2025 Detroit Lions: 0-0 Getting ready for camp. (16 Viewers)

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I think they beat SD week1 easily.

need to come to ford field at 1-1.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Couple surprises: 2 QBs, Ross cut, Winn cut, Webster out one season after being a 4th rounder.

Quarterbacks (2) -- Matthew Stafford, Dan Orlovsky

Out: Kellen Moore

Tailbacks (5) -- Joique Bell, Ameer Abdullah, Theo Riddick, Zach Zenner, Michael Burton

Out: George Winn, Emil Igwenagu

Receivers (5) -- Calvin Johnson, Golden Tate, Corey Fuller, Lance Moore, TJ Jones

Out: Jeremy Ross

Tight ends (3) -- Eric Ebron, Brandon Pettigrew, Timothy Wright

Out: Joseph Fauria, Casey Pierce

Offensive line (9) -- Riley Reiff, Laken Tomlinson, Travis Swanson, Larry Warford, Cornelius Lucas, Manny Ramirez, LaAdrian Waddle, Taylor Boggs, Corey Robinson

Out: Xavier Proctor, Al Bond, Torrian Wilson, Braxton Cave, Joe Madsen

Defensive line (9) -- Ezekiel Ansah, Jason Jones, Devin Taylor, Darryl Tapp, Phillip Hunt, Haloti Ngata, Caraun Reid, Tyrunn Walker, Gabe Wright

Out: Larry Webster, Kerry Hyder, Jerel Worthy, Jermelle Cudjo

Linebackers (7) -- DeAndre Levy, Stephen Tulloch, Tahir Whitehead, Josh Bynes, Kyle Van Noy, Travis Lewis, Brandon Copeland

Out: Julian Stanford

Defensive backs (10) -- Darius Slay, Rashean Mathis, Josh Wilson, Nevin Lawson, Quandre Diggs, Alex Carter, Glover Quin, James Ihedigbo, Isa Abdul-Quddus, Don Carey

Out: Crezdon Butler, Isaiah Johnson, Nate Ness, Brian Suite

Specialists (3) -- Matt Prater, Sam Martin, Don Muhlbach

Out: None

Injured reserve (2): WR Greg Salas, DE Corey Wootten

 

[TartanLion]

I'm just glad Jeremy Ross is gone now. Always got a boneheaded play in him and he was just so ordinary as a punt/KO returner with no explosive qualities. I'll take the better speed of Jones with the potential higher ceiling if we can develop him further.

Shame there wasn't room for Cudjo.

Feeling a bit more optimistic about the season, but still think playoffs will be tough to get to.

Feel pretty confident that we'll beat San Diego

 

[BobbyLayne]

Matthew Stafford 0-18 on the road against teams which finished the regular season with a winning record, including playoff games. He is 3-32 in all games against teams finishing with a winning record, including playoffs.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Matthew Stafford 0-18 on the road against teams which finished the regular season with a winning record, including playoff games. He is 3-32 in all games against teams finishing with a winning record, including playoffs.

Well at the end of the year thd chargers wont make the playoffs. Personally i think the chargers def has no chance of slowing down tate calvin and ameer. Hell start ebron too

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Matthew Stafford 0-18 on the road against teams which finished the regular season with a winning record, including playoff games. He is 3-32 in all games against teams finishing with a winning record, including playoffs.

Well at the end of the year thd chargers wont make the playoffs. Personally i think the chargers def has no chance of slowing down tate calvin and ameer. Hell start ebron too

Could all very well be true.

A little worried about lions defense with key injury to Levy on the road.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I'm just glad Jeremy Ross is gone now. Always got a boneheaded play in him and he was just so ordinary as a punt/KO returner with no explosive qualities. I'll take the better speed of Jones with the potential higher ceiling if we can develop him further.

Never liked Ross, always thought they could use an upgrade there on ST just to help out with field position.

 

[LawFitz]

Stevie Johnson gonna abuse Josh Wilson tomorrow. Amirite?

(Lions still win tho)

 

[matuski]

Is Warford out?

That will hurt.

 

[TartanLion]

Warford and Waddle's ongoing fitness issues are becoming a bit of a pain in the ###

 

[BobbyLayne]

Woodhead concerns me with Levy out. Has to be a big dropoff to Bynes.

