2024 Outlook for Ravens RBs - The King Henry era is here! (4 Viewers)

[Proust Loves Cake]

Disgraceful job by the league.

I don't know about you guys, but screw Fantasy Football for this guy.He is on my personal do not draft list, and I suggest a worldwide boycott.

I used to be a big fan, but he is on my hate and do not draft ever again list.

He should have been banned for one year by the league.

Outrageous.

good piece by the NYTimes here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/25/sports/football/a-penalty-for-abuse-is-less-than-for-steroids-.html?ref=sports

That'll teach him!

i could care less about what players get in trouble for if they can produce fantasy points at bargain.

Duly noted.

 

[mr roboto]

Disgraceful job by the league.

I don't know about you guys, but screw Fantasy Football for this guy.He is on my personal do not draft list, and I suggest a worldwide boycott.

I used to be a big fan, but he is on my hate and do not draft ever again list.

He should have been banned for one year by the league.

Outrageous.

good piece by the NYTimes here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/25/sports/football/a-penalty-for-abuse-is-less-than-for-steroids-.html?ref=sports

That'll teach him!

what does that even mean?why are we discussing him as a fantasy option?

sometimes guys can be real jerks on these message boards

Wat?

 

[Leonidas]

Pretty sure that was sarcasm.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

People who cross every POS off of their FF draft board must be looking at pretty thin lists. Rice should be in jail -- as should dozens of other players in the NFL. It really doesn't have anything to do with magic football though.

 

[T.Rex]

Disgrace what the league did with this. Even worse the posters here discussing profit margins on a wife beater and trying to minimize the brutality of this act. Says a lot about each one of you who are doing this.

Jesus is that you??? Holier than thou... You perfect person... Your the disgrace, this post says plenty about you.

 

[HughHoney]

Get some free tattoos in college it's 5 games. Goodell is a joke. A complete joke.

You saying it this way 100 times won't make it any more true. There's no NFL policy against getting free tattoos. In fact, I'll bet lots of players are sporting gratis tatts.

The NFL suspended Pryor because its defacto minor league, the NCAA, stood to lose power if the NFL let Pryor skip out of the NCAA's suspension by entering the supplemental draft and they didn't want to facilitate that. Again, I think that's a poor decision but it really doesn't have much to do with the Rice case.

Receiving something for free, 5 games. NFL player knocking a woman out cold, 2 games.

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

Disgrace what the league did with this. Even worse the posters here discussing profit margins on a wife beater and trying to minimize the brutality of this act. Says a lot about each one of you who are doing this.

Jesus is that you??? Holier than thou... You perfect person... Your the disgrace, this post says plenty about you.

Duly noted.

I don't pretend to be perfect, but in certainly know I am not a wifebeater, I condemn men punching women's brains out, and find it fascinating the attempts here and elsewhere by a small minority to minimize when men do such things, all the while spending considerably more time weighing the potential buying opportunities of a known wife beater in fantasy football as opposed to supporting efforts to reduce violence against women.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Disgrace what the league did with this. Even worse the posters here discussing profit margins on a wife beater and trying to minimize the brutality of this act. Says a lot about each one of you who are doing this.

Jesus is that you??? Holier than thou... You perfect person... Your the disgrace, this post says plenty about you.

Duly noted. I don't pretend to be perfect, but in certainly know I am not a wifebeater, I condemn men punching women's brains out, and find it fascinating the attempts here and elsewhere by a small minority to minimize when men do such things, all the while spending considerably more time weighing the potential buying opportunities of a known wife beater in fantasy football as opposed to supporting efforts to reduce violence against women.

What exactly does having Ray Rice on a fantasy football team have to do with "minimizing wife beating?" Rice is human garbage, but not drafting him on your FF team isn't going to prevent him from slapping his wife around, is it? I find it far more odd that you're so up in arms about people wanting to discuss fantasy football on a board that exists for that exact purpose.

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

Disgrace what the league did with this. Even worse the posters here discussing profit margins on a wife beater and trying to minimize the brutality of this act. Says a lot about each one of you who are doing this.

Jesus is that you??? Holier than thou... You perfect person... Your the disgrace, this post says plenty about you.

Duly noted. I don't pretend to be perfect, but in certainly know I am not a wifebeater, I condemn men punching women's brains out, and find it fascinating the attempts here and elsewhere by a small minority to minimize when men do such things, all the while spending considerably more time weighing the potential buying opportunities of a known wife beater in fantasy football as opposed to supporting efforts to reduce violence against women.

