The long snapper, Teez Tabor and the Gronk deal …. three screwups. Crushes your hope for the future. I hate being pessimistic like this.OMG. Schefter reported 2 years ago the Lions were offering NE a 1st round pick for Gronk but the deal fell threw because Gronk threatened to retire. We knew there was a deal in place. We didn’t know the compensation. Quinn is a moron.
My 79-year-old father just survived 10 days in the hospital with COVID. Four years ago he had another near-death experience when he came down with encephalitis.So if miracle were to ever happen and the Lions made it to a Super Bowl in our lifetime, who here would spend the big money to attend?
I can definitely relate. A few years ago I was at a baseball game between two teams I didn't care about. The visiting team hit a bunch of home runs, and the fans dutifully threw the balls back on the field. My first thought was that if that happened to me at Comerica, I wouldn't feel any obligation to throw the ball back. My second thought was that I also wouldn't care enough about the ball to keep it.matuski said:Honestly not sure.
As I get older my sports teams are less and less important.
I prob rather take my family to the carribbean or something.
and funny enough the guy taken at 1 was by the far the worst of the lotAs a companion piece, here are the draft positions of the last 5 Super Bowl winning QBs. Once again without comment.
Patrick Mahomes - 10
Tom Brady - 199
Nick Foles - 88
Tom Brady - 199
Peyton Manning -1
I agree, mainly on the alcohol part.If they can trade back to 5 or 6, and land some extra dart throws, I won’t care if they take Okudah, Simmons or Brown. Just the fact that Quinn didn’t sit on his hands and use the “it takes two teams to trade” bs would make the draft a success to me. My expectations are that low.
I could see them really screwing up and doing something like trading back to the Jags for 9 and Fournette.
I’m killing my own excitement for the draft by dreaming up all the ways QuinTricia will mess this up. Grateful for the alcohol I will consume to ease the pain of being a Lions fan.
So Miami keeps the 3 and the 5? I think that's too much of a drop, Miami would have to include a future 1st. If they were going to trade down that far, I wouldn't be surprised if BB convinced the Lions to trade down with the Patriots for the 23rd pick, a can of soup, and a promise to hire both Quinn and Patricia back after they get fired by the Lions.A trade idea that I believe started on good morning football is now the latest rumor on local radio. Detroit gives up the 3 and receives the 18th, 26th and 39th picks from Miami.
Some nice dart throws but I don’t trust Quinn to get the picks right.
Nah man, this is the year!If they can trade back to 5 or 6, and land some extra dart throws, I won’t care if they take Okudah, Simmons or Brown. Just the fact that Quinn didn’t sit on his hands and use the “it takes two teams to trade” bs would make the draft a success to me. My expectations are that low.
I could see them really screwing up and doing something like trading back to the Jags for 9 and Fournette.
I’m killing my own excitement for the draft by dreaming up all the ways QuinTricia will mess this up. Grateful for the alcohol I will consume to ease the pain of being a Lions fan.
This is exactly why I believe other teams will not pay a premium price to move up to 3. They know Quinn will not draft a QB at 3. The Giants took a QB early last year. Miami and SD will get a QB staying where they are at.OMG. Schefter reported 2 years ago the Lions were offering NE a 1st round pick for Gronk but the deal fell threw because Gronk threatened to retire. We knew there was a deal in place. We didn’t know the compensation. Quinn is a moron.
It is a good thought but I would rather build with picks. If we were even remotely close to being a playoff team I would jump on it. I don’t trust Patricia to maximize a star defensive talent like that at this point, so it makes no sense to pay that kind of salary.I’m not sure if you guys would have the cap space to swing this, but Gil Brandt is reporting that Chris Jones might be on the move. Would Jones + 1.32 for 1.03 interest you?
Lions end up with the best DT in the league not named Aaron Donald and still get a first round selection. Chiefs get needed cap relief and a blue chip defensive prospect. I’d like that deal for both teams.
I think I do it and trust that Detroit would use him properly. We might take Derrick Brown at 3 and his ceiling probably isn't as high as what have already seen from Jones.I’m not sure if you guys would have the cap space to swing this, but Gil Brandt is reporting that Chris Jones might be on the move. Would Jones + 1.32 for 1.03 interest you?
