2025 College Football Thread: Akron recruiter scoffs when player mentions maybe wanting to go to Penn State (23 Viewers)

[GregR]

If Texas had played another cupcake instead of OSU, would they be in the playoffs? If USC, like several of its Big 10 colleagues, had played three cupcakes instead of including Notre Dame, would they be in the playoffs? Or at least not decisively out? Is the playoff structure even further incentivizing schools to avoid marquee out of conference matchups?

Solely from a view of "do what's best to make the playoffs", I think whether a team should schedule top teams or cupcakes depends entirely on the team's situation with the rest of their schedule and how they expect they'll do.

It is a rare loss that is going to count as better than a win over even a cupcake. #12 team taking #1 to triple overtime in a dramatic hard-fought loss might be worth more than a victory against winless U Mass, might even move them up a spot in the rankings. But outside of extreme cases like that, the loss usually hurts you worse.

But the win against a good opponent is also worth a lot more than the cupcake win.

So it comes down to how you feel about the rest of your schedule. With how you think you'll be end of season with the opponents you faced, if you think you're going to struggle to get in, then you probably want to gamble on playing a higher echelon team even if the loss will keep you out.

A good analogy is a PAT or going for two. The PAT is worth half as much, but it's more likely to succeed. So you go for 2 when you think you need that extra boost from the additional point that comes with success.


That is just based on draconian only care about making the playoffs though. I think one could make good arguments that rivalry games and high profile games are of a benefit to the schools involved and to the overall sport, in ways that definitely should be included in the decision.

One thing I was thinking about today in relation to this.

Ask the same question but instead of Texas and USC impact if they didn't schedule OSU and ND... ask yourself about where are Texas A&M and Miami if you replace ND with Bowling Green?

A&M might still make the playoffs with just being a 1 loss team, but is Miami completely out of the conversation?

 

[Dr_Zaius]

Bama is now -3000 to make the playoffs. That makes me think they'll be ahead of ND tomorrow, and that ND has the most to lose in the event of a BYU upset.

How does that make sense? Does a loss in the sec championship not hurt them? They're not even a favorite to win that game.

I have to assume a loss in a conference championship game to another playoff team can't hurt them. They outright said so last year.

Interesting. Maybe that makes sense then. I can't see how they'd jump ND this week considering they struggled with Auburn. And there's still the scenario where Georgia, BYU and Virginia win; just one upset. You'd have to move them out at that point right? Someone tell me the odds of that parlay hitting. Could they still jump ND even though they lost? Fascinating stuff.

That’s why I assume they are going to have them jump ND tomorrow - that way it’s already done heading into conference championship weekend, and ND is that last team on the right side of the bubble. If your proposed parlay hits then ND is the odd one out.

Tomorrow they can say “Bama is the #1 seed in the SEC so we felt like their overall body of work warranted the move..” or some dumb bs. They’ll say whatever is necessary to fit the narrative they want.

For the sake of argument, if Bama gets boat raced they have to be out, though, right? They can say all they want they won't penalize a team for losing the Championship, but I don't see how you could logically put them in if they lose 40-0 or something crazy like that.

They should be out this year with any loss to Georgia because it's their 3rd loss and one is to FSU. Aren't we using this same logic to exclude Texas?

I don't necessarily disagree with leaving them out even with a close loss, although they do have several good wins. It's the -3000 implying they are a lock regardless of what happens that's absolutely bonkers to me. A three loss team that has just gotten blown out, lost 2 of their last three, and has a loss to a weak team seems like a definite out to me if you removed "Alabama" from their resume.

 

[Manster]

LSU is everything that is wrong with college athletics

 

[crushedspirit]

Changes are 100% needed to eliminate the subjectiveness from the equation.

As for Bama, it's an extra game played that others in the same SEC failed to qualify for, so unless they get steamrolled by Georgia they won't move them down to make room for others. Those in the top-10 rankings released today will be in the playoffs unless someone gets blown out to the point where it was obvious maybe they didn't belong there, which will cause the committee to take a second look.

 

[fasteddie_21]

Bama is now -3000 to make the playoffs. That makes me think they'll be ahead of ND tomorrow, and that ND has the most to lose in the event of a BYU upset.

How does that make sense? Does a loss in the sec championship not hurt them? They're not even a favorite to win that game.

I have to assume a loss in a conference championship game to another playoff team can't hurt them. They outright said so last year.

Interesting. Maybe that makes sense then. I can't see how they'd jump ND this week considering they struggled with Auburn. And there's still the scenario where Georgia, BYU and Virginia win; just one upset. You'd have to move them out at that point right? Someone tell me the odds of that parlay hitting. Could they still jump ND even though they lost? Fascinating stuff.

That’s why I assume they are going to have them jump ND tomorrow - that way it’s already done heading into conference championship weekend, and ND is that last team on the right side of the bubble. If your proposed parlay hits then ND is the odd one out.

Tomorrow they can say “Bama is the #1 seed in the SEC so we felt like their overall body of work warranted the move..” or some dumb bs. They’ll say whatever is necessary to fit the narrative they want.

For the sake of argument, if Bama gets boat raced they have to be out, though, right? They can say all they want they won't penalize a team for losing the Championship, but I don't see how you could logically put them in if they lose 40-0 or something crazy like that.

They should be out this year with any loss to Georgia because it's their 3rd loss and one is to FSU. Aren't we using this same logic to exclude Texas?

It's a bonus/reward for finishing Top 2 in your conference. If Alabama loses and gets left out of the playoff due to playing in a bonus game, that signifies the end of all conference championship games forever. Period.

How the **** did I end up defending an SEC team here? Jesus....

 

[crushedspirit]

Bama is now -3000 to make the playoffs. That makes me think they'll be ahead of ND tomorrow, and that ND has the most to lose in the event of a BYU upset.

