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2025 Detroit Lions: 0-0 Rags retires before camp. (36 Viewers)

59. Demetrius Knight Jr., LB, South Carolina​

A former quarterback, you wouldn’t know it with Knight’s physical style of play. A plus athlete, he plays with an unusual level of patience as a run defender, digesting the moving parts of a play before committing to a run gap. Knight shows strong proficiency in his ability to take on and shed blockers in pursuit of the ball. In coverage, he could use more urgency with his zone drops. Regardless, he plays with confidence, no matter the assignments. He’s also a multi-phase special teams contributor.

How he’d fit: Not to be repetitive about linebacking prospects, but Knight would have a difficult time seeing defensive snaps without an injury to a starter in 2025. He could factor into the rotation in his second season, whether as a starter replacing Anzalone or a top reserve. He would provide early contributions on special teams.

60. Jonas Sanker, S, Virginia​

A versatile defensive back with snaps deep and in the slot, the six-foot, 206-pounder is at his best in the box, where he can deploy his aggressive downhill mentality to disrupt short throws and screens and contribute to the run game. His competitiveness jumps off the screen, and his extensive contributions on special teams, particularly on the coverage units, should make him an ideal backup safety with starting potential.

How he’d fit: Sanker could be a high-level contributor on special teams immediately while filling Detroit’s critical need for a No. 3 safety.

Next 15​

Azareye’d Thomas, CB, Florida State
Jordan Burch, Edge, Oregon
Jared Wilson, C, Georgia
Nohl Williams, CB, Cal
Jordan Phillips, DT, Maryland
Jack Sawyer, Edge, Ohio State
Jalen Royals, WR, Utah State
Malachi Moore, S, Alabama
Dylan Fairchild, G, Georgia
Andrew Mukuba, S, Texas
Marcus Mbow, G, Purdue
Josiah Stewart, Edge, Michigan
Joshua Farmer, DT, Florida State
T.J. Sanders, DT, South Carolina
Danny Stutsman, LB, Oklahoma



I'm guessing he ran out of steam after 60 lol.....
 
Trade rumors swirling about Jamo and he removed the Lions from his social media.

Anything to see here?
It's the hard to say imo. Things get made up or floated, but once in a while there is something real. For instance can anyone confirm that he was ever really there to start with, or does he mainly post from his own site.
 
Trade rumors swirling about Jamo and he removed the Lions from his social media.

Anything to see here?
It's the hard to say imo. Things get made up or floated, but once in a while there is something real. For instance can anyone confirm that he was ever really there to start with, or does he mainly post from his own site.
Its hard to see them giving him the big extension he likely wants. They already paid Goff, Amon-Ra, Sewell, and I think Gibbs and LaPorta are bigger priorities when they come up. I also think there is some sentiment that Ben Johnson sort of made Williams a bit, just did a great job scheming up open looks, but that sometimes made the offense more boom/bust than Campbell would like, and that the new OC wouldn't be as willing to do that.

I do think Brad Holmes could see right now as the moment to "sell high" for those reasons, plus Williams is a bit of a knucklehead. I don't imagine they'd get more than a 3rd rounder for him though.
 
With this being a weaker receiver draft I think the time may be right if the offer for Jamo is adequate. I cannot imagine they are going to extend him with others coming up in the pipeline. His speed can be replaced by a cheaper option.
 
Their Super Bowl window is open now. There's no way that they trade him for a 3rd round pick that isn't going to help them win this year.

I agree that he probably isn't going to get an extension, but moving him would open a huge hole on the team THIS year that a draft pick isn't going to fill.
 
Their Super Bowl window is open now. There's no way that they trade him for a 3rd round pick that isn't going to help them win this year.

I agree that he probably isn't going to get an extension, but moving him would open a huge hole on the team THIS year that a draft pick isn't going to fill.
I tend to agree with this, even a good rookie with an early pick might not replace him and now you can't draft a defensive player with that early pick.
 
Their Super Bowl window is open now. There's no way that they trade him for a 3rd round pick that isn't going to help them win this year.

