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they will win between 9 and 11 games (gotta keep that non-losing season streak alive).they will win between 8 and 11 games every season
they will win between 9 and 11 games (gotta keep that non-losing season streak alive).they will win between 8 and 11 games every season
Ah, right. I'm still living in a 16 game universe.they will win between 9 and 11 games (gotta keep that non-losing season streak alive).they will win between 8 and 11 games every season
Similar quotes the last 5 weeks. I think austin is toast.So much focus on the offense, yet it's the defense that absolutely gets stomped on every single playoff game. The fact the plays haven't changed in the past 18 seasons tells us all we need to know.
“I’m just doing what the game plan asked for,” said Watt when asked about his role and why the run defense faltered in a big way. “That’s all I’ll say.”
This same D gameplan was giving up over 350 yards and 30+ pts even when Ben was here for playoff games.
Absolute trainwreck of an organization, pathetic.So much focus on the offense, yet it's the defense that absolutely gets stomped on every single playoff game. The fact the plays haven't changed in the past 18 seasons tells us all we need to know.
“I’m just doing what the game plan asked for,” said Watt when asked about his role and why the run defense faltered in a big way. “That’s all I’ll say.”
This same D gameplan was giving up over 350 yards and 30+ pts even when Ben was here for playoff games.
Tomlin will fire Teryl Austin and another defensive coach, and put Arthur Smith on notice (if he doesn't get another job), and that will their changes.Absolute trainwreck of an organization, pathetic.So much focus on the offense, yet it's the defense that absolutely gets stomped on every single playoff game. The fact the plays haven't changed in the past 18 seasons tells us all we need to know.
“I’m just doing what the game plan asked for,” said Watt when asked about his role and why the run defense faltered in a big way. “That’s all I’ll say.”
This same D gameplan was giving up over 350 yards and 30+ pts even when Ben was here for playoff games.
I know he is a #4 WR that they are trying to be use as a #2 WR, but I just don't see him as someone who should be guaranteed at having a roster spot next season. He has what, 2 big plays all season?Yes this year's scapegoat will be Austin.
He was referring to the D coordinator (not the receiver).I know he is a #4 WR that they are trying to be use as a #2 WR, but I just don't see him as someone who should be guaranteed at having a roster spot next season. He has what, 2 big plays all season?Yes this year's scapegoat will be Austin.
He has been a disappointment in my eyes.
Oh why I should probably scrolled up... Thought it was odd, that someone would think 3'11 Calvin Austin could be the scapegoat.He was referring to the D coordinator (not the receiver).I know he is a #4 WR that they are trying to be use as a #2 WR, but I just don't see him as someone who should be guaranteed at having a roster spot next season. He has what, 2 big plays all season?Yes this year's scapegoat will be Austin.
He has been a disappointment in my eyes.
Danny Smith was not revered early in Pittsburgh or when he coached in Washington. The Steelers have invested in special teams players because it was such a disaster for a few years, and then our ST improved greatly. (Also, hope we keep Corliss, he did great this year)Tomlin will fire Teryl Austin and another defensive coach, and put Arthur Smith on notice (if he doesn't get another job), and that will their changes.Absolute trainwreck of an organization, pathetic.So much focus on the offense, yet it's the defense that absolutely gets stomped on every single playoff game. The fact the plays haven't changed in the past 18 seasons tells us all we need to know.
“I’m just doing what the game plan asked for,” said Watt when asked about his role and why the run defense faltered in a big way. “That’s all I’ll say.”
This same D gameplan was giving up over 350 yards and 30+ pts even when Ben was here for playoff games.
Just wish we had 6 Danny Smith's on that staff.
Yes this year's scapegoat will be Austin.
Danny Smith was not revered early in Pittsburgh or when he coached in Washington. The Steelers have invested in special teams players because it was such a disaster for a few years, and then our ST improved greatly. (Also, hope we keep Corliss, he did great this year)Tomlin will fire Teryl Austin and another defensive coach, and put Arthur Smith on notice (if he doesn't get another job), and that will their changes.Absolute trainwreck of an organization, pathetic.So much focus on the offense, yet it's the defense that absolutely gets stomped on every single playoff game. The fact the plays haven't changed in the past 18 seasons tells us all we need to know.