Lions end up with the best DT in the league not named Aaron Donald and still get a first round selection. Chiefs get needed cap relief and a blue chip defensive prospect. I’d like that deal for both teams.
If you're not remotely close to being a playoff team then why not take a QB?It is a good thought but I would rather build with picks. If we were even remotely close to being a playoff team I would jump on it. I don’t trust Patricia to maximize a star defensive talent like that at this point, so it makes no sense to pay that kind of salary.
If it were up to me it is because I am not convinced that I like any of the quarterbacks available at the three spot. I also don’t think it is the biggest concern on the team (unless Stafford’s back is worse than we know).If you're not remotely close to being a playoff team then why not take a QB?
Martha might have forgot about that by now.Lions have the cap space, but it's a good point how far they are right now. But due to Martha's "ultimatum" , I could see a trade for picks happening.
I like it. Giving the morons more darts to throw would increase their chances of hitting on something.Rumors out there are Miami wants to be up to 3 for an OT. Also, floated that they want to do it without giving up 5. Would you support Detroit trading 1.3 for 1.18, 1.26 and 2.7
That could mean the Lions could have something that looks like this after the first 2 days:
WR Justin Jefferson LSU
OT Isaiah Wilson UGA
CB Kristian Foulton LSU
DE A.J. Espenesa IOWA
DT Justin Madubuike TEX AM
RB Zach Moss UTAH
That's a lot of holes filled and potential rookie contributors.
If SD wants Tua they could trade up and Miami could see their attempt and create a bidding war.This is exactly why I believe other teams will not pay a premium price to move up to 3. They know Quinn will not draft a QB at 3. The Giants took a QB early last year. Miami and SD will get a QB staying where they are at.
Lions need a playmaker. Right now I want Simmons. Matty-Patty is a defensive genius right?
Derrick Brown is good but can`t get to the passer. We don`t need another Snacks at 3 overall.
I really don't like that move. I would rather have one of the options at 3 (or ideally trade down a bit) on a rookie deal. I don't know how much longer Jones is signed for, but with the Lions' history, I wouldn't expect that he'd re-sign with the Lions, so they would likely only have him for a couple of seasons, where they should have at least 5 with the rookie.I’m not sure if you guys would have the cap space to swing this, but Gil Brandt is reporting that Chris Jones might be on the move. Would Jones + 1.32 for 1.03 interest you?
Lions end up with the best DT in the league not named Aaron Donald and still get a first round selection. Chiefs get needed cap relief and a blue chip defensive prospect. I’d like that deal for both teams.
Jones is tagged and needs a long-term deal. I imagine any trade would be contingent on Jones getting a new contract, similar to the Buckner/Colts trade we saw last month.I really don't like that move. I would rather have one of the options at 3 (or ideally trade down a bit) on a rookie deal. I don't know how much longer Jones is signed for, but with the Lions' history, I wouldn't expect that he'd re-sign with the Lions, so they would likely only have him for a couple of seasons, where they should have at least 5 with the rookie.
The Lions really aren't in a position where they should be setting the market cost on anyone. And to get him to go from the Super Bowl champs to the Lions, the only way he agrees to that is if he becomes the highest paid player at his position. I really can't see the logic in that, which is why it is a distinct possibility.Jones is tagged and needs a long-term deal. I imagine any trade would be contingent on Jones getting a new contract, similar to the Armstead/Colts trade we saw last month.
I think Schefter said that teams don’t want to trade on the fly due to the technical issues so expect teams to already have trades in place contingent on certain players being available.And maybe the New England connection pays off in this instance. Maybe the Lions and Dolphins already have a deal in place, but they don't want to announce it until the Lions are on the clock, so SD (or some wild card team) can't make a crazy offer to Washington.
To move from 18 to 3 should take more than that imo.Rumors out there are Miami wants to be up to 3 for an OT. Also, floated that they want to do it without giving up 5. Would you support Detroit trading 1.3 for 1.18, 1.26 and 2.7
That could mean the Lions could have something that looks like this after the first 2 days:
WR Justin Jefferson LSU
OT Isaiah Wilson UGA
CB Kristian Foulton LSU
DE A.J. Espenesa IOWA
DT Justin Madubuike TEX AM
RB Zach Moss UTAH
That's a lot of holes filled and potential rookie contributors.
