BobbyLayne
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Not yet. But they probably will.They already exercised the option to bring Ebron back.
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2017/01/05/lions-twitter-mailbag/96213314/
Not yet. But they probably will.They already exercised the option to bring Ebron back.
Just curious, where do you think this team will be? You described their only offensive star a choke artist. They have ZERO pro-bowlers. The strength of this team is their kicking game. Do you think this is a Super Bowl team? Maybe if Bill Belichick was coaching the Lions, they might have a slight chance. But what more could this team have done record-wise with another coach? Do you really think this team was better than Green Bay or Dallas or NY Giants or Seattle?No denying that I'm huge Jets fan, I bleed green... They stink, no bias defense from me. Our coach had a bad year, jury is still out.
But since this is the Lions thread, lets talk about them, ok Bobby?
I stay out of the Jets threads for that reason. ;-)
A lot of people seemed excited when Caldwell was told he would stay, (twitter) I do not understand that. I know not all, and if you dont like him this question isnt for you, but how can he have support from those who do? I know he made the playoffs, but think of where you would be with a good leader? I do not like Caldwell, goes back to when he was with the Colts. He just doesnt even seem like he is a coach, just a guy on the sidelines walking with no emotion. strange.
Caldwell is the coach that needs Peyton Manning in his prime and a last place schedule to make the playoffs and maybe win a game. Next season expect him to guide the Lions to 6-10 at best with that schedule.You guys need a new HC desperately. I have no sympathy for any Lions fan who supports Caldwell in any way.
Lions fans who do not support Caldwell, my condolences. You fans deserve better for what you put up with.
But if you are willing to put up with Caldwell in any way, you deserve the misery you are in now. You have to want greatness in order to achieve it, Caldwell is the furthest from greatness.
What do you need to see to know he isnt a good coach? Does he need to lose the last 5 games with everything on the line instead of 4?
Does he have to go 0-7 against teams in the playoffs instead of 0-6? Does he need to trail in the 4th quarter of all 17 games and not just 16?
With a better HC, they would have won the division and probably one playoff game. And that is like winning the Superbowl for Lions fans. You are right that this roster is mostly devoid of talent. But they also had one of the softest schedules in the league this season. Caldwell would probably be gone or on the hot seat right now if it wasn't for the schedule.Just curious, where do you think this team will be? You described their only offensive star a choke artist. They have ZERO pro-bowlers. The strength of this team is their kicking game. Do you think this is a Super Bowl team? Maybe if Bill Belichick was coaching the Lions, they might have a slight chance. But what more could this team have done record-wise with another coach? Do you really think this team was better than Green Bay or Dallas or NY Giants or Seattle?
Maybe. But they had a record 8 fourth quarter comebacks with a coupled of them being miraculous. Not every coach pulls that out. Maybe Caldwell just allowed that to happen, but there is more a 'better' head coach could have screwed up this season than they could have helped. I am not sure it is fair to assume a better HC gets all those 8 wins. I also don't see one team in the NFC playoffs they beat with a better coach. Besides this is the Lions, landing a top head coach is likily out of the cards.With a better HC, they would have won the division and probably one playoff game. And that is like winning the Superbowl for Lions fans. You are right that this roster is mostly devoid of talent. But they also had one of the softest schedules in the league this season. Caldwell would probably be gone or on the hot seat right now if it wasn't for the schedule.
Need help on D-line, LB, healthy RBs, a piece or two on OL and WR, and the ability to beat better-than-okay teams.
Not enough likes for this post.Maybe. But they had a record 8 fourth quarter comebacks with a coupled of them being miraculous. Not every coach pulls that out. Maybe Caldwell just allowed that to happen, but there is more a 'better' head coach could have screwed up this season than they could have helped. I am not sure it is fair to assume a better HC gets all those 8 wins. I also don't see one team in the NFC playoffs they beat with a better coach. Besides this is the Lions, landing a top head coach is likily out of the cards.
You have to realize this is spill over from the game thread where Wheels drops in out of nowhere and calls Caldwell the worst in the NFL, says Stafford is a choke artist and declares Detroit fans as terrible deserving to lose. The guy is a know-nothing troll who would get all offended and start attacking everyone. No one thinks Caldwell is a brilliant foodball mind, but still got more out of this team than most would have. Caldwell deserves criticism for last season, this season not so much.
