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2024 New York Football Giants (hello darkness my old friend) (2 Viewers)

Yenrub

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Thread for the 2024 NY Giants.

2023 was a disaster, the Giants have the #6 pick in the 2024 draft.
Still looking for a new DC.
 
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I wonder how much the defense needs to change to fit his system.
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He's extremely adaptable.
Titans led the NFL in games missed due to injuries three years in a row and while he was there they had three seasons where they turned over about half the roster.

I was whiney when Vrabel came and didn't retain **** Lebeau but then it came out that he wanted to move on. Bowen couldn't get over the collection of stuff he left. Lebeau spent 2?3? months meeting with Bowen and going over some tape.

He was Vrabel's LB coach in Houston.
Many believe Vrabel ran the D in TEN but Bowen didn't exactly do nothing.

Once Schwartz healed, he returned to the NFL as an advisor for the Titans and worked with Bowen.

Somewhere in there I think Mora Jr was a LB coach for him.
Ooh and I forgot Pees too

He has a background that I love. He knows the Pats D and Steelers D and....he coached Watt and....

Carl Banks said something like this will be his first job by himself.
He earned the chance.
Titans new HC was torn about keeping him because he gave the Bengals alot of trouble. It wasn't just new staff, he's gone.

Like Vrabel, he makes 100 excuses for CBs and I don't care for that.
Every other position he'll sit ya if you're not doing your job AND he'll put ya back in to prove you can do it. Guys like playing for him. Very simple
 
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All I had to do was start a new thread and bring it up. Giants hire new DC today.
https://www.bigblueview.com/2024/2/5/24062783/giants-will-hire-shane-bowen-as-defensive-coordinator

Shane Bowen formally of the Titans
In 2021, Tennessee ranked sixth in the NFL in points allowed. In 2022, they were 14th. Last season, the Titans sank to 27th in the 32-team league in points allowed.
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A lot of my friends I grew up with have moved to Tennessee from the tristate area.

The last 5?6? years a lot of NFL players and coaches have gone from TEN to teams in the tristate area. Giants and Eagles have a few, Jets have a lot.

It's weird.

Adoree won't be re-signed or brought back or whatever. He couldn't have been more annoying with his injuries in TEN and not honest about em.

I think the Giants D will now be in the market for former Titans and Falcons -to fill roles.

I'd guess Brian Cushing is probably going to be a Giants assistant coach, maybe asst LB coach- low level.

If Philly cuts Byard, Bowen will be at the airport not letting him leave 😊 He was an all pro for him but hasn't done well since the trade
 
Banks doesn't have much of anything on his X page.
It'll be there soon enough though and on Bleav also. I'd watch for that. He and Bob Papa are gems together.
The usual sites seem to be in favor of him as DC.
I prefer Banks. Very simple n knowledgeable explanations
 
Mike Garafolo
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The #Giants are hiring former #Titans offensive coordinator Tim Kelly as their TEs coach, sources say. Kelly coached #Texans TEs in 2017-18 and has been an offensive coordinator or passing game coordinator every year since.
 
Sorry y'all.
He was the Titans pass game coordinator two years ago and OC last year.
Look at Tannehill's stats on PFR.
He had the worst offense in Houston too

Very sorry
 
Yenrub said:
If Giants decide to move Evan Neal to guard, Raiders RT Jermaine Eluemunor would be a candidate to replace him.
https://www.bigblueview.com/2024/2/...luemunor-seems-like-perfect-target-for-giants

Giants did hire his OL coach this year so there is a connection.
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Can't be worse then were they are now. The only OL guy that I feel they should be wedded to is Thomas. Everybody else needs to improve 100 fold.

Just saw this. Don't disagree.
 
The Athletic's Dan Duggan: Giants 10-step offseason plan: Put an end to Daniel Jones era, fix offensive line (Intro, #1-#4)
A year ago, the New York Giants were aiming to build on their first playoff win in 10 years. But the path to becoming a legitimate contender took a major detour with a disappointing 6-11 record last season.

Now, general manager Joe Schoen and coach Brian Daboll must try to get their program turned around as they enter a pivotal third season. Here’s my 10-step plan for the offseason to get the Giants back on track:

1. Cut RG Mark Glowinski​

Cap space will be at a premium as Schoen looks to fill the roster’s many holes. Cutting Glowinski is the most obvious path to creating more cap space. Dumping Glowinski would create $5.7 million in cap savings while leaving just $1.5 million in dead money. That’s a no-brainer, especially with Glowinski losing his starting job one week into last season.