 

[Ilov80s]

Not happy with the injuries to start the year. Those are key guys. Being healthy in the right spots is 50% of being successful in the NFL.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Not happy with the injuries to start the year. Those are key guys. Being healthy in the right spots is 50% of being successful in the NFL.

Stafford had a career high in sacks last year & the running game struggled the first half of the year. Anxious to see LG Laken Tomlinson in action.

 

[Da Guru]

Not happy with the injuries to start the year. Those are key guys. Being healthy in the right spots is 50% of being successful in the NFL.

Stafford had a career high in sacks last year & the running game struggled the first half of the year. Anxious to see LG Laken Tomlinson in action.

Laken did not play well. The whole O-line looks in shambles.

 

[Seekay]

Is the problem the Offensive Line or Stafford inability to make presnap reads and adjustments???? At times he looks like a rookie.

 

[lod01]

Is the problem the Offensive Line or Stafford inability to make presnap reads and adjustments???? At times he looks like a rookie.

Both along with terrible coaching.

 

[Seekay]

Is the problem the Offensive Line or Stafford inability to make presnap reads and adjustments???? At times he looks like a rookie.

Both along with terrible coaching.

I agree watching the Falcons move Juilo Jones around. Throwing short, medium passes. Anything to get the ball in his hands. I think the Lions have given up on trying to do that for Calvin.

 

[Ilov80s]

Is the problem the Offensive Line or Stafford inability to make presnap reads and adjustments???? At times he looks like a rookie.

Both along with terrible coaching.

I agree watching the Falcons move Juilo Jones around. Throwing short, medium passes. Anything to get the ball in his hands. I think the Lions have given up on trying to do that for Calvin.

I miss Linehan. Lombardi has not impressed me at all.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Pro Football Focus:

Detroit Lions– Despite a fast start that resulted in an 18-point lead in the second quarter, the Lions couldn’t take advantage as the offense stalled in the second half. That was in part due to a lack of downfield passing; QB Matthew Stafford (-0.6) completed only three of his 10 passes thrown more than 1o yards downfield, and he especially struggled to connect with his top receiver, Calvin Johnson (0.9), who finished the game with only two receptions. Pressure was also a factor, as Stafford faced heat on 38.7 percent of his drop

backs (only five QBs saw more frequent pressure on Sunday) with a -1.0 grade and 37.5 accuracy percentage on those plays.

– Defensively, the Lions limited the Chargers to 3.2 yards per carry on the ground, a good result considering the offseason departure of tackles Ndamukong Suh and Nick Fairley. DT Haloti Ngata (0.0) was double-teamed often and proved difficult to move, while another offseason addition, DT Tyrunn Walker (+1.8), put forth an impressive display after two seasons of good production in limited snaps with the Saints. Walker logged a career-high 57 snaps, collected seven pressures, and frequently squeezed the pocket with effective bull rushes against Chargers’ LG Orlando Franklin (-0.6) and C Chris Watt (-6.8).

– His fourth quarter fumble aside, rookie RB Ameer Abdullah (+0.4) provided a solid outing for the Lions (94 yards on just 11 touches). Check out 10:53 of the first quarter and 9:21 of the third quarter for his best plays. It will be interesting to see how the Lions continue to get him the ball going forward.

Top Performers:

LB Josh Bynes (+2.2)

DE Jason Jones (+1.8)

DT Tyrunn Walker (+1.8)

DE Phillip Hunt (+1.7)

RG Manuel Ramirez (+1.6)

 

[thatguythere]

Is the problem the Offensive Line or Stafford inability to make presnap reads and adjustments???? At times he looks like a rookie.

Both along with terrible coaching.

I agree watching the Falcons move Juilo Jones around. Throwing short, medium passes. Anything to get the ball in his hands. I think the Lions have given up on trying to do that for Calvin.

You'd think Calvin was 38 years old and can't get open any more. It really is pathetic. We finally have a 2nd receiver (we have been talking about this for years) and now we can't get Calvin the ball, at all? What a pitiful start to the season. The Tiger's season was hard enough to take, now we have to deal with this. Well, I guess there's always the Pistons.....

 

[BobbyLayne]

After watching the Vikings last night I'm hopeful about week 2.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Matthew Stafford 0-18 on the road against teams which finished the regular season with a winning record, including playoff games. He is 3-32 in all games against teams finishing with a winning record, including playoffs.

