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2025 BTSW Summer of Love Sign Up and Discussion Thread..... (2 Viewers)

swapped Stroud for Stafford
Can I apologize for taking Purdy? I need a swap out if that is possible. I read this thread after I took Purdy
its not a big deal and I made the switch for you....just not sure what the bolded means....?....I mean did you hit a wrong button or just change your mind and have buyers remorse after you hit submit...?...and what does reading the thread have to do with anything....just curious...
 
A player was identified as being switched different from what I saw on the emails, making him still available. That changed my player choice.
 
A player was identified as being switched different from what I saw on the emails, making him still available. That changed my player choice.
sorry I was just trying to piece together how the other things that were switched had you going from Purdy to Kraft as it doesn't seem to have a connection....but no worries
 
4.9 Courtland Sutton - took a bit of a hometown discount, but signed a nice extension so should remain the top target for an up and coming offense. The Broncos and QB Bo Nix struggled out of the gate, but gained steam through the season. I am not a huge fan of Coach Payton, but he does seem to get the best out of his offense. Sutton finished as WR 11 in this league a year ago and I got him as WR20 here. I'll take that. I see a lot of flex scoring coming from my WRs and love my trio of Jefferson, AJ Brown and Sutton.

5.7 Aaron Jones - waited a while on my RBs and it shows. Hoping that Jones is ready to begin strong. He teams up with Kamara, neither would be considered RB1s, but hopefully can get me RB2 scoring most weeks. I love KOC offensive play calling and efficiency over the past several years.

6.9 Stefon Diggs - I see him as the #1 target of the new look Patriots. I see him with many catches. His string of seasons with over 100 receptions ended last year at four, but he did have 47 over his eight games. He is already practicing without restrictions, so hoping he takes up where he left off and rebounds to at least close to the 100 catch mark.

7.7 Tucker Kraft - I think that the Packers will run a bit less this season, primarily that Jacobs always seem to fall off immediately following his big carry seasons.

Josh Jacobs rushing attempts by season:

2019 - 242
2020 - 273
2021 - 217
2022 - 340
2023 - 233
2024 - 301

While Diggs may not get 100 receptions again in a season 80 seems totally reasonable to me and that's great value where you picked him.

I think Diggs is going to help a lot of teams at his price right now. As I said would have picked him if I thought McCarthy would have still been there.
 
Added back to back QBs in the 9th and 10th rounds, QB20 Justin Fields (9) and QB21 Drake Maye (14) breathing a little bit easier now,

Bob Henry projects them as Fields QB20 and D Maye QB15, with FBG Consensus as May QB17 & Fields QB20. Mike Clay of ESPN has them as Fields QB11 and D. Maye QB20. I see them as an adequate pairing.
 
Added back to back QBs in the 9th and 10th rounds, QB20 Justin Fields (9) and QB21 Drake Maye (14) breathing a little bit easier now,

Bob Henry projects them as Fields QB20 and D Maye QB15, with FBG Consensus as May QB17 & Fields QB20. Mike Clay of ESPN has them as Fields QB11 and D. Maye QB20. I see them as an adequate pairing.
Maye was the other QB I was ok with if I didn't get McCarthy and I would have taken him with my most recent pick if he had been there.
 
7.14/8.02: A Brace of Warrens - I'll get to them eventually.

For now, @rzrback77 , Nathan Jahnke has Fields at QB9, and I winced when you took him, after I passed at the turn. I had long thoughts about stacking him with GWilson, as I'm one who's falling for the Ohio St. teammates narrative stuff. Guess it was wishful thinking he'd last through 26 picks.

7/8 was a tough turn, for sure. I had a slew of guys to process through for my 2 picks. Had to take my TE of choice at 7, speculating that GDCY was going to take 1. Well, he took two, although neither was #2 on my list, which posed my first conundum - double up, as he did, or go with another position player on my short list.

WR was somewhat picked over, but I had a target or 2. My juicy TE #2 survived GDCY's double, and there were QB's and RB's I liked. I have my own take on how things might play out in Pittsburgh. I like Kaleb Johnson well enough; I think he's a younger, more dynamic Najee...but when you bring in an older, less mobile version of Rodgers, I'd like to think the veteran, multi-faceted guy who's an elite-level pass protector is going to be involved enough to be a fine RB3.