“I’m just doing what the game plan asked for,” said Watt when asked about his role and why the run defense faltered in a big way. “That’s all I’ll say.”
This same D gameplan was giving up over 350 yards and 30+ pts even when Ben was here for playoff games.
Just wish we had 6 Danny Smith's on that staff.
The main difference is that DS is making the most of what he's got and it feels like Arthur Smith and Teryl Austin are not. The floundering defense and the weird usage of Mike Williams/George Pickens vs Pruitt/Jefferson/4th & 5th string WRs just felt like mismanagement.
I don't think you need to look any further than the talent on this team. Tomlin can be blamed for their lack of success to the amount he influenced these picks.
First Round Draft Picks
- 2024 - Fautanu - Injured
- 2023 - Jones - Jury is out but not looking good.
- 2022 - Pickett - Bust
- 2021 - Najee - Ok, but wasted pick
- 2020 - Traded for Minka
- 2019 - Bush - Bust
- 2018 - Edmunds - Bust
- 2017 - Watt - Stud
- 2016 - Burns - Bust
- 2015 - Dupree - Ok
- 2014 - Shazier - Injured
- 2013 - Jones - Bust
i hated the Pickett choice and said it loudly when it happened and ever since. That said, when I think of "setting the franchise back 5 years" I think you need to clarify what that means. I know we are all sick of the one and done playoff performances but when I think of a team that has been set back I am thinking of a bottom dweller for a period of time. The Steelers are slightly above mediocre but they aren't that.I don't think you need to look any further than the talent on this team. Tomlin can be blamed for their lack of success to the amount he influenced these picks.
First Round Draft Picks
- 2024 - Fautanu - Injured
- 2023 - Jones - Jury is out but not looking good.
- 2022 - Pickett - Bust
- 2021 - Najee - Ok, but wasted pick
- 2020 - Traded for Minka
- 2019 - Bush - Bust
- 2018 - Edmunds - Bust
- 2017 - Watt - Stud
- 2016 - Burns - Bust
- 2015 - Dupree - Ok
- 2014 - Shazier - Injured
- 2013 - Jones - Bust
Yes, this is bad. Said when we took Pickett, that the selection set us back 5 years potentially, and that seems true now.
My point is that I think Tomlin has done a pretty good job of winning more with less. There comes a point (the last 5 games) that the other teams are just significantly more talented. Sure, there are games they SHOULD win but don't, but you can say that about every team in the NFL.i hated the Pickett choice and said it loudly when it happened and ever since. That said, when I think of "setting the franchise back 5 years" I think you need to clarify what that means. I know we are all sick of the one and done playoff performances but when I think of a team that has been set back I am thinking of a bottom dweller for a period of time. The Steelers are slightly above mediocre but they aren't that.I don't think you need to look any further than the talent on this team. Tomlin can be blamed for their lack of success to the amount he influenced these picks.
First Round Draft Picks
- 2024 - Fautanu - Injured
- 2023 - Jones - Jury is out but not looking good.
- 2022 - Pickett - Bust
- 2021 - Najee - Ok, but wasted pick
- 2020 - Traded for Minka
- 2019 - Bush - Bust
- 2018 - Edmunds - Bust
- 2017 - Watt - Stud
- 2016 - Burns - Bust
- 2015 - Dupree - Ok
- 2014 - Shazier - Injured
- 2013 - Jones - Bust
Yes, this is bad. Said when we took Pickett, that the selection set us back 5 years potentially, and that seems true now.
Also while I agree the list above ain't great, Omar Khan is only responsible for two of them and those two drafts, taken as a whole, are pretty decent.
why would Tee Higgins come to play for that, when he can stay in Cincy or maybe go to NE, have a good QB, and maybe lose $1-2M on a $25M a year contract?