Well at the end of the year thd chargers wont make the playoffs. Personally i think the chargers def has no chance of slowing down tate calvin and ameer. Hell start ebron too

oof, geez, I cant believe Matty cant get Calvin the ball, they need to force it to him.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Matthew Stafford 0-18 on the road against teams which finished the regular season with a winning record, including playoff games. He is 3-32 in all games against teams finishing with a winning record, including playoffs.

Well at the end of the year thd chargers wont make the playoffs. Personally i think the chargers def has no chance of slowing down tate calvin and ameer. Hell start ebron too

oof, geez, I cant believe Matty cant get Calvin the ball, they need to force it to him.

It's inexplicable.

I also think it's time to take the training wheels off Ebron. He caught the early TD and then had nothing until the garbage time drive after they had given up 30 straight.

Just ridiculous this team only ran 47 plays. The O-line has to step it up the next two weeks - crucial matchups if they're serious about becoming the first - exactly, can you believe it? - Lions team to ever post back to back ten win seasons.

 

[TartanLion]

Have to beat the Vikings next week, otherwise we are 0-2 with a tough stretch coming up. The lack of usage of Calvin seems preposterous to me. Is it too much to ask for a balanced median between when we used to do barely anything else but force the ball to him, and Sunday's farce ?

Need Warford and Waddle back to bolster the O-line.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Overall the defense played well. Haynes had an OK game filling in for Levy, the defensive line played well, Quinn had the pick six. But if Slay really is elite he's got to continue to improve. He's miles ahead of two years ago but Stevie made him look silly at times. Mathis is OK but he's older than dirt, you know they're gonna have to rotate Ihedigbo over there all year. It'd be nice if one of the midget DBs Mayhew loves drafting (Diggs, Lawson) would step up as competent nickel back.

 

[Da Guru]

I keep thinking Stafford is going to take the next step and be a top 6-7 QB. Hard to believe that this is Stafford 7th season already. Stafford was under pressure at times but he still misses open receivers much more than a good QB should.

 

[Seekay]

Overall the defense played well. Haynes had an OK game filling in for Levy, the defensive line played well, Quinn had the pick six. But if Slay really is elite he's got to continue to improve. He's miles ahead of two years ago but Stevie made him look silly at times. Mathis is OK but he's older than dirt, you know they're gonna have to rotate Ihedigbo over there all year. It'd be nice if one of the midget DBs Mayhew loves drafting (Diggs, Lawson) would step up as competent nickel back.

Not sure how you can say they played well when they couldnt get a stop in the 2nd half.

 

[Seekay]

I keep thinking Stafford is going to take the next step and be a top 6-7 QB. Hard to believe that this is Stafford 7th season already. Stafford was under pressure at times but he still misses open receivers much more than a good QB should.

He reminds me more of Cutler every year then a franchise QB. What you see is about as good as its gonna get.

 

[Dan Lambskin]

Sorry guys but this is a bad team

Not beating the vikes

8 wins is their ceiling

Stafford will never be anything more than a middle of the pack QB and they will never win anything of substance with him at the helm

 

[mbuehner]

Lions gonna Lion.

 

[LawFitz]

Stafford = Cutler = George = Carr

These guys will wow you for a few plays with their big arms, but break your heart in the long run with bone heads.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Stafford = Cutler = George = Carr

These guys will wow you for a few plays with their big arms, but break your heart in the long run with bone heads.

Would that this cannot be refuted.He used to a volume stat stuffer. Last year he was better at cutting down on turnovers, but took a ton of sacks, and consistently failed to sustain drives.

The one constant throughout his career, across two HCs, three OCs and overhauled roster: cannot beat good teams on the road. Has never happened. Scarcely much better at home against playoff bound teams. Good against mediocre & bad teams.

It's not all about Matthew Stafford, but the bottom line is until that changes, he's just a guy. We invested 7 seasons and nearly $100M in two guaranteed contracts just to find out he's a QB15-20. Not a championship quarterback.