2. Restructure LT Andrew Thomas and DL Dexter Lawrence​

Again, the Giants are going to need cap space. They enter the offseason with a projected $21.8 million in cap space, which is the 17th-most in the league. Schoen once called restructures a “last resort,” but he’s used them repeatedly throughout his tenure.

Once a team starts restructuring contracts, there’s no sense in stopping the practice of pushing cap charges into the future. Restructuring Thomas and Lawrence would create $25.6 million in cap savings this year.

Thomas, who is signed through 2029, and Lawrence, who is signed through 2027, aren’t going anywhere for a while. It won’t hurt to push money into the future, especially with the cap increasing each year. These restructures can happen any time cap space is needed, but there’s an impetus to act with Thomas since he’s due a $5 million roster bonus on March 17. The Giants’ savings would be reduced by $4 million if they don’t restructure Thomas’ contract before he collects that bonus.

Linebacker Bobby Okereke is another restructuring candidate, with his contract offering a potential $4.5 million in cap savings. That will likely happen eventually, but there won’t be an urgent need to do so after creating so much cap space with the Thomas and Lawrence restructures.

Restructures of quarterback Daniel Jones (potential $22.9 million in cap savings) and tight end Darren Waller (potential $6.2 million in cap savings) should be avoided since doing so would add to the dead money charge in 2025 if either player is dumped next offseason.

3. Trade up for a quarterback​

Trading up for the No. 1 pick would be the ideal outcome to have my choice of quarterbacks, but that doesn’t seem realistic amid reports it would take a “historic haul” for the Bears to deal the top pick. And it’s hard to imagine the quarterback-needy Commanders trading the No. 2 pick to a divisional rival.


That leaves the Patriots at No. 3. There have been murmurs the Patriots could pursue a veteran quarterback to kick-start their post-Bill Belichick rebuild. That would make the third pick available.

Doing this deal would be contingent on being comfortable giving up premium assets to land the No. 3 quarterback in this class, likely North Carolina’s Drake Maye or LSU’s Jayden Daniels. The Athletic’s draft guru Dane Brugler believes Maye or Daniels are worthy of the investment required to trade up.

Forcing a quarterback pick can set a franchise back (ahem, 2019). But the Giants can’t be afraid to take a swing, especially when they’re in a position to move up just a few spots to potentially land a franchise-altering player.

There’s a clear blueprint for the cost of trading up from No. 6 to No. 3. In 2018, the Jets sent the sixth pick and three second-round picks to the Colts for the No. 3 pick. The Jets sent two second-round picks in 2018 (No. 37 and No. 49) and a second-rounder in 2019 to make the deal. The comparison couldn’t be any cleaner, as the Giants have two second-round picks this year (Nos. 39 and 47) and a second-rounder next year to duplicate the 2018 package. That’s a hefty price, but it won’t matter if the Giants land the right quarterback — and not their Sam Darnold.

This move is listed so early in the plan because teams don’t wait until the draft to make these trades. Last year, the Panthers traded up for the No. 1 pick on March 10, which was before the start of free agency.

(Step 3A: If there isn’t a willing trade partner for one of the top three quarterbacks, the Giants should stay at No. 6 and take the best wide receiver remaining from Ohio State’s Marvin Harrison Jr., LSU’s Malik Nabers and Washington’s Rome Odunze, unless there’s a strong offer to trade down. I wouldn’t force a pick on one of the second-tier quarterbacks, which would likely require a trade back into the first round. The Giants instead could ride with Jones for this season and spend the next 11 months focused on acquiring capital to move up in the 2025 draft).


4. Re-sign S Xavier McKinney​

This may fall into the easier-said-than-done category, but re-signing McKinney should be a top priority. The Giants have made a habit of letting quality homegrown players leave in free agency. It’s hard to build a winner when there isn’t a foundation of talent and leadership, as the Giants have proven over the past decade.

McKinney was a second-round hit in the 2020 draft. The goal should be to reward the players who have proven they can succeed in your organization.

There have certainly been some bumps along the way for McKinney, most notably the ill-advised ATV accident during the bye week in 2022 that cost him seven games with broken fingers. But the team didn’t dock McKinney’s pay during his absence, which is a sign they didn’t hold the mistake against him.

