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I agree that QB has unmatched value, but you don’t start rebuilding a franchise by making your first pick in a guy you are hoping to trade. If he is available and they believe in him then they should draft him. If not, trade down or take the guy you that you want.
That’s where I was at before the 49ers/Dolphins/Eagles made their swaps. Doesn’t feel like we have many willing trade partners and anybody looking at a QB probably doesn’t have to worry about the Lions taking one.
If there’s a qb left when we pick, someone will want to jump above Carolina, who could still take a qb I think. Not worth moving back if we only pick up a 3rd.
You rebuild a franchise IMO by extracting the most value from your draft picks. After a trade back, taking a QB like Fields would do that.
Right, it is a very rare situation where Lions wouldn't get a great trade back offer. Only case would be if a team was calling our bluff thinking no way we take a QB. If that happens, take the QB and force them to make the trade offer to us.
This year, I don't think that the teams have to believe Detroit is taking the QB, just that Carolina and/or Denver would.
Lions didn't risk a sign and trade with Golladay. May suggest that Lions, if Fields isn't their guy, wouldn't risk a pick and then trade with Fields.
True but I think we saw the difference between QB and WR in the market. Nobody except the Giants was offering any money to any WRs. QBs were in bidding wars.
There are some players who fall in the PFF simulator that I just can't see. I feel like Jamin Davis and Jamar Johnson always last to rounds 3 and 4. I would lose my mind if Detroit could get those guys there but I think both are 2nd rounders. And Milton Williams in round 4 also, wooo.
Completely agree, the PFF simulator is pretty much trash. Davis will be there in the 4th round which is not gonna happen, though it's not insane to think the Lions could get him at #72 (or Browning or Surrat.)Ilov80s said:
Parsons could be the proverbial beast on defense. I think Rondale Moore goes in the 2nd round.
Which is why this is a multi year rebuild
He scares me so much. I see Jarrad Davis all over again. Ray Charles at the helm of a rocket.
Yeah he's got a few things that seem pretty sketchy. It doesn't seem to be a single incident either but a pattern.
If you dont trade back from 7 the Lions PFF draft seems limited and with fewer trade back opportunities after 7.
No offense to you because I know you used the draft value chart and it does work but if New England called me with that offer I would laugh and ask them what their serious offer is. We are assuming this team isn't just trading up for a typical 7th pick but a franchise QB. I make them pay a franchise QB price, not a generic 7th pick price.
Fair enough, I'm just giving the base value. Any added value would be because of what you said. The team holding the higher pick has reason to ask for more and should probably get it.
Would be very interesting to see what could happen if Denver and New England wanted that 7th pick. How high could we drive the price up to? Seems like if teams are locked into a QB and really want him, they are willing to pay a huge price. Maybe Detroit will finally have some good luck. I wonder if Detroit might have already spoken with some of these teams about a possible deal if player X makes it there. We could even have different teams looking for a different QB at 7.
Who would be the 2 or 3 guys you would want the Lions to target if they were able to move back into the teens?
Someone that was originally a top 10 pick but got bumped because of a run on certain positions. Slater, Parsons, Waddle are a few that might fill a need. But gotta find at least one dance partner first.
Would be incredible for one of those guys to make if there to Detroit (assuming a deal was made). We might have to settle for a step down like Bateman or one of the other OTs.
Depending how far we trade back I wouldn’t mind Bateman. I think he has a good chance on being one of the better skill position players in this class.
I’m all about LB, CB, S & DI when I run mocks. I could list the usual suspects but Imma be honest - maybe Nick Bolton-Eric Stokes-Ar’Darius Washington-Daviyon Nixon is the perfect draft, but there’s a nonzero chance I’m just a bored fanatic who really doesn’t know how to scout defensive players (but I can parrot X-spurts lol.)
Giving a QB a little more time never hurts. And need to get the ground game going enough to make play action work.
This draft can’t be wack-a-mole when they’re walking in with only six picks. Sewell or Slater takes a good O-line to elite talent. That is building the foundation first (IMO), make a position group strength even better.
I would love Hurst and was surprised he was released and then cleared waivers. Maybe there is something we don't know? Teams probably want to evaluate him since he does have that heart condition.
That was my first thought but nothing came out over the last 3 days so I’m chalking it up to the usual Mayock/Grudem incompetence.
Parsons, Collins, Owusu-Koramoah, Paye or Barmore, or one of the CBs on D. Any of those could be good picks in the teens. I would be okay with drafting one of the WRs if they traded back, too. I would prefer they not draft Waddle or Smith, because their size really scares me.
BL, any thoughts on Quintez Cephus? I think he could be a valuable #2/possession-type -- (dis)agree?
I’m not seeing it. To me his cap is as a WR3/4. He’s not especially athletic, neither fast or quick. He’s a strong kid and catches the ball well. He didn’t force his way into the lineup, but when injuries hit he was capable. He gained Stafford’s trust by being where he supposed to be. Nothing special IMO.
I find myself doing the exact same thing when I use that simulator. There are always trade back offers, and I wind up at the bottom of the 1st with multiple 2nd/3rds in 2021, as well as more picks for 2022. I then wonder whether any of it is possible in reality. Definitely like the drafts better when I trade down a couple times than when I stay put at 7, even if Chase or Sewell are there. I attribute that to recognizing what an overwhelming roster flush the Lions need.
