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2025 Detroit Lions: 0-0 Getting ready for camp. (20 Viewers)

The Lions need to average 38.7 ppg over the final 7 games to go down as the highest-scoring team in NFL history.

In the 6 games since the bye, they're averaging ... 38.7 ppg.
 
The Lions need to average 38.7 ppg over the final 7 games to go down as the highest-scoring team in NFL history.

In the 6 games since the bye, they're averaging ... 38.7 ppg.
The biggest game of the season happens in four weeks when the Bills come to Motown. How do you see that going down?
 
Finally, something practical from AI search results…

The word "juggernaut" has multiple meanings and comes from the Sanskrit word Jagannātha, which means "lord of the world":
  • A large, overpowering force or object: For example, a powerful football team, a giant battleship, or war.
  • A large, heavy vehicle: Especially a truck, this is a British English meaning.
  • Anything requiring blind devotion or cruel sacrifice: Similar to the figurative use of "steamroller" or "battering ram".
    • The Anglicized name for the Hindu god Jagannath: The word entered the English language in the early 19th century.
  • The word's origins come from the Jagannatha Temple in Puri, Odisha, India. The temple hosts an annual festival called the Ratha Yatra, where images of the Hindu gods Jagannātha, Subhadra, and Balabhadra are carried through the streets on chariots.
  • According to the story, some devotees would throw themselves under the wheels of the chariots as a sacrifice to Vishnu.
  • The story was likely exaggerated or misinterpreted, but it spread throughout Europe.
 
The Lions need to average 38.7 ppg over the final 7 games to go down as the highest-scoring team in NFL history.

In the 6 games since the bye, they're averaging ... 38.7 ppg.
The biggest game of the season happens in four weeks when the Bills come to Motown. How do you see that going down?

I’m worried about how to stop Anthony Richardson and Jonathan Taylor.
 
Three and Out: In Build and Spirit, these Lions are the modern day Bad Boys

Justin Rogers | Detroit Football Network (Substack)

Allen Park — Here are three observations after a second viewing and a night to ponder the Detroit Lions’ 52-6 win over the Jacksonville Jaguars.

Bad Boys in build and in spirit

For the better part of two years, I’ve been comparing these Lions to another iconic team around these parts, the Bad Boys-era Detroit Pistons.

The reference has been tied to the Lions' linear build around a stable foundation. It’s something rarely seen in modern professional sports with the evolution of the salary cap and free agency, plus shorter leashes for coaches, leading to more frequent schematic and personnel overhauls.

Back to the Bad Boys. Part of what made them so endearing locally was that we took the ride with the individuals as they made incremental steps to reach the top of the mountain. We saw the first-round exit in 1986, falling short in the conference finals in 1987, and not being good enough to topple the star-studded Los Angeles Lakers in the 1988 Finals before finally getting over the hump the next two years.

Seeing photos of a champagne-soaked Isiah Thomas, smiling, clutching the championship trophy in the locker room carries added nostalgia because we watched the captain, that team’s heart and soul, fall short multiple times and keep coming back a little more driven the next season.

Lions fans are getting to experience something similar with this group. They saw the foundation laid in 2021 with the acquisition of quarterback Jared Goff via trade and the selections of Penei Sewell and Amon-Ra St. Brown in the draft. They’ve witnessed the build from threatening to go winless that first year to the midseason turnaround in 2022 to last year’s run to the NFC Championship.

When the Pistons finally won their title, they left little doubt it was their time, winning the first eight games of the season on the way to a league-best 63-19 record. In 2024, it’s the Lions sitting atop the NFL’s standings.

Amusingly, the Lions are going about it with a little bit of a Bad Boys attitude, as well. Let's not kid ourselves: The Lions are bullies. They pulled down the Jaguars' pants and stuck their heads in a toilet Sunday. Even as they got ahead four scores, they continued to blitz on defense and throw downfield on offense.

They embody what Dan Campbell talked about the day he arrived.

“We’re going to kick you in the teeth, all right," Campbell said in what continues to be his most famous sound byte. "And when you punch us back, we’re going to smile at you. And when you knock us down, we’re going to get up. And, on the way up, we’re going to bite a kneecap off.”

The Jaguars never really punched back after getting kicked in the teeth on Sunday, but the Lions took their kneecaps any way. And you better believe they smiled while doing it.

Bill Laimbeer would be proud.

Fundamentally sound

That was one of the more unique defensive performances I remember watching.

Typically, when an opponent scores just six points, the defensive stat sheet is stuffed with hallmarks of playmaking.

That was hardly the case against Jacksonville.

Yes, there was Kerby Joseph’s league-leading seventh interception that ended a scoring threat late in the third quarter.

And newcomer Za’Darius Smith sliced through the interior of Jacksonville’s offensive line as part of a third-down blitz in the fourth frame, splitting a sack with linebacker Jack Campbell.

But what else?

That was the only sack and turnover of the game for the Lions. Additionally, the defense only hit Jaguars quarterback Mac Jones one other time and the unit didn't record another pass breakup until a replay review overturned a deep throw to Brian Thomas down the sideline midway through the fourth quarter, giving backup safety Brandon Joseph credit for a pass defended.

What this means is the Lions played with exceptional fundamentals throughout the contest. Gaps were filled, coverage was sticky and defenders flew to the ball at every turn.