What way? By 20 on the road to a team that played better on that night?Sucks to lose that way.
I get it. I've been there. I watched my team implode and lose to a team more than once when I thought Seattle was a better team, but at some point don't you just have to leave that behind and move on? If Seattle goes to Atlanta next week and gets beat will you be able to move on? I guess that's why fan is short for "fanatic". Not trying to throw around judgment here. We're not robots (I mean me too). Its that emotional attachment that makes the highs feel so great, but at the same time those lows keep us in the dumps for irrationally long period of time. There's some part of me that enjoys seeing the Raiders and Steelers lose because of Seahawk loses in 1983 and 2005.Been there many times...
no thanks, personally I don't think he has much left & even if he does I don't see that being any more than a 1-2 year stop gap.The Vikings are not going to pick up AP's non guaranteed contract for 18m next year. Talk going around that AP will be a Lion for about 6m a year. What do lion fans think about that.
I would rather we continue to build both lines and get an edge rusher. LB and another cover guy are priorities. I'm not really interested in playmakers or sexy skill postition picks/FAs if we cannot control the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball.
talk going around by who?The Vikings are not going to pick up AP's non guaranteed contract for 18m next year. Talk going around that AP will be a Lion for about 6m a year. What do lion fans think about that.
The primary difference between last season and this season was the strength of schedule. If you look at his entire body of work as the Lions HC, he averages 1 win per season against teams over .500. It's not good. And is it really that impressive if they had a record 8 fourth quarter comebacks that were almost all against teams with losing records?Maybe. But they had a record 8 fourth quarter comebacks with a coupled of them being miraculous. Not every coach pulls that out. Maybe Caldwell just allowed that to happen, but there is more a 'better' head coach could have screwed up this season than they could have helped. I am not sure it is fair to assume a better HC gets all those 8 wins. I also don't see one team in the NFC playoffs they beat with a better coach. Besides this is the Lions, landing a top head coach is likily out of the cards.
You have to realize this is spill over from the game thread where Wheels drops in out of nowhere and calls Caldwell the worst in the NFL, says Stafford is a choke artist and declares Detroit fans as terrible deserving to lose. The guy is a know-nothing troll who would get all offended and start attacking everyone. No one thinks Caldwell is a brilliant foodball mind, but still got more out of this team than most would have. Caldwell deserves criticism for last season, this season not so much.
I came here to post this exact same thing. Word for word.kegger said:There is a lot about this team that says same old Lions, (with improvement)
But honestly find someway to fix the drops and get on the good side of calls/no calls and they did have a chance in any game.
(no idea how you get the calls to go your way, so they'll have to fix the drops and improve somewhere else then to win/playoffs)
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Even last night, catch the ball and get the calls could have won that game, Seattle caught the ball with 1 hand an 1 butcheak for crying out loud...
(yah even with the rushing between Detroit an Seattle, had the above gone Detroit's way that playoff game was certainly winnable for them there)
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Caldwell deserves 1 more year, (give him the chance to try an finish what has been started, there is a fair amount to like) If not improve more then out the door!
Thing to remember is if Caldwell is gone than more then likely so are the coordinators as most the time that is what happens, Myself I hope the coordinators stay.
(not saying I'm completely sold as these are the best coordinators we can get, but In my view believe they are on the track to be some of the best going forward)
So yah I give the Entire coaching staff 1 more year then evaluate from there... (go put a few more pieces in this puzzle and see if you can improve on things here)
Can't catch or play out of shot gun. No thanksGopher State said:The Vikings are not going to pick up AP's non guaranteed contract for 18m next year. Talk going around that AP will be a Lion for about 6m a year. What do lion fans think about that.
That's not bad. Most teams have very poor records against 10+ win teams. It's the most overrated stat in football once you look at most teams records vs elite teams.Lions record over past 3 years by opponent's record:
0-5 wins: 8-2
6-9 wins: 17-5
10-16 wins: 2-14
I can only guess you're talking about Bobby Ross, since the only time the Lions went 9-7 or better in consecutive years is '93-'95.Can I just say I'm old enough to remember when the Lions got sick of going 9-7 and losing in the wildcard round every year, and decided to hand the keys over to He Who Shall Not Be Named?
