2024 New York Football Giants (hello darkness my old friend) (2 Viewers)

[Yenrub]

The fifth-year option for Thibodeaux would cost the Giants $14.751 million, per Over The Cap. The fifth-year option for Neal would cost $16.685 million.

I assume they will pick up Thibodeaux's option but not Neal's.

 

[Rubi]

The fifth-year option for Thibodeaux would cost the Giants $14.751 million, per Over The Cap. The fifth-year option for Neal would cost $16.685 million.

I assume they will pick up Thibodeaux's option but not Neal's.

Only Joe "The Mastermind" Schoen knows for sure....or does he?

 

[RC94]

The fifth-year option for Thibodeaux would cost the Giants $14.751 million, per Over The Cap. The fifth-year option for Neal would cost $16.685 million.

I assume they will pick up Thibodeaux's option but not Neal's.

Only Joe "The Mastermind" Schoen knows for sure....or does he?

This should be an easy one for him to get right. That said, I thought keeping the team's best home grown players like Barkley or McKinney or at least trading them so he can get some value in return would also be an easy decision. Letting them leave for nothing wasn't something I thought was under consideration.

 

[Rubi]

The fifth-year option for Thibodeaux would cost the Giants $14.751 million, per Over The Cap. The fifth-year option for Neal would cost $16.685 million.

I assume they will pick up Thibodeaux's option but not Neal's.

Only Joe "The Mastermind" Schoen knows for sure....or does he?

This should be an easy one for him to get right. That said, I thought keeping the team's best home grown players like Barkley or McKinney or at least trading them so he can get some value in return would also be an easy decision. Letting them leave for nothing wasn't something I thought was under consideration.

The draft is Thursday
I want to be excited
But there's a voice in my head that sounds like Indiana Jones
And it keeps repeating.....
"I have a very bad feeling about this"

 

[Qammy]

It's Hunter or Carter and the decision will be made for them

Anything but should be considered a disaster

 

[MAC_32]

It's Hunter or Carter and the decision will be made for them

Anything but should be considered a disaster

It'll be Carter and when that happens does that put the wheels in motion to move KT?

 

[Rubi]

It's Hunter or Carter and the decision will be made for them

Anything but should be considered a disaster

It'll be Carter and when that happens does that put the wheels in motion to move KT?

I think they would/should explore that possibility and if a good offer comes their way they should move him. But if not he stays and hopefully becomes part of a "Nascar Pass Pass" part two.

 

[Rubi]

It's Hunter or Carter and the decision will be made for them

Anything but should be considered a disaster

Agree. But what IF The Browns take Sanders and both Carter and Hunter are there at #3?
Who ya drafting?

 

[MAC_32]

It's Hunter or Carter and the decision will be made for them

Anything but should be considered a disaster

Agree. But what IF The Browns take Sanders and both Carter and Hunter are there at #3?
Who ya drafting?

Not happenin'

 

[Rubi]

It's Hunter or Carter and the decision will be made for them

Anything but should be considered a disaster

Agree. But what IF The Browns take Sanders and both Carter and Hunter are there at #3?
Who ya drafting?

Not happenin'

But....what IF it does?

 

[Qammy]

It's Hunter or Carter and the decision will be made for them

Anything but should be considered a disaster

Agree. But what IF The Browns take Sanders and both Carter and Hunter are there at #3?
Who ya drafting?

Not happenin'

But....what IF it does?

I take Hunter because this draft is loaded with Dline and OLBs
The thought of Hunter and Nabers is pretty damn exciting
Andd to that the CB depth and security blanket for Deonte Banks

 

[Qammy]

It's Hunter or Carter and the decision will be made for them

Anything but should be considered a disaster

It'll be Carter and when that happens does that put the wheels in motion to move KT?

