Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Just think how good this 6-5 team (with all 5 losses vs. apparent playoff bound teams) would be if they could improve on this. But instead we continue to get the Johnny one-notes who obsess over individual players or coaches.
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2024 Detroit Lions: Draft complete. (14 Viewers)
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Watched the failed implosion of the silver dome this morning. The old girl is still standing.
Many ex-Lions were there...so funny a female reporter was talking to an ex-Lion player and he was saying how many great games they had there, and how hard the field was, then at the end she says "Who are you?" It was Luther Bradley.
Many ex-Lions were there...so funny a female reporter was talking to an ex-Lion player and he was saying how many great games they had there, and how hard the field was, then at the end she says "Who are you?" It was Luther Bradley.
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Without a doubt the teams weakness. Can't get pressure on opposing QB's, are not good at stopping the run, absolutely can't run the ball in short yardage situations and do a poor job at protecting the QB. Outsiders think it is Stafford fault this team does not win playoff games, when in fact it is a miracle this team has made it to the playoffs in recent years.
I really don't like this week's matchup against Baltimore. A team which likes to run and a team with a good pass defense and on the road where Lions are typically a really bad road team. This is a must-win for the Lions as they probablyl need 11 wins to get an NFC wildcard. Two teams may make it with 10, but the Lions do not have any tie-breakers against them. They could be practically eliminated this week.
Raging weasel
Footballguy
That was funny and ironic, even 300 pounds of TNT couldn't get it done in a must win situation there. Probably discover an old graveyard on the site when they finally get it torn down.
The Captain
Footballguy
Scary how much money Quinn threw at the oline and they still suck. I’ve wanted them to draft a RB and then all defense in 2018, but that still leaves a crap oline. Maybe move Glasgow to center (his natural position) and draft/buy a left guard? So many holes to fill.
That said, the last time Stafford had a good RB was in 2011 (Best), the Lions started 5-0 and fell back to earth after Best went down in the Harbaugh backslap game. Give Stafford a stud RB and this offense takes off, in-spite of the oline. My 2cents.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Interestingly, reading the Baltimore Sun and a couple Ravens blogs, their beat writers / fans / followers share similar concerns. "Tough spot for the Ravens", who basically have the worst passing game in the league. Remember when Flacco was a bomber? With his current WRs everything is underneath.
I expect to see an uptick in Woodhead's snaps and he should see a lot targets. From the Lions perspective, I think Danny v. Tahir on passing downs and Jarrad Davis v. Alex Collins on running downs are key matchups (and for all his justified criticism for his awful coverage last year, Whitehead has been more than adequate in coverage this year.) I don't anticipate Slay, Quinn, et al, having trouble minimizing the impact of Maclin & Wallace. Baltimore's WR3/WR4 combo (Moore & the perpetual breakout candidate Perriman) have a pathetic 16/52 catch rate in 2017. Watson could do some damage - the Lions are terrific at making mediocre TEs look awesome - but this new dime package where they lineup Tabor in Davis' spot has been working well the last couple games. Think Wilson is out today, and Killebrew has just not been making the impact plays we saw late last year and early this season. Miles needs to step up today. If we get a good push from Freeney today that would be awesome, and supposedly Ansah is healthy. These last four games will go a long ways in Quinn deciding whether to pick up Ziggy's $18M option or letting him walk in March.
Suggs on Decker will be fun to see, Taylor has been less than perfect since he came back. Not even gonna discuss our run game. You're going to see a dynamic back running behind a mediocre line today, and Alex Collins will run for at at least 120 today. The Lions have faced 2nd and 9 or longer 55% of the time. W.T.H. They'll keep running those guys into a no-holes-open on first all day and we'll be grinding our teeth (Abdullah is actually top ten in elusive factor but he's not the answer IMO.) But Marvin is on a roll, Golladay chips in a 40 yard reception almost every week - he has 4 over 40 this year, which is like 6th or 7th in the league, on minimal usage - and hopefully Golden gets back on track. Even 85 makes a play once in awhile. Matthew has to put the team on his back today.
Prater v. Tucker should be a good show. FGs will be huge today.
Lions 26, Ravens 23
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I am planning on benching Stafford and Jones today in favor Winston and Collins/Burkhead. I hate to do it because both have been pretty solid for me all season. Just like the matchups better and Marvin is probably setup for a dud game after being a real stud lately. Stafford should have a decent day, but Golladay will be the one doing the real damage.
