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2024 Las Vegas Raiders thread - Luke, we hardly knew ye............................Saw enough though. (5 Viewers)

Minshew and O'Connell are "competing" in practice for the starting job.

Must be nice to have two QBs that are so talented you just can't decide between them.
This same post could’ve been sent in June. :(
Man, I have to do everything around here.

Actually, I'm sure I would have but I make it a point to leave the forums after the Super Bowl and take a break until late July/early August.
 
Minshew and O'Connell are "competing" in practice for the starting job.

Must be nice to have two QBs that are so talented you just can't decide between them.
This same post could’ve been sent in June. :(
Man, I have to do everything around here.

Actually, I'm sure I would have but I make it a point to leave the forums after the Super Bowl and take a break until late July/early August.
Love the forums in the off-season for dynasty talk. Anything besides talking about this crappy team.
 
Minshew and O'Connell are "competing" in practice for the starting job.

Must be nice to have two QBs that are so talented you just can't decide between them.
This same post could’ve been sent in June. :(
Man, I have to do everything around here.

Actually, I'm sure I would have but I make it a point to leave the forums after the Super Bowl and take a break until late July/early August.
Love the forums in the off-season for dynasty talk. Anything besides talking about this crappy team.
You can talk about how there isn't anyone on the team that you want in dynasty. Right?
 
Minshew and O'Connell are "competing" in practice for the starting job.

Must be nice to have two QBs that are so talented you just can't decide between them.
This same post could’ve been sent in June. :(
Man, I have to do everything around here.

Actually, I'm sure I would have but I make it a point to leave the forums after the Super Bowl and take a break until late July/early August.
Love the forums in the off-season for dynasty talk. Anything besides talking about this crappy team.
You can talk about how there isn't anyone on the team that you want in dynasty. Right?
Absolutely.
I’ve only rostered Adams in 1 of 4 dynasty leagues but this off-season I got suckered into a few shares of Zamir White.
That’s what I get for going against my fantasy rule #1: fade Raiders.
 
Sorry, for talking about my dynasty teams in the raiders thread. Let’s get back to talking about the Commitment to Excellence.

;)
 
AOC the starter next weekend.

AP also commented that Adams has been rehabbing at the Raiders facility, and would play him if healthy.
 
Pulling this from Twitter, regarding Big Mike

“His family reached out to the team and informed them it’s a situation that has occurred in his life before and has popped up again”It has nothing to do with him wanting a trade or being frustrated with playing timeNow that the team knows what it is they feel like they can get to a resolution.This Per
@YourboyQ254
from Locked on Raiders
I'd like to hope this is true (and obviously hope it's nothing overly serious) but I find the source highly dubious. The silence is definitely worrisome. Been 15 some days now without a definitive word.
 
Pulling this from Twitter, regarding Big Mike

“His family reached out to the team and informed them it’s a situation that has occurred in his life before and has popped up again”It has nothing to do with him wanting a trade or being frustrated with playing timeNow that the team knows what it is they feel like they can get to a resolution.This Per
@YourboyQ254
from Locked on Raiders
Yeah, we aren't talking about Mayer enough in here. I honestly hope they don't trade him. He and Bowers may both be tight ends but that's in name only. They're skill sets are entirely different and a strong offensive minded coach could give opposing defenses fits by building an offense around those two.

Someone like Ben "Got Dang" Johnson!
With Adams out of the picture using 12 personnel suddenly becomes a lot more of a possibility IMO. With Adams, who was going to sit when they went 12, Tucker or Meyers? That's a problem they no longer have. Their only problem running 12 personnel now is Getsy.
 
Starting AOC at least gives me hope….hope to find out exactly what we’re doing at QB NEXT year. With Minshew we learn nothing. (That we don’t already know)
 
Harrowing thought No. 1,607 since Pierce took over: If they tank or swoon or, more likely, get coached into oblivion this season and manage a top 10 pick and get their "franchise" quarterback, how confident can you feel that kid reaches a fraction of his potential if Pierce and Getsy are still at the controls?
 
Harrowing thought No. 1,607 since Pierce took over: If they tank or swoon or, more likely, get coached into oblivion this season and manage a top 10 pick and get their "franchise" quarterback, how confident can you feel that kid reaches a fraction of his potential if Pierce and Getsy are still at the controls?
Okay...now I'm depressed.
 
Wilkins on IR.


We are cursed.
No you're not. You're regressing to the mean. The Raiders were remarkably healthy last year, especially defensively, especially the last half of the year when they played lights out. That was bound to catch up to them sooner or later...in this case sooner.
 