What exactly does having Ray Rice on a fantasy football team have to do with "minimizing wife beating?" Rice is human garbage, but not drafting him on your FF team isn't going to prevent him from slapping his wife around, is it? I find it far more odd that you're so up in arms about people wanting to discuss fantasy football on a board that exists for that exact purpose.

I can understand why you might think that. There is a subtle, but very important distinction between what I said (twice) and what you interpreted. I think it's awful for those who effort to minimize Rice's actions while discussing him as a buy opportunity.

Personally, he is undraftable on my team. If others want him on their team, fine. But, don't try to minimize what he's done to justify it. Call a spade a spade, he's a wife beater, make the selection, and move on.

 

[Beefeaters]

Goodell was responsible for handing down an appropriate punishment. He failed miserably. Now he needs to be held accountable for not holding Ray Rice properly accountable. It is a huge part of his job, and he completely and totally botched it up. Now people are (justifiably) ticked off. I hope he squirms over this one. I'd like to see some outside pressure for his resignation over this.

 

[mr roboto]

Would you refuse to buy a stock if the company's CEO is a bad dude? Shop at a store who's manager is a bad guy? This is such a bizarre hill to die on.

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

Would you refuse to buy a stock if the company's CEO is a bad dude? Shop at a store who's manager is a bad guy? This is such a bizarre hill to die on.

Yes and yes. Bizarre that one finds this bizarre.

 

[karmarooster]

I propose a week 3 TV boycott of the Ravens-Browns game... or, if you're going in person, a wife-beater wear-in.

 

[cstu]

Goodell was responsible for handing down an appropriate punishment. He failed miserably. Now he needs to be held accountable for not holding Ray Rice properly accountable. It is a huge part of his job, and he completely and totally botched it up. Now people are (justifiably) ticked off. I hope he squirms over this one. I'd like to see some outside pressure for his resignation over this.

No charges were filed and we don't know the circumstances. It's not right what he did but two games is being held more accountable that players who get arrested for DUI and then get off with a lesser charge and avoid suspension.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

How many games did Dez Bryant get for smackin his Momma?

 

[cstu]

How many games did Dez Bryant get for smackin his Momma?

"I can't keep letting him do this," Angela Bryant said on the 911 call. "I can't keep letting him do me like this. I'm tired. I'm going to put an end to it today. I'm going to put an end to it today. I'm tired."

 

[cstu]

Baltimore Ravens ‏@Ravens 18h

John Harbaugh said that RB Bernard Pierce is seizing the opportunity in front of him.

 

[cstu]

More on Pierce.

 

[Winning IS Everything]

We can all argue the decision on the penalty for Rice and it will get nowhere. However, one needs to realize that Baltimore has a FF playoff schedule of Miami, Jax and Houston. Pretty enticing schedule and worth adding Rice as a RB3 or even RB4 if you can as a potential playoff gem.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Ray Rice - RB - Ravens

According to the Baltimore Sun, suspended RB Ray Rice "sure has looked good in training camp."

Per beat writer Mike Preston, Rice had two long runs over the weekend where he "looked like the Rice of old," and "his cuts were excellent." It's hard to get overly bullish about Rice following a miserable 2013 campaign and now entering 2014 on suspension, but he'll be someone to track closely this preseason.

Source: Baltimore Sun

Jul 29 - 11:00 AM

 

[cloppbeast]

Keep it down, the baby's sleeping.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Goodell was responsible for handing down an appropriate punishment. He failed miserably. Now he needs to be held accountable for not holding Ray Rice properly accountable. It is a huge part of his job, and he completely and totally botched it up. Now people are (justifiably) ticked off. I hope he squirms over this one. I'd like to see some outside pressure for his resignation over this.

No charges were filed and we don't know the circumstances. It's not right what he did but two games is being held more accountable that players who get arrested for DUI and then get off with a lesser charge and avoid suspension.

where do people keep getting this? He was arrested and charges were filed. He took a plea deal that put him in a educational program for first time offenders that avoided a trial.

 

[Nero]

Goodell was responsible for handing down an appropriate punishment. He failed miserably. Now he needs to be held accountable for not holding Ray Rice properly accountable. It is a huge part of his job, and he completely and totally botched it up. Now people are (justifiably) ticked off. I hope he squirms over this one. I'd like to see some outside pressure for his resignation over this.

Rice committed a crime. It was the legal system's job to hand down an appropriate punishment. Goodell's job is to protect the shield. I doubt he takes any real heat, so he got it right.

 

[cloppbeast]

Disgrace what the league did with this. Even worse the posters here discussing profit margins on a wife beater and trying to minimize the brutality of this act. Says a lot about each one of you who are doing this.