...sure would have liked to have had 6 picks, rather than 2. Bass immediately selected Jayden Reed, who'd have made a great volume WR4 complement to Flowers. Ryheaps took Ferguson, who I'd have liked to complement Warren. Oz grabbed Lawrence, who was my #2 remaining QB2, behind Fields, 77 took Fields, TE's Henry and Taylor went around the far turn, and Dobbins right after. Not even close.

Yeah, Tyler Warren is a Nittany Lion...he's also capable of, and going to be, playing QB, RB and WR for the Colts, hopefully earning me a boatload of points.

1/3 through:
JAllen
Achane, Conner, JWarren
GWilson, Flowers, Ridley
TWarren

Well, it *is* a 15-Teamer. About time I picked again.
 
Added back to back QBs in the 9th and 10th rounds, QB20 Justin Fields (9) and QB21 Drake Maye (14) breathing a little bit easier now,

Bob Henry projects them as Fields QB20 and D Maye QB15, with FBG Consensus as May QB17 & Fields QB20. Mike Clay of ESPN has them as Fields QB11 and D. Maye QB20. I see them as an adequate pairing.
Maye was the other QB I was ok with if I didn't get McCarthy and I would have taken him with my most recent pick if he had been there.
I had planned to draft Maye, but decided Trevor was the safer pair to Caleb. There’s a good chance I’ll regret that decision.
 
Quick thought while I got a chance:


1.6 B. Bowers Went with what I believed to be the safest option. I see little chance he regresses, and a decent chance he he improves his numbers. Would have taken Lamb or Gibbs if they fell to me. Really saw no great value or reaches.

2.10 C. Brown An easy RB1 pick. So glad MOP went Irving. Great offensive opportunities. Best pick Bass…. Nico Collins, not a fan of the Hill pick….waiting for an implosion in Miami.

3.06 K. Walker Very good chance to be an RB1 if he stays healthy. Best pick Crippler with JSN. Nothing really sticks out as a reach, although the rookie RB picks are ballsy.

4.10 B. Mayfield Snipped by RZR with Sutton. Moved to secure a second tier QB. No holes in that offense, Mayfield should eat regardless of who he is throwing to. Only thing that sticks out in Nix, as others have mentioned.

5.6 J. Williams Time to get some WR’s. Williams the perfect WR1 in best ball for this team that faded them early. Liked the Rice and Flowers picks. Was hoping they would fall. No real head scratchers to me.

6.10 T. McMillen Lots of hype with this rookie. Would have taken Juedy if he fell a couplet more spots. I’ll role the dice that Tet can pop some WR2 scores.

7.6 C Godwin Really wanted Persall but Mr. I snagged him. I thought Golden would fall so I’ll take a chance with Godwins. Thinking he is out 2 weeks and then eased back in for two weeks. In trouble if he starts the season on IR. Not a fan of any GB pass catchers other than Golden, so not a fan of the Kraft pick.


8.10 K Coleman Second year player the talk of training camp. Easy WR3 with WR2 upside. Like the gutsy Fields pick. Kincaid will never be the guy until Knox is gone. He and Allen are BFF’s.

9.6 Q Johnson Wanted Dobbins here, Bronco grabbed him two picks before. I think Johnson will have enough spike weeks in best ball to be worth this pick. Best pick Dobbins, crazy pick, Vikings.
 
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9.14/10.02/11.14/12.03:

WR Emeka Egbuka
WR Christian Kirk
QB Cam Ward
RB Trey Benson

Went with a pair of WR at the 9/10...Egbuka is an investment WR, while I'm going to gamble that Kirk is my poor man's Jayden Reed. I debated Demario Douglas (who GDCY selected right behind me at the turn), and decided to go with what I felt to be the clearer of the two situations, as it seems the Pats are still trying to sort thigns out, while Kirk was acquired, paid and has a defined slot role in Houston.

