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2024 Detroit Lions: Draft complete. (10 Viewers)

I hated the Amendola signing at first, but if the rumors hold up and Crowder/Humphries get big cash, I can live with it.  Hopefully, he's not the starting slot, and Powell takes a big step, or they snag someone in the draft.  If that happens, Amendola isn't a bad option to have as the mentor/locker room guy and 4/5 wr.  If things go really sideways, he will at least give them someone they can count on to be where he is supposed to be.   

 
Well dan orlovsky loves the moves......

Smart signings by the @Lions today and examples why some signing aren’t as “sexy” as others. Smart/efficient/effective and ones that make money allow for bigger signings like a Flowers/Coleman. Amendola way cheaper than a GT-allows for the “bigger” signings. Well done BQ

 
Ilov80s said:
Interesting. When I listen to some of the podcasts, Kenny and Kerryon are two the players people seem most excited for this year. 
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If they don't add a WR high in the draft, I'm all in on Marvin Jones as this year's Emmanuel Sanders, ie top-20 WR who goes way later than that.

 
I mentioned it earlier in the thread, but one thing you want to do in free agency at the minimum is plug the gaping holes so that when the draft comes round you are no longer looking at need over position. You can now draft what is hopefully the best player available.

 
big fan of the Flowers signing.  it would be nice if Coleman can play but I know next to nothing about him.  how much was he projected to get?  9M seems like a lot. 

 
jomar said:
big fan of the Flowers signing.  it would be nice if Coleman can play but I know next to nothing about him.  how much was he projected to get?  9M seems like a lot. 
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There was a huge gap between Slay as the #1 and the other guys, a fairly high draft pick + Coleman shores up that situation. There are more NFL plays with 3 corners than 2.

 
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Holy ####. Lions are on fire - 

#Lions have agreed to a deal with former #Steelers TE Jesse James, source says. Detroit remains active.

 
James got overshadowed by Vance McDonald last year, but obviously instantly the #1 for the Lions. The three last year combined for 43/450/4, which isn't ridiculous for him to manage alone.

 
James isn’t much of a pass catcher but he’s supposed to be a very good blocker. I don’t think that rules out a Fant or Hock pick. Lions still have holes at S, LB and outside CB. A trade back would be incredible for what their needs are. If we stay at 8, OL wouldn’t surprise me either.

Also I’m totally fine still going edge at 8. A team can never have enough pass rushers. Plus I think Flowers is the type that plays IDL on passing downs a lot. He’s not the traditional edge rusher. This probably means if Q falls to the Lions at 8 it will be really hard to pull the trigger.

 
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Loving us coming out the gates of FA fast and decisive tbh. 

Coleman seems to have gone under the radar somewhat but projected very well on PFF and apparently had two very good years at the Seahawks, not missing a game. High school team mate and friends with Slay as well. 

Flowers, I love it. Patricia clearly knows him well and thinks he has the correct mentality for where he wants to take the Lions. Our Defensive Tackles  were great last year, Hopefully Flowers is a more regularly on the field version of Ansah for us. Had great QB pressure numbers

Amendola, meh, I don’t mind it in light of the fact we have spent money elsewhere. Probably a good locker room presence. 

I like Jesse James. Good blocker and I actually think he has pretty decent hands and gets himself open. Perhaps under-utilised behind Vance Macdonald and ready to be a main TE. 

Hard not to be pleased. Our D came on strong last year with not much talent and I have some faith in Quinn and Patricia to hand pick defensive players they know, that they think can come in and improve our D further. 

 
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TartanLion said:
Loving us coming out the gates of FA fast and decisive tbh. 

Coleman seems to have gone under the radar somewhat but projected very well on PFF and apparently had two very good years at the Seahawks, not missing a game. High school team mate and friends with Slay as well. 

Flowers, I love it. Patricia clearly knows him well and thinks he has the correct mentality for where he wants to take the Lions. Our Defensive Tackles  were great last year, Hopefully Flowers is a more regularly on the field version of Ansah for us. Had great QB pressure numbers

Amendola, meh, I don’t mind it in light of the fact we have spent money elsewhere. Probably a good locker room presence. 

I like Jesse James. Good blocker and I actually think he has pretty decent hands and gets himself open. Perhaps under-utilised behind Vance Macdonald and ready to be a main TE. 