I agree that he probably isn't going to get an extension, but moving him would open a huge hole on the team THIS year that a draft pick isn't going to fill.
I tend to agree with this, even a good rookie with an early pick might not replace him and now you can't draft a defensive player with that early pick.

I am with this too. Unless this is a massive move up the draft or for another really good player it would be dumb to trade him now and only hurt their chances this year.

And I also think they should let him walk and get a comp pick when the time comes.
 
Their Super Bowl window is open now. There's no way that they trade him for a 3rd round pick that isn't going to help them win this year.

I agree that he probably isn't going to get an extension, but moving him would open a huge hole on the team THIS year that a draft pick isn't going to fill.
They aren't moving him. A WR with his talent on a cheap contract with a Super Bowl contender isn't going anywhere.
 
Listening to a lot of draft talk and I heard several times credit being given to the Lions for being in the forefront of innovative thinking. One topic was the Lions becoming the leader in 4 down offense with other teams now catching up by going for it on 4th down more. There was some criticism about the Lions being hyper-aggressive to their detriment at times. A criticism that I share but should not take away from the positive changes Campbell has brought to the psyche of both players and fans.
Another topic was the selection of Gibbs with the 12th choice in the draft. The Gibbs selection seems to be viewed by many as a pivot or turning point by the NFL going back to the importance of the run game. The heat that Holmes received for the Gibbs choice was mentioned and now seems laughable.
I think it interesting that the Eagles, league champions, are certainly advocates of 4 down offense particularly with their innovation of the tush push and the Eagles also emphasize the running game as shown by their signing and utilization of Saquon Barkley.
 
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Though the Lions as I mention above are being given credit for innovative thinking, there does not seem to be a lot of buzz about their chances this year. Perhaps the Eagles SB dominating win and the Lions demoralizing loss as top seed contribute to this. Also the Lions' extremely difficult schedule and loss of both coordinators are seen as reasons for pessimism and for the Lions to regress.
To me I think both Holmes and Campbell are being sold short. I think Campbell is an offensive minded bright coach and there will be continuity after some initial working things through. Holmes has done an excellent job of identifying talent though this becomes more difficult the farther back we draft. Further, the Lions defense is far more likely to be healthy than it was last year. We do not know about Sheppard yet but I think the Lions will continue to add defensive players through the draft.
Holmes and Campbell have been praised for their ability to develop players which beautifully coincides with Holmes' desire to build the Lions through the draft. Looking forward to the draft.
 
Though the Lions as I mention above are being given credit for innovative thinking, there does not seem to be a lot of buzz about their chances this year. Perhaps the Eagles SB dominating win and the Lions demoralizing loss as top seed contribute to this. Also the Lions' extremely difficult schedule and loss of both coordinators are seen as reasons for pessimism and for the Lions to regress.
To me I think both Holmes and Campbell are being sold short. I think Campbell is an offensive minded bright coach and there will be continuity after some initial working things through. Holmes has done an excellent job of identifying talent though this becomes more difficult the farther back we draft. Further, the Lions defense is far more likely to be healthy than it was last year. We do not know about Sheppard yet but I think the Lions will continue to add defensive players through the draft.
Holmes and Campbell have been praised for their ability to develop players which beautifully coincides with Holmes' desire to build the Lions through the draft. Looking forward to the draft.
I don't think the first bolded comment is necessarily true precisely because of the second bolded comment.

Isn't it funny how the same teams are picking in the back half of rounds every year? And how the same franchises are picking towards the top? Obviously, there's some movement either way as teams figure it out and some forget it. I'm guessing Detroit is going to be picking in the 20s/30s most years for a good while.
 
I'll just say, IF they trade Jamo, it will tell me that Brad isn't serious about a Super Bowl. He is more interested in long term sustainability.
I tend to already feel that way with his lack of urgency in the free agent market.

If you're serious about winning, you don't worry about two years down the road and the "bills" that will be due.
The cap goes up. Players will move on. Replacements will be drafted.

If you are serious, you keep Jamo for the next two years and then move on from him.
 
I'll just say, IF they trade Jamo, it will tell me that Brad isn't serious about a Super Bowl. He is more interested in long term sustainability.
I tend to already feel that way with his lack of urgency in the free agent market.