The moral righteousness of our society concerns me more than Ray Rice's transgressions. Americans show a lot more restraint in judging themselves than they do others. Throwing stones from glass houses requires a total lack of shame and humility.

And now back to our regularly scheduled programing.

 

[Leonidas]

Would you refuse to buy a stock if the company's CEO is a bad dude? Shop at a store who's manager is a bad guy? This is such a bizarre hill to die on.

...those things are actually significant. Not giving the guy's business money can actually have an impact.

Magic football does not

 

[mr roboto]

Would you refuse to buy a stock if the company's CEO is a bad dude? Shop at a store who's manager is a bad guy? This is such a bizarre hill to die on.

Yes and yes. Bizarre that one finds this bizarre.

what is bizarre is you thinking that you only do business with good people. I would hate to go through your shelves and find all the products you purchase, then find out the type of people who either run those companies are manage the stores.Good luck insulating yourself from transactional arrangements with bad people.

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

Would you refuse to buy a stock if the company's CEO is a bad dude? Shop at a store who's manager is a bad guy? This is such a bizarre hill to die on.

Yes and yes. Bizarre that one finds this bizarre.

what is bizarre is you thinking that you only do business with good people. I would hate to go through your shelves and find all the products you purchase, then find out the type of people who either run those companies are manage the stores.Good luck insulating yourself from transactional arrangements with bad people.

I can't know everything about everybody. But, if I know a person to be unethical, I'm not going to reward that. I'll find someone else to provide the product or service. It's not like Ray Rice holds a monopoly on running the football well.

 

[Leonidas]

Would you refuse to buy a stock if the company's CEO is a bad dude? Shop at a store who's manager is a bad guy? This is such a bizarre hill to die on.

Yes and yes. Bizarre that one finds this bizarre.

what is bizarre is you thinking that you only do business with good people. I would hate to go through your shelves and find all the products you purchase, then find out the type of people who either run those companies are manage the stores.Good luck insulating yourself from transactional arrangements with bad people.

I can't know everything about everybody. But, if I know a person to be unethical, I'm not going to reward that. I'll find someone else to provide the product or service. It's not like Ray Rice holds a monopoly on running the football well.

How much money does Ray Rice receive when you draft him instead of somebody else drafting him?

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

Would you refuse to buy a stock if the company's CEO is a bad dude? Shop at a store who's manager is a bad guy? This is such a bizarre hill to die on.

Yes and yes. Bizarre that one finds this bizarre.

what is bizarre is you thinking that you only do business with good people. I would hate to go through your shelves and find all the products you purchase, then find out the type of people who either run those companies are manage the stores.Good luck insulating yourself from transactional arrangements with bad people.

I can't know everything about everybody. But, if I know a person to be unethical, I'm not going to reward that. I'll find someone else to provide the product or service. It's not like Ray Rice holds a monopoly on running the football well.

How much money does Ray Rice receive when you draft him instead of somebody else drafting him?

None. Which helps highlight how the CEO question is misplaced as it relates to Rice. I was responding to how I would patronize a business run by a bad guy. Just because I want nothing to do with the bad business owner and I want nothing to do with Rice in fantasy doesn't mean the two scenarios are somehow similar.

 

[Godsbrother]

Disgrace what the league did with this. Even worse the posters here discussing profit margins on a wife beater and trying to minimize the brutality of this act. Says a lot about each one of you who are doing this.

The moral righteousness of our society concerns me more than Ray Rice's transgressions. Americans show a lot more restraint in judging themselves than they do others. Throwing stones from glass houses requires a total lack of shame and humility.

And now back to our regularly scheduled programing.

I hate it when people look down on me when I punch out my wife and drag her unconscious body around.

 

[IheartGuinness]

We can all argue the decision on the penalty for Rice and it will get nowhere. However, one needs to realize that Baltimore has a FF playoff schedule of Miami, Jax and Houston. Pretty enticing schedule and worth adding Rice as a RB3 or even RB4 if you can as a potential playoff gem.

Yes, exactly. How soon would you pull the trigger in a PPR league?

Personally, I don't think he'll last long enough to be drafted as a RB4, despite the concerns. There just aren't that many options out there.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

We can all argue the decision on the penalty for Rice and it will get nowhere. However, one needs to realize that Baltimore has a FF playoff schedule of Miami, Jax and Houston. Pretty enticing schedule and worth adding Rice as a RB3 or even RB4 if you can as a potential playoff gem.

Yes, exactly. How soon would you pull the trigger in a PPR league?

Personally, I don't think he'll last long enough to be drafted as a RB4, despite the concerns. There just aren't that many options out there.