It should but only for a fair return ... You cant have too many Dline Oline options ... Load the trenches !
To me KT is worth a 2nd rd pick or packaged to move back into the 1st

 

[Uncle Leo]

Any chance we drop a few slots and take Ashton Jeanty? Maybe that can heal some of the Barkley pain we will experience the next 5 years.

 

[RC94]

It's Hunter or Carter and the decision will be made for them

Anything but should be considered a disaster

Agree. But what IF The Browns take Sanders and both Carter and Hunter are there at #3?
Who ya drafting?

Not happenin'

But....what IF it does?

I think the Giants will take Hunter but I would still prefer Carter. Pass rusher is the most important position on the field besides QB. Not that it needed to be proven, but PHI proved that last year. Plus, while Hunter is undeniably versatile and unique, people aren't really talking about Carter's versatility too. He started out as an off-ball LB. He's a complete defensive player and can rush the passer and defend against the run, which the Giants need. It won't be hard for them to find ways to have Carter, Burns and KT on the field at the same time and if it's not working, then they can trade KT and get a day 2 pick, which can be used to find a starting Guard, which the Giants really need to upgrade.

In an ideal situation, drafting Carter can result in an upgrade to the pass rush, run defense, and IOL by trading KT, which is allowable only by drafting Carter. Plus a side bonus of saving some money to spend in other areas because KT is going to get his 2nd contract soon.

 

[Yenrub]

It's Hunter or Carter and the decision will be made for them

Anything but should be considered a disaster

It'll be Carter and when that happens does that put the wheels in motion to move KT?

It should but only for a fair return ... You cant have too many Dline Oline options ... Load the trenches !
To me KT is worth a 2nd rd pick or packaged to move back into the 1st

I don’t understand why so many people think the Giants should move off KT if they draft Carter.
KT is only 24 years old, he won’t be 25 until December. I believe he is improving.
Any defensive coordinator worth anything (I get that Bowen may not qualify) should be able to make Burns, Carter and KT work.
Carter offers them position flexibility because he can also play (and had played) "off ball" LB.
I say pick up KT's 5th year option and roll all three of those guys out there with Dex and see what the defense can be

 

[MAC_32]

I don’t understand why so many people think the Giants should move off KT if they draft Carter.

Spending balance- keeping KT assumes he's being re-upped, so the amount committed to OLB's (let alone adding Lawrence too) within the next couple years will exceed that of an elite QB. It'd be one thing if this were a team in a window trying to take advantage of a franchise QB on a rookie contract, but that ain't the Giants.

 

[Yenrub]

I don’t understand why so many people think the Giants should move off KT if they draft Carter.

Spending balance- keeping KT assumes he's being re-upped, so the amount committed to OLB's (let alone adding Lawrence too) within the next couple years will exceed that of an elite QB. It'd be one thing if this were a team in a window trying to take advantage of a franchise QB on a rookie contract, but that ain't the Giants

The Giants aren’t paying a QB now and won’t be for the next 4 or 5 seasons

 

[MAC_32]

I don’t understand why so many people think the Giants should move off KT if they draft Carter.

Spending balance- keeping KT assumes he's being re-upped, so the amount committed to OLB's (let alone adding Lawrence too) within the next couple years will exceed that of an elite QB. It'd be one thing if this were a team in a window trying to take advantage of a franchise QB on a rookie contract, but that ain't the Giants

The Giants aren’t paying a QB now and won’t be for the next 4 or 5 seasons

While true, the team is operating with no cap space this year and middle of the pack next year. That's not a good situation for a bad team with no QB. You've got the 2nd most important position on offense locked up (alpha WR), but nothing around him and a bad OL. Long-term, assuming this team drafts Carter, freeing up $ to spend (the $ you're not spending on KT) and either a cost effective OL or complimentary weapon to Nabers (the pick you get for KT) may be a better use of resources than committing to 3 high priced OLB's.

 

[Qammy]

It's Hunter or Carter and the decision will be made for them

Anything but should be considered a disaster

It'll be Carter and when that happens does that put the wheels in motion to move KT?