How does that make sense? Does a loss in the sec championship not hurt them? They're not even a favorite to win that game.

I have to assume a loss in a conference championship game to another playoff team can't hurt them. They outright said so last year.

Interesting. Maybe that makes sense then. I can't see how they'd jump ND this week considering they struggled with Auburn. And there's still the scenario where Georgia, BYU and Virginia win; just one upset. You'd have to move them out at that point right? Someone tell me the odds of that parlay hitting. Could they still jump ND even though they lost? Fascinating stuff.

That’s why I assume they are going to have them jump ND tomorrow - that way it’s already done heading into conference championship weekend, and ND is that last team on the right side of the bubble. If your proposed parlay hits then ND is the odd one out.

Tomorrow they can say “Bama is the #1 seed in the SEC so we felt like their overall body of work warranted the move..” or some dumb bs. They’ll say whatever is necessary to fit the narrative they want.

For the sake of argument, if Bama gets boat raced they have to be out, though, right? They can say all they want they won't penalize a team for losing the Championship, but I don't see how you could logically put them in if they lose 40-0 or something crazy like that.

They should be out this year with any loss to Georgia because it's their 3rd loss and one is to FSU. Aren't we using this same logic to exclude Texas?

It's a bonus/reward for finishing Top 2 in your conference. If Alabama loses and gets left out of the playoff due to playing in a bonus game, that signifies the end of all conference championship games forever. Period.

How the **** did I end up defending an SEC team here? Jesus....

You're stating facts because that goes for any top-10 ranked team from any conference.

 

[Jayded]

If they’re going to have conference championship games and they will impact the playoffs, how do you let scenarios like Duke happen?

It’s so bad on the ACC that they put their teams in this position and it ripples from there. If they affect the playoffs, it’d be totally different if you knew the best two teams across the season made it into each conference’s championship game.

 

[Dr_Zaius]

It's a bonus/reward for finishing Top 2 in your conference. If Alabama loses and gets left out of the playoff due to playing in a bonus game, that signifies the end of all conference championship games forever. Period.

How the **** did I end up defending an SEC team here? Jesus....

It doesn't have to be binary, though. If the conference championship game on average helps the teams in it (say by allowing someone to jump from 14 to 7 with a big win) it would still be in the interests of the conference to hold it even if 5% of the time it ends up being a net negative. Trying to make it so the championship game is a positive doesn't mean you have to lobotomize the process by straight up ignoring what happens if it makes a team look bad.

It's kind of like the injury debate. I agree with those who think FSU got jobbed a few years back, but if you had some crazy scenario where Oklahoma's entire defense got hurt in a Ritz-cracker throwing contest it would be idiotic to not take that into consideration.

 

[Chadstroma]

LSU is everything that is wrong with college athletics

I will crack a smile every time they lose. There is no coach I dislike more than Kiffin and your statement rings true.

 

[Chadstroma]

Jared Curtis, 5 star QB, flips commit from Georgia to Vandy. Coach Lea building something.

 

[Moe.]

I like Sitake but he is basically a lesser version of Franklin. Penn State has ZERO recruits who are going to sign tomorrow. This might turn into a disaster for them.

I saw on a reddit conspiracy thread that Sexton is pissed they fired Franklin so he’s sabotaging their search.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Bama is now -3000 to make the playoffs. That makes me think they'll be ahead of ND tomorrow, and that ND has the most to lose in the event of a BYU upset.

How does that make sense? Does a loss in the sec championship not hurt them? They're not even a favorite to win that game.

I have to assume a loss in a conference championship game to another playoff team can't hurt them. They outright said so last year.

Interesting. Maybe that makes sense then. I can't see how they'd jump ND this week considering they struggled with Auburn. And there's still the scenario where Georgia, BYU and Virginia win; just one upset. You'd have to move them out at that point right? Someone tell me the odds of that parlay hitting. Could they still jump ND even though they lost? Fascinating stuff.

That’s why I assume they are going to have them jump ND tomorrow - that way it’s already done heading into conference championship weekend, and ND is that last team on the right side of the bubble. If your proposed parlay hits then ND is the odd one out.

Tomorrow they can say “Bama is the #1 seed in the SEC so we felt like their overall body of work warranted the move..” or some dumb bs. They’ll say whatever is necessary to fit the narrative they want.

For the sake of argument, if Bama gets boat raced they have to be out, though, right? They can say all they want they won't penalize a team for losing the Championship, but I don't see how you could logically put them in if they lose 40-0 or something crazy like that.

They should be out this year with any loss to Georgia because it's their 3rd loss and one is to FSU. Aren't we using this same logic to exclude Texas?

It's a bonus/reward for finishing Top 2 in your conference. If Alabama loses and gets left out of the playoff due to playing in a bonus game, that signifies the end of all conference championship games forever. Period.

How the **** did I end up defending an SEC team here? Jesus....

UGA might have had the best team in the country in 2023. They had won 29 straight games. But they lost to Bama in the SEC Champ Game by only 27-24 and got knocked out of the playoffs entirely. Leading to the forgettable Mich/Wash blowout championship game. Yet, the SEC still has championship games. Too much money in those to end them.

 

[Moe.]

Bama is now -3000 to make the playoffs. That makes me think they'll be ahead of ND tomorrow, and that ND has the most to lose in the event of a BYU upset.

I am really surprised there isn't more talk of Texas jumping OU or OU getting put behind Notre Dame. OU's offense is atrocious, like really really bad. I wouldn't complain at all if OU ended up on the outside looking in.

I was liking what I was seeing from OU early. I am not sure what went wrong with Mateer. I would normally wonder if he was just still not right after the injury but some of those throws were just plain bad decisions and whether he was not physically good or not did not matter. If Mateer is on then that offense can move... when he isn't, it looks bad.

Yeah, agreed. I think his hand is still bothering him so maybe he gets a pass on the accuracy but his decision making has been bad too. He is only accurate when he throws the ball as hard as he can - he doesn’t have a lot of touch.