I really do like having Freeney. I was going to bench the Lions defense today but I think the added pressure that Freeney will provide will result in a big play (tm) by the secondary. Really shocked Seattle let him go, but I think they were in a bind. He still has a bit of gas in the tank.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Along with "and there's a steal by Bird...underneath to D.J."
that play has been on continuous loop for decades.
Comes to mind whenever we have a lead and I start thinking "In what wondrous way will they lose this one?"
Or "Which NFL obscure NFL rule will we all learn today?"
The Captain
Footballguy
Bad matchup, but it is finally TION GREEN TIME!!!
RenegadeGM
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
#speculativeaddBad matchup, but it is finally TION GREEN TIME!!!
Kidding, we don't have 20+ rosters
The Captain
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Two weeks in a row the Lions didn’t have enough players on the field. On Thanksgiving it resulted in any easy TD. Yesterday it was a 23 yard completion on 3rd & 7 in a one score game - versus NINE players. How is that not someone’s job to count to 11??
Hoping Austin gets that HC job this year.
Hoping Austin gets that HC job this year.
The Captain
Footballguy
If Quinn was really smart he’d give Austin a 4 game audition right now. I don’t want him coaching the Lions long term but would love Caldwell to be gone and the search for a replacement to begin.Two weeks in a row the Lions didn’t have enough players on the field. On Thanksgiving it resulted in any easy TD. Yesterday it was a 23 yard completion on 3rd & 7 in a one score game - versus NINE players. How is that not someone’s job to count to 11??
Hoping Austin gets that HC job this year.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Caldwell is coming back next year. Quinn has no power.... Old bag Martha loves him
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
No details ever emerged on JC’s extension, neither the length or the amount. It was reported as multi-year. It was apparently done in secret; Wood announced it after the MNF game Week 3 (after Gruden went on at length during my the broadcast.) They didn’t even tell us when it had been signed - weeks or months before it was announced?
Who does that? That’s how you support your coach? They knew the optics would look bad. But what a weird message to the team. He’s our guy, but we don’t think anyone else agrees so we’ll keep this to ourselves.
My recollection is Quinn has never spoken about the extension. He has been supportive of Caldwell but that was the offseason. Wood, remember, looks after the Ford family properties & “isn’t a football guy” (his words.)
Four straight games the team has come out flat and dug at least an 0-10 hole. They’re wasting Stafford’s prime.
Jeff Fischer signed an extension before the 2016 season & still lost his job. Don’t remind me how cheap the Fords are, I need hope to get through these last four weeks.
Who does that? That’s how you support your coach? They knew the optics would look bad. But what a weird message to the team. He’s our guy, but we don’t think anyone else agrees so we’ll keep this to ourselves.
My recollection is Quinn has never spoken about the extension. He has been supportive of Caldwell but that was the offseason. Wood, remember, looks after the Ford family properties & “isn’t a football guy” (his words.)
Four straight games the team has come out flat and dug at least an 0-10 hole. They’re wasting Stafford’s prime.
Jeff Fischer signed an extension before the 2016 season & still lost his job. Don’t remind me how cheap the Fords are, I need hope to get through these last four weeks.
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Great news. The guy is entertaining. Seems everyone is now on board that this loser simply won't come out and put points on the board until the other team has a big lead.Caldwell is coming back next year. Quinn has no power.... Old bag Martha loves him
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2017/12/04/detroit-lions-jim-caldwell-stubbornness/918174001/
Yet almost every week, Caldwell – and his offensive coordinator, Jim Bob Cooter –virtually straight-jacket Stafford to start every game then wait until they’re desperate to let him loose. It happened again Sunday in the third quarter, when the offensive brain trust dialed up a pass-heavy series in two of the first three series.
Both led to touchdowns.
The odd series of those first three: Run. Short pass. Run. Punt.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
wonder if Josh McDaniels is a Quinn guy and who he would look to replace ....me thinks he would be a disaster here another failed coach in lions lore
....me thinks he would be a disaster here another failed coach in lions lore
The Captain
Footballguy
At this point I’d take that chance. Have to believe he learned a lot from his failures in Denver. Belichick got a second chance and we see how that turned out.wonder if Josh McDaniels is a Quinn guy and who he would look to replace
I’d love to find the next Sean McVay, but have no idea who that is....and I’m certain the lions don’t know that either.
With the Panthers and Falcons owning the tie-breaker on the Lions, they are essentially 3 games behind the Panthers and and 2 games behind the Seahawks (maybe 3) and Falcons. Having to jump two of those teams with only 4 games remaining puts Detroit's playoff chances south of 20 to 1.