It should but only for a fair return ... You cant have too many Dline Oline options ... Load the trenches !
To me KT is worth a 2nd rd pick or packaged to move back into the 1st

I don’t understand why so many people think the Giants should move off KT if they draft Carter.
KT is only 24 years old, he won’t be 25 until December. I believe he is improving.
Any defensive coordinator worth anything (I get that Bowen may not qualify) should be able to make Burns, Carter and KT work.
Carter offers them position flexibility because he can also play (and had played) "off ball" LB.
I say pick up KT's 5th year option and roll all three of those guys out there with Dex and see what the defense can be

I dont think KT is worth what he will command fro his 2nd contract ... he's ok but nothing special
He may have more value to a team that needs an edge rusher

 

[Yenrub]

I don’t understand why so many people think the Giants should move off KT if they draft Carter.

Spending balance- keeping KT assumes he's being re-upped, so the amount committed to OLB's (let alone adding Lawrence too) within the next couple years will exceed that of an elite QB. It'd be one thing if this were a team in a window trying to take advantage of a franchise QB on a rookie contract, but that ain't the Giants

The Giants aren’t paying a QB now and won’t be for the next 4 or 5 seasons

While true, the team is operating with no cap space this year and middle of the pack next year. That's not a good situation for a bad team with no QB. You've got the 2nd most important position on offense locked up (alpha WR), but nothing around him and a bad OL. Long-term, assuming this team drafts Carter, freeing up $ to spend (the $ you're not spending on KT) and either a cost effective OL or complimentary weapon to Nabers (the pick you get for KT) may be a better use of resources than committing to 3 high priced OLB's.

1.5 high priced OLB
Burns is high priced
KT isn't yet but will be if you pick up his 5th-year option
Carter will be on a rookie deal

Let the 3 of them play a year together and see what you have.

 

[MAC_32]

1.5 high priced OLB
Burns is high priced
KT isn't yet but will be if you pick up his 5th-year option
Carter will be on a rookie deal

Let the 3 of them play a year together and see what you have.

Do you expect the same return if you put KT on the market March 2026 as you would now?

 

[Yenrub]

1.5 high priced OLB
Burns is high priced
KT isn't yet but will be if you pick up his 5th-year option
Carter will be on a rookie deal

Let the 3 of them play a year together and see what you have.

Do you expect the same return if you put KT on the market March 2026 as you would now?

I don’t know what to expect in return for KT now.
I think he is still ascending and I think he will be better this season so yes I think his value will increase.

People will tell you that KT has been a disappointment, then those same people will turn around and tell you the Giants should get a bounty for him.

 

[Yenrub]

For what it's worth here is Peter Schrager's mock
https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2025/...ns-32-picks-trades-buzz-qbs-sanders-ward-dart
He has the Giants taking Carter at 3, then trading up to 26 to take Dart

It's time for another trade, this one with the third quarterback coming off the board.
In this deal, the Giants would send pick Nos. 34 and 99 to the Rams to move up to No. 26. And crucially, New
York
would keep its original third-round pick -- No. 65 -- to continue to add talent to its roster.

 

[Qammy]

For what it's worth here is Peter Schrager's mock
https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2025/...ns-32-picks-trades-buzz-qbs-sanders-ward-dart
He has the Giants taking Carter at 3, then trading up to 26 to take Dart

It's time for another trade, this one with the third quarterback coming off the board.
In this deal, the Giants would send pick Nos. 34 and 99 to the Rams to move up to No. 26. And crucially, New
York
would keep its original third-round pick -- No. 65 -- to continue to add talent to its roster.