 

[jon_mx]

Stafford is an outstanding QB the last 5 minutes of games. The rest of the time, he is well below average. It is like he needs a sense of urgency to perform at his top level. The game against SD was a must win if the Lions wanted a decent chance at the playoffs. Now, the best they can hope for is about 9-7 and almost certainly on the outside looking in.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Sorry guys but this is a bad team

Not beating the vikes

8 wins is their ceiling

Stafford will never be anything more than a middle of the pack QB and they will never win anything of substance with him at the helm

they don't beat Minnesota, they are going 0-5

 

[lod01]

The coaching staff is handcuffing Stafford because they don't want him doing stupid stuff. He (and they) are killing Calvin Johnson because of that. He doesn't throw to Calvin, it kills him stat wise. He throws to Calvin it gets him killed physically trying to catch one of those stupid side arm garbage throws. The guy is the king of the high pass that gets guys injured.

 

[matuski]

The coaching staff is handcuffing Stafford because they don't want him doing stupid stuff. He (and they) are killing Calvin Johnson because of that. He doesn't throw to Calvin, it kills him stat wise. He throws to Calvin it gets him killed physically trying to catch one of those stupid side arm garbage throws. The guy is the king of the high pass that gets guys injured.

When has Calvin been hurt by a high pass from Stafford?

 

[Seekay]

The coaching staff is handcuffing Stafford because they don't want him doing stupid stuff. He (and they) are killing Calvin Johnson because of that. He doesn't throw to Calvin, it kills him stat wise. He throws to Calvin it gets him killed physically trying to catch one of those stupid side arm garbage throws. The guy is the king of the high pass that gets guys injured.

Woah, watch what you say. Lombardi is or was supposed to be a offensive genius. Sean Peyton 2.0

In a sense you are right...

Ebron was supposed to be drafted to play the Jimmy Graham role. So far I havent seen anything that makes me think of Jimmy Graham in New Orleans. An I am not talking production I'm talking usage.

In the offseason they talked about relying on Stafford's arm less. Why is that? He has a big arm you have two good WRs. A top draft pick at TE. Shouldnt you be airing it out? It's cause the QB cant be relied on to make the right throws or reads. Stafford is more of a thrower then a QB.

You want to return to the good old days? 10 plays a game throwing the ball up to Calvin weather its 1, 2 or 3 guys on him? That might be great for fantasy but you arent going to win many real life games that way. An if they let Stafford do his own thing he would be one of the league leaders in INTs. no doubt about that.

 

[tangfoot]

Sorry guys but this is a bad team

Not beating the vikes

8 wins is their ceiling

Stafford will never be anything more than a middle of the pack QB and they will never win anything of substance with him at the helm

they don't beat Minnesota, they are going 0-5

I had them starting 0-4, finishing 8-8. But that was before I saw how Arizona looks.

 

[red stripe]

Honestly surprised anyone expected them to go to San Diego and win this past week. They played about how I expected, I think the heat just caught up with them and exposed our lack of depth at DL. There was no pressure on Rivers at all in the second half and Mathis in particular was getting destroyed by Allen. Seems like time is catching up to Mathis and Tulloch. We're missing Suh a ton and really need Levy there too.

Offense is about what I expected, they did put some points up but inconsistent. Missing two OL there was a lot of pressure on Stafford, seemed like they were doing a good job of mixing the play calls up. I am worried about Joique, doesn't look like he's quite back yet, I wonder if Zenner doesn't start to get some more carries in the weeks ahead.

Lions were game against a good team in a tough place to play is the bottom line for me, Minnesota looks a bit vulnerable and it would be great to sneak another one in their house although it's a coinflip at best imo.

 

[Seekay]

Honestly surprised anyone expected them to go to San Diego and win this past week. They played about how I expected, I think the heat just caught up with them and exposed our lack of depth at DL. There was no pressure on Rivers at all in the second half and Mathis in particular was getting destroyed by Allen. Seems like time is catching up to Mathis and Tulloch. We're missing Suh a ton and really need Levy there too.

Offense is about what I expected, they did put some points up but inconsistent. Missing two OL there was a lot of pressure on Stafford, seemed like they were doing a good job of mixing the play calls up. I am worried about Joique, doesn't look like he's quite back yet, I wonder if Zenner doesn't start to get some more carries in the weeks ahead.

Lions were game against a good team in a tough place to play is the bottom line for me, Minnesota looks a bit vulnerable and it would be great to sneak another one in their house although it's a coinflip at best imo.

Depends on how you look at the game. If you just see the score I guess you can say they competed. If you watched the game they didnt do a whole lot in the second half. They blew a big lead and only a late drive (which almost ended in another Stafford INT if Weddle could main possession of the ball) was really the only bright spot. Defense was horrible 2nd half. I dont hink a total collapse by your defense is something to overlook.