Having said that he’s still OU’s best offensive player. The line solidified and is better but still just okay overall, and there is no consistent running game. Silver lining is that Mateer is likely to be back next year.

I’d be perfectly fine if Texas or ND makes it over OU. OU isn’t going to win it all this year, put them in a bowl with USC and let’s have some fun.

 

[General Malaise]

Bama is now -3000 to make the playoffs. That makes me think they'll be ahead of ND tomorrow, and that ND has the most to lose in the event of a BYU upset.

How does that make sense? Does a loss in the sec championship not hurt them? They're not even a favorite to win that game.

I have to assume a loss in a conference championship game to another playoff team can't hurt them. They outright said so last year.

Interesting. Maybe that makes sense then. I can't see how they'd jump ND this week considering they struggled with Auburn. And there's still the scenario where Georgia, BYU and Virginia win; just one upset. You'd have to move them out at that point right? Someone tell me the odds of that parlay hitting. Could they still jump ND even though they lost? Fascinating stuff.

That’s why I assume they are going to have them jump ND tomorrow - that way it’s already done heading into conference championship weekend, and ND is that last team on the right side of the bubble. If your proposed parlay hits then ND is the odd one out.

Tomorrow they can say “Bama is the #1 seed in the SEC so we felt like their overall body of work warranted the move..” or some dumb bs. They’ll say whatever is necessary to fit the narrative they want.

For the sake of argument, if Bama gets boat raced they have to be out, though, right? They can say all they want they won't penalize a team for losing the Championship, but I don't see how you could logically put them in if they lose 40-0 or something crazy like that.

They should be out this year with any loss to Georgia because it's their 3rd loss and one is to FSU. Aren't we using this same logic to exclude Texas?

It's a bonus/reward for finishing Top 2 in your conference. If Alabama loses and gets left out of the playoff due to playing in a bonus game, that signifies the end of all conference championship games forever. Period.

How the **** did I end up defending an SEC team here? Jesus....

UGA might have had the best team in the country in 2023. They had won 29 straight games. But they lost to Bama in the SEC Champ Game by only 27-24 and got knocked out of the playoffs entirely. Leading to the forgettable Mich/Wash blowout championship game. Yet, the SEC still has championship games. Too much money in those to end them.

Washington DID beat Texas to get to that blowout game....they didn't back their way in.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Bama is now -3000 to make the playoffs. That makes me think they'll be ahead of ND tomorrow, and that ND has the most to lose in the event of a BYU upset.

How does that make sense? Does a loss in the sec championship not hurt them? They're not even a favorite to win that game.

I have to assume a loss in a conference championship game to another playoff team can't hurt them. They outright said so last year.

Interesting. Maybe that makes sense then. I can't see how they'd jump ND this week considering they struggled with Auburn. And there's still the scenario where Georgia, BYU and Virginia win; just one upset. You'd have to move them out at that point right? Someone tell me the odds of that parlay hitting. Could they still jump ND even though they lost? Fascinating stuff.

That’s why I assume they are going to have them jump ND tomorrow - that way it’s already done heading into conference championship weekend, and ND is that last team on the right side of the bubble. If your proposed parlay hits then ND is the odd one out.

Tomorrow they can say “Bama is the #1 seed in the SEC so we felt like their overall body of work warranted the move..” or some dumb bs. They’ll say whatever is necessary to fit the narrative they want.

For the sake of argument, if Bama gets boat raced they have to be out, though, right? They can say all they want they won't penalize a team for losing the Championship, but I don't see how you could logically put them in if they lose 40-0 or something crazy like that.

They should be out this year with any loss to Georgia because it's their 3rd loss and one is to FSU. Aren't we using this same logic to exclude Texas?

It's a bonus/reward for finishing Top 2 in your conference. If Alabama loses and gets left out of the playoff due to playing in a bonus game, that signifies the end of all conference championship games forever. Period.

How the **** did I end up defending an SEC team here? Jesus....

I hear what you’re saying but it’s random tiebreakers that put them in the game. They aren’t one of the two best teams in the sec as the committee will show us tonight.

 

[Moe.]

The nested quotes in here are a nightmare - is it still possible to quote only the most recent reply in a thread?

 

[Chadstroma]

I like Sitake but he is basically a lesser version of Franklin. Penn State has ZERO recruits who are going to sign tomorrow. This might turn into a disaster for them.

I saw on a reddit conspiracy thread that Sexton is pissed they fired Franklin so he’s sabotaging their search.

If true then that is way too much power for an agent to have.

 

[ChiefD]

The nested quotes in here are a nightmare - is it still possible to quote only the most recent reply in a thread?

Yes.

 

[General Malaise]

The nested quotes in here are a nightmare - is it still possible to quote only the most recent reply in a thread?

On a phone, it's torture. Also sort of a pain to try and truncate them on a phone (for me, but I'm an idiot).

 

[Chadstroma]

The nested quotes in here are a nightmare - is it still possible to quote only the most recent reply in a thread?

On a phone, it's torture. Also sort of a pain to try and truncate them on a phone (for me, but I'm an idiot).

I'm an idiot too

 

[Idiot Boxer]

I disagree that Alabama and, to a lesser extent, OU are *locks* for the playoff, though I do think they're more likely in that not.

Alabama's positioning will be telling. If they are behind ND or Miami before the SEC Championship and lose, then they won't be getting 'punished' for playing in the game, but they can't play the championship game, lose and expect to jump ND or Miami. That's not punishment, that's status quo.

And I didn't see anything in the Iron Bowl that merited Alabama moving up ahead of ND where they were ranked last week.