I'd rather keep 34 and 99 and target Tyler Shough somewhere in the 2nd or 3rd rd

 

[Snotbubbles]

For what it's worth here is Peter Schrager's mock
https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2025/...ns-32-picks-trades-buzz-qbs-sanders-ward-dart
He has the Giants taking Carter at 3, then trading up to 26 to take Dart

It's time for another trade, this one with the third quarterback coming off the board.
In this deal, the Giants would send pick Nos. 34 and 99 to the Rams to move up to No. 26. And crucially, New
York
would keep its original third-round pick -- No. 65 -- to continue to add talent to its roster.

I'd rather keep 34 and 99 and target Tyler Shough somewhere in the 2nd or 3rd rd

Shough is a waste of a draft pick. Giants should wait until 2026 to target a QB.

 

[Yenrub]

For what it's worth here is Peter Schrager's mock
https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2025/...ns-32-picks-trades-buzz-qbs-sanders-ward-dart
He has the Giants taking Carter at 3, then trading up to 26 to take Dart

It's time for another trade, this one with the third quarterback coming off the board.
In this deal, the Giants would send pick Nos. 34 and 99 to the Rams to move up to No. 26. And crucially, New
York
would keep its original third-round pick -- No. 65 -- to continue to add talent to its roster.

I'd rather keep 34 and 99 and target Tyler Shough somewhere in the 2nd or 3rd rd

If they are going to take a swing at a developmental QB, I'd rather Milroe over Dart.
I think Dart has the higher floor, Milroe has the higher ceiling

 

[RC94]

And now the Rangers signed Drury to a multi-year extension... The Giants drafting Sanders would finish the full disappointment in the teams I root for.

 

[Qammy]

For what it's worth here is Peter Schrager's mock
https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2025/...ns-32-picks-trades-buzz-qbs-sanders-ward-dart
He has the Giants taking Carter at 3, then trading up to 26 to take Dart

It's time for another trade, this one with the third quarterback coming off the board.
In this deal, the Giants would send pick Nos. 34 and 99 to the Rams to move up to No. 26. And crucially, New
York
would keep its original third-round pick -- No. 65 -- to continue to add talent to its roster.

I'd rather keep 34 and 99 and target Tyler Shough somewhere in the 2nd or 3rd rd

Shough is a waste of a draft pick. Giants should wait until 2026 to target a QB.

One analyst actually has Shough as the number one QB in the draft
He's one of the only QBs with Size and an NFL arm
ESPN and NFL.com has him ranked 4th at almost the same grade as Dart

 

[Qammy]

For what it's worth here is Peter Schrager's mock
https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2025/...ns-32-picks-trades-buzz-qbs-sanders-ward-dart
He has the Giants taking Carter at 3, then trading up to 26 to take Dart

It's time for another trade, this one with the third quarterback coming off the board.
In this deal, the Giants would send pick Nos. 34 and 99 to the Rams to move up to No. 26. And crucially, New
York
would keep its original third-round pick -- No. 65 -- to continue to add talent to its roster.

I'd rather keep 34 and 99 and target Tyler Shough somewhere in the 2nd or 3rd rd

If they are going to take a swing at a developmental QB, I'd rather Milroe over Dart.
I think Dart has the higher floor, Milroe has the higher ceiling

Milroe's ceiling could be Lamar jackson or better ... the problem I heard is his machanics are so bad that he may not be fixable and someone is going to grab him late 1st early second
Shough could probably be had in the 3rd or 4th which is worth a shot to me.
He had a weird career with flukey injuries (broken bones) that ended 3 seasons in a row
He's got an NFL arm and I see his age as an advantage

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Milroe's ceiling could be Lamar jackson or better

Okey dokey Jackson's won 2 MVPs and didn't win a 3rd after one of the best passing seasons in NFL history. I guess you and/or I have higher ceilings, too, because we haven't done anything.

 

[fatness]

Okey dokey Jackson's won 2 MVPs and didn't win a 3rd after one of the best passing seasons in NFL history. I guess you and/or I have higher ceilings, too, because we haven't done anything.