Added my 3rd upside Rookie in my last 6 picks, making Cam Ward my QB2...considering how heavily I invested in Josh Allen, it probably wasn't the best idea to wait this long, as I'm expecting a massive weekly return out of the position, but Drunken Slob made quite the mess by going B2BQB in Rds 4/5, then taking his 3rd QB in Rd 7, before anyone had taken a 2nd. There's no way I was going to take my 2nd QB at the 7/8 turn, and after Fields and Lawrence went in the 8th, wrote QB off, with an eye towards Ward if he fell to a value spot. I have Ward's upside value ahead of the previous 6 QB selected, and with GDCY not having a QB2 either, I felt it was time. Not sure how much value the Cam/Ridley stack will offer, but I have it.

It was always in my plan to draft Benson, once I took Conner at 4.02, but not in Rd 12 of a 24-Rounder. Unfortunately, I felt compelled by the recent buzz generating...again, not sure how much value the Arizona RB stable will offer, but I have it.

Team Weird, through 12:

JAllen, CWard
Achane, Conner/Benson, JWarren
GWilson, Flowers, Ridley, Egbuka, Kirk
TWarren

Very seldom do I go Premium QB early in a Draft, but I wanted to see how things would play out when GDCY took Lamar at the 1/2 turn, if I followed up immediately with Allen, might it bring some value back by compelling others to follow suit. Only JD5, however, and if I'd known I could choose between Burrow/Hurts at 3/4, I'd have at least waited until then.

I'm not a 'reacher' by nature, but these silly 12 Team+ serpentine drafts kind of force it sometimes, and it makes me cringe a little. As it wasn't mentioned overtly at the outset, I'm going to guess some of us didn't immediately notice the Draft is a 24-Rounder, vs the more common 20, otherwise I wouldn't have been drafting QB 27 in the 11th Round of a start-1 League, while looking at 12 Defenses already off the board going *into* the halfway point.
 
9.14/10.02/11.14/12.03:

WR Emeka Egbuka
WR Christian Kirk
QB Cam Ward
RB Trey Benson

Went with a pair of WR at the 9/10...Egbuka is an investment WR, while I'm going to gamble that Kirk is my poor man's Jayden Reed. I debated Demario Douglas (who GDCY selected right behind me at the turn), and decided to go with what I felt to be the clearer of the two situations, as it seems the Pats are still trying to sort thigns out, while Kirk was acquired, paid and has a defined slot role in Houston.

Added my 3rd upside Rookie in my last 6 picks, making Cam Ward my QB2...considering how heavily I invested in Josh Allen, it probably wasn't the best idea to wait this long, as I'm expecting a massive weekly return out of the position, but Drunken Slob made quite the mess by going B2BQB in Rds 4/5, then taking his 3rd QB in Rd 7, before anyone had taken a 2nd. There's no way I was going to take my 2nd QB at the 7/8 turn, and after Fields and Lawrence went in the 8th, wrote QB off, with an eye towards Ward if he fell to a value spot. I have Ward's upside value ahead of the previous 6 QB selected, and with GDCY not having a QB2 either, I felt it was time. Not sure how much value the Cam/Ridley stack will offer, but I have it.

It was always in my plan to draft Benson, once I took Conner at 4.02, but not in Rd 12 of a 24-Rounder. Unfortunately, I felt compelled by the recent buzz generating...again, not sure how much value the Arizona RB stable will offer, but I have it.

Team Weird, through 12:

JAllen, CWard
Achane, Conner/Benson, JWarren
GWilson, Flowers, Ridley, Egbuka, Kirk
TWarren

Very seldom do I go Premium QB early in a Draft, but I wanted to see how things would play out when GDCY took Lamar at the 1/2 turn, if I followed up immediately with Allen, might it bring some value back by compelling others to follow suit. Only JD5, however, and if I'd known I could choose between Burrow/Hurts at 3/4, I'd have at least waited until then.

I'm not a 'reacher' by nature, but these silly 12 Team+ serpentine drafts kind of force it sometimes, and it makes me cringe a little. As it wasn't mentioned overtly at the outset, I'm going to guess some of us didn't immediately notice the Draft is a 24-Rounder, vs the more common 20, otherwise I wouldn't have been drafting QB 27 in the 11th Round of a start-1 League, while looking at 12 Defenses already off the board going *into* the halfway point.
I would have taken Ward but he's off the same week as Burrow.
 