The pristine execution is highlighted in some of the more obvious numbers, such as the Jaguars’ inability to get anything going on the ground. Travis Etienne was already having a difficult year coming into the contest and the Lions weren’t about to let his fortunes flip at Ford Field, holding the third-year dual-threat to 27 yards on 12 carries (and just 6 more yards on three catches).

But the number that stood out, after some manual tabulation this morning, was yards after the catch. The Jacksonville passing attack centered around quick throws, further negating Detroit’s pass rush. But on 17 completions, the Jaguars mustered just 71 yards after the catch.

For context, NFL teams are averaging 112 yards this season.

The cherry on top is the Lions missed a season-low two tackles.

Obviously, defensive coordinator Aaron Glenn will unearth plenty to correct in the unending pursuit of perfection, but this game should ultimately serve as teach tape for effort and execution.

Although the hunt for big plays never stops, the Lions didn’t need them Sunday because all 11 players consistently did their jobs within the scheme. It might not be as exciting as seven sacks or four turnovers, but it further highlights how far Detroit’s defense has come this season.

Next man up, again

Alex Anzalone's injury is a gut punch, but how can you not be inspired by his positivity in the hours after learning he'll likely miss most, if not the remainder of the regular season?

“As an athlete, a lot of times you think, ‘Why did this have to happen?’” Anzalone posted to social media. “But I like to think about all the countless reps something bad didn’t happen. I’m beyond blessed! I’ll be back in no time, fresh legs and all.”

Anzalone is no stranger to injury. Shoulder issues gave him all kinds of issues in college and early in his pro career, costing him most of his first and third seasons in the NFL.

In Detroit, he’s largely put those durability issues behind him. He missed the end of the 2021 campaign with a shoulder issue, but just two contests the past two-and-a-half seasons, including one earlier this year with a concussion where he had been cleared, but the team opted to proceed with an abundance of caution.

The immediate drive to get back is something we’ve seen with some of the roster's other players who have suffered what would be season-ending injuries under normal circumstances. Guys like Aidan Hutchinson and Derrick Barnes are attacking their rehab with maximum effort in hopes of rejoining the team in what’s lining up to be a magical run.

But what shouldn’t be ignored is how well the Lions have absorbed this string of body blows.

Remarkably, they haven’t lost since they lost Hutchinson — a legitimate contender for Defensive Player of the Year — went down. Whether they've had to turn to inexperienced depth or plug in a practice squad promotion, they've kept chugging.

The Lions will have to patchwork another solution at linebacker. At least the team's depth is a little more reliable at that position. Jack Campbell was drafted in the first round last year for this kind of role. Malcolm Rodriguez started 15 games in 2022 and is nearing 1,000 defensive snaps in his career. And that’s half of the reps Ben Niemann has played. He figures to round out the initial rotation sans Anzalone.
 
I hadn't considered the parallels to the Bad Boys Pistons teams, but it's hard not to start feeling the same way about these Lions. I was fortunate enough to see some of the Pistons playoff games, that was a much easier ticket than these Lions will ever have.
 
PFF Grades Week 11

Team Grades

  • Overall 91.8*
  • Offense 92.0*
  • Passing 93.2*
  • Pass Blocking 73.4
  • Receiving 83.3
  • Rushing 76.3
  • Run Blocking 76.3
  • Defense 69.8
  • Run Defense 64.8
  • Tackling 83.7*
  • Pass Rush 61.3
  • Coverage 69.9
  • Special Teams 66.2
*season high

Offense
  • Jared Goff 93.5
  • Amon-Ra St Brown 92.4
  • Kevin Zeitler 90.6
  • Hendon Hooker 85.7
  • Frank Ragnow 83.5
  • Kayode Awosika 82.4
  • David Montgomery 75.7
  • Jameson Williams 69.4
  • Penei Sewell 68.8
  • Taylor Decker 68.7
  • Graham Glasgow 68.5
  • Jahmyr Gibbs 67.4
  • Dan Skipper 66.6
  • Craig Reynolds 65.7
  • Kalif Raymond 65.6
  • Tim Patrick 65.2
  • Sione Vaki 62.2
  • James Mitchell 60.4
  • Brock Wright 59.1
  • Shane Zylstra 53.1
  • Allen Robinson II 47.6
  • Michael Niese 47.4


 
PFF Grades Week 11

Defense

  • Ben Niemann 91.7
  • Kerby Joseph 89.9
  • Malcolm Rodriguez 80.9
  • Alex Anzalone 75.1
  • Brandon Joseph 71.4
  • Amik Robertson 68.1
  • Terrion Arnold 67.2
  • Za’Darius Smith 64.9
  • Jack Campbell 64.5
  • Ennis Rakestraw 62.7
  • Patrick O’Connor 62.3
  • Ezekiel Turner 61.6
  • Brian Branch 60.9
  • Alim McNeill 60.3
  • DJ Reader 59.1
  • Josh Paschal 58.7
  • Mekhi Wongo 57.4
  • Kindle Vildor 56.3
  • Carlton Davis III 50.3
  • James Houston IV 46.6
  • Trevor Nowaske 37.7
  • Levi Onwuzurike 36.2
  • Khalil Dorsey 29.8
Special Teams
  • Patrick O’Connor 70.8
  • Jake Bates 70.8
  • Ezekiel Turner 69.1
  • Kindle Vildor 66.5
  • Ennis Rakestraw Jr 66.2
  • Sione Vaki 65.4
  • Kalif Raymond 63.3
  • Khalil Dorsey 59.6
  • Jack Fox (No Grade - 0 punts)
 