I swear, 80 years from now people will be criticizing the grass on Lamar's grave. It'll be too athletic or something.

 

[Snotbubbles]

For what it's worth here is Peter Schrager's mock
https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2025/...ns-32-picks-trades-buzz-qbs-sanders-ward-dart
He has the Giants taking Carter at 3, then trading up to 26 to take Dart

It's time for another trade, this one with the third quarterback coming off the board.
In this deal, the Giants would send pick Nos. 34 and 99 to the Rams to move up to No. 26. And crucially, New
York
would keep its original third-round pick -- No. 65 -- to continue to add talent to its roster.

I'd rather keep 34 and 99 and target Tyler Shough somewhere in the 2nd or 3rd rd

Shough is a waste of a draft pick. Giants should wait until 2026 to target a QB.

One analyst actually has Shough as the number one QB in the draft
He's one of the only QBs with Size and an NFL arm
ESPN and NFL.com has him ranked 4th at almost the same grade as Dart

That's like being the tallest midget in the circus. You have to put all this into context, this is a weak crop of QBs.

 

[Qammy]

Milroe's ceiling could be Lamar jackson or better

Okey dokey Jackson's won 2 MVPs and didn't win a 3rd after one of the best passing seasons in NFL history. I guess you and/or I have higher ceilings, too, because we haven't done anything.

In terms of physical qualities he's bigger , faster , stronger and has a stronger arm then Lamar so yes He has an etremely high ceiling ... is he likely to reach that ceiling ... No

 

[Qammy]

Okey dokey Jackson's won 2 MVPs and didn't win a 3rd after one of the best passing seasons in NFL history. I guess you and/or I have higher ceilings, too, because we haven't done anything.

I swear, 80 years from now people will be criticizing the grass on Lamar's grave. It'll be too athletic or something.

Or maybe just ... He sucked in the Playoffs ???

 

[Yenrub]

I have seen a lot of recent mock that have the Giants trading up to get Dart. I don’t mind the player, even though I prefer Milroe, but I do mind trading up to get him.

It seems like the only other QB hungry team is Cleveland. Is Dart so far ahead of Milore that they should give up assets to get him? I believe one of those two will be there at 34

 

[Snotbubbles]

I have seen a lot of recent mock that have the Giants trading up to get Dart. I don’t mind the player, even though I prefer Milroe, but I do mind trading up to get him.

It seems like the only other QB hungry team is Cleveland. Is Dart so far ahead of Milore that they should give up assets to get him? I believe one of those two will be there at 34

If you're drafting a QB, doesn't it make sense to trade back into the 1st round to get that 5th year option?

 

[Yenrub]

I have seen a lot of recent mock that have the Giants trading up to get Dart. I don’t mind the player, even though I prefer Milroe, but I do mind trading up to get him.

It seems like the only other QB hungry team is Cleveland. Is Dart so far ahead of Milore that they should give up assets to get him? I believe one of those two will be there at 34

If you're drafting a QB, doesn't it make sense to trade back into the 1st round to get that 5th year option?

Yes and no
If they didn't have sooooo many other holes to fill I would say yes.

 

[RC94]

I have seen a lot of recent mock that have the Giants trading up to get Dart. I don’t mind the player, even though I prefer Milroe, but I do mind trading up to get him.

It seems like the only other QB hungry team is Cleveland. Is Dart so far ahead of Milore that they should give up assets to get him? I believe one of those two will be there at 34

If you're drafting a QB, doesn't it make sense to trade back into the 1st round to get that 5th year option?

Yes and no
If they didn't have sooooo many other holes to fill I would say yes.

Yeah, way too many other needs. Plus, there needs to be a QB worth taking at 3 and there isn't this year.

In general, the 5th year option is still useful, but it's not as useful as people think. IMO it's mainly useful for players who's teams aren't sure they want to extend, especially at the expected asking price. If it's a player they do want to keep, many teams try to get an extention done before the 5th year option is taken. It's teams like DAL who use that option, then the franchise tag and then drag their feet on players they know they want to keep, which results in huge contracts that could have been much smaller if they had taken care of it before all of that.

