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just a statementAre you trying to say you'd rather have Mariota than Stafford?
I don't follow this argument at all.
just a statementAre you trying to say you'd rather have Mariota than Stafford?
I don't follow this argument at all.
The team has 1 in the last 63 years. Barry Sanders has 1.Hard to believe this will be Stafford's 12th NFL season. Stafford has 1 playoff win correct?
noHard to believe this will be Stafford's 12th NFL season. Stafford has 1 playoff win correct?
Zero wins even with Megatron.Summer Wheat said:Hard to believe this will be Stafford's 12th NFL season. Stafford has 1 playoff win correct?
That’s a down right pathetic effort by an organization. To have a good qb for that long and not surround him with any sort of competent team in over a decade, wow.Zero wins even with Megatron.
I think Stafford is a fine QB, but if you can't get a playoff win at least once in your prime with one of the greatest WR of all time, then it's not happening now either. Even Jay Cutler managed to win 1 playoff game. And that's my comp for Stafford. He's a slightly better version of Jay Cutler. You could do a lot worse than either of these guys at QB, but they both ended up in the same division where they were not the best QB and did not play for the best team. And that usually means no playoffs or a wild card game at best against a better team.
Everytime people try to argue against Stafford, they always seem to better yet make the argument against the franchise.Zero wins even with Megatron.
I think Stafford is a fine QB, but if you can't get a playoff win at least once in your prime with one of the greatest WR of all time, then it's not happening now either. Even Jay Cutler managed to win 1 playoff game. And that's my comp for Stafford. He's a slightly better version of Jay Cutler. You could do a lot worse than either of these guys at QB, but they both ended up in the same division where they were not the best QB and did not play for the best team. And that usually means no playoffs or a wild card game at best against a better team.
Bingo.Everytime people try to argue against Stafford, they always seem to better yet make the argument against the franchise.
It isn't that Barry or Calvin or Stafford are slighted because they didn't win.Bingo.
Imagine for a moment: in the 2000 draft 6th round, instead of picking Quinton Reece (DE - Auburn), the Lions instead draft local college QB Tom Brady. Does anyone truly believe that Tom Brady would have developed into the GOAT if that would've happened?You can even include BB himself along with all those assistants.
No rings until the #199 pick replaced the #1 pick.
I said the same thing about Emmitt smith. If the Lions had Smith and the Cowboys had Sanders, Sanders would have been the NFL career rushing leader and people would be saying Emmitt who??Imagine for a moment: in the 2000 draft 6th round, instead of picking Quinton Reece (DE - Auburn), the Lions instead draft local college QB Tom Brady. Does anyone truly believe that Tom Brady would have developed into the GOAT if that would've happened?
Look how many QBs the Lions have drafted since 1980, many of them Heisman Trophy winners or finalists. Yet, they all sucked. Not only would Tom Brady not have become the GOAT, I wonder if he'd ever have become a competent starter. He wouldn't have had BB to develop successful game plans nor a good coaching staff to recognize and maximize his talents.
This isn't a knock on Brady, it is just a statement about how truly terrible this organization is and has been for the past 60 years.
Also, would he have gotten the chance to even play? The Patriots didn't know what they had until their QB got hurt. There's a not too unrealistic possibility that if Bledsoe doesn't get hurt, he starts for the Pats for another 4-5 years and Brady winds up labeled as a career back-up journey man or maybe even washes out of the league.Imagine for a moment: in the 2000 draft 6th round, instead of picking Quinton Reece (DE - Auburn), the Lions instead draft local college QB Tom Brady. Does anyone truly believe that Tom Brady would have developed into the GOAT if that would've happened?
Look how many QBs the Lions have drafted since 1980, many of them Heisman Trophy winners or finalists. Yet, they all sucked. Not only would Tom Brady not have become the GOAT, I wonder if he'd ever have become a competent starter. He wouldn't have had BB to develop successful game plans nor a good coaching staff to recognize and maximize his talents.
This isn't a knock on Brady, it is just a statement about how truly terrible this organization is and has been for the past 60 years.
Obviously the back is a wildcard. We don't know what the doctors are saying. If we assume they give him a clean bill of health, he most likely has 4-6 years left. It seems like around age 36-38 is when we are seeing most of these franchise QBs decline. In the NFL that is an eternity given quickly teams can swing from bad to good (and vice versa).The question isn't about how good Stafford is right now, this team isn't winning right now. How long is Stafford going to play is the question. He's battling through back surgery, his wife is a cancer survivor. At what point is he going to hang them up. How many more top 3 picks are they going to get? Agree the smart choice is to trade out if they can, but taking a QB shouldn't be overlooked if the offers they get are not good enough.
If Stafford is healthy than I would rather trade Slay. I don’t think we will truly appreciate Stafford until he is gone. I wonder how long it will take to find another decent QB for this organization...Who would rather trade?
Slay or Stafford?
Or both?
I think they are too many players away to win this year or next so I would trade them both.Who would rather trade?
Slay or Stafford?
Or both?
If they draft Tua start the clock at 5 years.If Stafford is healthy than I would rather trade Slay. I don’t think we will truly appreciate Stafford until he is gone. I wonder how long it will take to find another decent QB for this organization...