AOC the starter next weekend.
Regarding O'Connell, I'm a fan and I think this is a step in the right direction. He just, IMO, looks the part of an NFL quarterback. While he doesn't have "it," he does have "something." Which is more than Minshew who I feel has "little" or "nothing."
Now, hopefully, they've got 12 games to figure out what that "something" is.
Knowing the Raiders, it's probably chlamydia.
 
AOC the starter next weekend.
Regarding O'Connell, I'm a fan and I think this is a step in the right direction. He just, IMO, looks the part of an NFL quarterback. While he doesn't have "it," he does have "something." Which is more than Minshew who I feel has "little" or "nothing."
Now, hopefully, they've got 12 games to figure out what that "something" is.
Knowing the Raiders, it's probably chlamydia.
:banned laugh emoji:
 
His drafts, on the surface are actually pretty okay, if not good. The Chargers had plenty of talent.

As for TT, his picks seem good on paper

This is all untrue for his Chargers drafts. I posted objective data proving his Chargers drafts were poor earlier in this thread. You guys may not want to believe it, but his draft performance with the Chargers was poor at best.

I also posted earlier in the thread that he might learn from his Chargers experience and improve, and also that the Chargers draft performance under Telesco may have also had to do with the ownership family being too involved. I certainly didn't deeply follow the Raiders draft this season, but I know enough to know I really like the Bowers and JPJ picks... so perhaps he did improve. So his Chargers draft performance is likely not meaningful to you.
 
His drafts, on the surface are actually pretty okay, if not good. The Chargers had plenty of talent.

As for TT, his picks seem good on paper

This is all untrue for his Chargers drafts. I posted objective data proving his Chargers drafts were poor earlier in this thread. You guys may not want to believe it, but his draft performance with the Chargers was poor at best.

I also posted earlier in the thread that he might learn from his Chargers experience and improve, and also that the Chargers draft performance under Telesco may have also had to do with the ownership family being too involved. I certainly didn't deeply follow the Raiders draft this season, but I know enough to know I really like the Bowers and JPJ picks... so perhaps he did improve. So his Chargers draft performance is likely not meaningful to you.
Although I did not specifically state it in the post you quoted I was referring to his first & second round picks exclusively. He made some very good picks, some bad ones too for sure, but he brought in some very good players in the first two rounds. I can't imagine his hit/miss rate was below the league average.

As for his drafts in their totality, I have no problem believing he was below average but I wonder how many objective analyses of GMs over similar lengths of time would look.

I don't know what his first Raiders draft class is going to look like in three years but his first, first round pick for the Raiders looks to be a home run.
 
His drafts, on the surface are actually pretty okay, if not good. The Chargers had plenty of talent.

As for TT, his picks seem good on paper

This is all untrue for his Chargers drafts. I posted objective data proving his Chargers drafts were poor earlier in this thread. You guys may not want to believe it, but his draft performance with the Chargers was poor at best.

I also posted earlier in the thread that he might learn from his Chargers experience and improve, and also that the Chargers draft performance under Telesco may have also had to do with the ownership family being too involved. I certainly didn't deeply follow the Raiders draft this season, but I know enough to know I really like the Bowers and JPJ picks... so perhaps he did improve. So his Chargers draft performance is likely not meaningful to you.
You have to remember what the Raider drafts have looked like for 20 years. They were the worst.
 
His drafts, on the surface are actually pretty okay, if not good. The Chargers had plenty of talent.

As for TT, his picks seem good on paper

This is all untrue for his Chargers drafts. I posted objective data proving his Chargers drafts were poor earlier in this thread. You guys may not want to believe it, but his draft performance with the Chargers was poor at best.

I also posted earlier in the thread that he might learn from his Chargers experience and improve, and also that the Chargers draft performance under Telesco may have also had to do with the ownership family being too involved. I certainly didn't deeply follow the Raiders draft this season, but I know enough to know I really like the Bowers and JPJ picks... so perhaps he did improve. So his Chargers draft performance is likely not meaningful to you.
You have to remember what the Raider drafts have looked like for 20 years. They were the worst.
We'll always have 2014... sigh
 
His drafts, on the surface are actually pretty okay, if not good. The Chargers had plenty of talent.

As for TT, his picks seem good on paper

This is all untrue for his Chargers drafts. I posted objective data proving his Chargers drafts were poor earlier in this thread. You guys may not want to believe it, but his draft performance with the Chargers was poor at best.

