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2024 New York Football Giants (hello darkness my old friend) (5 Viewers)
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The Frankman
Footballguy
QB controversy?
10.5 mil guaranteed. He's gonna be the starter.
You guys are forgetting one big thing; this probably assures that they gonna take Travis Hunter at #3. You don't sign two vet QBs who aren't clipboard holders to draft a rookie.
The even more hilarious thing is the franchise that never had a black QB legitimately start for them will now have two to compete against each other.
There's a lot of different scenerios now ... The worst one is Carter and Hunter going 1 and 2 and now everyone knowsthe Giants wont be drafting a QB so they have no leverage
QB controversy?
10.5 mil guaranteed. He's gonna be the starter.
You guys are forgetting one big thing; this probably assures that they gonna take Travis Hunter at #3. You don't sign two vet QBs who aren't clipboard holders to draft a rookie.
The even more hilarious thing is the franchise that never had a black QB legitimately start for them will now have two to compete against each other.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
They would happily draft Ward at three, Wilson/Winston wouldn’t change that.There's a lot of different scenerios now ... The worst one is Carter and Hunter going 1 and 2 and now everyone knowsthe Giants wont be drafting a QB so they have no leverage
QB controversy?
10.5 mil guaranteed. He's gonna be the starter.
You guys are forgetting one big thing; this probably assures that they gonna take Travis Hunter at #3. You don't sign two vet QBs who aren't clipboard holders to draft a rookie.
The even more hilarious thing is the franchise that never had a black QB legitimately start for them will now have two to compete against each other.
RC94
Footballguy
Trade down and get at least another 1st for next year.
Like bringing in Wilson a lot. Wilson>>>Winston, and it allows them to get Travis Hunter or trade down. If Hunter goes #2, I wonder if they'd take Carter with Burns/Thibodeaux at EDGE already. Personally, I think Carter projects to be better than either of them, and Thibodeaux is somewhat expendable in my opinion, but maybe they feel different.
ETA: If the Browns stupidly take Sanders at #2, the trade down market should be pretty high, but its also a draft with only 2 really elite prospects, and they'd both be there.
ETA: If the Browns stupidly take Sanders at #2, the trade down market should be pretty high, but its also a draft with only 2 really elite prospects, and they'd both be there.
Yenrub
Footballguy
I wouldn't be surprised if NE trades up to #2 to grab Hunter.
The Browns would be assuming the Giants aren't going to take Sanders at #3, so they would feel comfortable moving down (If Sanders is who they want)
rockaction
Footballguy
Why do you guys assume they won't take Sanders with Wilson on a one-year deal for $20M? If you think Sanders is the future, you pick him now. You won't be in a position next year to draft a QB with Wilson and Winston probably getting you to six wins.
I don't see why you'd trade down out of Hunter or Carter also. If the next draft class is weak, what's an extra one in the mid-first or later part of the round?
Seeing weird stuff in this thread. There's nothing to suggest you won't still draft Sanders if available. What are you going to do? Draft another EDGE in the long line of EDGEs. How many EDGEs does one man need? There is no real trade market for Thibodeaux (cat's out of the bag), so . . . yeah.
Hunter is the guy you could really use and there isn't a player like him next year.
I don't see why you'd trade down out of Hunter or Carter also. If the next draft class is weak, what's an extra one in the mid-first or later part of the round?
Seeing weird stuff in this thread. There's nothing to suggest you won't still draft Sanders if available. What are you going to do? Draft another EDGE in the long line of EDGEs. How many EDGEs does one man need? There is no real trade market for Thibodeaux (cat's out of the bag), so . . . yeah.
Hunter is the guy you could really use and there isn't a player like him next year.
I'd be pretty surprised if NE traded up. I don't really think they have a preference between Hunter and Carter.
I think its more why should we assume NYG have any interest in Sanders at all? I don't know maybe its just my personal feelings on Sanders, but I think this talk of him going #2 or #3 feels like a media creation, and he's in serious danger of being a late 1st/early 2nd round pick. Same with Dart but even lower.
rockaction
Footballguy
Smoke and fire. Perhaps they were just doing due diligence, but they sent a scout team to each of Sanders's games this year, will meet with him on a visit, etc. Seems like a lot of tea leaf readers have Sanders falling no further than the Giants if Tennessee takes Ward.
If you don't like a guy's game, you don't generally do that.
I think there's a clear #1 positional player in the draft and that it's Hunter. As all the football heads are getting their evaluations in, they've got him as the overall best receiver in the bunch and he's a great corner, too. Another EDGE happens every year. I remember when Chase Young went over Justin Herbert. The Commanders took years to recover from that. He was supposed to be everything and turned out mediocre. Always the quarterback or skill position player if it's a toss-up. Look no further than Kayvon Thibodeaux for a stiff antidote to EDGE fever.
NE especially needs a receiver. They cannot, for the life of them, attract one in free agency. So it's draft one or bust. Forget Diggs. They need a true number one. Hunter is the guy for them. They've got Keion White and Milton Williams on the line to hold the fort. Anfernee Jennings can play run defense. They just signed Landry to be an EDGE at a pretty penny.