Dan Campbell today:
  • Brought up Patrick O’Connor, who’s been getting snaps both at DL & ST. Love how they gain 645 yards & his spotlight is on the most obscure defensive player doing a thankless job.
  • “We’re not out of the weeds here, by any means. We’re going to be hit with more adversity that we’ll have to overcome.”
  • Ifeatu Melifonwu has suffered a new (unspecified) injury so he’s not coming back anytime soon. Reset IR-R but hope to get him on the rooster for YE/Playoffs.
  • There’s always cleanup from film to go over no matter how good the team plays. Guys didn’t fill the right gap but the other team didn’t exploit so you got lucky. Receivers didn’t hit their landmark or someone didn’t finish a block. It’s a never ending pursuit of perfection.
As for yesterday, good team win but we’re on to the next one. This quarterback (AR) presents some unique challenges & JT is as good of a back as we’ll face this year. Hostile environment, they gotta be locked in, et al.
 
Love what the Lions have built. Them and their fans deserve it. Please don’t put a 50 spot on my Colts next week.

I will be there. 1st row seats right behind the Lions bench. Colts have a decent defense, so ot should be a bit closer.
Sorry, but that team scares the hell out of me. I pull for them most of the time however.

They scare the hell out of everybody.
 
Nobody asked about Emmanuel Moseley at today’s presser. But he’s on the same timeline as Martin who will get added to the 53-man Saturday.

Monday Recap: Melifonwu suffers another injury, Smith gets a favorable review after ddbut

Allen Park — The frustrating career of Ifeatu Melifonwu has taken another unfortunate turn.

Nearing his 2024 debut after a season-long battle with a nagging ankle injury, the Detroit Lions safety popped up on last week’s injury report with a finger injury that limited him on Thursday and sidelined him Friday.

Not realizing the severity of the new ailment, Lions coach Dan Campbell was asked if Melifonwu could be part of the solution at linebacker after Alex Anzalone suffered a broken forearm on Sunday. Campbell quickly shut the idea down.

“Look, because this is going to come up anyway, (Melifonwu) had something come up and he won’t be ready for a while,” Campbell said. “He’s not going to be ready for a while.”

Melifonwu was entering the home stretch of his three-week practice acclimation window but will need to be shut down again.

Campbell said there's still a chance the defensive back will play this season, but the team will have to designate him to return from injured reserve a second time, using another one of the team’s eight allotted slots.

Since his rookie year, the 2021 third-round pick has battled injury after injury. As a rookie, he missed half the season with a quad strain. His second season was marred by a training camp hamstring strain that carried into the regular season before a rolled ankle knocked him out another three games. Both issues slowed his acclimation to a new position after he was shifted from cornerback to safety that offseason. Then, in 2023, he suffered a broken hand in practice, delaying a planned midseason insertion into the starting lineup.

Once cleared, Melifonwu was a key piece to Detroit’s strong finish last season. Across the final five games of the regular season, he recorded 19 tackles, 3.0 sacks, seven pass defenses and two interceptions.

In training camp, he was trending toward a backup/rotational role, repping with the second-team defense behind starters Kerby Joseph and Brian Branch, who had moved from the nickel spot he manned as a rookie.

Ready to rumble

Another player on injured reserve, Brodric Martin, has reached the end of his acclimation window. Campbell indicated the plan will be to activate the second-year defensive tackle to the 53-man roster this week.

“Yeah, he’s been doing a good job,” Campbell said. “He’s done a solid job out there on (scout team), giving us a good look, and trying to work his craft. So I think we would like to get him on the roster here and at least have him, and then just see where it goes.”

Martin, a third-round pick in 2023, was immediately labeled as a developmental project after he was selected out of Western Kentucky. He appeared in just three games game last season, logging a meager 28 defensive snaps.

He had shown noticeable improvement during his second offseason and was projected to have a backup role behind starters DJ Reader and Alim McNeill. A hyperextended knee, suffered during the preseason, has kept the young lineman on the shelf.

Replacing a key cog

With Anzalone expected to be out the next 6-8 weeks, he’ll join Derrick Barnes and Jalen Reeves-Maybin on injured reserve. That’s a heavy hit to one position group, particularly since Anzalone was an every-down player and Barnes was logging close to 90% of the defensive snaps to begin this season.

Jack Campbell is expected to step in and replace Anzalone as the unit's primary communicator, wearing the green-dot helmet that puts him in radio contact with the sideline during games.

Dan Campbell said it won’t be easy to replace Anzalone’s curated connection with defensive coordinator Aaron Glenn, but Jack Campbell is the best option they have. Plus, they planned for the possibility during training camp.

“He’s a guy who understands the game,” Dan Campbell said. “He is a smart football player, he studies it, he works at it, he was that way when he walked in. He’s an instinctive player that really understands ball.

“…He’s been right in (Anzalone’s) hip pocket and he watches that and he learns and he listens,” the coach continued. “I mean we were doing these in the spring, Alex wasn’t even here yet. Alex came in a couple of weeks later and we were doing these situational scenarios where we were letting (QB quarterback ) Goff call it and Jack call it on defense. So, this isn’t the first time he’s kind of had to take a little bit of a role like that and he’s going to be fine as far as that. He’ll step right into that, and he’ll embrace it, and I think you’ll see him thrive.”