Caldwell has easily been one of the best head coaches Detroit has had during the SB era. IMO, getting a new HC would be a step back. You get this team a DT who can stop the run, a DE that can pressure the QB, and a couple quality OL and this team is a SB contender with Caldwell. No team is going to be a serious contender when they are getting killed in the trenches every week like the Lions have been.
The secondary is very good
The WR/TE core is very good. Let Ebron go and roll with Roberts and Fells next season.
I would like to see more of Tion. I really think we have something there. Explosiveness and power. He is exactly the kind of back this offense needs. Showed more on his first run than any other back on the roster.
Linebackers are OK. This unit could use help, but not nearly as high on the priority list as the OL and DL.
I guess I seem to be alone in supporting Caldwell, but I think he has over produced given the talent he has.
Caldwell has easily been one of the best head coaches Detroit has had during the SB era. IMO, getting a new HC would be a step back. You get this team a DT who can stop the run, a DE that can pressure the QB, and a couple quality OL and this team is a SB contender with Caldwell. No team is going to be a serious contender when they are getting killed in the trenches every week like the Lions have been.
The secondary is very good
The WR/TE core is very good. Let Ebron go and roll with Roberts and Fells next season.
I would like to see more of Tion. I really think we have something there. Explosiveness and power. He is exactly the kind of back this offense needs. Showed more on his first run than any other back on the roster.
Linebackers are OK. This unit could use help, but not nearly as high on the priority list as the OL and DL.
I guess I seem to be alone in supporting Caldwell, but I think he has over produced given the talent he has.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Lack of preparation to start a game. It’s not just the last four weeks, it’s happened way too often the last four years. The level of accountability is unacceptable.
I actually have a lot of respect for Coach Caldwell as a man. He’s a bit of a ##### in press conferences but I like the way he carries himself. Quiet, dignified, never boasts or calls attention to himself, doesn’t call people out or point fingers. Good family man, above reproach in his integrity and moral fiber. I know he’s a believer & I genuinely like him as a person. I could see voting for him as a deacon or an elder.
I also think he does a lot of things very well. Great at administration and building a staff. Not great in game; he has improved in clock management. But getting caught consecutive week with 10 or 9 men on defense when you have timeouts in your pocket is inexcusable. We can’t tolerate those kind of mistakes.
He’s not the OC but the first half play calling - especially early downs - is predictable & too conservative. Inevitably they open it up after they fall behind & then score TDs. We’re not building rockets here.
On defense, while there is a talent deficiency, the LBs constantly being out of position is coaching and communication. Pulling hard for Austin to land a HC job. We are at a schematic disadvantage week after week. Mediocre players lighting us up is ridiculous.
Time to turn the page. He did a good job with what he had. There’s no upside beyond 9-11 wins & a first round exit, let’s move now before Matthew starts to decline.
I actually have a lot of respect for Coach Caldwell as a man. He’s a bit of a ##### in press conferences but I like the way he carries himself. Quiet, dignified, never boasts or calls attention to himself, doesn’t call people out or point fingers. Good family man, above reproach in his integrity and moral fiber. I know he’s a believer & I genuinely like him as a person. I could see voting for him as a deacon or an elder.
I also think he does a lot of things very well. Great at administration and building a staff. Not great in game; he has improved in clock management. But getting caught consecutive week with 10 or 9 men on defense when you have timeouts in your pocket is inexcusable. We can’t tolerate those kind of mistakes.
He’s not the OC but the first half play calling - especially early downs - is predictable & too conservative. Inevitably they open it up after they fall behind & then score TDs. We’re not building rockets here.
On defense, while there is a talent deficiency, the LBs constantly being out of position is coaching and communication. Pulling hard for Austin to land a HC job. We are at a schematic disadvantage week after week. Mediocre players lighting us up is ridiculous.
Time to turn the page. He did a good job with what he had. There’s no upside beyond 9-11 wins & a first round exit, let’s move now before Matthew starts to decline.
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
Detroit Lions RB Tion Green's big debut capped mom's surprise visit
What else can you guys tell me about this guy?
What else can you guys tell me about this guy?