McKinney also has made waves with some comments to the media, but he’s not a locker-room problem. He’s a passionate competitor who doesn’t handle losing well, and he’ll need to learn to channel his frustrations better. But the respect McKinney has from his teammates is evidenced by him being voted captain each of the past two seasons.

Having made the case to re-sign McKinney, it won’t be an easy process. He’ll surely seek top dollar as he hits the open market after the Giants declined to engage in preliminary negotiations on an extension.

Pro Football Focus projects a three-year, $37.5 million contract for McKinney. The Giants should happily pay $12.5 million per year for a versatile 24-year-old leader. McKinney likely will have his sights set higher, but only six safeties make more than $15 million per year.

Marcus Williams signed a five-year, $70 million contract with the Ravens in 2022. Williams was 25 at the time and, like McKinney, had no Pro Bowl or All-Pro selections in his career. A deal in the $14 million per year range for McKinney seems fair for both sides.
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5. Let RB Saquon Barkley test the market​

A year ago, I proposed letting Barkley walk in free agency. Schoen likely wishes he followed that advice rather than franchise-tagging Barkley and paying him $10.1 million.

Another franchise tag would cost $12.1 million on the 2024 cap, so that shouldn’t even be a consideration. And there should be less interest in a long-term deal with Barkley, now a year older (27) and coming off a less productive season that included a three-game absence with an ankle injury.


Rather than engaging in another round of contentious negotiations, Schoen should let Barkley test the open market with a handshake agreement the running back will allow the Giants to match any offer. Barkley would likely be in for a rude awakening as he hits a crowded running back market at a time when the position is being undervalued.

PFF projects a two-year, $22 million contract for Barkley. That’s too rich for an aging running back on a team with so many holes. If Barkley’s value drops into the $8 million annual range, a re-signing would have to be considered since he remains a dangerous playmaker. Still, that money would be better spent on more valuable positions.

If Barkley gets a strong offer on the market, the Giants should shake his hand and thank him for six years of exemplary service. Then they should pivot to a cheap veteran, like Zack Moss (projected two-year, $7.5 million contract by PFF), in a loaded free-agent market and draft a back on Day 3.
6. Sign G/T Mike Onwenu

When I list a player as a free-agent target, understand that it’s impossible to predict who will be available, how much they’ll cost, if they’ll be interested in signing with the Giants, etc. But I want to give the name of a realistic target, and if the Giants can’t sign that specific player, they can move on to another option at the position.

That said, Onwenu profiles as the perfect free-agent addition for the Giants. The 2020 sixth-round pick has started 56 games in four seasons with the Patriots, splitting time between both guard spots and right tackle.

Onwenu would instantly become the Giants’ second-best offensive lineman behind Thomas regardless of where he plays. And his versatility is an ideal fit for the Giants with their weakness at guard and the uncertainty surrounding right tackle Evan Neal.
If the Giants are ready to pull the plug on Neal and move him inside, Onwenu would be an upgrade at right tackle, where he started the final 11 games of last season. And if the Giants want to give Neal another shot at tackle, Onwenu would represent the best right guard to play next to the No. 7 pick in the 2022 draft.

Onwenu is only 26 and spent his first two seasons playing for new Giants offensive line coach Carmen Bricillo, so the team will have firsthand knowledge of a player known for having strong character. A young, known commodity is the type of player worth spending on in free agency.

PFF projects a four-year, $58 million contract for Onwenu. A $14.5 million salary for a quality tackle is a bargain and it’s a reasonable price in a surging guard market.

If the Giants get outbid — it seems likely the Patriots will attempt to retain Onwenu — then they can move on to a market full of solid guards. But Onwenu would be such a perfect fit that it’s worth paying a premium to land him.

7. Sign OT Jermaine Eluemunor

Even if the Giants land Onwenu, they should still invest in a swing tackle/potential stopgap right tackle. Last season showed the value of a quality swing tackle, as the offense dissolved after Thomas suffered a hamstring injury in the opener.

Tyre Phillips would have been a logical option after filling in admirably at right tackle for nine starts last season, but he can’t be relied upon after suffering a torn quad tendon in Week 17. Eluemunor is another free agent who makes sense for the Giants.

After spending the first five seasons of his career as a backup guard and tackle, the 29-year-old Eluemunor has made 31 starts over the past two seasons for the Raiders. Eluemunor mostly played right tackle in Las Vegas but shifted to left tackle when needed.