In addition to Campbell, the linebacker, the Lions will be looking to Malcolm Rodriguez and Ben Niemann to step up and take on bigger roles. The team could also potentially look to play more nickel defense, depending on the opponent.

Quality debut

Whether it was always the plan, or the lopsided score allowed the Lions to give him a longer leash, recently acquired defensive end Za’Darius Smith received a pretty heavy workload on Sunday, logging 37 defensive snaps.

I asked Campbell what he thought of the performance after reviewing the film.

“I thought he did some good things for us,” Campbell said. “It was good to have him out there. I thought, really like we talked about last week, just be a piece of this puzzle.

“He’s a guy that’s played, he is instinctive, he doesn’t stay blocked long, he’s really good with his hands,” Campbell said. “Like I said, he can set an edge in the run game and he’s really good at working games with (McNeill) Mac and Reader and those guys. He’s got a knack for those things. So, I think, first outing with him, I thought it was good. I think he fits right in with us.”
 
Week 12: at IND (+7.5, 50.5)

Lions updated DVOA numbers through Week 11:

Overall: 1st

Offense: 2nd
Pass O: 9th
Run O: 1st

Defense: 2nd
Pass D: 2nd
Run D: 5th

Special teams: 1st

Colts ranks

Overall: 21st

Offense: 23rd
Pass O: 19th
Run O: 15th

Defense: 17th
Pass D: 19th
Run D: 16th

Special teams: 10th
 
Alex to IR, Iffy signed to 53-man (subsequent to this he will be moved to IR-R again, using one of their 8 spots), and signed ILB David Long off the street.

who? from 2022

28 years old, 6th season; interesting path to say the least
  • 2019 6th round pick by Titans
  • 2019-2022: 50 g, 26 starts
  • signed with Miami
  • 2023: NFL’s best run-defending linebacker
  • Preseason 2024: named team captain
  • First weekend November 2024: demoted
  • Mid-November: unemployed
PFF Run Def Grades:
  • 2022 89.0
  • 2023 92.6
  • 2024 41.2
Started off 2024 with Run Def grades of 80.0 & 70.9 in the first two weeks, then the bottom fell out.

IDK what the story is, will need to research.
 
Yesterday, the Lions tied an NFL record by having 4 players produce 95+ scrimmage yards & a TD:
  • Amon-Ra St Brown (157 + 2 TDs)
  • Jameson Williams (126 + TD)
  • Jahmyr Gibbs (123 + TD)
  • David Montgomery (95 + 2 TDs)

This was only the 5th occurrence in NFL history.
 
The Lions have 3 players with 9+ TDs through the first 10 games of the season:
  • David Montgomery (10)
  • Amon-Ra St Brown (9)
  • Jahmyr Gibbs (9)

The only other time an NFL team has had at least 3 players log 9+ TDs thru the first 10 games of any season was the 2013 Broncos.
 
Yesterday, the Lions tied an NFL record by having 4 players produce 95+ scrimmage yards & a TD:
  • Amon-Ra St Brown (157 + 2 TDs)
  • Jameson Williams (126 + TD)
  • Jahmyr Gibbs (123 + TD)
  • David Montgomery (95 + 2 TDs)

This was only the 5th occurrence in NFL history.
I so wanted Monty to sneak out 5 more yards
 
The Lions have 3 players with 9+ TDs through the first 10 games of the season:
  • David Montgomery (10)
  • Amon-Ra St Brown (9)
  • Jahmyr Gibbs (9)

The only other time an NFL team has had at least 3 players log 9+ TDs thru the first 10 games of any season was the 2013 Broncos.
Crazy. I think right now the top weapons project to

Goff 4240/34
ARSB 1160/15
Gibbs 1790/15
Monty 1360/17
Jamo 1070/8
Laporta 650/5
 
Goff 4240/34
ARSB 1160/15
Gibbs 1790/15
Monty 1360/17
Jamo 1070/8
Laporta 650/5
  1. game manager
  2. slot bois
  3. the draft slot was too damn high
  4. bad contract
  5. walking time bomb
  6. blind squirrel, acorn, & one of the biggest FF busts of the year
I think I nailed it.

I saw a clip yesterday of some moron on a shouty show claiming Detroit could not win 3 straight playoff games with Jared Goff as the QB, so no way should they be the Super Bowl favorite. The other. The other 3 at the table tried to argue why he was dead wrong so he increased the volume and began shouting it.

Most playoff wins active quarterbacks

Goff in the 2023 playoffs
  1. 222781.4827710121.8
  2. 304369.7728720103.5
  3. 254160.982731088.8
 
Love what the Lions have built. Them and their fans deserve it. Please don’t put a 50 spot on my Colts next week.

I will be there. 1st row seats right behind the Lions bench. Colts have a decent defense, so ot should be a bit closer.

IDK if you’re only traveling on Game Day but I would strongly recommend getting a hotel room within walking distance & arriving Saturday afternoon.

The sea of Honolulu blue invading an NFL city is a beautiful thing, and you’ll make scores of new friends.
 
Three and Out: In Build and Spirit, these Lions are the modern day Bad Boys

Justin Rogers | Detroit Football Network (Substack)

Allen Park — Here are three observations after a second viewing and a night to ponder the Detroit Lions’ 52-6 win over the Jacksonville Jaguars.

Bad Boys in build and in spirit

For the better part of two years, I’ve been comparing these Lions to another iconic team around these parts, the Bad Boys-era Detroit Pistons.