His ADP at MFL is RB25 -- and about half those drafts would be from before the 2-game suspension was announced. He's probably a mid/low RB2 at this point.

 

[cloppbeast]

His ADP at MFL is RB25 -- and about half those drafts would be from before the 2-game suspension was announced. He's probably a mid/low RB2 at this point.

For what it's worth, I just took him as the 18th RB at 5.01 in a startup. My team's wholesome image took a hit though.

 

[Winning IS Everything]

We can all argue the decision on the penalty for Rice and it will get nowhere. However, one needs to realize that Baltimore has a FF playoff schedule of Miami, Jax and Houston. Pretty enticing schedule and worth adding Rice as a RB3 or even RB4 if you can as a potential playoff gem.

Yes, exactly. How soon would you pull the trigger in a PPR league?

Personally, I don't think he'll last long enough to be drafted as a RB4, despite the concerns. There just aren't that many options out there.

Fair point. Most of my teams are deep keeper or dynasty though, so my thoughts were of trying to acquire him via trade on the cheap side. That may not be an option though after the suspension was announced.

In a PPR, I can see him as high as RB 18-20.

 

[Shutout]

We can all argue the decision on the penalty for Rice and it will get nowhere. However, one needs to realize that Baltimore has a FF playoff schedule of Miami, Jax and Houston. Pretty enticing schedule and worth adding Rice as a RB3 or even RB4 if you can as a potential playoff gem.

Yes, exactly. How soon would you pull the trigger in a PPR league?

Personally, I don't think he'll last long enough to be drafted as a RB4, despite the concerns. There just aren't that many options out there.

Fair point. Most of my teams are deep keeper or dynasty though, so my thoughts were of trying to acquire him via trade on the cheap side. That may not be an option though after the suspension was announced.

In a PPR, I can see him as high as RB 18-20.

I think that is still good value because I would say in the 14 games he does play, he should be in that RB 15-18 range fairly easily.

People are thinking about his dog year last year and MAYBE are overlooking the line issues and the addition of Kubiak. Say what you want, if Rice has anything left, Kubiak is the guy that will get it out of him, in spades.

 

[cstu]

CBS Fantasy Football ‏@CBSFantasyFB Jul 28

Lighter, quicker Bernard Pierce impressing at #Ravens camp: http://cbsprt.co/1n1cPmv

 

[jmo87usc]

Disgrace what the league did with this. Even worse the posters here discussing profit margins on a wife beater and trying to minimize the brutality of this act. Says a lot about each one of you who are doing this.

No one is discussing profit margins. It's more like earning potential. Go ahead and boycott him in fantasy football if that makes you feel good, but don't bash others for talking about him on a fantasy football site. I don't know all the facts or if Goodell handled it well or not. We may never know for sure. The fact of the matter is he will be playing 14 games this year and he will impact fantasy football. No one is coming here condoning domestic violence. Just trying to assess value for fantasy purpose. If you want to avoid it, then stop playing fantasy football. As much as you seem to think you are, you aren't doing anything to help battered women by tanking your fantasy season.

Since I am already paid into my league and I own Rice, I am curious as to what kind of production he might have. It affects how I build my team. I can separate real life from a game, so I will continue to discuss his outlook for the season.

 

[cstu]

MarkMaske ‏@MarkMaske 6h

Bernard Pierce in line to get early-season opportunity as Ravens' featured ball carrier... http://wapo.st/1tCGxFW

 

[Faust]

John Harbaugh: Ray Rice has 'burst' in Ravens camp

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000374329/article/john-harbaugh-ray-rice-has-burst-in-ravens-camp

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Disgraceful job by the league.

I don't know about you guys, but screw Fantasy Football for this guy.He is on my personal do not draft list, and I suggest a worldwide boycott.

I used to be a big fan, but he is on my hate and do not draft ever again list.

He should have been banned for one year by the league.

Outrageous.

good piece by the NYTimes here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/25/sports/football/a-penalty-for-abuse-is-less-than-for-steroids-.html?ref=sports

That'll teach him!

what he did was wrong. i could care less about what players get in trouble for if they can produce fantasy points at bargain. i love threads like these though because it allows me to see who the trolls are, and who i should just ignore based on their convoluted logic.

Well in that guy's defense, fantasy football is also supposed to be fun. So in that light, one may not want to have guys on their team that they don't want to root for or see do well.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

His ADP at MFL is RB25 -- and about half those drafts would be from before the 2-game suspension was announced. He's probably a mid/low RB2 at this point.

For what it's worth, I just took him as the 18th RB at 5.01 in a startup. My team's wholesome image took a hit though.