If they draft Tua that means they’re Alex Smith-ing StaffordIf they draft Tua start the clock at 5 years.
Yep, and then 4 years of a bust QB.If they draft Tua that means they’re Alex Smith-ing Stafford
whats the difference? been on a 60 plus year clockIf they draft Tua start the clock at 5 years.
The question was when would the franchise find another good QB. Just answering.whats the difference? been on a 60 plus year clock
Honestly the best difference would be possibly allowing me to break free from this team.whats the difference? been on a 60 plus year clock
For what cost though? No reason to just give him away for crumbs.Slay should be traded.
And Slay is 29 on the last year of his deal. He's been fantastic for Detroit but CBs can fall off pretty quickly after 30.As far as what actually happens, Slay will be the one to go. Stafford has always said the right things and Slay has not. That's how decisions are made in Lionsland.
Crumbs no, but a reasonable offer should absolutely be taken. He's not good enough for the contract he's going to want imo. He has the most value this year.For what cost though? No reason to just give him away for crumbs.
Have to be careful in FA. The high priced guys are often land mines. Chris Jones is a beast and would be a great addition. Chris Harris is really only good in the slot and is aging out of his prime now so I am not too sure about him since we targeted a slot CB last FA as well. I don't know enough about Byron's quality as a corner but he's a better age for 3-4 year investment than Slay. With Harris, it has to be a reasonable cost since this was like his 5th or 6th year in the league and he just became a full time starter last year.Before the draft, there is this thing called Free Agency. Props to Faust for the link.
#7-10 all look interesting.
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-the-50-best-available-nfl-free-agents-in-2020
They won’t deal Stafford. The only question is if they are smart enough to get max value for the pick. Assuming Washington is locked in on Chase this is their one opportunity to cash in and potentially change the fortunes of the franchise...assuming Quinn doesn’t waste the picks on the next Davis, or Tabor because he’s the smartest guy in the room.Anything's possible but I'm very skeptical of Lions dealing Stafford. If they're being smart, they're using the possibility of drafting a QB as leverage for a trade down.
Doesn't hurt that Stafford is a better player at a more important position as well. Slay has declined each of the last 2 years, and while injuries are somewhat to blame, he hasn't played like a top notch CB since 2017.As far as what actually happens, Slay will be the one to go. Stafford has always said the right things and Slay has not. That's how decisions are made in Lionsland.
Had to laugh at that one. As a life-long (suffering) Lions fan, seeing the Lions being smart is pretty much akin to spotting Big Foot.Anything's possible but I'm very skeptical of Lions dealing Stafford. If they're being smart, they're using the possibility of drafting a QB as leverage for a trade down.
I think he's a good prospect, I just think that #3 is too high to draft a CB.Doesn't hurt that Stafford is a better player at a more important position as well. Slay has declined each of the last 2 years, and while injuries are somewhat to blame, he hasn't played like a top notch CB since 2017.
I will say, if they do end up keeping the pick, Jeffery Okudah is an amazing CB prospect. I'd say only Jalen Ramsey has more talent in recent history. Okudah is like a more athletic Marshon Lattimore.
Hoping they can trade down and still get either the CB, LB, or IDL.Foosball God said:I think he's a good prospect, I just think that #3 is too high to draft a CB.
This is the history of the Lions under Ford ownershipImagine [insert player name] with a [average] coach and defense. He’d have been thought of much differently I would think.
I don't quiet remember a season with so many QB question marks, and team needing QBs......Hoping they can trade down and still get either the CB, LB, or IDL.
Teams tend to get qb crazy as the draft approaches.
No way they trade Stafford. The GM and HC are in a must win now position. They don’t have time to draft a rookie QB and developing him.Anything's possible but I'm very skeptical of Lions dealing Stafford. If they're being smart, they're using the possibility of drafting a QB as leverage for a trade down.
A lot of the pods and articles I read seem to think QB, OT, DE and CB are the 4 most important positions in the NFL. While I think CB is clearly 4th on that list, getting a Patrick Peterson type is incredibly valuable. After Chase, there’s no DE worth a top 10 pick. Lions don’t need CB and OT isn’t the most pressing need.I think he's a good prospect, I just think that #3 is too high to draft a CB.
I'm kind of surprised they cut him. When healthy, you can count the amount of better interior lineman on one hand. Probably was their best defensive player after Flowers.Lions on a diet...cut Snacks.
Problem is they have been rebuilding since day one of the franchise. For a GM and Coach who “should” be on the hot seat this is a strange move. They just extended him (got rid of Diggs shortly after an extension as well) and now he is gone. They sure don’t seem like they have a direction or plan and just come off as blatantly incompetent. At this point I am no longer surprised and just expect the worst. This team has so many freaking holes...and once Slay is gone there will be another giant one to fill. Amazing how one of the least competitive teams in the league all of a sudden looks a lot worse. Every year my interest in the NFL gets lower....looking forward to the day that I no longer follow this joke of a team any longer.I'm kind of surprised they cut him. When healthy, you can count the amount of better interior lineman on one hand. Probably was their best defensive player after Flowers.
Several teams should be trying to lock him up in the next week or so.
Between this, the Slay trade rumors, and the possibility of taking Tua, I'm starting to wonder if the Lions might just blow it up this offseason.