As for ND vs. Miami, what hasn't really been mentioned is when the teams lost. ND hasn't lost a game since early September, have won 10 in a row in dominant fashion. Miami has 2 bad losses, but those bad losses were Oct. 17 and Nov. 1. Lucky for them, they've looked good since. If that SMU loss had been this past weekend, no one would be arguing for them to be in. By the same token, if ND's loss to Miami was in November and not the first game of the year with a freshman QB playing his first game on the road, no one would be arguing for ND over Miami. Timing matters in these things. Just ask 1993 Notre Dame who beat Florida State h2h but then lost to BC on the last game of the season.


Bottom line, one (or more) teams are getting left out that have a decent, but imperfect argument to be in. As I said previously, I think ND is a top 5 team right now. But if their 2 early losses get them, then they need to learn not to have 2 early losses. Same for Miami, same for Texas, same for Alabama, Oklahoma or whomever.

 

[Instinctive]

I disagree that Alabama and, to a lesser extent, OU are *locks* for the playoff, though I do think they're more likely in that not.

Alabama's positioning will be telling. If they are behind ND or Miami before the SEC Championship and lose, then they won't be getting 'punished' for playing in the game, but they can't play the championship game, lose and expect to jump ND or Miami. That's not punishment, that's status quo.

And I didn't see anything in the Iron Bowl that merited Alabama moving up ahead of ND where they were ranked last week.

As for ND vs. Miami, what hasn't really been mentioned is when the teams lost. ND hasn't lost a game since early September, have won 10 in a row in dominant fashion. Miami has 2 bad losses, but those bad losses were Oct. 17 and Nov. 1. Lucky for them, they've looked good since. If that SMU loss had been this past weekend, no one would be arguing for them to be in. By the same token, if ND's loss to Miami was in November and not the first game of the year with a freshman QB playing his first game on the road, no one would be arguing for ND over Miami. Timing matters in these things. Just ask 1993 Notre Dame who beat Florida State h2h but then lost to BC on the last game of the season.


Bottom line, one (or more) teams are getting left out that have a decent, but imperfect argument to be in. As I said previously, I think ND is a top 5 team right now. But if their 2 early losses get them, then they need to learn not to have 2 early losses. Same for Miami, same for Texas, same for Alabama, Oklahoma or whomever.

Oklahoma needed to not play Mateer vs Texas and not blow it against Ole Miss at home.

If we don't get in you won't hear me complaining. Unless Miami is in because then that's some BS.

Honestly I dislike Texas and would like to dunk on them whenever possible but they are about as worthy as we are.

 

[Chadstroma]

I disagree that Alabama and, to a lesser extent, OU are *locks* for the playoff, though I do think they're more likely in that not.

Alabama's positioning will be telling. If they are behind ND or Miami before the SEC Championship and lose, then they won't be getting 'punished' for playing in the game, but they can't play the championship game, lose and expect to jump ND or Miami. That's not punishment, that's status quo.

And I didn't see anything in the Iron Bowl that merited Alabama moving up ahead of ND where they were ranked last week.

As for ND vs. Miami, what hasn't really been mentioned is when the teams lost. ND hasn't lost a game since early September, have won 10 in a row in dominant fashion. Miami has 2 bad losses, but those bad losses were Oct. 17 and Nov. 1. Lucky for them, they've looked good since. If that SMU loss had been this past weekend, no one would be arguing for them to be in. By the same token, if ND's loss to Miami was in November and not the first game of the year with a freshman QB playing his first game on the road, no one would be arguing for ND over Miami. Timing matters in these things. Just ask 1993 Notre Dame who beat Florida State h2h but then lost to BC on the last game of the season.


Bottom line, one (or more) teams are getting left out that have a decent, but imperfect argument to be in. As I said previously, I think ND is a top 5 team right now. But if their 2 early losses get them, then they need to learn not to have 2 early losses. Same for Miami, same for Texas, same for Alabama, Oklahoma or whomever.

Oklahoma needed to not play Mateer vs Texas and not blow it against Ole Miss at home.

If we don't get in you won't hear me complaining. Unless Miami is in because then that's some BS.

Honestly I dislike Texas and would like to dunk on them whenever possible but they are about as worthy as we are.

Texas got better after looking like a absolute trainwreck early in the season. 3 losses and one being against Florida means they can't be considered for the playoffs.

I was impressed with OU early but that last game which I watched the whole game of, they looked absolutely the opposite of a playoff team.

 

[Instinctive]

I disagree that Alabama and, to a lesser extent, OU are *locks* for the playoff, though I do think they're more likely in that not.

Alabama's positioning will be telling. If they are behind ND or Miami before the SEC Championship and lose, then they won't be getting 'punished' for playing in the game, but they can't play the championship game, lose and expect to jump ND or Miami. That's not punishment, that's status quo.

And I didn't see anything in the Iron Bowl that merited Alabama moving up ahead of ND where they were ranked last week.

As for ND vs. Miami, what hasn't really been mentioned is when the teams lost. ND hasn't lost a game since early September, have won 10 in a row in dominant fashion. Miami has 2 bad losses, but those bad losses were Oct. 17 and Nov. 1. Lucky for them, they've looked good since. If that SMU loss had been this past weekend, no one would be arguing for them to be in. By the same token, if ND's loss to Miami was in November and not the first game of the year with a freshman QB playing his first game on the road, no one would be arguing for ND over Miami. Timing matters in these things. Just ask 1993 Notre Dame who beat Florida State h2h but then lost to BC on the last game of the season.


Bottom line, one (or more) teams are getting left out that have a decent, but imperfect argument to be in. As I said previously, I think ND is a top 5 team right now. But if their 2 early losses get them, then they need to learn not to have 2 early losses. Same for Miami, same for Texas, same for Alabama, Oklahoma or whomever.

Oklahoma needed to not play Mateer vs Texas and not blow it against Ole Miss at home.

If we don't get in you won't hear me complaining. Unless Miami is in because then that's some BS.

Honestly I dislike Texas and would like to dunk on them whenever possible but they are about as worthy as we are.