So, this is the largest field of competitors in the brief history of BTSW (RIP), and while SOL might be the acronym for 'Summer Of Love', a more apropos expansion might as well be '5hit Out of Luck" as far as my performance goes. I had no idea it was this bad! Not that I like pointing out my failures, but, man...

Maybe an uptick of Teams will lead to an uptick in performance. :lmao:

2021: 7th place out of 13 Managers
2022: 11th/11
2023: No League...thank God?
2024: 12th/13 How often do you get the opportunity to finish both better and worse than the prior year?

That'd be me.
 
So, this is the largest field of competitors in the brief history of BTSW (RIP), and while SOL might be the acronym for 'Summer Of Love', a more apropos expansion might as well be '5hit Out of Luck" as far as my performance goes. I had no idea it was this bad! Not that I like pointing out my failures, but, man...

Maybe an uptick of Teams will lead to an uptick in performance. :lmao:

2021: 7th place out of 13 Managers
2022: 11th/11
2023: No League...thank God?
2024: 12th/13 How often do you get the opportunity to finish both better and worse than the prior year?

That'd be me.
Lucky me. I have done better than 1 owner. I am not the worst even though I have sucked at this league.
2024- 7th
2022 - 9th
2021 - 10th.

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Hey Fellas, apologies for cluttering up the Thread. I wanted to make sure you all knew about this, in case you wanted to join. We'd love to have you!

@Stinkin Ref
@BassNBrew
@rzrback77
@ryheaps2
@Duckboy
@nittanylion
@bro1ncos
@Maggot Brain
@OldMilwaukee
@Crippler
@Go DC Yourself
@Mr. Irrelevant
@-OZ-
@bicycle_seat_sniffer
@drunken slob
@Ministry of Pain
@Biabreakable

Over in the Shark Pool, they're revving up the 2nd Year of the Footballguys Bowl, a Free Mega-League Contest offered to Premium Subscribers, which started last year.

I have no doubt you all know what it is and what it's about.

Within the Contest, they set up Leagues dedicated to 100% Shark Pool regulars who want to play against each other for the first part of the Contest, rather than being randomly distributed across all the Leagues, and winding up in a League where you don't know anyone.

We're already kind of doing that here, with the comraderie we've developed over multiple Seasons.

There are only a few Footballguys Bowl *Shark Pool Dedicated Leagues*

@rzrback77 , @OldMilwaukee and I are in one together and @FootballDiehard (Bob Harris himself) is in it, as well as @barackdhouse , @apalmer , @Birdie048 , @miqws and @Scoresman . You have to admit, that's a pretty good, strong crew.

Draft Date: Tuesday, August 26, 10:00 AM

We need 2 (*two*) more to fill the League - surely some of you are planning on participating in the Footballguys Bowl, and would want to be in a Free League with some familiar faces?

@Joey Wright has opened it up to first come, first served to fill the final 2 spots.

Would be great to have a couple of you guys along for the ride!

 
Hey Fellas, apologies for cluttering up the Thread. I wanted to make sure you all knew about this, in case you wanted to join. We'd love to have you!

@Stinkin Ref
@BassNBrew
@rzrback77
@ryheaps2
@Duckboy
@nittanylion
@bro1ncos
@Maggot Brain
@OldMilwaukee
@Crippler
@Go DC Yourself
@Mr. Irrelevant
@-OZ-
@bicycle_seat_sniffer
@drunken slob
@Ministry of Pain
@Biabreakable

Over in the Shark Pool, they're revving up the 2nd Year of the Footballguys Bowl, a Free Mega-League Contest offered to Premium Subscribers, which started last year.

I have no doubt you all know what it is and what it's about.

Within the Contest, they set up Leagues dedicated to 100% Shark Pool regulars who want to play against each other for the first part of the Contest, rather than being randomly distributed across all the Leagues, and winding up in a League where you don't know anyone.

We're already kind of doing that here, with the comraderie we've developed over multiple Seasons.