If you're serious about winning, you don't worry about two years down the road and the "bills" that will be due.
The cap goes up. Players will move on. Replacements will be drafted.

If you are serious, you keep Jamo for the next two years and then move on from him.

Not serious isn't the right phrasing.

Holmes thinks he can win a Super Bowl with what he has while continuing to build for the future. History says you can't, unless you have an all time great at QB and even those guys/teams had mini resets during their runs.

Maybe Holmes pulls it off, and time will tell, because five years from now we will be sitting here saying Holmes really should have went all in, or we will be saying Holmes really pulled off the impossible.
 
Though the Lions as I mention above are being given credit for innovative thinking, there does not seem to be a lot of buzz about their chances this year. Perhaps the Eagles SB dominating win and the Lions demoralizing loss as top seed contribute to this. Also the Lions' extremely difficult schedule and loss of both coordinators are seen as reasons for pessimism and for the Lions to regress.
To me I think both Holmes and Campbell are being sold short. I think Campbell is an offensive minded bright coach and there will be continuity after some initial working things through. Holmes has done an excellent job of identifying talent though this becomes more difficult the farther back we draft. Further, the Lions defense is far more likely to be healthy than it was last year. We do not know about Sheppard yet but I think the Lions will continue to add defensive players through the draft.
Holmes and Campbell have been praised for their ability to develop players which beautifully coincides with Holmes' desire to build the Lions through the draft. Looking forward to the draft.

I'm not saying the Lions can't win a Super Bowl, but I don't think their path to the Super Bowl will be any easier than it was going to be last season. All they had to do was win two home games in a dome and then go to New Orleans and win a neutral site game . . . in a dome. Goff's splits in domes are crazy good. You couldn't set up a better scenario for them and they still couldn't pull it off. I'm not sure I trust Jared Goff if he has to go outdoors, on the road, in late January, to play in a game where weather could be an issue. His playoff numbers are bad and just get progressively worse the deeper his teams go.
 
Though the Lions as I mention above are being given credit for innovative thinking, there does not seem to be a lot of buzz about their chances this year. Perhaps the Eagles SB dominating win and the Lions demoralizing loss as top seed contribute to this. Also the Lions' extremely difficult schedule and loss of both coordinators are seen as reasons for pessimism and for the Lions to regress.
To me I think both Holmes and Campbell are being sold short. I think Campbell is an offensive minded bright coach and there will be continuity after some initial working things through. Holmes has done an excellent job of identifying talent though this becomes more difficult the farther back we draft. Further, the Lions defense is far more likely to be healthy than it was last year. We do not know about Sheppard yet but I think the Lions will continue to add defensive players through the draft.
Holmes and Campbell have been praised for their ability to develop players which beautifully coincides with Holmes' desire to build the Lions through the draft. Looking forward to the draft.

I'm not saying the Lions can't win a Super Bowl, but I don't think their path to the Super Bowl will be any easier than it was going to be last season. All they had to do was win two home games in a dome and then go to New Orleans and win a neutral site game . . . in a dome. Goff's splits in domes are crazy good. You couldn't set up a better scenario for them and they still couldn't pull it off. I'm not sure I trust Jared Goff if he has to go outdoors, on the road, in late January, to play in a game where weather could be an issue. His playoff numbers are bad and just get progressively worse the deeper his teams go.

Respectfully, you’re an idiot.

Goff played outstanding in all 3 rounds of the NFL playoffs in 2023.
 
Jake Fromm has been released.

Wonder if they would swap out Hooker for Jaylen Milroe. Doubtful he falls to 60 or 102 but wouldn’t shock me if they move on from Hendon. Unlikely to get more than a Day 3 pick for him due to his age and inexperience.
 