The reference has been tied to the Lions' linear build around a stable foundation. It’s something rarely seen in modern professional sports with the evolution of the salary cap and free agency, plus shorter leashes for coaches, leading to more frequent schematic and personnel overhauls.

Back to the Bad Boys. Part of what made them so endearing locally was that we took the ride with the individuals as they made incremental steps to reach the top of the mountain. We saw the first-round exit in 1986, falling short in the conference finals in 1987, and not being good enough to topple the star-studded Los Angeles Lakers in the 1988 Finals before finally getting over the hump the next two years.

Seeing photos of a champagne-soaked Isiah Thomas, smiling, clutching the championship trophy in the locker room carries added nostalgia because we watched the captain, that team’s heart and soul, fall short multiple times and keep coming back a little more driven the next season.

Lions fans are getting to experience something similar with this group. They saw the foundation laid in 2021 with the acquisition of quarterback Jared Goff via trade and the selections of Penei Sewell and Amon-Ra St. Brown in the draft. They’ve witnessed the build from threatening to go winless that first year to the midseason turnaround in 2022 to last year’s run to the NFC Championship.

When the Pistons finally won their title, they left little doubt it was their time, winning the first eight games of the season on the way to a league-best 63-19 record. In 2024, it’s the Lions sitting atop the NFL’s standings.

Amusingly, the Lions are going about it with a little bit of a Bad Boys attitude, as well. Let's not kid ourselves: The Lions are bullies. They pulled down the Jaguars' pants and stuck their heads in a toilet Sunday. Even as they got ahead four scores, they continued to blitz on defense and throw downfield on offense.

They embody what Dan Campbell talked about the day he arrived.

“We’re going to kick you in the teeth, all right," Campbell said in what continues to be his most famous sound byte. "And when you punch us back, we’re going to smile at you. And when you knock us down, we’re going to get up. And, on the way up, we’re going to bite a kneecap off.”

The Jaguars never really punched back after getting kicked in the teeth on Sunday, but the Lions took their kneecaps any way. And you better believe they smiled while doing it.

Bill Laimbeer would be proud.

Fundamentally sound

That was one of the more unique defensive performances I remember watching.

Typically, when an opponent scores just six points, the defensive stat sheet is stuffed with hallmarks of playmaking.

That was hardly the case against Jacksonville.

Yes, there was Kerby Joseph’s league-leading seventh interception that ended a scoring threat late in the third quarter.

And newcomer Za’Darius Smith sliced through the interior of Jacksonville’s offensive line as part of a third-down blitz in the fourth frame, splitting a sack with linebacker Jack Campbell.

But what else?

That was the only sack and turnover of the game for the Lions. Additionally, the defense only hit Jaguars quarterback Mac Jones one other time and the unit didn't record another pass breakup until a replay review overturned a deep throw to Brian Thomas down the sideline midway through the fourth quarter, giving backup safety Brandon Joseph credit for a pass defended.

What this means is the Lions played with exceptional fundamentals throughout the contest. Gaps were filled, coverage was sticky and defenders flew to the ball at every turn.

The pristine execution is highlighted in some of the more obvious numbers, such as the Jaguars’ inability to get anything going on the ground. Travis Etienne was already having a difficult year coming into the contest and the Lions weren’t about to let his fortunes flip at Ford Field, holding the third-year dual-threat to 27 yards on 12 carries (and just 6 more yards on three catches).

But the number that stood out, after some manual tabulation this morning, was yards after the catch. The Jacksonville passing attack centered around quick throws, further negating Detroit’s pass rush. But on 17 completions, the Jaguars mustered just 71 yards after the catch.

For context, NFL teams are averaging 112 yards this season.

The cherry on top is the Lions missed a season-low two tackles.

Obviously, defensive coordinator Aaron Glenn will unearth plenty to correct in the unending pursuit of perfection, but this game should ultimately serve as teach tape for effort and execution.

Although the hunt for big plays never stops, the Lions didn’t need them Sunday because all 11 players consistently did their jobs within the scheme. It might not be as exciting as seven sacks or four turnovers, but it further highlights how far Detroit’s defense has come this season.

Next man up, again

Alex Anzalone's injury is a gut punch, but how can you not be inspired by his positivity in the hours after learning he'll likely miss most, if not the remainder of the regular season?

“As an athlete, a lot of times you think, ‘Why did this have to happen?’” Anzalone posted to social media. “But I like to think about all the countless reps something bad didn’t happen. I’m beyond blessed! I’ll be back in no time, fresh legs and all.”

Anzalone is no stranger to injury. Shoulder issues gave him all kinds of issues in college and early in his pro career, costing him most of his first and third seasons in the NFL.

In Detroit, he’s largely put those durability issues behind him. He missed the end of the 2021 campaign with a shoulder issue, but just two contests the past two-and-a-half seasons, including one earlier this year with a concussion where he had been cleared, but the team opted to proceed with an abundance of caution.

The immediate drive to get back is something we’ve seen with some of the roster's other players who have suffered what would be season-ending injuries under normal circumstances. Guys like Aidan Hutchinson and Derrick Barnes are attacking their rehab with maximum effort in hopes of rejoining the team in what’s lining up to be a magical run.

But what shouldn’t be ignored is how well the Lions have absorbed this string of body blows.

Remarkably, they haven’t lost since they lost Hutchinson — a legitimate contender for Defensive Player of the Year — went down. Whether they've had to turn to inexperienced depth or plug in a practice squad promotion, they've kept chugging.