Eluemunor’s emergence coincided with Bricillo’s arrival as the Raiders’ offensive line coach in 2022. They previously spent the 2019-20 seasons together in New England, so again, Bricillo can provide a personal scouting report on Eluemunor.

Eluemunor was a bargain last season on a one-year, $3 million contract, but he has earned a raise. PFF projects a two-year, $14.5 million contract.

That’s a bit pricy for a swing tackle, but it’s not hard to envision a line of Thomas and Eluemunor at tackle, Onwenu and Neal at guard and John Michael Schmitz at center. That would represent a major upgrade. And even if Eluemunor winds up as the swing tackle, Thomas has missed multiple games in two of four seasons and Neal has missed time in each of his first two seasons.
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Having a quality swing tackle is a necessity, especially with the uncertainty surrounding Neal. If the Giants can’t land Eluemunor, they should sign another proven veteran for the role.

8. Sign OLB Andrew Van Ginkel​

The Giants didn’t address their pass rush last offseason, which was a mistake. Outside linebacker Azeez Ojulari battled injuries again and was unproductive when in the lineup. Kayvon Thibodeaux had 11.5 sacks, but he was inconsistent and his workload was too heavy.

Spending big money on one of the top edge rushers to reach the market is a recipe for an overpay. Instead, the Giants should add an edge rusher to complement Thibodeaux and accommodate a better rotation.
Van Ginkel is an intriguing option as a well-rounded outside linebacker. The 28-year-old tallied six sacks last season and 53 pressures, which were the 29th-most in the league. Van Ginkel can also cover, which is required of outside linebackers in new coordinator Shane Bowen’s defense.

PFF projected a two-year, $13 million contract for Van Ginkel. That’s a fair rate for a No. 2 edge rusher with upside.

If the Giants strike out on Van Ginkel, Titans defensive end Denico Autry could be a viable alternative. Autry thrived under Bowen in Tennessee, recording 28.5 sacks over the past three seasons.

Autry would fill a void at defensive end in Bowen’s 3-4 defense. The 33-year-old is projected by PFF to land a one-year, $7.25 million contract. That’s reasonable for a productive pass rusher, but Van Ginkel is more attractive because of his youth and versatility.
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part 3, (Intro, #9-#10, closing)
9. Sign CB Sean Murphy-Bunting

I proposed signing Murphy-Bunting a year ago, but Schoen elected not to spend on a cornerback. Murphy-Bunting signed a one-year, $3.5 million contract with the Titans and made 14 starts for Bowen’s defense.

The 26-year-old Murphy-Bunting played exclusively outside corner last season, but he played extensively in the slot during his first four seasons with the Buccaneers. That versatility should be appealing for the Giants since they have questions at the outside corner spot opposite Deonte Banks and in the slot.

Murphy-Bunting isn’t a star, but he’s a solid veteran familiar with Bowen’s scheme who can capably fill a hole. PFF projects a one-year, $4 million deal, which is good value for a stopgap at a premium position.

10. Trade back in the middle rounds of the draft​

Giving up three second-round picks would be a blow to Schoen’s ability to fortify the team’s depth, even if it would be well worth it if the quarterback pans out. With just four other selections (one apiece in the third, fourth, fifth and sixth rounds), there would need to be an emphasis on stockpiling more mid-round picks.

Trading back a few spots in the third round could likely yield an additional fifth-round pick. Trading back further in the third round could yield a fourth-rounder. The same applies in the fourth round, where the Giants could pick up another fifth- or sixth-round pick by trading back.

The trades would be an avenue to secure more swings since mid-round picks are a crapshoot. The Giants need more depth at almost every position, so adding a few extra Day 3 picks would increase the odds of finding a hidden gem.
The Giants are caught in a tricky spot. They can’t go all-in to win now, but two years into a rebuild isn’t the time to blow things up. They need to make calculated moves that improve the roster while making their biggest investments in pieces that will help the team long term.

My plan is an attempt at threading that needle. Everything is geared toward trading up for a quarterback and hoping Maye or Daniels eventually lead the Giants back to Super Bowl contention. If it’s impossible to trade up for a quarterback, the other steps to this plan still apply, but the long-term outlook is less promising.


Upgrading the offensive line is a priority regardless of who is at quarterback. Onwenu would be a key piece for the future, while Eluemunor would fill an immediate need. The money saved from Barkley could be spent on the O-line upgrades, which should help lesser backs thrive.