Texas got better after looking like a absolute trainwreck early in the season. 3 losses and one being against Florida means they can't be considered for the playoffs.

I was impressed with OU early but that last game which I watched the whole game of, they looked absolutely the opposite of a playoff team.

So you're in favor of standings over rankings then


Joel Klatt was on Russillo's pod and went through his "decide it all on the field" proposal and I gotta say I like it a lot better than the stupid rankings thing.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I disagree that Alabama and, to a lesser extent, OU are *locks* for the playoff, though I do think they're more likely in that not.

Alabama's positioning will be telling. If they are behind ND or Miami before the SEC Championship and lose, then they won't be getting 'punished' for playing in the game, but they can't play the championship game, lose and expect to jump ND or Miami. That's not punishment, that's status quo.

And I didn't see anything in the Iron Bowl that merited Alabama moving up ahead of ND where they were ranked last week.

As for ND vs. Miami, what hasn't really been mentioned is when the teams lost. ND hasn't lost a game since early September, have won 10 in a row in dominant fashion. Miami has 2 bad losses, but those bad losses were Oct. 17 and Nov. 1. Lucky for them, they've looked good since. If that SMU loss had been this past weekend, no one would be arguing for them to be in. By the same token, if ND's loss to Miami was in November and not the first game of the year with a freshman QB playing his first game on the road, no one would be arguing for ND over Miami. Timing matters in these things. Just ask 1993 Notre Dame who beat Florida State h2h but then lost to BC on the last game of the season.


Bottom line, one (or more) teams are getting left out that have a decent, but imperfect argument to be in. As I said previously, I think ND is a top 5 team right now. But if their 2 early losses get them, then they need to learn not to have 2 early losses. Same for Miami, same for Texas, same for Alabama, Oklahoma or whomever.

Oklahoma needed to not play Mateer vs Texas and not blow it against Ole Miss at home.

If we don't get in you won't hear me complaining. Unless Miami is in because then that's some BS.

Honestly I dislike Texas and would like to dunk on them whenever possible but they are about as worthy as we are.

Texas got better after looking like a absolute trainwreck early in the season. 3 losses and one being against Florida means they can't be considered for the playoffs.

I was impressed with OU early but that last game which I watched the whole game of, they looked absolutely the opposite of a playoff team.

3 losses is not a rule. It's made up nonsense by people that want to discount their actual wins and total resume.

 

[Chadstroma]

I disagree that Alabama and, to a lesser extent, OU are *locks* for the playoff, though I do think they're more likely in that not.

Alabama's positioning will be telling. If they are behind ND or Miami before the SEC Championship and lose, then they won't be getting 'punished' for playing in the game, but they can't play the championship game, lose and expect to jump ND or Miami. That's not punishment, that's status quo.

And I didn't see anything in the Iron Bowl that merited Alabama moving up ahead of ND where they were ranked last week.

As for ND vs. Miami, what hasn't really been mentioned is when the teams lost. ND hasn't lost a game since early September, have won 10 in a row in dominant fashion. Miami has 2 bad losses, but those bad losses were Oct. 17 and Nov. 1. Lucky for them, they've looked good since. If that SMU loss had been this past weekend, no one would be arguing for them to be in. By the same token, if ND's loss to Miami was in November and not the first game of the year with a freshman QB playing his first game on the road, no one would be arguing for ND over Miami. Timing matters in these things. Just ask 1993 Notre Dame who beat Florida State h2h but then lost to BC on the last game of the season.


Bottom line, one (or more) teams are getting left out that have a decent, but imperfect argument to be in. As I said previously, I think ND is a top 5 team right now. But if their 2 early losses get them, then they need to learn not to have 2 early losses. Same for Miami, same for Texas, same for Alabama, Oklahoma or whomever.

Oklahoma needed to not play Mateer vs Texas and not blow it against Ole Miss at home.

If we don't get in you won't hear me complaining. Unless Miami is in because then that's some BS.

Honestly I dislike Texas and would like to dunk on them whenever possible but they are about as worthy as we are.

Texas got better after looking like a absolute trainwreck early in the season. 3 losses and one being against Florida means they can't be considered for the playoffs.

I was impressed with OU early but that last game which I watched the whole game of, they looked absolutely the opposite of a playoff team.

3 losses is not a rule. It's made up nonsense by people that want to discount their actual wins and total resume.

Florida is one hell of a resume along with two other losses.

 

[Chadstroma]

I disagree that Alabama and, to a lesser extent, OU are *locks* for the playoff, though I do think they're more likely in that not.

Alabama's positioning will be telling. If they are behind ND or Miami before the SEC Championship and lose, then they won't be getting 'punished' for playing in the game, but they can't play the championship game, lose and expect to jump ND or Miami. That's not punishment, that's status quo.

And I didn't see anything in the Iron Bowl that merited Alabama moving up ahead of ND where they were ranked last week.

As for ND vs. Miami, what hasn't really been mentioned is when the teams lost. ND hasn't lost a game since early September, have won 10 in a row in dominant fashion. Miami has 2 bad losses, but those bad losses were Oct. 17 and Nov. 1. Lucky for them, they've looked good since. If that SMU loss had been this past weekend, no one would be arguing for them to be in. By the same token, if ND's loss to Miami was in November and not the first game of the year with a freshman QB playing his first game on the road, no one would be arguing for ND over Miami. Timing matters in these things. Just ask 1993 Notre Dame who beat Florida State h2h but then lost to BC on the last game of the season.


Bottom line, one (or more) teams are getting left out that have a decent, but imperfect argument to be in. As I said previously, I think ND is a top 5 team right now. But if their 2 early losses get them, then they need to learn not to have 2 early losses. Same for Miami, same for Texas, same for Alabama, Oklahoma or whomever.

Oklahoma needed to not play Mateer vs Texas and not blow it against Ole Miss at home.