The Lions will have to patchwork another solution at linebacker. At least the team's depth is a little more reliable at that position. Jack Campbell was drafted in the first round last year for this kind of role. Malcolm Rodriguez started 15 games in 2022 and is nearing 1,000 defensive snaps in his career. And that’s half of the reps Ben Niemann has played. He figures to round out the initial rotation sans Anzalone.
Interesting comparison, but this team is way more likable. Sure, they run up the score a little, and they sometimes accidentally blow up TEs knees, but the overall vibe of the team is guys like Goff and ARSB and Montgomery: grinders who have been underestimated for most of their careers and are now showing how good they can be when part of a well-functioning organization.

I loved Isiah and Laimbeer and Mahorn, but it was very much in the spirit of "They may be SOBs, but they're our SOBs." I think we all knew that if those guys had been on another team, we would have hated their guts.

Maybe Campbell is on the verge of building a Pats-style dynasty, and after two decades of dominating the league, people will be sick of them and will find reasons to hate them. We should all be so lucky. But for now, I would estimate that outside of Wisconsin/Minnesota, the Lions have a near-universal approval rating
 
Maybe Campbell is on the verge of building a Pats-style dynasty, and after two decades of dominating the league, people will be sick of them and will find reasons to hate them. We should all be so lucky. But for now, I would estimate that outside of Wisconsin/Minnesota, the Lions have a near-universal approval rating

I agree generally the Lions are well liked. They don’t have any bad actors, they respect the game and their opponents. They’re very physically tough, they hit hard in all three phases, they absolutely want to pummel other teams relentlessly. But I don’t think they’re trying to embarrass anyone; it’s not personal. You’re just in their way if you’re on the schedule.

It feels sustainable, but definitely the big test beyond this season will be finding successors to Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn.

The 5 guys who came in Jan/Feb 2021 have been catalysts. Ben Johnson (then TEs coach) was already here, the only Patricia assistant retained. Holmes was hired by the Hamp-Spielman-Disner committee, and rubber stamped the Campbell hire 6 days later (what else could he do?). It was serendipitous those two stayed up until midnight the night before the legendary introduction press conference, sharing their perspectives & finishing each others sentences. Hand and glove fit.

Man did the Lions get super lucky there. Most teams hire the GM and let him choose the HC. But they’ve been single minded in the vision part of constructing the roster.

Aaron Glenn came over with DC from the Saints staff. Whiffed on his first OC (Anthony Lynn) but course corrected by Week 10, taking over the play calling & leaning heavily on his newly promoted passing game coordinator and future OC.

Edit: lost my train of thought…the 5th man (often overlooked) who arrived in early 2021 was ST coordinator Dave Fipp. Super interesting guy, his Thursday pressers are a treasure trove of insight. Detroit has had phenomenal success in every aspect of special teams except PK. Seems that this year they found the final piece of the puzzle in Jake Bates.

Obviously I want more than anything to see them finish the job. But just what has already transpired - from 0-8/0-10-1 to becoming the best team in the NFL…I never thought I would live long enough to see witness it.
 
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The 5 guys who came in Jan/Feb 2021 have been catalysts. Ben Johnson (then TEs coach) was already here, the only Patricia assistant retained.
Yet another example of what a clueless meathead Dan Campbell is.
Definitely fell asss backwards into success. True story - caller into 97.1 this morning asked “What does Dan Campbell do, really?”

I’m kidding of course. If you’ve ever been to the DMV, you’ve seen what average intelligence looks like. We let those MFers choose our president & Congress lol
 
Maybe Campbell is on the verge of building a Pats-style dynasty, and after two decades of dominating the league, people will be sick of them and will find reasons to hate them. We should all be so lucky. But for now, I would estimate that outside of Wisconsin/Minnesota, the Lions have a near-universal approval rating

I agree generally the Lions are well liked. They don’t have any bad actors, they respect the game and their opponents. They’re very physically tough, they hit hard in all three phases, they absolutely want to pummel other teams relentlessly. But I don’t think they’re trying to embarrass anyone; it’s not personal. You’re just in their way if you’re on the schedule.

It feels sustainable, but definitely the big test beyond this season will be finding successors to Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn.

The 5 guys who came in Jan/Feb 2021 have been catalysts. Ben Johnson (then TEs coach) was already here, the only Patricia assistant retained. Holmes was hired by the Hamp-Spielman-Disner committee, and rubber stamped the Campbell hire 6 days later (what else could he do?). It was serendipitous those two stayed up until midnight the night before the legendary introduction press conference, sharing their perspectives & finishing each others sentences. Hand and glove fit.

Man did the Lions get super lucky there. Most teams hire the GM and let him choose the HC. But they’ve been single minded in the vision part of constructing the roster.

Aaron Glenn came over with DC from the Saints staff. Whiffed on his first OC (Anthony Lynn) but course corrected by Week 10, taking over the play calling & leaning heavily on his newly promoted passing game coordinator and future OC.

Obviously I want more than anything to see them finish the job. But just what has already transpired - from 0-8/0-10-1 to becoming the best team in the NFL…I never thought I would live long enough to see witness it.
Agree with you that I had always hoped that the Lions would tur n out to be a dominant winning team but always wondered if it would ever happen during my lifetime. I’m 74 now and have memories of the Lions championship season in 1957n when I was 7.
My son was a big Lions fan as well but he passed away 7 years ago the closest he came to a successful Lions season was the Fontes Barry Sanders team that got blown out by Washington in the NFC championship game.
This has been a fun ride even going through the agony of Campbell’s first season and the 1-6 start of the second.
Want us to be the top seed and get home field throughout the playoffs.

