offensive game plan
-Player mistakes
-A front office not willing to bring in players at the deadline. RB and LB specifically. Why???
-An owner who creates a culture and circus like atmosphere that is not about winning
-It’s dealing with toxic media who actually celebrate when our team loses.
-It’s dealing with toxic fans who listen to toxic media and spew incorrect narratives - it’s literally exhausting. It’s almost impossible to have an intellectual football convo with anyone about Dallas.
-It’s seeing players more interested in their podcast than winning.
-Worst is that there is no sign of real change or a desire to look through a critical lens. Keep filling the building and sell Chardonnay’s and Sushi pizza.
I could go on and on Joe…
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Bankerguy
Footballguy
As long as Jerry is involved - there is no “reasonably” and anything else is a waste of time and key strokes.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
For him to be better with interceptions, I'd say play like he knows how to play. He threw 9 interceptions in the regular season this year on 590 attempts. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2023/passing.htm
3 of those interceptions came against San Francisco. 2 more that lead to 14 points for Green Bay. There's work to be done if Dak and Mac are going to win a SB. You think it's possible, I disagree.
Forgive me, but since when are you a Cowboys fan?
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Eagles fans are tickled with their new DC. Is he bringing any decent Lbs and Dbs lol?
Bankerguy
Footballguy
Fangio has owned us.
General Malaise
Footballguy
For him to be better with interceptions, I'd say play like he knows how to play. He threw 9 interceptions in the regular season this year on 590 attempts. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2023/passing.htm
3 of those interceptions came against San Francisco. 2 more that lead to 14 points for Green Bay. There's work to be done if Dak and Mac are going to win a SB. You think it's possible, I disagree.
Forgive me, but since when are you a Cowboys fan?
Born at Baylor Hospital January 1973. First Dallas game Monday night against Eagles 1979. It was freezing cold.
I've shaken hands with Tom Landry and Jerry Jones. I have pictured autographs from Too Tall and Charles Haley, the latter of which my mom acquired from teaching his daughter how to read.
I rode through the 1-15 season and was in college when they turned it around. I wore my road blue Aikman jersey in the Super Dome on a Monday night in '94 or '95 and almost got jumped.
I've lived 2000 miles away ever since and being a fan still is.....hard. I no longer live in a Cowboys' echo chamber so I feel objective now when I view them vs when I lived there. My belief in Jerry Jones is hanging by a thread. I want a clutch QB like Aikman so I can talk trash to all the 49ers who live around me. I can't.
For me, it's hard and painful to remain a loyal and optimistic Cowboys' fan. I don't know how you do it when they continue to be regular season juggernauts and post-season flops. Show me the way?
Bankerguy
Footballguy
For him to be better with interceptions, I'd say play like he knows how to play. He threw 9 interceptions in the regular season this year on 590 attempts. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2023/passing.htm
3 of those interceptions came against San Francisco. 2 more that lead to 14 points for Green Bay. There's work to be done if Dak and Mac are going to win a SB. You think it's possible, I disagree.
Forgive me, but since when are you a Cowboys fan?
Born at Baylor Hospital January 1973. First Dallas game Monday night against Eagles 1979. It was freezing cold.
I've shaken hands with Tom Landry and Jerry Jones. I have pictured autographs from Too Tall and Charles Haley, the latter of which my mom acquired from teaching his daughter how to read.
I rode through the 1-15 season and was in college when they turned it around. I wore my road blue Aikman jersey in the Super Dome on a Monday night in '94 or '95 and almost got jumped.
I've lived 2000 miles away ever since and being a fan still is.....hard. I no longer live in a Cowboys' echo chamber so I feel objective now when I view them vs when I lived there. My belief in Jerry Jones is hanging by a thread. I want a clutch QB like Aikman so I can talk trash to all the 49ers who live around me. I can't.
For me, it's hard and painful to remain a loyal and optimistic Cowboys' fan. I don't know how you do it when they continue to be regular season juggernauts and post-season flops. Show me the way?
Sorry, I’ve been here since the paint was still wet. I just didn’t recall you posting in here at all.
I’m loyal - but not sure about the rest. I had no illusions of a SB this year, but watching yet another poor loss to a lesser team - just kind of leaves me numb and apathetic.