If we don't get in you won't hear me complaining. Unless Miami is in because then that's some BS.

Honestly I dislike Texas and would like to dunk on them whenever possible but they are about as worthy as we are.

Texas got better after looking like a absolute trainwreck early in the season. 3 losses and one being against Florida means they can't be considered for the playoffs.

I was impressed with OU early but that last game which I watched the whole game of, they looked absolutely the opposite of a playoff team.

So you're in favor of standings over rankings then


Joel Klatt was on Russillo's pod and went through his "decide it all on the field" proposal and I gotta say I like it a lot better than the stupid rankings thing.

I am for taking everything into consideration.... otherwise just bring back the BCS computer which everyone loved.

 

[General Malaise]

Yeah, the BCS matchup between Miami and Nebraska (fresh off an 80 point loss to Colorado) was such a treat for the entire sports' world.

 

[Instinctive]

I disagree that Alabama and, to a lesser extent, OU are *locks* for the playoff, though I do think they're more likely in that not.

Alabama's positioning will be telling. If they are behind ND or Miami before the SEC Championship and lose, then they won't be getting 'punished' for playing in the game, but they can't play the championship game, lose and expect to jump ND or Miami. That's not punishment, that's status quo.

And I didn't see anything in the Iron Bowl that merited Alabama moving up ahead of ND where they were ranked last week.

As for ND vs. Miami, what hasn't really been mentioned is when the teams lost. ND hasn't lost a game since early September, have won 10 in a row in dominant fashion. Miami has 2 bad losses, but those bad losses were Oct. 17 and Nov. 1. Lucky for them, they've looked good since. If that SMU loss had been this past weekend, no one would be arguing for them to be in. By the same token, if ND's loss to Miami was in November and not the first game of the year with a freshman QB playing his first game on the road, no one would be arguing for ND over Miami. Timing matters in these things. Just ask 1993 Notre Dame who beat Florida State h2h but then lost to BC on the last game of the season.


Bottom line, one (or more) teams are getting left out that have a decent, but imperfect argument to be in. As I said previously, I think ND is a top 5 team right now. But if their 2 early losses get them, then they need to learn not to have 2 early losses. Same for Miami, same for Texas, same for Alabama, Oklahoma or whomever.

Oklahoma needed to not play Mateer vs Texas and not blow it against Ole Miss at home.

If we don't get in you won't hear me complaining. Unless Miami is in because then that's some BS.

Honestly I dislike Texas and would like to dunk on them whenever possible but they are about as worthy as we are.

Texas got better after looking like a absolute trainwreck early in the season. 3 losses and one being against Florida means they can't be considered for the playoffs.

I was impressed with OU early but that last game which I watched the whole game of, they looked absolutely the opposite of a playoff team.

So you're in favor of standings over rankings then


Joel Klatt was on Russillo's pod and went through his "decide it all on the field" proposal and I gotta say I like it a lot better than the stupid rankings thing.

I am for taking everything into consideration.... otherwise just bring back the BCS computer which everyone loved.

I believe that people believe that. It's just that I think it's worth admitting it can't possibly be true if we can't come up with a scenario where a 3 loss team gets in over a 1 or 2 loss team.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I disagree that Alabama and, to a lesser extent, OU are *locks* for the playoff, though I do think they're more likely in that not.

Alabama's positioning will be telling. If they are behind ND or Miami before the SEC Championship and lose, then they won't be getting 'punished' for playing in the game, but they can't play the championship game, lose and expect to jump ND or Miami. That's not punishment, that's status quo.

And I didn't see anything in the Iron Bowl that merited Alabama moving up ahead of ND where they were ranked last week.

As for ND vs. Miami, what hasn't really been mentioned is when the teams lost. ND hasn't lost a game since early September, have won 10 in a row in dominant fashion. Miami has 2 bad losses, but those bad losses were Oct. 17 and Nov. 1. Lucky for them, they've looked good since. If that SMU loss had been this past weekend, no one would be arguing for them to be in. By the same token, if ND's loss to Miami was in November and not the first game of the year with a freshman QB playing his first game on the road, no one would be arguing for ND over Miami. Timing matters in these things. Just ask 1993 Notre Dame who beat Florida State h2h but then lost to BC on the last game of the season.


Bottom line, one (or more) teams are getting left out that have a decent, but imperfect argument to be in. As I said previously, I think ND is a top 5 team right now. But if their 2 early losses get them, then they need to learn not to have 2 early losses. Same for Miami, same for Texas, same for Alabama, Oklahoma or whomever.

Oklahoma needed to not play Mateer vs Texas and not blow it against Ole Miss at home.

If we don't get in you won't hear me complaining. Unless Miami is in because then that's some BS.

Honestly I dislike Texas and would like to dunk on them whenever possible but they are about as worthy as we are.

Texas got better after looking like a absolute trainwreck early in the season. 3 losses and one being against Florida means they can't be considered for the playoffs.

I was impressed with OU early but that last game which I watched the whole game of, they looked absolutely the opposite of a playoff team.

3 losses is not a rule. It's made up nonsense by people that want to discount their actual wins and total resume.

Florida is one hell of a resume along with two other losses.

You don't have to be a tool in every conversation but you do you I guess

 

[Chadstroma]

I disagree that Alabama and, to a lesser extent, OU are *locks* for the playoff, though I do think they're more likely in that not.

Alabama's positioning will be telling. If they are behind ND or Miami before the SEC Championship and lose, then they won't be getting 'punished' for playing in the game, but they can't play the championship game, lose and expect to jump ND or Miami. That's not punishment, that's status quo.

And I didn't see anything in the Iron Bowl that merited Alabama moving up ahead of ND where they were ranked last week.