Receiver. Need it. Book it.
Couldn't we also argue they were scouting Hunter?
What long line of Edges are you talking about?
The Giants have Zero depth at Edge and if there is no trade market for Thibodeaux they don't even have two solid Edges
rockaction
Footballguy
Brian Burns went where in the conversation? You missed a $141,000,000M dollar guy?
rockaction
Footballguy
Huh. Touché. I'll allow it.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
I don't think Sanders is equal to Hunter or Carter so for me, it's one of those two if I'm drafting #3.
Yenrub
Footballguy
I agree that this signing doesn’t assure the Giants will take Sanders at 3.
What it SHOULD do is assure the Giants don’t do something idiotic like:
A. Reach for Jaxon Dart at #3
B. Trade assets to move up so that they can take Sanders
Sadly, as Giants fans all we can hope for lately is for this front office not to do something idiotic
rockaction
Footballguy
That would be a mess
I think this is much more likely than picking Jaxson Dart, but I still don't think it's likely. How much does it take to move up to one or two from three? It can't be more than a first-round pick. Huh. Now that I'm typing this out, this is very plausible given that Daboll and Schoen are not coming back if they don't get the QB right. What's 2026 to them, really?
So that's not exactly comforting.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
At first, Winston for 8 mil was perfect! you know what your getting and if this staff is what they say they are; they could teach a guy like Winstin to throw less INTs and keep them in games... win win for everyone. Games will be more exciting, better FF numbers and you'll probably be picking between 5 and 10 again next with a better QB class.
Then they give 21 mil to a washed up Russel Wilson
Then they give 21 mil to a washed up Russel Wilson
I disagree. If Ward and Sanders are there at #3 there will be calls from qb needy teams behind The Giants. They would have a lot of leverageThere's a lot of different scenerios now ... The worst one is Carter and Hunter going 1 and 2 and now everyone knowsthe Giants wont be drafting a QB so they have no leverage
QB controversy?
10.5 mil guaranteed. He's gonna be the starter.
You guys are forgetting one big thing; this probably assures that they gonna take Travis Hunter at #3. You don't sign two vet QBs who aren't clipboard holders to draft a rookie.
The even more hilarious thing is the franchise that never had a black QB legitimately start for them will now have two to compete against each other.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Personally I would go Ward, Hunter, trade down, Carter in that order.
Ok ... The Long line of Edges starts and ends with Brian Burns
Giants foolishly let Ojulari walk over to the Dark Side for 1 year $4M
ESPN
Early NFL Power Rankings 2025:
31. Giants
2024 record: 3-14Describe this offseason in three words: Get a quarterback
It's the Giants' No. 1 priority this offseason by a wide margin. They need to find a solution for both next season and the future. The draft, free agency, trade, everything is on the table, according to owner John Mara. Considering the plan all along was to get a quarterback in the draft if Daniel Jones didn't pan out, it's a good bet the Giants will land one of the draft's top options with the third overall pick. -- Jordan Raanan
2025 Strength of Schedule (based on 2024 regular-season records):
1. New York Giants (.574)
Win-loss from 2024 teams: 166-123Games vs. teams with .500+ win percentage in 2024: 10
Games vs. 2024 playoff teams: 10
Could you imagine the **** Show that would come with having this group together ... What could possibly go wrong?
Russell Wilson
Jameis
Shedeur and Deion
This has Reallity TV written all over it ... We have to find a way to get Kaepernick involved
Thinking about this more and more, while it doesn't prevent it, I think it happening signals that won't be what happens.
Think about the Giants offseason so far. They were the team that was after Stafford, they were after Rodgers, they ostensibly settled for Russ. If they really liked Sanders, why would they be pursuing these guys? I think the simple answer is they did their diligence on Sanders, and came away unimpressed, or at least not impressed enough to like him at #3.
I think the Giants are done at QB, I don't expect them to draft anyone other than maybe on day 3, and even then...meh. A Wilson/Winston/Devito room feels acceptable.
At this point, I think Ward to the Titans can be written in pen. I think ideally you are praying the Browns take Sanders at #2, though I would bet against that.
Either way, I think trade down makes a ton of sense. They need to win this year, adding more players makes that easier. I think an interesting scenario is trade down just a little and still get someone like McMillan or Jeanty and then add either a WR (Burden?) or RB (Henderson?) at 34, to give Russ more playmakers, besides Nabers. Which also will be more appealing for a potential QB next offseason.
I could see Vegas at 6, Carolina at 8, New Orleans at 9, and Chicago at 10 all being interested in moving up for Carter or Hunter. Raiders feel like a team wanting to make a splash, Panthers and Saints have trade up histories, and Bears have lots of capital and few holes.
Travis Hunter is a great pick regardless of what position you play him. Jackson Dart has the best PR / hype team. I don't see him being a first rounder. He could be this drafts Malik Willis overhyped to throw teams off their real pick.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Rather have them roll the dice with Milroe in the 2nd, although I won’t be surprised if someone takes him in the first.