 

[sm8680]

Too bad the Giants can't draft a GM and HC.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I have seen a lot of recent mock that have the Giants trading up to get Dart. I don’t mind the player, even though I prefer Milroe, but I do mind trading up to get him.

It seems like the only other QB hungry team is Cleveland. Is Dart so far ahead of Milore that they should give up assets to get him? I believe one of those two will be there at 34

If you're drafting a QB, doesn't it make sense to trade back into the 1st round to get that 5th year option?

Yes and no
If they didn't have sooooo many other holes to fill I would say yes.

Yeah, way too many other needs. Plus, there needs to be a QB worth taking at 3 and there isn't this year.

In general, the 5th year option is still useful, but it's not as useful as people think. IMO it's mainly useful for players who's teams aren't sure they want to extend, especially at the expected asking price. If it's a player they do want to keep, many teams try to get an extention done before the 5th year option is taken. It's teams like DAL who use that option, then the franchise tag and then drag their feet on players they know they want to keep, which results in huge contracts that could have been much smaller if they had taken care of it before all of that.

We had this discussion in the Eagles thread. The only player Howie Roseman did not exercise the 5th year option before extending was Lane Johnson. He learned his lesson and now exercises the 5th year option on all the players he extends.

 

[Yenrub]

Abdul Carter is the pick at #3

 

[RC94]

Abdul Carter is the pick at #3

With team leadership as it is, I'm happy they simply didn't do something stupid, like take Sanders at 3.

 

[Uncle Leo]

D Line will be nasty.

 

[Yenrub]

D Line will be nasty.

They still need to add a run stuffing DT on day 2 or 3 next to Dex but I like how it's shaping up
I wonder if they will play Carter at ILB sometimes, taking McFadden off the field

 

[The Big Donkey]

The fifth-year option for Thibodeaux would cost the Giants $14.751 million, per Over The Cap. The fifth-year option for Neal would cost $16.685 million.

I assume they will pick up Thibodeaux's option but not Neal's.

G-men pick Carter at No. 3, will keep Thibodeaux

The Giants selected Penn State star Abdul Carter with the third overall pick in the NFL draft Thursday night.

www.espn.com

"....Moments after selecting Carter, Giants general manager Joe Schoen announced that New York is going to exercise defensive end Kayvon Thibodeaux's fifth-year option, ending speculation that the former first-round pick could be on the move via a trade.

"Kayvon is going to be here. ... You can't have enough pass rushers," Schoen said."

 

[Yenrub]

Giants traded up to take Jaxson Dart QB Ole Miss

 

[RC94]

Giants traded up to take Jaxson Dart QB Ole Miss

I'm ok with what they gave up, which was a lot less than ATL gave to get the pick after. I'm mainly relieved it wasn't Sanders but Dart has upside and there's no pressure to play him this year so it seems like a good fit.

 

[Qammy]

Giants traded up to take Jaxson Dart QB Ole Miss

I'm ok with what they gave up, which was a lot less than ATL gave to get the pick after. I'm mainly relieved it wasn't Sanders but Dart has upside and there's no pressure to play him this year so it seems like a good fit.

So far this pick makes me want to puke ... I have to look at Dart a lot more to see what he's about but at the moment this looks like an Aryan Ole Miss Hail Mary

 

[Qammy]

Holy crap !
No. 34 in the second round, No. 99 in the third round, and a 2026 third-round pick for a guy they coulve gotten with No. 34 in the second round
Worst case Sanders who every analyst is screaming should have been gone by now would have been there

Unreal how bad GMs that make millions of $$$$ could be !

 

[Qammy]

Good News !!!
Jaxson Darts NFL Comparison Gardner Minshew!!
I feel much better now