There are only a few Footballguys Bowl *Shark Pool Dedicated Leagues*

@rzrback77 , @OldMilwaukee and I are in one together and @FootballDiehard (Bob Harris himself) is in it, as well as @barackdhouse , @apalmer , @Birdie048 , @miqws and @Scoresman . You have to admit, that's a pretty good, strong crew.

Draft Date: Tuesday, August 26, 10:00 AM

We need 2 (*two*) more to fill the League - surely some of you are planning on participating in the Footballguys Bowl, and would want to be in a Free League with some familiar faces?

@Joey Wright has opened it up to first come, first served to fill the final 2 spots.

Would be great to have a couple of you guys along for the ride!

im in
 
I would have taken Ward but he's off the same week as Burrow
Why should that stop anyone?

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As MeatLoaf likes to remind us ... Two Out of Three (well, really 5) Ain't Bad!

Wasn't interested in Frieirmuth or Gesicki, and missed out on Strange, but I regard Theo Johnson as having significant upside for TE29. Starting TE with no threats to his job, and not much preventing him from having a prominent role in the pass offense. Went for a double shot of TE love with this turn - I would have thought Elijah Arroyo would have left the building earlier....I'm not worried about AJ Barner...is anyone? Although a Rookie, his situation is similar to Theo's ... I don't regard JS-N as a 'true' Alpha WR1, Kupp has to prove to me he's got gas in the tank...Tory Hunter, MV-S...what?

Think I did OK for waiting so long to address the position.

JAllen, CWard
Achane, Conner/Benson, JWarren
GWilson, Flowers, Ridley, Egbuka, Kirk
TWarren, TJohnson, Arroyo
 
Fellas, Stinkin Ref has joined me, rzrback77, Old Milwaukee in the Footballguys Bowl League I referenced above in Post #177...

Nationally-recognized FF Analyst and OG Bob Harris is drafting and managing a Team in this League as well, and it includes some other Shark Pool regulars I'm sure you guys are familiar with: barackdhouse, Birdie048, miqws, Scoresman and apalmer ... we need one more to fill the League ...

It's free and part of the Footballguys Bowl Mega-League Contest

Drafting Tuesday, August 26, 10AM ... come on, you guys are some of the most long-time, active swimmers in the Pool ... I know the Draft time is unusual, but we're all in the same boat - I'm flying in from out of the country on a red-eye just prior to the Draft, but took one for the Team to help get the League filled.

It's going to be a blast, and a tough challenge vs some rock star Players. I know at least one of you guys is up for it.

@Joey Wright, I'm doing my damnedest to get that last fish in the boat!
 
So I was able to get in this way. Still might not be able to access it from my phone though. My phone is stupid.
is there something we can do to help....like maybe PM me your phone and I can text you when you are otc...?

at least then you could know you get to a computer in a timely manner if you can't do it on phone....also if you are in any of the Anarchy's maybe there is something you can figure out with your phone so that isn't an issue...
 
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So I was able to get in this way. Still might not be able to access it from my phone though. My phone is stupid.
is there something we can do to help....like maybe PM me your phone and I can text you when you are otc...?

at least then you could know you get to a computer in a timely manner if you can't do it on phone....also if you are in any of the Anarchy's maybe there is something you can figure out with your phone so that isn't an issue...
I can get in through the link in the first post.

Busy day.
 
Just FYI all - boarding a flight 5:30am tomorrow for the West Coast and then onward to Hawai’i, so I’ll be out of pocket nearly the whole day. I’ll set a reasonable handful of predrafts beforehand but apologies in advance if they get gobbled up. Either way I’ll check in as soon as I can.
 
Somebody needs to be sent outside to select a switch or else a big pot of honey.

Our train got off the tracks yesterday and our car ran out of gas. It’s like we decided to go hitch hiking on a deserted highway. Maybe Jack Reacher will come by and pick us all up in a motor home.

Or maybe Jack Ryan will come to our rescue. Does anybody have a Jack Russell?

It’s like Jill dirt he’s Jack and instead of a hill, we have to climb a mountain. I heard @BassNBrew is going hiking on some mountains, maybe he can come help Jack get up the hill.

It seems like we hit some quicksand, but I never thought that was ever found on hillsides. It’s like we ran out of jelly and now we are getting all gummed up on peanut butter.