Tomlin with a lot of positive things to say about Fields -- including that he showed enough to begin in the pole position as a 17-game starter next season (subject to QBs available in free agency, draft etc.)
Tomlin with a lot of positive things to say about Fields -- including that he showed enough to begin in the pole position as a 17-game starter next season (subject to QBs available in free agency, draft etc.)
The standard is the standard. Ugh!
Tomlin with a lot of positive things to say about Fields -- including that he showed enough to begin in the pole position as a 17-game starter next season (subject to QBs available in free agency, draft etc.)
The standard is the standard. Ugh!
You prefer Donald or Rodgers, or QBs drafted above their grade?
I think specifically designing an O around Fields could be hugely beneficial.
I think it would have been this year instead of forcing Fields into the type of offense Smith was brought in for.Tomlin with a lot of positive things to say about Fields -- including that he showed enough to begin in the pole position as a 17-game starter next season (subject to QBs available in free agency, draft etc.)
The standard is the standard. Ugh!
You prefer Donald or Rodgers, or QBs drafted above their grade?
I think specifically designing an O around Fields could be hugely beneficial.
I think it would have been this year instead of forcing Fields into the type of offense Smith was brought in for.Tomlin with a lot of positive things to say about Fields -- including that he showed enough to begin in the pole position as a 17-game starter next season (subject to QBs available in free agency, draft etc.)
The standard is the standard. Ugh!
You prefer Donald or Rodgers, or QBs drafted above their grade?
I think specifically designing an O around Fields could be hugely beneficial.
Making the switch to Russ was applauded at the time and maybe it won an extra game or two. But in the end, I would rather have had them see what they had in Fields instead of stalling his development.
Then why didnt they?I think specifically designing an O around Fields could be hugely beneficial.
Gabriel, Howard, McCord, Dart
Please no no no. I watched him more than enough. Man what I saw, terrible.Gabriel, Howard, McCord, Dart
McCord's the only guy there I'd bother with.
Jaxson Dart I like. Can extend plays and I think he had the highest completion rate of all QB. Strong arm and nice touch.Take a day 3 draft shot if one of these should fall there,
Gabriel, Howard, McCord, Dart
If not, then wait for 2026 QB draft which will be a better one in my opinion.
I like Dart as wellJaxson Dart I like. Can extend plays and I think he had the highest completion rate of all QB. Strong arm and nice touch.Take a day 3 draft shot if one of these should fall there,
Gabriel, Howard, McCord, Dart
If not, then wait for 2026 QB draft which will be a better one in my opinion.
Was hoping Beck would come out instead of hit the transfer portal. Down year was more Georgia issues and an injury. Thought he could slip to us.
Why? This seems like the type Tomlin would gravitate towards.After watching Darnold tonight, I’m pretty sure we aren’t going after him
But you don't give Tomlin credit for beating the ravens consistently over the past 5 years? He's the big constant over the past 5.They've beaten Baltimore regularly for the past 5 years no matter who's been at QB. Old Ben beat them, Rudolph beat them, Pickett beat them. It's the nature of the rivalry, so to split with Baltimore was expected. And they didn't win that game because of anything other than a good enough defensive performance, Boswell being a stud, and Tucker missing multiple kicks.That's simply incorrect. They had 10-win team talent, especially with their defense and their early schedule as it was. They didn't win any games they shouldn't have won this year, but they lost games where they played flat against the Browns and a home game against the Cowboys. Happens every year.They might be. Might be close to it. But they're talented enough to be a 10 win team that's the least talented team in the playoffs. That's basically been the goal of the team for the past decade, and that's the style of team Tomlin coaches.Theres some perception that Tomlin gets more out of the talent he has than most would. That's simply not true. He's like a RB who can get what's blocked but doesn't get anything more than that, and sometimes he gets let's because his teams show up flat for games they should win. Its been that way for a long time, not just recently.Steelers feel like they are stuck in a cycle since Ben left. The roster has a lot of holes but a solid defense and Tomlin gets a 7-8 win team to 9-10 wins. They make the playoffs when they probably don't deserve it, then they lose in the first round to a superior team. They end up with the 20th pick which puts them in a bad situation to get a franchise QB. They fill some holes and runs the team back largely the same with the same results.