Re-signing McKinney would secure a young leader to join Lawrence, Thibodeaux, Banks and Okereke as defensive cornerstones. The proposed defensive additions are geared more toward the present, but Van Ginkel and Murphy-Bunting could upgrade vital spots while young players develop and/or long-term solutions are acquired.

Failing to secure a No. 1 wide receiver would be disappointing, but that’s not a position that typically provides strong value in free agency. And a blockbuster trade is out of the question with so much invested in moving up for a quarterback. Landing a No. 1 wide receiver would be the top priority next offseason when the team hopefully has a potential franchise quarterback entering his second season.
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Hey fellas you might want to start your JJ McCarthy research because the Giants are letting it be known via their media operatives that they are interested in the Michigan signal caller.
Here are a couple of examples:
https://x.com/art_stapleton/status/1762230687283745262?s=20
https://x.com/WBG84/status/1759668485070737772?s=20

Pardon me while I start shopping for way to make my TV and recliner vomit proof because if the Giants take McCarthy at 6 there will be projectile vomiting going on all night.
 
Yenrub said:
Hey fellas you might want to start your JJ McCarthy research because the Giants are letting it be known via their media operatives that they are interested in the Michigan signal caller.
Here are a couple of examples:
https://x.com/art_stapleton/status/1762230687283745262?s=20
https://x.com/WBG84/status/1759668485070737772?s=20

Pardon me while I start shopping for way to make my TV and recliner vomit proof because if the Giants take McCarthy at 6 there will be projectile vomiting going on all night.
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I'm with you on that ... If they trade way back in the 1st to get him or take him in the 2nd, which seems impossible all of a sudden, I'm onboard.
If they take him with the now infamous #6 pick ... I'm throwing my TV through my other TV.

I'd Rather any 1 of these guys in the 2nd or 3rd than McCarthy @ #6
  • Michael Penix Jr. Washington Sr QB 5 6-3 213
  • Bo Nix Oregon Sr QB 6 6-2 217
  • Spencer Rattler South Carolina Sr QB 7 6-1 217
  • Michael Pratt Tulane Jr QB 8 6-3 220


ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper Jr. strenuously objects to that idea, throwing his full support behind Giants quarterback Daniel Jones. “Daniel Jones is going to be a better quarterback [than McCarthy],” Kiper said. “Daniel Jones has already shown he can be a winning NFL quarterback, a really good quarterback.1 day ago
 
Not sold on DJ. I would not be opposed to taking a QB at 6. I would love to see us mortgage the future busts and go after the #1 pick.
 
I think going for #1 might be too pricey with all the potential holes the Giants may have (possibly no McKinney or Barkley), but I'd absolutely trade up from the 2nd round (pick #39, 2.7) into the back half of the 1st and grab Michael Penix Jr.. Clean medicals and did everything complex you want your signal caller to do in college. Think poor man's Eli Manning with better athleticism and an absolute railgun for an arm.

GMEN HQ: NY Giants fans should want this Day 2 QB target after the 2024 NFL Combine

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I can't believe Kiper thinks Jones is a good QB. I find it hard to believe when anyone thinks he's good at this point (Jones... and Kiper). The Giants have to move on from him.
 
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I think going for #1 might be too pricey with all the potential holes the Giants may have (possibly no McKinney or Barkley), but I'd absolutely trade up from the 2nd round (pick #39, 2.7) into the back half of the 1st and grab Michael Penix Jr.. Clean medicals and did everything complex you want your signal caller to do in college. Think poor man's Eli Manning with better athleticism and an absolute railgun for an arm.

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I think #1 is pricy but if you are going to do it ... Do it right.
Caleb is hands down the best choice of this years QBS and the more I look at the others the less I like them
Drake Maye ... I havent seen much of him, I dont like that he didnt attend the combine and If Kiper thinks Jones is better, I definitely do not want to trade up for him or take him at the sam spot that they took Jones. I also heard that Maye was teribble for the last 5-6 games of the season.
Jayden Daniels - I've soured on him ... A little older, surrounded bu incredible talent (oline and WRs) Cant work the middle of the field which is bad.
JJ MCCarthy ... I have him as my #2 at this point ... Very young, bigger than expected and Thought he looked very good at the combine - But like Maye I wouldnt want to take him at #6
Bo Nix ... I thought he looked terrible at the combine ... not interested.
Penix - Similar concerns to Daniels in addition to injuries ... Oline is incredible, WRs Odunze and 2 other WRs projected to go in 1-3 rds - Definitely wouldnt take him in the 1st rd

So for me trade up for Caleb or trade back in the 1st Rd and get additional picks in the 2nd and 3rd rd
 
garbage

great that we are not paying out best players like Saquon and McKinney and saving all that cash for Daniel Jones' next extension.
 
ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports the Giants and OG Jon Runyan have agreed to a three-year, $30 million contract.

Few teams needed more offensive line help than the Giants, who ranked dead last in PFF pass blocking and 30th in run blocking. Runyan has started every game he’s played since 2021 and can line up at either guard position, although he’s played almost exclusively at right guard since 2022. The Giants cut ties with veteran guard Mark Glowinski, who was second along the line in offensive snaps (1,169), creating an immediate void on the right side that Runyan can now fill.
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Giants acquired EDGE Brian Burns from the Panthers in exchange for second- and fifth-round picks.

NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport reports the deal includes a five-year extension for Burns worth a “maximum” of $150 million with $87.5 million guaranteed. Per RapSheet, it makes the 26-year-old (in April) the second highest paid edge rusher in the league. That trade return, of course, is far less than what the Panthers reportedly turned down from the Rams in 2022. One of the league’s premier pass rushers, Burns notched “just” nine sacks for last year’s terri-bad Panthers, but he has never recorded fewer than eight quarterback takedowns in five NFL seasons. It’s a jolting addition for what was a lackadaisical Giants pass rush in 2023. The G-Men are still a long way from good, but they just got a whole lot better for 2024 without surrendering a first-round pick.
- Rotoworld
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Giants agreed to terms with OL Jermaine Eluemunor, formerly of the Raiders, on a two-year, $14 million contract.NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport was first on the scoop. Eluemunor started 31 games for the Raiders over the past two years. The bulk of his work has come at right tackle, though he did see three starts at left tackle and one at right guard over that span. Eluemunor has additional experience at both positions from previous seasons. The move gives New York a versatile linemen who can fill any one of their many holes across the offensive line.
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I actually like these deals. Eluemunor was a target in FA I wanted (#7 on Dan Duggan's Giants 10-Step Plan), Runyan I saw in Green Bay a lot, solid though unspectacular, but he's way better than Glowinski. Brian Burns deal is going all in on pass rushing at the cost of McKinney.


My deal is you can't pay Burns that much and then tank in 2024. So... what's the move here?
 
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I don't think they ever planned on tanking. They're stuck with Jones but I hope they still go after a good rookie QB to develop. RB and Safety aren't valued positions so I'm not annoyed that Barkley and McKinney are gone, especially in favor of a top DE and the improvements on the o-line. They already signed a RB and can draft someone else on day 3 if they want, but there are a bunch of good Safeties available that will be a good replacement but won't cost nearly as much as McKinney.
 
The Frankman said:
garbage

great that we are not paying out best players like Saquon and McKinney and saving all that cash for Daniel Jones' next extension.
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Bears fan here so I know the pain, but the fact that you guys paid Daniel Jones and Darren Waller all that money but not Saquon is absurd.

Things can turn around fast. So what if you end up drafting at 1.01 overall? This year is a dead year, keeping Barkley would have won you more games than you would have wanted anyway


I hope you guys don't reach on McCarthy that would put you guys behind another 2-3 years. Build the offensive line and then take your signal caller next year when you can get the guy you want, not the guy who happens to be available.


That's how you ended up with Daniel Jones to begin with. Take your medicine so the healing can begin.
 
RC94 said:
I don't think they ever planned on tanking. They're stuck with Jones but I hope they still go after a good rookie QB to develop. RB and Safety aren't valued positions so I'm not annoyed that Barkley and McKinney are gone, especially in favor of a top DE and the improvements on the o-line. They already signed a RB and can draft someone else on day 3 if they want, but there are a bunch of good Safeties available that will be a good replacement but won't cost nearly as much as McKinney.
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SuperFantasyFootballGuy said:
The Frankman said:
garbage

great that we are not paying out best players like Saquon and McKinney and saving all that cash for Daniel Jones' next extension.
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Bears fan here so I know the pain, but the fact that you guys paid Daniel Jones and Darren Waller all that money but not Saquon is absurd.