As for ND vs. Miami, what hasn't really been mentioned is when the teams lost. ND hasn't lost a game since early September, have won 10 in a row in dominant fashion. Miami has 2 bad losses, but those bad losses were Oct. 17 and Nov. 1. Lucky for them, they've looked good since. If that SMU loss had been this past weekend, no one would be arguing for them to be in. By the same token, if ND's loss to Miami was in November and not the first game of the year with a freshman QB playing his first game on the road, no one would be arguing for ND over Miami. Timing matters in these things. Just ask 1993 Notre Dame who beat Florida State h2h but then lost to BC on the last game of the season.


Bottom line, one (or more) teams are getting left out that have a decent, but imperfect argument to be in. As I said previously, I think ND is a top 5 team right now. But if their 2 early losses get them, then they need to learn not to have 2 early losses. Same for Miami, same for Texas, same for Alabama, Oklahoma or whomever.

Oklahoma needed to not play Mateer vs Texas and not blow it against Ole Miss at home.

If we don't get in you won't hear me complaining. Unless Miami is in because then that's some BS.

Honestly I dislike Texas and would like to dunk on them whenever possible but they are about as worthy as we are.

Texas got better after looking like a absolute trainwreck early in the season. 3 losses and one being against Florida means they can't be considered for the playoffs.

I was impressed with OU early but that last game which I watched the whole game of, they looked absolutely the opposite of a playoff team.

3 losses is not a rule. It's made up nonsense by people that want to discount their actual wins and total resume.

Florida is one hell of a resume along with two other losses.

You don't have to be a tool in every conversation but you do you I guess

I guess I am a tool because I don't see how pointing out that their loss to Florida is a massive part of their resume when you bring that up. And I have no idea how you take that personally. So I am me I guess.

And funny too when you are the one that stated "It's made up nonsense by people" which is much more of a tool statement than anything I wrote and I didn't even take offense.

 

[Moe.]

Called it - Bama ahead of ND

 

[Moe.]

This Yurachek guy has about as much charisma as my office chair

 

[Jayded]

Called it - Bama ahead of ND

Not surprised. Makes not a ton of sense unless it is a previous goof up.

Best reason I can think is A&M loss lessened ND’s resume.

Biggest oddity was not only zero punishment for Ole Miss but they moved up a spot after losing Kiffin. Feel bad for those kids, but not dropping them even a bit makes little sense.

 

[irish eyes]

It's a travesty that Duke or Virginia get in the playoffs. They both suck.

 

[Moe.]

Called it - Bama ahead of ND

Not surprised. Makes not a ton of sense unless it is a previous goof up.

Best reason I can think is A&M loss lessened ND’s resume.

Biggest oddity was not only zero punishment for Ole Miss but they moved up a spot after losing Kiffin. Feel bad for those kids, but not dropping them even a bit makes little sense.

Yurachek was asked directly and talked about the Auburn win and how that was enough to convince a few committee members. The most impressive thing is he was able to get through all that with a straight face

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I disagree that Alabama and, to a lesser extent, OU are *locks* for the playoff, though I do think they're more likely in that not.

Alabama's positioning will be telling. If they are behind ND or Miami before the SEC Championship and lose, then they won't be getting 'punished' for playing in the game, but they can't play the championship game, lose and expect to jump ND or Miami. That's not punishment, that's status quo.

And I didn't see anything in the Iron Bowl that merited Alabama moving up ahead of ND where they were ranked last week.

As for ND vs. Miami, what hasn't really been mentioned is when the teams lost. ND hasn't lost a game since early September, have won 10 in a row in dominant fashion. Miami has 2 bad losses, but those bad losses were Oct. 17 and Nov. 1. Lucky for them, they've looked good since. If that SMU loss had been this past weekend, no one would be arguing for them to be in. By the same token, if ND's loss to Miami was in November and not the first game of the year with a freshman QB playing his first game on the road, no one would be arguing for ND over Miami. Timing matters in these things. Just ask 1993 Notre Dame who beat Florida State h2h but then lost to BC on the last game of the season.


Bottom line, one (or more) teams are getting left out that have a decent, but imperfect argument to be in. As I said previously, I think ND is a top 5 team right now. But if their 2 early losses get them, then they need to learn not to have 2 early losses. Same for Miami, same for Texas, same for Alabama, Oklahoma or whomever.

Oklahoma needed to not play Mateer vs Texas and not blow it against Ole Miss at home.

If we don't get in you won't hear me complaining. Unless Miami is in because then that's some BS.

Honestly I dislike Texas and would like to dunk on them whenever possible but they are about as worthy as we are.

Texas got better after looking like a absolute trainwreck early in the season. 3 losses and one being against Florida means they can't be considered for the playoffs.

I was impressed with OU early but that last game which I watched the whole game of, they looked absolutely the opposite of a playoff team.

3 losses is not a rule. It's made up nonsense by people that want to discount their actual wins and total resume.

Florida is one hell of a resume along with two other losses.

You don't have to be a tool in every conversation but you do you I guess

I guess I am a tool because I don't see how pointing out that their loss to Florida is a massive part of their resume when you bring that up. And I have no idea how you take that personally. So I am me I guess.

And funny too when you are the one that stated "It's made up nonsense by people" which is much more of a tool statement than anything I wrote and I didn't even take offense.

Okay you got me. More wins equals a better team. So you agree that JMU, BYU, and North Texas should be ranked ahead of Notre Dame? They have 1 loss and ND has 2 losses.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Called it - Bama ahead of ND

Pretty much locks Bama into the playoffs even with a loss. If BYU beats Texas Tech, looks like Notre Dame is out. If Texas Tech beats BYU, does Miami move ahead of BYU and then would the head to head with Notre Dame matter since they would be back to back? If so, Notre Dame is pretty much out.

 

[Moe.]