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
He's running the show and he's gone on record saying that's his style. He's a herminator hoping to win in the 4th Q. It works against inferior teams but never beats superior teams thus they never beat teams with winning records. He's got no guts.
http://onwardstate.com/2014/10/16/lions-coach-jim-caldwell-praises-joepas-coaching-style/
“When I worked for Joe Paterno at Penn State, his thing was always, play defense, have a good, sound kicking game and just don’t have your offense make mistakes, then you’re going to win the great majority of them,”
Yeah, go ahead and kick those FGs as the other team scores TDs. You are never going to beat good teams.
TartanLion
Footballguy
I know I like Quinn. The issue is most definitely not here.
I've been dubious on Cooter and whoever the hell is the offensive line coach for a good while now. There are good players on that line and the standard hasn't been acceptable enough. Offence as said, waayyy to conservative early in games. I think the positive results off the back of Lombardi beImg sacked was more to do with a maturation of Stafford .
despite liking Caldwell I look around at some other teams like Eagles, Falcons last year, Rams this year etc and see teams that we have been better than, yet they have made coaching changes that have caused those teams to vastly improve and overtake us and it makes me a little jealous. I'm dubious as to whether Caldwell could ever make this kind of improvement and run
I've been dubious on Cooter and whoever the hell is the offensive line coach for a good while now. There are good players on that line and the standard hasn't been acceptable enough. Offence as said, waayyy to conservative early in games. I think the positive results off the back of Lombardi beImg sacked was more to do with a maturation of Stafford .
despite liking Caldwell I look around at some other teams like Eagles, Falcons last year, Rams this year etc and see teams that we have been better than, yet they have made coaching changes that have caused those teams to vastly improve and overtake us and it makes me a little jealous. I'm dubious as to whether Caldwell could ever make this kind of improvement and run
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Patience of Bell & finishes like Beast Mode
Beat out Asiata in TC. Was probably going to get cut when he had a blowout 150 YFS performance in the 4th PS game. They didn’t want to risk him getting poached off the practice squad, so they put him on the 53 man. He’s been sitting there inactive for 12 straight weeks until AA had his neck injury.
If he’s as good as we hope he is, another nail in the JC coffin. No idea why they never gave him a shot while they ran former WR Dwayne Washington (ProTip: just because you meet the weight requirement doesn’t make you a power back) five times inside the 5 and never scored.
Probably nothing to see - per his lack of college production & so-so profile grade - but he sure does run with a burst. His energy & early-Chris Ivory like leg churning is fun to watch. Interesting, since pre-draft he was labeled as not being explosive.
One cut & commit runner, busts through atm tackles. Supposedly has good vision. Doesn’t really possess second level speed (33 yard first run notwithstanding) to be a HR threat, he tends to cover the ball and lower his pads rather than try to juke a LB or S. Strikes me as a non-fumbler who is so conscientious about ball security he may leave yards on the field. Thought to be primarily a between the tackles grinder. He is...
#SaviorPreciousRedeemer #CounselorComforterKeeper #FriendPrinceOfPeace
Sorry, ‘it’s the season for hyperbole. Nothing to see in redraft? Likely. But deep dynasty stash & maybe keep it in the back of your mind for next years redraft. Back to AA, Theo, & ZZ, because they give us the best chance to win. #throatpunch #wanttobewrong
ETA: Pass pro unknown, caught 13 & 29 passes his last two years at Cincinnati (roughly 150-740ish both years.)
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The Captain
Footballguy
Agree. I see those changes and want our version of that to play out. Caldwell and Cooter have taken this team as far as they can go. A change must occur. Quinn must put his stamp on the team and the only way to do that now is with his own hire.
If he doesn’t fire Caldwell I have to assume that Quinn has no power, that Martha, like her husband before her, wants a coach who will tell her good stories and blow smoke up her skirt, and that nothing has changed since 1963.
The Captain
Footballguy
If Abdullah is out this week I think he’s a solid start against a weak Tampa run D!
Its Tion Time!!!!
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
What is wrong with the Detroit Lions?
Golden Tate says he knows what’s wrong with this team, but won’t say. He’s one of the few people in Allen Park who knows first hand what separates Championship teams from talented .500 squads. Things he did discuss & eliminated as not the problem:
Golden Tate says he knows what’s wrong with this team, but won’t say. He’s one of the few people in Allen Park who knows first hand what separates Championship teams from talented .500 squads. Things he did discuss & eliminated as not the problem:
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
They’re at a weekly schematic disadvantage. They don’t have a good edge setter at DE and the (mostly) young LBs are constantly out of position. They continue to play a ton of soft Cover 3 even though the stength of the unit is their base nickel (CB Slay, Slot corner Diggs and FS Quinn are all outstanding.) If you’re also DST one of their best weapons was PR Agnew (leads the league) but he’s been out for several weeks. They had 5 defensive TDs & 2 PR TDs through the first 10, so that inflated their FF point total.