Hard not to be pleased. Our D came on strong last year with not much talent and I have some faith in Quinn and Patricia to hand pick defensive players they know, that they think can come in and improve our D further. 
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The draft is the part 2, we will see how that goes. I agree with 80s that you can't have too many edge rushers.

 
The Lions D-line next year with PFF grades:
DT Damon Harrison – 92.1
DT A’Shawn Robinson – 89.9
DT/DE Da’Shawn Hand – 87.3
DE Trey Flowers – 89.7

Stole that from another Lions forum. Add in Kennard, Davis, and maybe now if we draft another LB like Devin White and we could be a pretty fearsome front 7 

 
TartanLion said:
The Lions D-line next year with PFF grades:
DT Damon Harrison – 92.1
DT A’Shawn Robinson – 89.9
DT/DE Da’Shawn Hand – 87.3
DE Trey Flowers – 89.7

Stole that from another Lions forum. Add in Kennard, Davis, and maybe now if we draft another LB like Devin White and we could be a pretty fearsome front 7 
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Drafting Burns to bump down Okwara or even go crazier and get Gary who’s another half DE and half DT to create a really versatile front 5. 

 
Ilov80s said:
Drafting Burns to bump down Okwara or even go crazier and get Gary who’s another half DE and half DT to create a really versatile front 5. 
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Yes, the great thing is that it looks like we have filled some major needs before the draft, so our flexibility on who we can draft is looking pretty good - LB, DE, TE, CB, Oline,  - we can hopefully upgrade any one of those at number 8 in the draft, but none of them are in a desperate state. 

 
I’m curious if they will have enough money to sign one of the dozen safeties available or a guy to run behind KJ.

 
jomar said:
if we can trade down.  I hope he wouldn't be in the convo at 8. 

I also think White will be BPA when we're on the clock.  I like him better than Sweat, Gary, and Ferrell. 
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I kind of like Bush more but I saw a lot more of him than White 

 
It’s impossible to know how much cap space the Lions have left until the structures of the deals become public, but the foursome of Flowers, Coleman, tight end Jesse James and wide receiver Danny Amendola will eat well over half of the $45 million the Lions had entering the day.

Still might make a play for Adrian Amos or Ha Ha Clinton-Dix; if they land a safety, would be a strong finish to FA signings.

Loved how aggressive they were coming out of the gate: 

  • Flowers is a great player, absolute home run signing - every report has this as a grade A. But I'm not surprised to see people in the thread criticizing it, same old Lions fans.  :P
  • Coleman as 5th highest paid nickel back is about right as long as they're getting the 2017 version when he ranked with Diggs and Chris Harris as one of the best slot corners.
  • James is not special but a lot of teams were targeting him; going into his 5th year and still only 24, great blocker and good all around player.
  • Amendola - meh, it's a cheap stop gap. Don't expect much from a 33 year old journeyman and he's never been great at YAC, but the price was OK, just a 1-year deal.
 
Looks like Amos is headed to the Packers. No word on the landing spot for Dix yet.

Good point by @whoknew in the FA Signings thread:

Jesse James is 24 turning 25.

Justin Coleman is 25 turning 26.

Trey Flowers is 25 turning 26.
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Ha Ha is 26 turning 27. Let someone else overpay for Earl Thomas (29 turning 30.)

 
BobbyLayne said:
It’s impossible to know how much cap space the Lions have left until the structures of the deals become public, but the foursome of Flowers, Coleman, tight end Jesse James and wide receiver Danny Amendola will eat well over half of the $45 million the Lions had entering the day.

Still might make a play for Adrian Amos or Ha Ha Clinton-Dix; if they land a safety, would be a strong finish to FA signings.

Loved how aggressive they were coming out of the gate: 

  • Flowers is a great player, absolute home run signing - every report has this as a grade A. But I'm not surprised to see people in the thread criticizing it, same old Lions fans.  :P
  • Coleman as 5th highest paid nickel back is about right as long as they're getting the 2017 version when he ranked with Diggs and Chris Harris as one of the best slot corners.
  • James is not special but a lot of teams were targeting him; going into his 5th year and still only 24, great blocker and good all around player.
  • Amendola - meh, it's a cheap stop gap. Don't expect much from a 33 year old journeyman and he's never been great at YAC, but the price was OK, just a 1-year deal.