Things can turn around fast. So what if you end up drafting at 1.01 overall? This year is a dead year, keeping Barkley would have won you more games than you would have wanted anyway


I hope you guys don't reach on McCarthy that would put you guys behind another 2-3 years. Build the offensive line and then take your signal caller next year when you can get the guy you want, not the guy who happens to be available.


That's how you ended up with Daniel Jones to begin with. Take your medicine so the healing can begin.
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Both of you make good points that the Giants were never going to tank 2024. They DID get 2.15 in the draft from Seattle, and they could use it to move up to the late 1st for a QB. They still could go WR/O-line for the #6 pick. I just don't trust the Giants to make the needed draft move right now I guess.

I'm also kinda pissed they didn't use the younger backs like Brightwell and Gray more if they knew they weren't signing Saquon. I get the market is flooded at RB and saftey as they pivot to a new defensive scheme, but boy it hurts to lose two homegrown leaders because they had to overpay the wrong guy.
 
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Like the Burns trade/signing.

Gave up a chip that would have been helpful in moving up in this years draft if one of the top 3 teams were open to moving down but I don't think they are.

My guess is they will stay at 6 and take Nabers/Odunze.

Tyrod reportedly signed with the Jets.

Edit: In addition to the Runyan signing they also look to have signed OT/OG Jermaine Eluemunor to a 2-year, $14M deal. From the Raiders and played under the Giants new O-line coach last year.
 
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SuperFantasyFootballGuy said:
The Frankman said:
garbage

great that we are not paying out best players like Saquon and McKinney and saving all that cash for Daniel Jones' next extension.
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Bears fan here so I know the pain, but the fact that you guys paid Daniel Jones and Darren Waller all that money but not Saquon is absurd.

Things can turn around fast. So what if you end up drafting at 1.01 overall? This year is a dead year, keeping Barkley would have won you more games than you would have wanted anyway


I hope you guys don't reach on McCarthy that would put you guys behind another 2-3 years. Build the offensive line and then take your signal caller next year when you can get the guy you want, not the guy who happens to be available.


That's how you ended up with Daniel Jones to begin with. Take your medicine so the healing can begin.
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At least Jones has shown periods of brilliance. The guy went on the road and won a playoff game with garbage surrounding him. I'd kill for that as a Bears fan.
 
Giants are signing Drew Lock to a one-year deal for $5 million.

I think it's time for the Giants to call the Bears and offer a 6th round pick for Feilds.
 
The Big Donkey said:
Like the Burns trade/signing.
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I actually don't mind that deal. It's not an immediate fix for what ails the Giants, but it will help to unlock Thib who should face fewer double teams, and addresses one of the most difficult need positions of every team. He was paid what the market would bear, and I can't hate on it.

I can see how Giants fans do hate it because of giving up draft capital, and spending money on something that doesn't fix the offense, but the more I think about it, the more I like the move to secure an elite DL.
 
The Big Donkey said:
Like the Burns trade/signing.

Gave up a chip that would have been helpful in moving up in this years draft if one of the top 3 teams were open to moving down but I don't think they are.

My guess is they will stay at 6 and take Nabers/Odunze.

Tyrod reportedly signed with the Jets.

Edit: In addition to the Runyan signing they also look to have signed OT/OG Jermaine Eluemunor to a 2-year, $14M deal. From the Raiders and played under the Giants new O-line coach last year.
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I was a bit surprised that the Giants spent big money on Burns but I like the player.

From what I have read about the new DC, they won’t be blitzing nearly as much as they did under Wink. This DC prefers to get pressure with 4.

This move makes Azeez the #3 pass rusher which I think is great for both him and the Giants. Azeez is in the last year of his deal and has issues staying healthy.
 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
The Big Donkey said:
Like the Burns trade/signing.
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I actually don't mind that deal. It's not an immediate fix for what ails the Giants, but it will help to unlock Thib who should face fewer double teams, and addresses one of the most difficult need positions of every team. He was paid what the market would bear, and I can't hate on it.

I can see how Giants fans do hate it because of giving up draft capital, and spending money on something that doesn't fix the offense, but the more I think about it, the more I like the move to secure an elite DL.
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Huh ?? I havent heard anyone say they hate this deal? In Fact whats not to love about ... they just signed one of the best young edge rushers in the game to a long term contract to pair with Dex and Kayvon ... what's the hateable part ???
 
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