I also posted earlier in the thread that he might learn from his Chargers experience and improve, and also that the Chargers draft performance under Telesco may have also had to do with the ownership family being too involved. I certainly didn't deeply follow the Raiders draft this season, but I know enough to know I really like the Bowers and JPJ picks... so perhaps he did improve. So his Chargers draft performance is likely not meaningful to you.
Although I did not specifically state it in the post you quoted I was referring to his first & second round picks exclusively. He made some very good picks, some bad ones too for sure, but he brought in some very good players in the first two rounds. I can't imagine his hit/miss rate was below the league average.

As for his drafts in their totality, I have no problem believing he was below average but I wonder how many objective analyses of GMs over similar lengths of time would look.

I don't know what his first Raiders draft class is going to look like in three years but his first, first round pick for the Raiders looks to be a home run.

I commented on his 12 first round picks for the Chargers earlier in the thread. I counted 4 good/great picks, 3 mediocre picks, and 5 bad picks. A lot of Chargers fans would tell you that he doesn't deserve a ton of credit for the good/great picks, since it would have been difficult to go wrong with the Bosa pick (Buckner and Ramsey would have also been great picks) and the others (Herbert, Slater, James) just fell to Telesco.

He made 9 second round picks, and I would say 3 were good/great, 3 were mediocre, and 3 were bad. He consistently reached with his 3rd round picks with bad results. In the 4th and later, he found a few good players but not many.

He never traded down in a single draft, so there were likely some missed opportunities for better drafts for that reason. He also never put strong focus on accumulating more picks, so he was unable to use quantity of picks to help the quality of his drafts.

There is definitely subjectivity in these opinions of mine, and I don't know how his drafting by round compares to other GMs.

However, I did link an article that commented on that through the 2022 draft here. In summary, he was a below average drafter compared to his peers. However, his drafts were a bit better than the Raiders drafts... so, a mixed bag. And, as I posted previously, he could be better now, in a different organization and with a lot of experience.
 
he could be better now, in a different organization and with a lot of experience

And free of the idiot Spanos kid. The 2024 later round picks got a ton of hype during camp/preseason, but so far at least none of them have lived up to that, with only Bowser and Powser looking like legit NFL players; tho in fairness, both of them look more than legit and like potential future All Pros.
 
12 first round picks for the Chargers,. I counted 4 good/great picks, 3 mediocre picks, and 5 bad picks.

He made 9 second round picks, and I would say 3 were good/great, 3 were mediocre, and 3 were bad.

If I had to guess with no data to prove it, my gut says this is likely a league average hit rate.
Do you have any stats to prove that it’s below average? (Not asking in a jerky way. Truly curious).
 
12 first round picks for the Chargers,. I counted 4 good/great picks, 3 mediocre picks, and 5 bad picks.

He made 9 second round picks, and I would say 3 were good/great, 3 were mediocre, and 3 were bad.

If I had to guess with no data to prove it, my gut says this is likely a league average hit rate.
Do you have any stats to prove that it’s below average? (Not asking in a jerky way. Truly curious).

I linked to an earlier post in the thread where I linked a PFF article that showed the Chargers drafts under Telesco through 2022 were below average.
 
Harrowing thought No. 1,607 since Pierce took over: If they tank or swoon or, more likely, get coached into oblivion this season and manage a top 10 pick and get their "franchise" quarterback, how confident can you feel that kid reaches a fraction of his potential if Pierce and Getsy are still at the controls?
I'll see your 1,607 and raise it - what if AOC goes 7-5 to end the season? We end up 8-9 and drafting in the teens and "might" have our QB - do we trust a HC on year 2.5 to be willing to wipe the slate and go all in on a rookie QB? Do we get suckered again into thinking "maybe we already have the guy"? Are we right back where we were last May hoping Penix drops to us again? And THEN how confident can you feel that kid reaches a fraction of his potential if Pierce and Getsy are still at the controls?
 
AOC the starter next weekend.
Regarding O'Connell, I'm a fan and I think this is a step in the right direction. He just, IMO, looks the part of an NFL quarterback. While he doesn't have "it," he does have "something." Which is more than Minshew who I feel has "little" or "nothing."
Now, hopefully, they've got 12 games to figure out what that "something" is.
Yea, I wanted AOC from the start. Minshew is who he is.... he will help you win some games but he will lose you some games too. He is best as a backup. AOC may not be the next Brady but he is an accurate thrower with a decent arm. For the amount of gameplay he has had, shows a decent understanding of the game.
 