General Malaise
Footballguy
For him to be better with interceptions, I'd say play like he knows how to play. He threw 9 interceptions in the regular season this year on 590 attempts. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2023/passing.htm
3 of those interceptions came against San Francisco. 2 more that lead to 14 points for Green Bay. There's work to be done if Dak and Mac are going to win a SB. You think it's possible, I disagree.
Forgive me, but since when are you a Cowboys fan?
Born at Baylor Hospital January 1973. First Dallas game Monday night against Eagles 1979. It was freezing cold.
I've shaken hands with Tom Landry and Jerry Jones. I have pictured autographs from Too Tall and Charles Haley, the latter of which my mom acquired from teaching his daughter how to read.
I rode through the 1-15 season and was in college when they turned it around. I wore my road blue Aikman jersey in the Super Dome on a Monday night in '94 or '95 and almost got jumped.
I've lived 2000 miles away ever since and being a fan still is.....hard. I no longer live in a Cowboys' echo chamber so I feel objective now when I view them vs when I lived there. My belief in Jerry Jones is hanging by a thread. I want a clutch QB like Aikman so I can talk trash to all the 49ers who live around me. I can't.
For me, it's hard and painful to remain a loyal and optimistic Cowboys' fan. I don't know how you do it when they continue to be regular season juggernauts and post-season flops. Show me the way?
Sorry, I’ve been here since the paint was still wet. I just didn’t recall you posting in here at all.
I’m loyal - but not sure about the rest. I had no illusions of a SB this year, but watching yet another poor loss to a lesser team - just kind of leaves me numb and apathetic.
I'm not a Shark Pool poster but the Free For All is languid and this is where the action is now.
My frustration with the Cowboys comes originally from a place of love and loyalty. It's hard to be the lone Dallas fan in a bar on the west coast surrounded by Niners' fans when Dak barfs up interceptions. I don't have a fellow Dallas fan to console me. Just laghter in my face and taunts...."How about THESE Cowboys!".
It sucks. I'm tired. I'm not sure how much belief I have left.
Can we form support group?
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
For him to be better with interceptions, I'd say play like he knows how to play. He threw 9 interceptions in the regular season this year on 590 attempts. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2023/passing.htm
3 of those interceptions came against San Francisco. 2 more that lead to 14 points for Green Bay. There's work to be done if Dak and Mac are going to win a SB. You think it's possible, I disagree.
Forgive me, but since when are you a Cowboys fan?
Born at Baylor Hospital January 1973. First Dallas game Monday night against Eagles 1979. It was freezing cold.
I've shaken hands with Tom Landry and Jerry Jones. I have pictured autographs from Too Tall and Charles Haley, the latter of which my mom acquired from teaching his daughter how to read.
I rode through the 1-15 season and was in college when they turned it around. I wore my road blue Aikman jersey in the Super Dome on a Monday night in '94 or '95 and almost got jumped.
I've lived 2000 miles away ever since and being a fan still is.....hard. I no longer live in a Cowboys' echo chamber so I feel objective now when I view them vs when I lived there. My belief in Jerry Jones is hanging by a thread. I want a clutch QB like Aikman so I can talk trash to all the 49ers who live around me. I can't.
For me, it's hard and painful to remain a loyal and optimistic Cowboys' fan. I don't know how you do it when they continue to be regular season juggernauts and post-season flops. Show me the way?
Sorry, I’ve been here since the paint was still wet. I just didn’t recall you posting in here at all.
I’m loyal - but not sure about the rest. I had no illusions of a SB this year, but watching yet another poor loss to a lesser team - just kind of leaves me numb and apathetic.
I'm tired.
This about sums it up.
N Zone
Footballguy
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Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Eh, the boards Dolphins fans don’t seem very upset about losing him
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
I used to live and die with this ****
Now I still love the Cowboys, and I’ll never have another favorite team but I don’t take the losses near as hard. They’re expected actually which kinda sucks but it is what it is
I still talk smack with my buddies that are fans of other teams. But it’s just football …
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fasteddie_21
2006 NM Poker Champ
If Quinn gets a HC gig, who’s on your list to replace him?
Who do you WANT and who do you think MM picks?
Who do you WANT and who do you think MM picks?
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
VERY shocked to hear the Eagles would even talk to Kill Em Moore, much less hire him? Good thing is that Dallas will know every play coming 
.