Regardless of matchup I would be concerned about effort & heart. There’s a good chance Matthew’s first pass will be on Sunday - he’s literally kept his throwing hand hidden/wrapped all week so no one knows how bad it is - we know it’s not broken. That’s going to affect their fragile mental state IMO.
OTOH, it’s the Bucs, so I get the temptation.
Raging weasel
Footballguy
I'd say so. Last game vs Chi they didn't get to double digit fantasy points even with scoring a TD. They average less than 2 sacks a game and can't stop the run or even pressure the QB.
Thanks @BobbyLayne @Raging weasel for the insights. I knew their defensive total were inflated by some TDs. They will have home adv vs Chi where as last game was @ Chi. I was thinking the line should favor the Lions if they get a substantial lead forcing Trubisky to throw.
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Tion Green will become the Lions first 100 yard rusher since Reggie Bush.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
How could the Lions lose today?
Bucs have a league low 17 sacks, third worst in 3rd Down stops, Evans hasn’t had a 100 yard game all year, Winston is horrible.
Have faith, they’ll find a way.
Bucs have a league low 17 sacks, third worst in 3rd Down stops, Evans hasn’t had a 100 yard game all year, Winston is horrible.
Have faith, they’ll find a way.
GoBirds
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
We’re not even sure he’ll dress. He gets confused about audibles / pass pro because Stafford audibles the blocking scheme so often. I was being snarky. It’s unlikeky he’ll see a target.
He started his career with a 33 yard run that has everyone excited. It was so well blocked nobody was close to him for 25 yards. Very good blocking on his TD run as well - he bounced off Tate on the way in.
I hope they use him, but no one knows. I don’t expect much from him but we should see what exactly we have.
GoBirds
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Sorry still on first cup
Just saw Rap’s tweet; none of the Lions beat writers are disputing it in retweet’s.
Zenner won’t get any touches. Riddick in third down. RT is out, RG & C are banged up.
But you know what - why not? Week 3 SSND made a flippant post about Geronimo Allison with Adams out. I didn’t know he was joking, picked him up & started him. 6-122. Cut him for Will Fuller 7 days after I picked him up, started him Week 4 & caught the whole 7TDs on 13 catches streak. Cut Fuller one game after Watson was hurt.
Do crazy stuff, makes the hobby more fun.
Futz
Footballguy
Jim Caldwell - C - Lions
NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Jim Caldwell's new contract only runs through 2018.
Caldwell reportedly signed a "multi-year" extension in the offseason, but it turns out it was really a one-year deal with team options after that. The contract did prevent Caldwell from being a lame-duck coach this season, but it does not give him much security. If the Lions miss the playoffs, he could be out of a job.
Source: NFL.com
NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Jim Caldwell's new contract only runs through 2018.
Caldwell reportedly signed a "multi-year" extension in the offseason, but it turns out it was really a one-year deal with team options after that. The contract did prevent Caldwell from being a lame-duck coach this season, but it does not give him much security. If the Lions miss the playoffs, he could be out of a job.
Source: NFL.com
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Jim Caldwell - C - Lions
NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Jim Caldwell's new contract only runs through 2018.
Caldwell reportedly signed a "multi-year" extension in the offseason, but it turns out it was really a one-year deal with team options after that. The contract did prevent Caldwell from being a lame-duck coach this season, but it does not give him much security. If the Lions miss the playoffs, he could be out of a job.
Source: NFL.com
I really like Coach Caldwell as a person. I would love for him to have more time to spend with his grandchildren. Think of the family, Martha.
valhallan
Footballguy
I have a league wth far too many starting spots and will be rolling out Tion. It would be fun to get some random points and act all smart about it.Sorry still on first cup
Just saw Rap’s tweet; none of the Lions beat writers are disputing it in retweet’s.
Zenner won’t get any touches. Riddick in third down. RT is out, RG & C are banged up.
But you know what - why not? Week 3 SSND made a flippant post about Geronimo Allison with Adams out. I didn’t know he was joking, picked him up & started him. 6-122. Cut him for Will Fuller 7 days after I picked him up, started him Week 4 & caught the whole 7TDs on 13 catches streak. Cut Fuller one game after Watson was hurt.
Do crazy stuff, makes the hobby more fun.