 

[lod01]

Honestly surprised anyone expected them to go to San Diego and win this past week. They played about how I expected, I think the heat just caught up with them and exposed our lack of depth at DL. There was no pressure on Rivers at all in the second half and Mathis in particular was getting destroyed by Allen. Seems like time is catching up to Mathis and Tulloch. We're missing Suh a ton and really need Levy there too.

Offense is about what I expected, they did put some points up but inconsistent. Missing two OL there was a lot of pressure on Stafford, seemed like they were doing a good job of mixing the play calls up. I am worried about Joique, doesn't look like he's quite back yet, I wonder if Zenner doesn't start to get some more carries in the weeks ahead.

Lions were game against a good team in a tough place to play is the bottom line for me, Minnesota looks a bit vulnerable and it would be great to sneak another one in their house although it's a coinflip at best imo.

Depends on how you look at the game. If you just see the score I guess you can say they competed. If you watched the game they didnt do a whole lot in the second half. They blew a big lead and only a late drive (which almost ended in another Stafford INT if Weddle could main possession of the ball) was really the only bright spot. Defense was horrible 2nd half. I dont hink a total collapse by your defense is something to overlook.

They did what they have been doing ever since Caldwell arrived. If they get out to a lead, they crawl into their shell and don't look out until the 4th Q. if ahead, each other. If behind, panic and try and come back in the last minute.

Don't ever expect this team to put a nail in the coffin in any game. The only way that ever happens is if the opposing team put the nail in it's own coffin.

 

[Da Guru]

Honestly surprised anyone expected them to go to San Diego and win this past week. They played about how I expected, I think the heat just caught up with them and exposed our lack of depth at DL. There was no pressure on Rivers at all in the second half and Mathis in particular was getting destroyed by Allen. Seems like time is catching up to Mathis and Tulloch. We're missing Suh a ton and really need Levy there too.

Offense is about what I expected, they did put some points up but inconsistent. Missing two OL there was a lot of pressure on Stafford, seemed like they were doing a good job of mixing the play calls up. I am worried about Joique, doesn't look like he's quite back yet, I wonder if Zenner doesn't start to get some more carries in the weeks ahead.

Lions were game against a good team in a tough place to play is the bottom line for me, Minnesota looks a bit vulnerable and it would be great to sneak another one in their house although it's a coinflip at best imo.

Was not expecting the Lions to win until they went up 21-3 and then Rivers threw that INT right before half top come away with zero points. At that point all the offense needed was to put together 2 drives in the second half and the game was over.

 

[lod01]

The coaching staff is handcuffing Stafford because they don't want him doing stupid stuff. He (and they) are killing Calvin Johnson because of that. He doesn't throw to Calvin, it kills him stat wise. He throws to Calvin it gets him killed physically trying to catch one of those stupid side arm garbage throws. The guy is the king of the high pass that gets guys injured.

When has Calvin been hurt by a high pass from Stafford?

You would have to watch the games. He's thrown many high passes over the years that Calvin has reached for that he has come up hurting.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Semi-interesting article on how quickly Rivers got the ball out Week 1.

Most telling to me - lack of adjustment.

Rivers got rid of the ball in two or fewer seconds on 28 of his 42 throws. He completed 24 of those passes. He was only forced to hold on to it longer than three seconds twice, resulting in one sack and one incompletion.

The Lions did little to adjust in the second half as Rivers completed 21 of his 23 passes, with the ball out of his hands on an average of 1.77 seconds.

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2015/09/detroit_lions_second_look_phil.html#incart_sms_app

 

[BoltBacker]

I am curious what the local media is saying about the way AA was used in the game. I am not even suggesting they should give him a full load but would 13-15 carries have been out of line when you have a three score lead and just need a few more first downs? He was averaging over 7 yards/carry on the day.

I know there are several "FF Experts" that like to say that yards/carry don't mean anything...... but I will take my chances with the 7+yrd/carry over the guy struggling to eclipse 2yrd/carry most of the time. If the coaches continue to struggle with that decision will they be on a short leash?