Just take Tebow in the last round to balance things out.

 

[LawFitz]

Tank-top undershirts aside, can we really trust Rice to regain top form this year??? Did they ever reveal the true extent and prognosis of his hip injury?

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

Disgrace what the league did with this. Even worse the posters here discussing profit margins on a wife beater and trying to minimize the brutality of this act. Says a lot about each one of you who are doing this.

No one is discussing profit margins. It's more like earning potential. Go ahead and boycott him in fantasy football if that makes you feel good, but don't bash others for talking about him on a fantasy football site. I don't know all the facts or if Goodell handled it well or not. We may never know for sure. The fact of the matter is he will be playing 14 games this year and he will impact fantasy football. No one is coming here condoning domestic violence. Just trying to assess value for fantasy purpose. If you want to avoid it, then stop playing fantasy football. As much as you seem to think you are, you aren't doing anything to help battered women by tanking your fantasy season.Since I am already paid into my league and I own Rice, I am curious as to what kind of production he might have. It affects how I build my team. I can separate real life from a game, so I will continue to discuss his outlook for the season.

We may not fully appreciate every aspect of the case, but this much is known: Ray Rice knocked his wife out cold. And, as I've said several times, it's fine to consider his fantasy value if that's an angle that's interesting to you, but don't minimize or excuse what he did or go the Stephen A Smith route of blaming women for being domestic violence victims, all to justify targeting him in your fantasy league.

 

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Proust Loves Cake.

83 posts in his first month.
58 of which are morally judging Ray Rice.

This dude's gonna be an invaluable member of FBG

 

[Bob Barker]

Didnt she marry him right after this? Its her own fault if she wants to be with a woman beater, I dont feel sorry for her at all, she figures being with a rich football star is worth a few beatings, her choice

 

[FBG Moderator]

Hey guys, there is already a thread for discussion of Ray Rice's suspension and the events around it. It's at http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=704076

Let's please keep this thread limited to discussing the football outlook for the Ravens RBs. Mentions of Rice's wife, domestic violence, or your views on either, should go in the other thread.

 

[LawFitz]

I've been wavering on Rice's 2014 prospects. On the one hand, he could be 1st round value as a mid-round pick, with Gary Kubiak now in the fold. On the other hand, he broke down last year after many, many years of heavy workloads, dating back to his college days. That fact is a huge red flag for me.

 

[higgins]

I've been wavering on Rice's 2014 prospects. On the one hand, he could be 1st round value as a mid-round pick, with Gary Kubiak now in the fold. On the other hand, he broke down last year after many, many years of heavy workloads, dating back to his college days. That fact is a huge red flag for me.

I don't know that he so much broke down as much as he had well documented hip problems and a half-injured OL.

What does concern me is that I've read that Bernard Pierce's college system was similar to Kubiak's zone blocking scheme -- does that mean he'll have a good leg up on Rice (even without the suspension) early in the season when the OL is slowly getting accustomed to the scheme?

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Bernard Pierce - RB - Ravens

ESPN Ravens reporter Jamison Hensley says Bernard Pierce has been the best running back at camp.

No one should be surprised. Pierce is just 24 years old, has college experience in the new one-cut scheme Gary Kubiak is installing and put together impressive rookie tape before last year's disaster. He'll be the unquestioned feature back for the first two games, and we wouldn't be shocked if he ran with the lead part of a committee even after Ray Rice comes off suspension. Pierce "has had the best transition to Kubiak's stretch, zone-blocking runs," per Hensley. Rice is more of a stutter-step runner who is losing his jump-cut ability.

Related: Ray Rice

Source: ESPN.com

Aug 7 - 11:12 AM

 

[cloppbeast]

Entering pivotal season, Ray Rice has 'looked really good' in practicehttp://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/...s-looked-really-good-20140806,0,1155806.story

“Ray definitely looks comfortable," running backs coach Thomas Hammock said. "I think it’s a system he’s familiar with, a system that he ran in college being a zone-type of back, and he can make quick, decisive one-cuts down field.”


"Ray has looked really good," Ravens coach John Harbaugh said. "Comparisons to years in the past, we’ll find all that out during the season, but he’s in tremendous shape. I’m seeing him make a good lateral cut. He has really good burst, acceleration is there,vision is there......He’s been very patient with the zone runs, which is something that I believe to be an improvement over the past [few years], even two years ago. He’s catching the ball well, pass protection has been very good. Ray looks really good.”

It sounds like Ray Rice has some familiarity with the zone blocked runs as well. Always double check the Rotowire blurbs.