Though the Lions as I mention above are being given credit for innovative thinking, there does not seem to be a lot of buzz about their chances this year. Perhaps the Eagles SB dominating win and the Lions demoralizing loss as top seed contribute to this. Also the Lions' extremely difficult schedule and loss of both coordinators are seen as reasons for pessimism and for the Lions to regress.
To me I think both Holmes and Campbell are being sold short. I think Campbell is an offensive minded bright coach and there will be continuity after some initial working things through. Holmes has done an excellent job of identifying talent though this becomes more difficult the farther back we draft. Further, the Lions defense is far more likely to be healthy than it was last year. We do not know about Sheppard yet but I think the Lions will continue to add defensive players through the draft.
Holmes and Campbell have been praised for their ability to develop players which beautifully coincides with Holmes' desire to build the Lions through the draft. Looking forward to the draft.

I'm not saying the Lions can't win a Super Bowl, but I don't think their path to the Super Bowl will be any easier than it was going to be last season. All they had to do was win two home games in a dome and then go to New Orleans and win a neutral site game . . . in a dome. Goff's splits in domes are crazy good. You couldn't set up a better scenario for them and they still couldn't pull it off. I'm not sure I trust Jared Goff if he has to go outdoors, on the road, in late January, to play in a game where weather could be an issue. His playoff numbers are bad and just get progressively worse the deeper his teams go.
People wrote off the Eagles in 2024 after their collapse in 2023. Lions failed in the playoffs last year due to injuries on defense. Lets see what happens this year with a healthy D.
 
While I would probably prefer a first pick on defense, there are a couple good offense linemen that are possibilities tomorrow. Grey Zabel has the great flexibility, but I'm starting to warm up to Alabama's Tyler Booker. 25 of his 26 career starts coming at left guard, did not allow a single sack in 370 pass-blocking opportunities.
 
Though the Lions as I mention above are being given credit for innovative thinking, there does not seem to be a lot of buzz about their chances this year. Perhaps the Eagles SB dominating win and the Lions demoralizing loss as top seed contribute to this. Also the Lions' extremely difficult schedule and loss of both coordinators are seen as reasons for pessimism and for the Lions to regress.
To me I think both Holmes and Campbell are being sold short. I think Campbell is an offensive minded bright coach and there will be continuity after some initial working things through. Holmes has done an excellent job of identifying talent though this becomes more difficult the farther back we draft. Further, the Lions defense is far more likely to be healthy than it was last year. We do not know about Sheppard yet but I think the Lions will continue to add defensive players through the draft.
Holmes and Campbell have been praised for their ability to develop players which beautifully coincides with Holmes' desire to build the Lions through the draft. Looking forward to the draft.

I'm not saying the Lions can't win a Super Bowl, but I don't think their path to the Super Bowl will be any easier than it was going to be last season. All they had to do was win two home games in a dome and then go to New Orleans and win a neutral site game . . . in a dome. Goff's splits in domes are crazy good. You couldn't set up a better scenario for them and they still couldn't pull it off. I'm not sure I trust Jared Goff if he has to go outdoors, on the road, in late January, to play in a game where weather could be an issue. His playoff numbers are bad and just get progressively worse the deeper his teams go.

Respectfully, you’re an idiot.

Goff played outstanding in all 3 rounds of the NFL playoffs in 2023.

Jared Goff QB rating in the 2023 playoffs:

WC (dome): 121.8
DIV (dome): 103.5
NFCCG (outdoors): 88.8

Completion percentage:

WC: 81.5%
DIV: 69.8%
NFCCG: 61%

Like I said, he gets progressively worse the deeper his team goes and his dome/outdoor splits there is a noticeable drop off.

EDIT: Good lord, I didn't realize just how bad Goff was in the 2nd half of that NFCCG. Up 24-7 and then he really crapped the bed right up until the 49ers played prevent with 3 minutes to go in the game. Also, calling me an idiot, weren't you one of the handful of geniuses that said Nick Sirianni was one of the 5 worst coaches in the league? Talk about a bad take, at least I can support my position.
 
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4/86 for Kerby Joseph. He was awesome last year, but that's the biggest contract in Safety history for a guy with 1 really good season.

Almost 0% chance they are keeping Jameson Williams now in my opinion. I figured Joseph was gonna be a tough decision.
 
4/86 for Kerby Joseph. He was awesome last year, but that's the biggest contract in Safety history for a guy with 1 really good season.

Almost 0% chance they are keeping Jameson Williams now in my opinion. I figured Joseph was gonna be a tough decision.
Joseph and Branch are a great safety combo.
 