True - if not those teams wouldn't be 10+ win teams.That's not bad. Most teams have very poor records against 10+ win teams. It's the most overrated stat in football once you look at most teams records vs elite teams.
17-5 vs 6-9 win teams is very impressive.
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You really think Bobby Ross is the object of lifelong hatred by Lions fans? You can't think of anyone else who's been involved with the team over the past two decades who might be more hated (hint: not a coach)?I can only guess you're talking about Bobby Ross, since the only time the Lions went 9-7 or better in consecutive years is '93-'95.
But:
a) I don't think getting rid of Wayne Fontes was a big mistake. He wasn't exactly Vince Lombardi.
b) Fontes went 5-11 the year he was fired
Actually I think Caldwell and Fontes have a lot in common. Players' coaches, mediocre tacticians. And frankly, I think Caldwell has a 5-11 season in him next year.
And for the whole regular season they scored 56 points in the 3rd quarter- probably why they were trailing in so many games to start the 4th.oh and I went back and looked at the 2H of their last 4 games
they score 16 points in the 2nd half
3 against the Giants
0 against a Dallas team that didn't even care
10 against GB (with the TD coming in garbage time after the game was well out of hand)
3 against Seattle
that's pathetic and to me looks like a coaching staff that has zero clue how to make any adjustments
what a garbage franchise.
Does flappergreen have multiple accounts Dam Lambskin? That last statement just seems classic flapper over reaction Chicken Little responseoh and I went back and looked at the 2H of their last 4 games
they score 16 points in the 2nd half
3 against the Giants
0 against a Dallas team that didn't even care
10 against GB (with the TD coming in garbage time after the game was well out of hand)
3 against Seattle
that's pathetic and to me looks like a coaching staff that has zero clue how to make any adjustments
what a garbage franchise.
The bloom is definitely off the Cooter rose but I wouldn't cut him loose just yet. I do think Riddick being out really hurt them...guy has a special skillsetDoes flappergreen have multiple accounts Dam Lambskin? That last statement just seems classic flapper over reaction Chicken Little response
I think this is a very interesting statistic and something to be said about either the defense or the offensive play calling. Coming out way too conservative after halftime. As much as the announcers were fawning over Cooter's offensive game plan when DET played GB week 17, if I'm a Lion fan I'm wanting him gone
I think you have to look at this as Caldwell's do or die moment. He set a bar of 9-7 with a 1st round playoff loss. If he doesn't exceed, or even equal that maybe, next year then he has to be gone. He has to be able to take this team over the hump.The bloom is definitely off the Cooter rose but I wouldn't cut him loose just yet. I do think Riddick being out really hurt them...guy has a special skillset
Overall though I think it's hard to be positive about 2017
postseason totals: http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/rushingAs far as the RB issue goes, I heard a radio guy say they have not been in the top half of the league in rushing in this century. Hard to be a consistent winner without that. So instead of those who like to whine about the coach or the QB, they might want to work on that.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/rushing
Caldwell doesn't look like he has a game plan so I would be shocked if Cooter didn't have nearly 100% control on play calling. Come to think of it I am not sure I have seen Caldwell talk to anyone during a game. He looks like a mall security guard on the sideline......spending his time equally between daydreaming and random observation.I like Cooter, but how much of his leash is Caldwells conservative gameplan? Is he calling runs on 3rd and 7 because the HCs gameplan dictates a kill the clock moment or is he doing it on his own accord? When Cooter lets loose he can make this offense do things, look at last year with nothing to lose and then this year with everything to win, it just seemed the Lions played and game planned not to lose more than they played to win. Punting on 4th down in the 4th with just a few minutes left against the Seahawks? Running on 3rd and long a few weeks ago trailing in the 4th? Is that Cooter or Caldwell? I know the OC is calling plays, but does he not follow Caldwells gameplan?
I could see casting him as Kevin James co-worker in the next Mall Cop movie.Caldwell doesn't look like he has a game plan so I would be shocked if Cooter didn't have nearly 100% control on play calling. Come to think of it I am not sure I have seen Caldwell talk to anyone during a game. He looks like a mall security guard on the sideline......spending his time equally between daydreaming and random observation.