His drafts, on the surface are actually pretty okay, if not good. The Chargers had plenty of talent.

As for TT, his picks seem good on paper

This is all untrue for his Chargers drafts. I posted objective data proving his Chargers drafts were poor earlier in this thread. You guys may not want to believe it, but his draft performance with the Chargers was poor at best.

I also posted earlier in the thread that he might learn from his Chargers experience and improve, and also that the Chargers draft performance under Telesco may have also had to do with the ownership family being too involved. I certainly didn't deeply follow the Raiders draft this season, but I know enough to know I really like the Bowers and JPJ picks... so perhaps he did improve. So his Chargers draft performance is likely not meaningful to you.
I posted an early review of this draft class a bit ago.... the early out of the gate is that is looks pretty solid.
 
I don't think we will see Adams suit up for the Raiders again. However, I'm fully onboard with the meme machine pumping out the Adams returning to the Raiders content.
 
he could be better now, in a different organization and with a lot of experience

And free of the idiot Spanos kid. The 2024 later round picks got a ton of hype during camp/preseason, but so far at least none of them have lived up to that, with only Bowser and Powser looking like legit NFL players; tho in fairness, both of them look more than legit and like potential future All Pros.
Glaze is getting some play right now to. I don't know how he looks on the field, living here in South Dakota I don't get to watch a lot of Raiders games but maybe he will turn out ok as well
 
AOC the starter next weekend.
Regarding O'Connell, I'm a fan and I think this is a step in the right direction. He just, IMO, looks the part of an NFL quarterback. While he doesn't have "it," he does have "something." Which is more than Minshew who I feel has "little" or "nothing."
Now, hopefully, they've got 12 games to figure out what that "something" is.
Knowing the Raiders, it's probably chlamydia.
That's very funny!!! Hopefully if O'Connell has "something" like that, he doesn't "pass" it along to the team...
 
Harrowing thought No. 1,607 since Pierce took over: If they tank or swoon or, more likely, get coached into oblivion this season and manage a top 10 pick and get their "franchise" quarterback, how confident can you feel that kid reaches a fraction of his potential if Pierce and Getsy are still at the controls?
I'll see your 1,607 and raise it - what if AOC goes 7-5 to end the season? We end up 8-9 and drafting in the teens and "might" have our QB - do we trust a HC on year 2.5 to be willing to wipe the slate and go all in on a rookie QB? Do we get suckered again into thinking "maybe we already have the guy"? Are we right back where we were last May hoping Penix drops to us again? And THEN how confident can you feel that kid reaches a fraction of his potential if Pierce and Getsy are still at the controls?
All valid harrowing thoughts. "Prediction?" With Pierce and Getsy at the controls? "Pain."
 
Ya can't make this stuff up!!! This vid was released nearly 6 months before Pierce's ill-fated "business decisions" comments--and not a Raider in the bunch!!
:biggrin: (Probably saving the silver and black for a separate video.) And to think jokers like these cost bettors thousands of dollars each week with sterling efforts like these.

NFL “Business Decision” MOMENTS
 
This team tanking or what? lol It's not even week 6 and they're down a ton of starters. Feels like Meyers looked good to go, but guess not.
 
Wilkins on IR.


We are cursed.
No you're not. You're regressing to the mean. The Raiders were remarkably healthy last year, especially defensively, especially the last half of the year when they played lights out. That was bound to catch up to them sooner or later...in this case sooner.
I remember AP bragging about how he couldn't keep the players out of the training room , how gung ho they were to get the season started , and im pretty sure they never really rested . Thats how injuries start stacking up, they burnt themselves out IMO ,based on reports .
 
Gotta give props to Telesco for holding firm last week and refusing to deal Adams. All the news outlets were buzzing last Sunday and Monday "trade imminent" and "trade to take place in next 48 hours." So much garbage reporting.
Reports now say Adams is warming to the idea of staying with O'Connell now starting. Whatever.
Anyway, I hope Telesco hangs tough until he gets a fair offer, whatever that may be.
 
No depth
No offense
No QB
Untimely, drive killing turnovers and penalties.
No home field advantage.
I hate that the haters and pundits are always right. But is there a worse team than the Raiders right now?
 
Glad I was busy doing stuff from 1-4 and just checked the score at the end, seeing exactly what I expected on the scoreboard.

What’s worse is I think my 8 fantasy teams are going 1-7 this weekend.
 

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