We need some grease, maybe Jack Travolta will send up some greased lightning. Or Jack Nicholson will get out of his front row seat at the Laker’s practices and give us a pep talk. “You’re charging me with a crime? Are you going to ask me my favorite color? You can’t handle the truth!”

Maybe someone call send a message to Jack Cruise and his boys can accept a new impossible mission to get our train back on the track.

I think maybe @Ministry of Pain might have been part of the Jack Kennedy conspiracy.

Maybe Jack Benny just started climbing up the beanstalk and that is playing live on Amazon Prime and half our group got sucked into binge watching it and forgot to check in on the NFL Network.

Maybe Jack Eisen is returning to ESPN with all of the NFL network and all those jacked up screamers are going to get more NFL games put on screaming channels, wait I think I meant streaming channels.

I’ve lost my train of thought, I think maybe my mind got high jacked.
 
I checked yesterday evening around 8, 9, 10...
I was in the Shark pool posting back and forth

Last pick was close to midnight and I was asleep and then I have morning meetings, I apologize
I've tried to do the pre-select and it doesn't seem to line up for me, "working player list"
I don't use MFL, sorry the train has been stopping too often at my spot
 
I've tried to do the pre-select and it doesn't seem to line up for me, "working player list"
I don't use MFL, sorry the train has been stopping too often at my spot

@Ministry of Pain

Don't use the working player list in the "draft room".

Just go to DRAFT button right under the league name on the home page.

Scroll down to your next pick to where it says 'PREDRAFT' then click it...... then and select players to add to you que for that pick.
 
I've tried to do the pre-select and it doesn't seem to line up for me, "working player list"
I don't use MFL, sorry the train has been stopping too often at my spot

@Ministry of Pain

Don't use the working player list in the "draft room".

Just go to DRAFT button right under the league name on the home page.

Scroll down to your next pick to where it says 'PREDRAFT' then click it...... then and select players to add to you que for that pick.

Thanks! FWIW @Ministry of Pain I was just as flummoxed by predrafting in this new “draft room” as you were. Fortunately I got the OTC notification 3 minutes after stepping off the first leg of my flight so was able to handle it the old-fashioned way. 😀
 
I've tried to do the pre-select and it doesn't seem to line up for me, "working player list"
I don't use MFL, sorry the train has been stopping too often at my spot

@Ministry of Pain

Don't use the working player list in the "draft room".

Just go to DRAFT button right under the league name on the home page.

Scroll down to your next pick to where it says 'PREDRAFT' then click it...... then and select players to add to you que for that pick.
How long were we going to hold on to this information?
I had a better chance of finding the Ark of the Lost Covenant
 
I've tried to do the pre-select and it doesn't seem to line up for me, "working player list"
I don't use MFL, sorry the train has been stopping too often at my spot

@Ministry of Pain

Don't use the working player list in the "draft room".

Just go to DRAFT button right under the league name on the home page.

Scroll down to your next pick to where it says 'PREDRAFT' then click it...... then and select players to add to you que for that pick.
How long were we going to hold on to this information?
I had a better chance of finding the Ark of the Lost Covenant
I thought that everybody knew this, but well, I guess not.
 
24 rounds looks like a lot 🤔
It’s different… go deep… hit on a super sleeper… take 3 defenses or three kickers… take Shaduer…or Dart… have some fun…Sam Darnold and Juan Jennings went undrafted last year…what’s wrong with going a little deeper this time of year…maybe something you see in the late rounds here helps in a home league…
 
24 rounds looks like a lot 🤔
It’s different… go deep… hit on a super sleeper… take 3 defenses or three kickers… take Shaduer…or Dart… have some fun…Sam Darnold and Juan Jennings went undrafted last year…what’s wrong with going a little deeper this time of year…maybe something you see in the late rounds here helps in a home leagu

There’s nothing wrong with it. Just saying we’re going to go DEEP.
 
2 picks in for my PreDraft
Still a PIA as when I selected them it somehow manages to default 2 full rounds later...I'm trying to plug them in for Rd 16 and it's taking them for Rd 18...
It's a lot to navigate and put up with not to mention almost impossible to find without the map you all provided yesterday
 

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