 

[Rockchild]

It never ceases to amaze me how some coaches get so conservative when they get a big lead early in games only to lose. You don't see the successful coaches do that. They keep piling on putting more pressure on and forcing teams to become more one dimensional. Do they even take the time afterwards to assess what went wrong? Or what they could have done differently so that this doesn't happen again? Frustrating to watch it happen time and time again with the same coaches. I'm sure most of these coaches know more about football than most of us but, for whatever reason, are unable to see this fault and change their thinking.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

It never ceases to amaze me how some coaches get so conservative when they get a big lead early in games only to lose. You don't see the successful coaches do that. They keep piling on putting more pressure on and forcing teams to become more one dimensional. Do they even take the time afterwards to assess what went wrong? Or what they could have done differently so that this doesn't happen again? Frustrating to watch it happen time and time again with the same coaches. I'm sure most of these coaches know more about football than most of us but, for whatever reason, are unable to see this fault and change their thinking.

Studies have shown how risk aversive most coaches are, and only a few venture into that kind of territory. Those tend to be the winners.

 

[lod01]

It never ceases to amaze me how some coaches get so conservative when they get a big lead early in games only to lose. You don't see the successful coaches do that. They keep piling on putting more pressure on and forcing teams to become more one dimensional. Do they even take the time afterwards to assess what went wrong? Or what they could have done differently so that this doesn't happen again? Frustrating to watch it happen time and time again with the same coaches. I'm sure most of these coaches know more about football than most of us but, for whatever reason, are unable to see this fault and change their thinking.

That's the Herminator way of coaching. It's full of losers. Detroit did it all year and was lucky it only bit them in the ### once I believe. Then you look at Pittsburgh last year. They had a huge lead on Baltimore. 2 minutes left to go up 13, they threw a 33 yard TD to Matt Spaeth. Tomlin was laughing on the sidelines. That's punching the other team in the face. That's a winner.

 

[Seekay]

It never ceases to amaze me how some coaches get so conservative when they get a big lead early in games only to lose. You don't see the successful coaches do that. They keep piling on putting more pressure on and forcing teams to become more one dimensional. Do they even take the time afterwards to assess what went wrong? Or what they could have done differently so that this doesn't happen again? Frustrating to watch it happen time and time again with the same coaches. I'm sure most of these coaches know more about football than most of us but, for whatever reason, are unable to see this fault and change their thinking.

That's the Herminator way of coaching. It's full of losers. Detroit did it all year and was lucky it only bit them in the ### once I believe. Then you look at Pittsburgh last year. They had a huge lead on Baltimore. 2 minutes left to go up 13, they threw a 33 yard TD to Matt Spaeth. Tomlin was laughing on the sidelines. That's punching the other team in the face. That's a winner.

Big difference when you have a QB you can trust. I dont think Lions coaches have 100% faith in Stafford. I know last year he wasnt calling his own audibles. They were calling two plays in the huddle and we was allowed to switch to the other play. They talk a good game about how Stafford has improved, but I think even Lombardi can see Stafford is no Drew Brees.

 

[TwinTurbo]

It never ceases to amaze me how some coaches get so conservative when they get a big lead early in games only to lose. You don't see the successful coaches do that. They keep piling on putting more pressure on and forcing teams to become more one dimensional. Do they even take the time afterwards to assess what went wrong? Or what they could have done differently so that this doesn't happen again? Frustrating to watch it happen time and time again with the same coaches. I'm sure most of these coaches know more about football than most of us but, for whatever reason, are unable to see this fault and change their thinking.

That's the Herminator way of coaching. It's full of losers. Detroit did it all year and was lucky it only bit them in the ### once I believe. Then you look at Pittsburgh last year. They had a huge lead on Baltimore. 2 minutes left to go up 13, they threw a 33 yard TD to Matt Spaeth. Tomlin was laughing on the sidelines. That's punching the other team in the face. That's a winner.

Big difference when you have a QB you can trust. I dont think Lions coaches have 100% faith in Stafford. I know last year he wasnt calling his own audibles. They were calling two plays in the huddle and we was allowed to switch to the other play. They talk a good game about how Stafford has improved, but I think even Lombardi can see Stafford is no Drew Brees.

I trust the coaching staff less than I trust Stafford. This is what you get with a guy like Jim Caldwell. Another risk adverse coach that needs a vastly superior team with Peyton at QB to overcome questionable coaching decisions and even then he will still find a way to let a big lead evaporate.