I expected to hear Moore was let go from the Chargers and was seeking employment at some Junior High program in BFE.
What does anyone see in his ability to coach players and navigate an offense?
.I expected to hear Moore was let go from the Chargers and was seeking employment at some Junior High program in BFE.
What does anyone see in his ability to coach players and navigate an offense?
Football Jones
Footballguy
Fangio & Moore for Philly? A DC who just got run out of town by his own players & the same scheme they don't seem to have the personnel to run. Kellen Moore running the offense???
I like it.
I like it.
So if Dak convincingly beats Lamar in almost all catagories during arguably an MVP season then craps the bed in the playoffs, only to be said he should be cut, traded, etc.
What is being said about Lamar who basically gave this game away with overthrows and INT’s ? In Dallas, it was the Defense that gave up 45 points and made Love look like Rodgers. In Baltimore, the Defense held Mahomes to 17 points.
Hmmmm
What is being said about Lamar who basically gave this game away with overthrows and INT’s ? In Dallas, it was the Defense that gave up 45 points and made Love look like Rodgers. In Baltimore, the Defense held Mahomes to 17 points.
Hmmmm
I can’t speak to have Ravens fans feel about Lamar, but Dak’s playoff body of work is poor. There is no getting around it. There is a reasonable argument that this Dallas team is stuck, and that cutting Dak, taking the cap hit, signing the other FAs, and going with a different QB, may offer a more realistic shot at winning a title.
To your point though, there do seem to be some similarities: Lamar is now 2-4 in the playoffs, Dak is 2-5.
Yeah I’m not happy with playoff Dak either. Just seems that he catches **** way more than Lamar, who’s records and stats are not nearly as good. But I do think when you are America’s Team you are under a bigger microscope.
As far as cutting Dak and taking the hit, I just wonder if doing all that and then drafting a fairly low success rate of a late first round QB that take 2-3 years to develop , is the answer to getting us closer? You still have to upgrade in so many other positions also. I don’t know what the answer is but either one still seems likely that we are just like the other 30 teams- NOT holding the Lombardi in the end.
He definitely does, but I think Lamar will catch a lot of heat now. They were home and favored. The questions about being a championship QB, will come, and are merited.
I know I’m in the minority, and it is unlikely to happen, but I think the window with Dak will not open any further. We’ve hit the apex as a team; certainly we are good, 12 wins three straight years is solid and lots of teams would take this.
My concern is that he is 30, and any new contract will likely commit us for 250 million and Dak’s age 34 or 35 season- not a great equation for a player who will only decline. I think we’ve seen enough at this point, the playoff body of work is an 8 year sample size, and the needle hasn’t moved- at all.
We’re better off, even if it means a short term dip, in going in a different direction. His salary would become a Russell Wilson type albatross, preventing upgrades in other places.
Yes, the QB draft hit rate is low, maybe 20%, but when you hit, it changes the trajectory of your franchise. The single most valuable commodity in all of professional sports is a top flight QB on a rookie contract- it sets the team up for huge FA flexibility. Given that the Cowboys draft well, I believe that they could draft surrounding talent to reload quickly.
All good points. It’s a slippery slope for sure. Thanks for the conversation.
100%. And it's super interesting.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Would you not allow that Zay Flowers played a pivotal role in this loss? Game looks a LOT different absent his ridiculous penalty and then to follow that up with the fumble running it in the end zone (which was an incredible play by Snead of KC) just put a nail in the Ravens.
Dak gacked up 14 points to the Packers before halftime.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Man even if you disagree with the 4th down calls, and rate the completely blown clock management (which was awful), there's so much more to coaching than in game management. DC is probably a top...8? coach in the NFL today.
Shanahan, Reid, McVay, Harbaugh (BAL) feel like a tier
Tomlin, Harbaugh (LA), Campbell, McDaniel feel like a tier
I'd probably put Vrabel in here, but he's not in the NFL right now. Payton maybe up here too.
And McCarthy...idk but he's not like the next guy on the list to me.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
My humour is an acquired taste, but Campbell is a good coach, but awful at decision making.
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Instinctive
Footballguy
Generally he's been exceptionally good. The go for 2 from the 7 vs us and the blown final 3rd and goal run that ended the game for all intents and purposes were atrociously bad.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
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