RC94
Footballguy
I'm getting a jack of all trades but master of none feeling about Hunter. What he did in college was incredible, but I'm having a hard time seeing him be a part time contributor as a DB so if they want to primarily play him at WR, IMO he will pretty much just be a WR. He can play some WR if he's a CB, but I don't think he's an elite CB. I don't think he's going to be some dominant player. I think he's very good at both positions, but at the 1.03 I think I'd prefer a specialist like Carter who can be truly great at the position he plays.
I'd really prefer they trade down. I think they need as much additional premium draft capital that they can get since they have so many needs and some of them can be filled with very good players later in the 1st (DT and O-line in particular). I want them to take a QB in the late 1st or in the 2nd, but IMO the 2nd best QB in this draft is Shough. I'd rather they get him over Sanders or Dart.
I'd really prefer they trade down. I think they need as much additional premium draft capital that they can get since they have so many needs and some of them can be filled with very good players later in the 1st (DT and O-line in particular). I want them to take a QB in the late 1st or in the 2nd, but IMO the 2nd best QB in this draft is Shough. I'd rather they get him over Sanders or Dart.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
I'm here as well. I don't get picking him at 3 if you're the Giants, especially if you think he's a WR first and foremost. Two top 6 picks in back to back years and you use them both on receivers? Is the occasional rep on D worth that sort of investment?
They should defo trade that pick I think, if it goes Ward - Carter to start.
For Sure ... Milroe has the highest ceiling and best physical qualities (see Lamar Jackson)
The Problem is ... He's not making it to the 2nd round ... maybe not even past pick 20 (he could be the 3rd QB picked)
Some people are saying that Hunter may be the Best WR and Best CB prospect in the draft
RC94
Footballguy
I know, but not everyone agrees on him. I think it would be a waste to take a WR in the top 6 two years in a row. Their WRs are better than people recognize IMO and even with Wilson or Winston they will show improvement over what Daniel "deer in headlights" Jones offered them. I would be ok with them adding another CB later in the draft, but since they spent fairly big money on improving the DBs in free agency and they have drafted 7 DBs in the last 3 years, I don't think taking a CB is the best use of 1.03.
I really want OL. John Michael Schmitz, Evan Neal, Joshua Ezeudu, and Marcus McKethan are the only O-linemen Schoen has drafted despite it being a constant problem. All he's really done is throw low level vets at the problem. There are some good O-linemen in this draft, but it would be worth trading down to get them.
I wouldn't mind if they took a big nasty Olineman in the 1st rd every year
IrishTwinkie
Footballguy
This. Until it finally gets fixed. And then some more to get back ups. I am so very tired of having crappy o-lines. All this talk of QBs and WRs just frustrates me. Until the QB can protected, it just doesn't matter. Hell, we just need to go back one game... what did Mahomes look like when his OLine was getting manhandled? If he can't look good under that kinda duress, what hope does any other QB have.? The Giants QBs have been under that kinda duress for 10+ years now.
Fix the line. Please. I'm begging now. Every pick is an OLine guy. I just don't care about anything else until it is fixed.
The Frankman
Footballguy
@benchwarmerbran - YouTube, The Giants Sign Jameis Winston... and Russell Wilson
I AM NOW ON BOARD WITH THE ORGANIZATIONAL PLAN
I AM NOW ON BOARD WITH THE ORGANIZATIONAL PLAN
RC94
Footballguy
Big fan of his work
Yenrub
Footballguy
If Hunter is the pick, I think they would make him primarily a DB with a handful of offenseive packages. Banks has been a dissapointment at CB thus far.
The Giants are going to draft Carter if he is there
If he's gone they are going to draft Hunter
Cam Ward will be the next best quarterback in Tennessee
The Giants will have the chance to sign him in 3/4 years when he leaves The Titans and becomes a quality starter with another team
Book it!
If he's gone they are going to draft Hunter
Cam Ward will be the next best quarterback in Tennessee
The Giants will have the chance to sign him in 3/4 years when he leaves The Titans and becomes a quality starter with another team
Book it!
RC94
Footballguy
Interestingly, that's what I did in the FBG mock for the NYG, although I first traded down from 34 and picked up an extra 2026 1st from SEA. In reality we would probably have to add another pick, like a 3rd or 4th for 2026 to get it done, but it's just for fun anyway and the results were exactly that. I'd be happy with that. I also got an OT and DT in the 3rd.
Thats perfect ... I think Milroe is going to go in the 1st rd ... guy is top 3 athletes in the draft
Yenrub
Footballguy
Milroe makes a lot of sense if Mara is going to keep Dabol & Schoen past this season. He will sit for all the 2025 (or at least most of it).
In 2026 they would let him play and still have Winston under contract to back him up.
The Frankman
Footballguy
I really don't want Milroe at all. I'm tired of having QB options who cannot read a D or y'know ... make an anticipation throw (stares a hole at Daniel Jones).
At this point take Hunter (a shutdown CB on the Giants?) Carter, or trade down. If Dart isn't there in the 2nd go O-Line. Draft is probably deep enough they can get a decent RB in the 4th.
At this point take Hunter (a shutdown CB on the Giants?) Carter, or trade down. If Dart isn't there in the 2nd go O-Line. Draft is probably deep enough they can get a decent RB in the 4th.