Yeah - I kinda think ND is gonna be out. They should probably join a conference so they can get better games late in the season (Please don’t respond I am just kidding)

 

[Jayded]

Called it - Bama ahead of ND

Pretty much locks Bama into the playoffs even with a loss. If BYU beats Texas Tech, looks like Notre Dame is out. If Texas Tech beats BYU, does Miami move ahead of BYU and then would the head to head with Notre Dame matter since they would be back to back? If so, Notre Dame is pretty much out.

I still think it can happen, assuming Tech beats BYU, but it wouldn’t make sense to.

For two weeks they’ve said Miami is in the same tier as ND and ranked them 2 or 3 slots behind them. To sudden flip that if BYU is removed would be an odd move since both are done playing.

Again, I wouldn’t argue if they think Miami belongs in. I’d disagree, but understand. If they do it next week, they’re not being truthful to what they’ve been doing thus far.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Called it - Bama ahead of ND

Pretty much locks Bama into the playoffs even with a loss. If BYU beats Texas Tech, looks like Notre Dame is out. If Texas Tech beats BYU, does Miami move ahead of BYU and then would the head to head with Notre Dame matter since they would be back to back? If so, Notre Dame is pretty much out.

I still think it can happen, assuming Tech beats BYU, but it wouldn’t make sense to.

For two weeks they’ve said Miami is in the same tier as ND and ranked them 2 or 3 slots behind them. To sudden flip that if BYU is removed would be an odd move since both are done playing.

Again, I wouldn’t argue if they think Miami belongs in. I’d disagree, but understand. If they do it next week, they’re not being truthful to what they’ve been doing thus far.

I don't remember previous examples but someone like Baylor won a game the week before final rankings by like 50 and dropped. I don't remember the mental gymnastics that were given it just seemed odd.

I didn't realize Yurachek said ND and Miami were in the same tier. Two weeks ago he was talking about Miami needing to get into ND's tier for the H2H to come into play.

 

[Moe.]

Sitake is staying at BYU. Blessing in disguise for PSU imo

 

[Jayded]

Called it - Bama ahead of ND

Pretty much locks Bama into the playoffs even with a loss. If BYU beats Texas Tech, looks like Notre Dame is out. If Texas Tech beats BYU, does Miami move ahead of BYU and then would the head to head with Notre Dame matter since they would be back to back? If so, Notre Dame is pretty much out.

I still think it can happen, assuming Tech beats BYU, but it wouldn’t make sense to.

For two weeks they’ve said Miami is in the same tier as ND and ranked them 2 or 3 slots behind them. To sudden flip that if BYU is removed would be an odd move since both are done playing.

Again, I wouldn’t argue if they think Miami belongs in. I’d disagree, but understand. If they do it next week, they’re not being truthful to what they’ve been doing thus far.

I don't remember previous examples but someone like Baylor won a game the week before final rankings by like 50 and dropped. I don't remember the mental gymnastics that were given it just seemed odd.

I didn't realize Yurachek said ND and Miami were in the same tier. Two weeks ago he was talking about Miami needing to get into ND's tier for the H2H to come into play.

Yeah it was 3 weeks ago he said separate tiers. Starting last week he said they were in the same tier and it was Bama, ND, BYU, and Miami in the same tier. Looks to be the same this week as well.

Once they dropped Utah lower is when Miami entered the same tier.

 

[Sparky Polastri]

The rep for the committee said they would rerank the whole top 25 after next week's games. Makes absolutely no sense other than to show they will pick whoever they want.

 

[Yo Mama]

I still think the committee should only release one set of rankings after the conference championships.

 

[NutterButter]

Bama is now -3000 to make the playoffs. That makes me think they'll be ahead of ND tomorrow, and that ND has the most to lose in the event of a BYU upset.

How does that make sense? Does a loss in the sec championship not hurt them? They're not even a favorite to win that game.

I have to assume a loss in a conference championship game to another playoff team can't hurt them. They outright said so last year.

Interesting. Maybe that makes sense then. I can't see how they'd jump ND this week considering they struggled with Auburn. And there's still the scenario where Georgia, BYU and Virginia win; just one upset. You'd have to move them out at that point right? Someone tell me the odds of that parlay hitting. Could they still jump ND even though they lost? Fascinating stuff.

That’s why I assume they are going to have them jump ND tomorrow - that way it’s already done heading into conference championship weekend, and ND is that last team on the right side of the bubble. If your proposed parlay hits then ND is the odd one out.

Tomorrow they can say “Bama is the #1 seed in the SEC so we felt like their overall body of work warranted the move..” or some dumb bs. They’ll say whatever is necessary to fit the narrative they want.

Well done my friend

 

[Capella]

Called it - Bama ahead of ND

They had to make sure the SEC CG loser didn’t get left out in case BYU wins.

 

[Moe.]

The rep for the committee said they would rerank the whole top 25 after next week's games. Makes absolutely no sense other than to show they will pick whoever they want.

Isn’t that how it should be though? The last one is the only one that matters. They do themselves a disservice with this weekly show because everyone gets the wrong impression, but they need stuff for TV. They should not concern themselves with week to week movement or feel the need to justify it.

I’m not gonna lie I chuckle to myself every time someone uses the word “precedent” when they talk about this process. McIlroy did it a bunch of times tonight. It’s just a bunch of old dudes in a room talking. If they had to worry about decisions made in previous years and how that applies to this year they would all die in that room and we’d never get to watch any games. It’s all made up. Thats the point of a committee. There are no rules other than it’s 12 teams and they have to put 5 conference champs in.

 

[Capella]

Sitake is staying at BYU. Blessing in disguise for PSU imo

Blessing? Signing day is tomorrow and they don’t have a coach. Chances are they aren’t getting anybody who was high on any list. They’ve set their program back multiple years.

 

[Moe.]

Called it - Bama ahead of ND

They had to make sure the SEC CG loser didn’t get left out in case BYU wins.

Nah man it was that super gutsy 4th down call by DeBoer that did it. Stuff like that can’t be ignored