I would disagree with the sentiment that the Lions were not trying to embarrass anyone. Because they went after Dallas splitting Sewell out wide and other such shenanigans. We can speculate as to why.
 
Maybe Campbell is on the verge of building a Pats-style dynasty, and after two decades of dominating the league, people will be sick of them and will find reasons to hate them. We should all be so lucky. But for now, I would estimate that outside of Wisconsin/Minnesota, the Lions have a near-universal approval rating

I agree generally the Lions are well liked. They don’t have any bad actors, they respect the game and their opponents. They’re very physically tough, they hit hard in all three phases, they absolutely want to pummel other teams relentlessly. But I don’t think they’re trying to embarrass anyone; it’s not personal. You’re just in their way if you’re on the schedule.

It feels sustainable, but definitely the big test beyond this season will be finding successors to Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn.

The 5 guys who came in Jan/Feb 2021 have been catalysts. Ben Johnson (then TEs coach) was already here, the only Patricia assistant retained. Holmes was hired by the Hamp-Spielman-Disner committee, and rubber stamped the Campbell hire 6 days later (what else could he do?). It was serendipitous those two stayed up until midnight the night before the legendary introduction press conference, sharing their perspectives & finishing each others sentences. Hand and glove fit.

Man did the Lions get super lucky there. Most teams hire the GM and let him choose the HC. But they’ve been single minded in the vision part of constructing the roster.

Aaron Glenn came over with DC from the Saints staff. Whiffed on his first OC (Anthony Lynn) but course corrected by Week 10, taking over the play calling & leaning heavily on his newly promoted passing game coordinator and future OC.

Obviously I want more than anything to see them finish the job. But just what has already transpired - from 0-8/0-10-1 to becoming the best team in the NFL…I never thought I would live long enough to see witness it.
Agree with you that I had always hoped that the Lions would tur n out to be a dominant winning team but always wondered if it would ever happen during my lifetime. I’m 74 now and have memories of the Lions championship season in 1957n when I was 7.
My son was a big Lions fan as well but he passed away 7 years ago the closest he came to a successful Lions season was the Fontes Barry Sanders team that got blown out by Washington in the NFC championship game.
This has been a fun ride even going through the agony of Campbell’s first season and the 1-6 start of the second.
Want us to be the top seed and get home field throughout the playoffs.

I would disagree with the sentiment that the Lions were not trying to embarrass anyone. Because they went after Dallas splitting Sewell out wide and other such shenanigans. We can speculate as to why.

I felt like all that was directed at the shield/referees, not Dallas. But….I could be wrong.
 
Agree with you that I had always hoped that the Lions would turn out to be a dominant winning team but always wondered if it would ever happen during my lifetime. I’m 74 now and have memories of the Lions championship season in 1957 when I was 7.
One of my best friends is also 74 and has a lot of those type of memories. It's always good to see long term fans finally approaching the payoff they deserve.
 
The Lions have 3 big things going in their favor that have people loving them

1. Good vibes, from Hard Knocks to Campbell, just guys having fun and working their butts off
2. Everyone loves a redemption story after decades of disappointment
3. They are so fun to watch, no other team plays quite like them

That's on point, brother man.

Just to amplify that, there is a nostalgic aspect to this team that resonates with people. It's football the way it was meant to be played. They have plenty of talent but it's not the collection of skills. It's the unified spirit. Nobody is bigger than the team. We're stronger not because the 45th man is a talent but because the 65th guy really is capable of being the next man up.

Joshua Dobbs had a cup of coffee with the Lions around Nov/Dec 2022, and the Titans signed him to be an emergency starter. Was only here for a fortnight, but he told the guys on Bussin' with the Boys "hey that team has got something going on....man, you feel it every day, they're different." He had no reason to sing Detroit's praises, that was as genuine and authentic of an endorsement as you'll find. Za'Darius Smith said last week "As soon as I went to my first practice, I saw they have something different going on here." He said what impressed him most was the accountability aspect. It's not just that the coaches are on everyone's ***, it's that as soon as you have a missed assignment all your teammates are pointing out what you need to work on. Nobody gets a pass, nothing is like "oh that's pretty close, good enough." Dan Campbell told a (unidentified) young guy "hey if your mom's life depended on you winning this rep, could you do it? OK, so explain to me why you're not winning your one-on-one battle. Because if it's not life or death to you, if it doesn't mean everything to not let the guy next to you down, then why are you here?"

It's sounds insanely intense....but somehow Dan Campbell makes it sound impassioned, it's like I'm not trying to embarrass you or make you feel like crap, I'm trying to pull something out of inside you that you might not even know is there.
 
The Lions have 3 big things going in their favor that have people loving them

1. Good vibes, from Hard Knocks to Campbell, just guys having fun and working their butts off
2. Everyone loves a redemption story after decades of disappointment
3. They are so fun to watch, no other team plays quite like them

That's on point, brother man.

Just to amplify that, there is a nostalgic aspect to this team that resonates with people. It's football the way it was meant to be played. They have plenty of talent but it's not the collection of skills. It's the unified spirit. Nobody is bigger than the team. We're stronger not because the 45th man is a talent but because the 65th guy really is capable of being the next man up.