Given the talent the Steelers HAVE had, even over the past few years, that's what he is. His shortcomings as a coach are painfully obvious to anyone who watches them.
The Steelers might be the least talented team in the NFL playoffs this season.
Wilson was going to be good enough to help the team win 9 or 10 games. Fields might not have been, but neither was going to lead this team to playoff success.
What was awful last night isn't that the Steelers lost to a better team. Its that they had nothing. No spark, no energy. There's a reason why the Steelers have been outscored in their last 6 or 7 playoff games in the first quarter by a combined score of 80-0.
The fact that the Steelers were a 10 win team is a testament to their coaching, not their talent. They aren't winning games in spite of their coach, they win them because of him.
I agree with you about the QBs. I said the same thing about the QB situation in the thread talking about whether Tomlin should have gone to Wilson. Neither guy is good enough to win you a Superbowl.
They ended on a 5 game losing streak. OK, whatever, right? In 5 of the past 7 years, the Steelers have lost at least 3 games in December. When most good teams are improving and gearing up for the playoffs, the Steelers fade almost every year. This has been a problem for a long time, but people who only read headlines and listen to national media just have no clue.
Disagree. They beat the Ravens who are clearly a more talented team. Winning at Washington, now in hindsight was a game they could have/should have lost but didn't. Chargers were a nice win. Apart from Denver, I think Pittsburgh was the least talented team in this years playoffs.
The win in Washington wasn't flukey either. They have enough talent to beat teams like them, especially in the first half of the year. The losses to the Cowboys, Colts, and Browns? Those were ugly but predictable... happens every year.
The Steelers were likely the least talented team in the playoffs on the offensive side. Definitely not on the defensive side of the ball or on special teams though. They deserved to be a 10 win team and had the talent to be a 10 win team, but that gets you nowhere in the playoffs when teams have more dynamic and innovative offensive philosophies and aren't stuck trying to pretend what won in the 90's will still win today.
Awesome, they've beaten the Ravens in the regular season in a heated rivalry game. They were close matchups until the 2nd and 3rd ones this year where the Ravens won by a combined 31 points. Thats OK though, Ravens were the bettee team. Steelers fans were more upset about HOW they lost.But you don't give Tomlin credit for beating the ravens consistently over the past 5 years? He's the big constant over the past 5.They've beaten Baltimore regularly for the past 5 years no matter who's been at QB. Old Ben beat them, Rudolph beat them, Pickett beat them. It's the nature of the rivalry, so to split with Baltimore was expected. And they didn't win that game because of anything other than a good enough defensive performance, Boswell being a stud, and Tucker missing multiple kicks.That's simply incorrect. They had 10-win team talent, especially with their defense and their early schedule as it was. They didn't win any games they shouldn't have won this year, but they lost games where they played flat against the Browns and a home game against the Cowboys. Happens every year.They might be. Might be close to it. But they're talented enough to be a 10 win team that's the least talented team in the playoffs. That's basically been the goal of the team for the past decade, and that's the style of team Tomlin coaches.Theres some perception that Tomlin gets more out of the talent he has than most would. That's simply not true. He's like a RB who can get what's blocked but doesn't get anything more than that, and sometimes he gets let's because his teams show up flat for games they should win. Its been that way for a long time, not just recently.Steelers feel like they are stuck in a cycle since Ben left. The roster has a lot of holes but a solid defense and Tomlin gets a 7-8 win team to 9-10 wins. They make the playoffs when they probably don't deserve it, then they lose in the first round to a superior team. They end up with the 20th pick which puts them in a bad situation to get a franchise QB. They fill some holes and runs the team back largely the same with the same results.
Given the talent the Steelers HAVE had, even over the past few years, that's what he is. His shortcomings as a coach are painfully obvious to anyone who watches them.
The Steelers might be the least talented team in the NFL playoffs this season.