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Washington Post called the Lions one of the big losers of FA so far.  They said the Lions were dumb for adding all these NE retreads thinking they can have the same success without Bill and Brady. 

 
Ilov80s said:
Washington Post called the Lions one of the big losers of FA so far.  They said the Lions were dumb for adding all these NE retreads thinking they can have the same success without Bill and Brady. 
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Local radio guy thinks it's a concerted effort to eliminate the bad eggs in the locker room. They only want players that are already bought into the pat type system.

 
Ilov80s said:
Washington Post called the Lions one of the big losers of FA so far.  They said the Lions were dumb for adding all these NE retreads thinking they can have the same success without Bill and Brady. 
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Flowers per PFF:

Flowers, a 2015 fourth-round pick out of Arkansas, has turned in 76.2-plus overall grades in each of the three seasons in which he’s played significant snaps, improving every year to en route to his 90.4 overall grade this year. 

Flowers recorded an 18.5 pass-rush win percentage across his 443 pass-rush snaps in 2018, which is tied for third with Denver Broncos’ Miller among edge defenders with 300 pass-rush snaps on the year. He recorded 65 total pressures (44 hurries, 12 hits and nine sacks) in the process, good for the fourth-highest pressure percentage (14.7%) among the same group of edge defenders.

Flowers’ three-year pass-rush win percentage (15.7%) now ranks tied for 15th among the 54 edge defenders with 800 pass-rush snaps in the last three years, and it’s not even his strongest attribute.

Adding an 88.4 run-defense grade in 2018, which ranked third among qualifiers, Flowers’ three-year run-defense grade (84.7) ranks ninth among the 61 NFL edge defenders with 500-plus run-defense snaps in that span. His three-year run-stop percentage (8.5%) also ranks 10th among the same group of edge defenders.
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WaPo is entitled to their opinion, but the guy put up numbers that are exceeded only by Mack and Miller. I like that he's just as effective against the run as he is at getting pressure, so it's not like they overpaid for a specialist.

As for Coleman, he fell off a bit last year (CB54) but was top shelf in 2017. 

Those two are pretty young to be calling retreads.

Amendola - can't believe anyone would weight this heavily.

 
Surprised Tate hasn't signed with anyone yet (Steelers or Jags would be logical choice.) He'll be 31 his summer, meaning he probably has 3-4 high level years left.

Even with a down year / less targets & production in 2018, led the league in missed tackles. Lions couldn't really afford to pay him with their many other needs but I expect him to sign with someone. Seems like right now the only buzz is stuff he & his agent are trying to generate themselves.

 
Wow Anthony Barr decided to stiff the Jets is going back to the Vikes.

Just a reminder none of these purported deals is done until there's ink on paper tomorrow.

 
Ilov80s said:
Washington Post called the Lions one of the big losers of FA so far.  They said the Lions were dumb for adding all these NE retreads thinking they can have the same success without Bill and Brady. 
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Just lazy and crap journalism. Easy to write the ex Patriots angle. Flowers is very adaptable, this fits perfectly into our D  and has potentially only scratched the surface of what he can do. 

 
TartanLion said:
Just lazy and crap journalism. Easy to write the ex Patriots angle. Flowers is very adaptable, this fits perfectly into our D  and has potentially only scratched the surface of what he can do. 
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Sports reporting has gone the same way as cable tv. More choices just dilutes the talent pool and there ends up being a lot of crap thrown out there.

 
TartanLion said:
Just lazy and crap journalism. Easy to write the ex Patriots angle. Flowers is very adaptable, this fits perfectly into our D  and has potentially only scratched the surface of what he can do. 
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Though Flowers has been primarily a DE, he spent quite a few snaps as a DT earlier in his career. He's not a standup edge rusher who can drop off in coverage but I think he's a guy who is very effective against both the run and the pass. I prefer that type of Edge over say a speed rusher who is ineffective as a run stuffer.

Though he led the Pats in Sacks, TFL and QB Hits the last two seasons, his breakout game was in the Pats comeback win versus the Falcons. Pretty good film breakdown here:

Super Bowl LI - breakdown of Trey Flowers versatility

 
I like the ZZ re-signing because under this guys offense there will be multiple backs used. I know this because in my FF league I owned all 3 Seattle backs at one time or another.  Bad from a FF aspect, but they could run the ball as well as any team out there.

 
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