Should fetch more but what if it doesn’t and that’s the best offer?To move from 18 to 3 should take more than that imo.
Also a move from 32 to 3 should also take more. Not a knock on the player, but players in this situation come at a discount, not a premium. We see all sorts of undervalued trades these days- guys on expiring contracts that a team can’t resign because of friction or cap space that go for 4th rd picks.
I stay and pick or take another deal that keeps me in the top 10 should one exist. If not then I take the top player on my board.Should fetch more but what if it doesn’t and that’s the best offer?
Hmmm... I don't know. Given how often players-even top 10 players- bust, I think I would rather have the 3 extra top 40 picks.I stay and pick or take another deal that keeps me in the top 10 should one exist. If not then I take the top player on my board.
The value chart does not mean squat unless Quinn could make good choices at those spots, his track history proves otherwise.Miami's 5 is still in play, probably without Detroit's player being any different than what they would take at 3.
Value chart says their 39 would be the extra pick.
https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/games/draft-pick-value.php#pickvalues
I was just making the point that the lions would lose nothing and still get a free pick. Who knows what they will do with it, they still got to make the trade.The value chart does not mean squat unless Quinn could make good choices at those spots, his track history proves otherwise.
I just read the pre-draft report on Tavai last year. Projection 5th rd, special teams player, backup LB. Quinn take him with second rd pick.
Because Matt Patricia has a very specific defense that doesn't match what most of the NFL does. So to his scheme, Tavai was very valuable. They said he was probably the only player in the draft who could fill the role. Now this might speak to how awful the system is. When draftniks rank the players, they have to rank them generically. For example their is DT from Auburn named Marlon Davidson who isn't a very hot name but is likely a lot higher on the Pats, Lions and Fins draft boards than anyone else. He is a perfect fit for their scheme and not so much with other teams. So his value changes depending where he lands.The value chart does not mean squat unless Quinn could make good choices at those spots, his track history proves otherwise.
I just read the pre-draft report on Tavai last year. Projection 5th rd, special teams player, backup LB. Quinn take him with second rd pick.
True and worst case scenario is you added a high end OT prospect.So take the top tackle and either keep him (my vote), or ransom him off for more picks. If that is what the other teams want, do it backwards.
Great, so Patricia's defense is so specific that when this regime leaves, the roster will be full of players that suck in any standard defense. But, looking at their performance the past couple of seasons, they pretty much suck in his scheme too.Because Matt Patricia has a very specific defense that doesn't match what most of the NFL does. So to his scheme, Tavai was very valuable. They said he was probably the only player in the draft who could fill the role. Now this might speak to how awful the system is. When draftniks rank the players, they have to rank them generically. For example their is DT from Auburn named Marlon Davidson who isn't a very hot name but is likely a lot higher on the Pats, Lions and Fins draft boards than anyone else. He is a perfect fit for their scheme and not so much with other teams. So his value changes depending where he lands.
Or, imho - the best case scenario.True and worst case scenario is you added a high end OT prospect.
I'm sure Patricia sees it as added job security.Great, so Patricia's defense is so specific that when this regime leaves, the roster will be full of players that suck in any standard defense.
I hope you are right. If Quinn screws this up it’s time for another Millen Man March...Going to be multiple teams salivating to get their QB at 3, trade back baby
Yep. It always shocks me when these owners or GMs hire a coach and build a roster for a 3-4 defense and two years later, hire another coach who wants to go back to a 4-3. Seems like senseless waste.Great, so Patricia's defense is so specific that when this regime leaves, the roster will be full of players that suck in any standard defense. But, looking at their performance the past couple of seasons, they pretty much suck in his scheme too.
Regarding Tavai you need to have the balls to let him drop some before you pick him. I think Tavai was slotted for the 4th-5th round by other teams. A second rounder shouldn't be burned on a player that only you had ranked that high.Because Matt Patricia has a very specific defense that doesn't match what most of the NFL does. So to his scheme, Tavai was very valuable. They said he was probably the only player in the draft who could fill the role. Now this might speak to how awful the system is. When draftniks rank the players, they have to rank them generically. For example their is DT from Auburn named Marlon Davidson who isn't a very hot name but is likely a lot higher on the Pats, Lions and Fins draft boards than anyone else. He is a perfect fit for their scheme and not so much with other teams. So his value changes depending where he lands.