Wilson was going to be good enough to help the team win 9 or 10 games. Fields might not have been, but neither was going to lead this team to playoff success.
What was awful last night isn't that the Steelers lost to a better team. Its that they had nothing. No spark, no energy. There's a reason why the Steelers have been outscored in their last 6 or 7 playoff games in the first quarter by a combined score of 80-0.
The fact that the Steelers were a 10 win team is a testament to their coaching, not their talent. They aren't winning games in spite of their coach, they win them because of him.
I agree with you about the QBs. I said the same thing about the QB situation in the thread talking about whether Tomlin should have gone to Wilson. Neither guy is good enough to win you a Superbowl.
They ended on a 5 game losing streak. OK, whatever, right? In 5 of the past 7 years, the Steelers have lost at least 3 games in December. When most good teams are improving and gearing up for the playoffs, the Steelers fade almost every year. This has been a problem for a long time, but people who only read headlines and listen to national media just have no clue.
Disagree. They beat the Ravens who are clearly a more talented team. Winning at Washington, now in hindsight was a game they could have/should have lost but didn't. Chargers were a nice win. Apart from Denver, I think Pittsburgh was the least talented team in this years playoffs.
The win in Washington wasn't flukey either. They have enough talent to beat teams like them, especially in the first half of the year. The losses to the Cowboys, Colts, and Browns? Those were ugly but predictable... happens every year.
The Steelers were likely the least talented team in the playoffs on the offensive side. Definitely not on the defensive side of the ball or on special teams though. They deserved to be a 10 win team and had the talent to be a 10 win team, but that gets you nowhere in the playoffs when teams have more dynamic and innovative offensive philosophies and aren't stuck trying to pretend what won in the 90's will still win today.
With a really good QBMarv Levy lost 4 Super Bowls in a row.Didn't Tomlin lose 4 playoff games in a row with a HOF QB before these last 2?
This is the key for what those not emotionally invested in the team are not understanding.Steelers fans were more upset about HOW they lost
Below is an example of what the outsiders don’t see or recall about Tomlin. Now I know this is just one example but we as Steelers fans can pretty much unanimously agree that Tomlin has never been a good in game manager.
Playoff game against Cleveland about 4 years ago. Steelers had come back from being down 28-0 (and I believe 35-10) to make the score 35-23 with the 3rd quarter coming to a close. Steelers had the ball 4th and 1 at midfield and rather than doing the no brainer and going for it, he attempts to draw Cleveland offsides and actually takes the false start penalty! He then makes the decision to punt! This decision effectively ended the season for them.
Same thing this past Saturday against Baltimore when he punted on 4th and an inch.
In playoff games against good teams, this is why I’m confident he won’t win another superbowl.
Again, the 2017 roster was loaded on both sides of the ball and they were down at home 28-7 late in the first half, (familiar playoff theme of slow starts). Second half was Ben trying all he could to bring them back but the D kept getting stomped on, (another familiar playoff theme).
For those outsiders who obviously don't follow this team your opinion is based on the current roster and QB, and I get the point with the way it appears on the surface. The rest of us know the playoff failures have been relevant for a long time even when they definitely had a roster on both sides of the ball with a HOF QB.
Something with their approach needs to be altered or the results will be the same every year.
Yup, mistakes happen sometimes but that vaunted D couldn't stop anything.Again, the 2017 roster was loaded on both sides of the ball and they were down at home 28-7 late in the first half, (familiar playoff theme of slow starts). Second half was Ben trying all he could to bring them back but the D kept getting stomped on, (another familiar playoff theme).
For those outsiders who obviously don't follow this team your opinion is based on the current roster and QB, and I get the point with the way it appears on the surface. The rest of us know the playoff failures have been relevant for a long time even when they definitely had a roster on both sides of the ball with a HOF QB.
Something with their approach needs to be altered or the results will be the same every year.
In complete fairness to Tomlin, that first half against Jax had a lot to do with Ben’s mistakes putting them in that position. But still Tomlin did not do a good job.