Joshua Dobbs had a cup of coffee with the Lions around Nov/Dec 2022, and the Titans signed him to be an emergency starter. Was only here for a fortnight, but he told the guys on Bussin' with the Boys "hey that team has got something going on....man, you feel it every day, they're different." He had no reason to sing Detroit's praises, that was as genuine and authentic of an endorsement as you'll find. Za'Darius Smith said last week "As soon as I went to my first practice, I saw they have something different going on here." He said what impressed him most was the accountability aspect. It's not just that the coaches are on everyone's ***, it's that as soon as you have a missed assignment all your teammates are pointing out what you need to work on. Nobody gets a pass, nothing is like "oh that's pretty close, good enough." Dan Campbell told a (unidentified) young guy "hey if your mom's life depended on you winning this rep, could you do it? OK, so explain to me why you're not winning your one-on-one battle. Because if it's not life or death to you, if it doesn't mean everything to not let the guy next to you down, then why are you here?"

It's sounds insanely intense....but somehow Dan Campbell makes it sound impassioned, it's like I'm not trying to embarrass you or make you feel like crap, I'm trying to pull something out of inside you that you might not even know is there.
100% on all that but I also have to give a ton of praise to Brad Holmes who pulled off the perfect rebuild and has very quickly made this one of the most talented rosters in the NFL. Best Backfield in the league, that's really not a question. I think most agree it's the best OL as well. Amon Ra isn't a perfect WR but what he does, he does as well as anyone in the league. Jamo is one of the best big play specialists any offense has. Last year, the secondary was literally the reason the Lions weren't a SB winning team. Today, the secondary is the strength of the defense. Probably the best safety duo in the league. A really good trio of CBs who lock up WRs in man coverage down after down. And Alim McNeil is still one of the best players most fans don't know. Him and DJ Reader are among the best DT duos playing football today. These are guys with the right skills and the right mentality. I didn't even mention a top 3 edge rusher in the league because we are doing most of this without him.
 
Three and Out: In Build and Spirit, these Lions are the modern day Bad Boys

Justin Rogers | Detroit Football Network (Substack)

Rather compare this Lions team to the mid 2000's "Going to Work" Pistons

Won the championship in 2004 utilizing the total team effort, no egos, no mega-stars
4 of 5 starters in the All Star game in 2005
6 consecutive Eastern Conference Finals!
Key addition of adding Rasheed Wallace midway through the 04 season

Zadarius Smith showed up to the Jacksonville game sporting a Wallace jersey :)
 
Three and Out: In Build and Spirit, these Lions are the modern day Bad Boys

Justin Rogers | Detroit Football Network (Substack)

Rather compare this Lions team to the mid 2000's "Going to Work" Pistons

Won the championship in 2004 utilizing the total team effort, no egos, no mega-stars
4 of 5 starters in the All Star game in 2005
6 consecutive Eastern Conference Finals!
Key addition of adding Rasheed Wallace midway through the 04 season

Zadarius Smith showed up to the Jacksonville game sporting a Wallace jersey :)
Give me the Bad Boys still. Back to Back titles, 3 Finals Appearances, 5 consecutive Conf Finals. But yeah love this team so much. Loved those two teams just as much.
 
Three and Out: In Build and Spirit, these Lions are the modern day Bad Boys

Justin Rogers | Detroit Football Network (Substack)

Rather compare this Lions team to the mid 2000's "Going to Work" Pistons

Won the championship in 2004 utilizing the total team effort, no egos, no mega-stars
4 of 5 starters in the All Star game in 2005
6 consecutive Eastern Conference Finals!
Key addition of adding Rasheed Wallace midway through the 04 season

Zadarius Smith showed up to the Jacksonville game sporting a Wallace jersey :)
Give me the Bad Boys still. Back to Back titles, 3 Finals Appearances, 5 consecutive Conf Finals. But yeah love this team so much. Loved those two teams just as much.

It is exceedingly rare to see linear progression in the NFL. But common to all the other team sports in Detroit.

The 1984 Tigers were, pretty much. Tram, Whitaker, Parrish, Morris, Petry, Lemon - the entire middle of the field came together around the same time. Had a pennant race in 1981 (strike shortened season), finished 2nd in 1983, then the juggernaut of a 35-5 start in the Championship year. Kept it together until the bottom fell out in late August/September 1988. Still cannot believe Leyland never won a title with all that talent.

The back to back Red Wings in 1997 & 1998 had been building awhile. Won the Presidents trophy a few times, finally won the Cup from the 3 seed. Playoff hockey was so dramatically different from the regular season back then. True dynasty but that first cup in 42 years with the Russian Five was pretty special.

Pistons in the late 80s went a little further each year.

That doesn't happen in football as much. Teams take a step forward on a 4th place/3rd place schedule, lose a WC playoff, take two steps back the next year on a 2nd place schedule. The Lions were on that mediocrity cycle forever. What Campbell said immediately after the 49ers loss was true. Lots of teams have a great year, fall short, and never make it back that far. The focus and intensity of this team is awesome, but in the back of my mind I'm like "OK, so far we're a freight train, but we can't peak now. Have to be playing our best in two months." There are ebbs and flows to every season, and Campbell said yesterday "We're not out of the weeds. We're going to hit adversity again, I can promise you that. We'll see how they respond. I think we're built to endure that."
 

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