4/86 for Kerby Joseph. He was awesome last year, but that's the biggest contract in Safety history for a guy with 1 really good season.

Almost 0% chance they are keeping Jameson Williams now in my opinion. I figured Joseph was gonna be a tough decision.
Joseph and Branch are a great safety combo.
100% agree. Just surprised at the size of the deal, especially since Branch will cost quite a bit more next offseason.
 
All-pros are gonna reset the market when they're up for a new contract. I'd also say he's had more than 1 good year. Not all-pro good, but he's gotten better every year.
 
While I would probably prefer a first pick on defense, there are a couple good offense linemen that are possibilities tomorrow. Grey Zabel has the great flexibility, but I'm starting to warm up to Alabama's Tyler Booker. 25 of his 26 career starts coming at left guard, did not allow a single sack in 370 pass-blocking opportunities.

good point - I like Ratledge a lot but he almost surely is a RG only guy, though I feel confident Mahogany can make the switch since he had starts at both sides as a rookie and looked stellar
 
All-pros are gonna reset the market when they're up for a new contract. I'd also say he's had more than 1 good year. Not all-pro good, but he's gotten better every year.

was actually thought to be something of a project when he was drafted, ended up starting due to injuries and showed out pretty well

by PFF grade trav is right about 1 good year but the eyeball test is he's gotten better every year

plus he's a fun guy to have around
 
man I've looked all over the house, checked my work backpack and every pocket of every coat I've worn this year

still can't find a single **** to give to folks who wanna come into our thread and troll Goff's record



ETA

Goff won more playoff games for Detroit in one year than Stafford did in 12

plus last time I checked almost every NFL player has worse efficiency as the rounds progress - Brady being an obvious exception but I've yet to find anyone comparing the two

you're good enough for Detroit, Jared Goff

this is not and never has been a QB centric team even though he was a Pro Bowler in 2022 and 2024 (and declined the invite in 2023)

which is fine by me - decade plus of catering to every need and tip-toeing around a franchise quarterback never yielded the results MCDC has achieved

since Week 8 2022, not a single losing streak (37-11 .771)

8 teams have won more than 60% of their games since 2022:

KC 49-12 .803
PHI 45-14 .762
BUF 41-16 .719
DET 38-17 .691 (started 1-6 in '22; been .771 since then)
BAL 37-19 .661
MIN 34-19 .642
SF 35-22 .614
CIN 32-21 .604


JG has started every game

he's not the only reason they have been successful and he's not the reason they haven't won a SB the last two years
 
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Details on the Lions giving another top of the market contract (3rd one IIRC...Sewell, ARSB (for 1 day lol) and now KJ were all record deals when signed, plus 3 more (JG, Decker & Monty) that were commiserate with their level of performance.

Lions are making Kerby Joseph NFL's highest-paid safety with 4-year extension​

The Lions made it clear they wanted to lock up this offseason. On Wednesday, they got it done.

Allen Park
— The Detroit Lions made it clear they wanted to sign safety Kerby Joseph to an extension this offseason. On Wednesday, they got it done, reaching an agreement on a new four-year deal with the All-Pro.

According to the NFL Network, the deal is worth $86 million, making Joseph the highest-paid player at his position in the NFL. The $21.5-million average edges out the four-year, $84.1 million deal Antoine Winfield signed with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers last year.

The terms of Joseph's extension were identical to those outlined in our projection published last month.

A third-round draft pick in 2022, Joseph immediately demonstrated his playmaking ability after he entered the starting lineup, replacing an injured Tracy Walker.

Joseph recorded four interceptions and two forced fumbles in 14 starts that year, then followed it up with another four interceptions in 2023. Last year, he took his game to another level, pacing the league with nine interceptions while making notable improvements as a run defender and tackler.

At his season-ending press conference, general manager Brad Holmes made it clear that retaining Joseph was a priority.

"He's an All-Pro player and he's been — he's another one that's gotten better and better," Holmes said. "So he's one that has proven that he's a Detroit Lion. He fits. He fits our culture. It's hard to find ballhawk guys that will tackle like how he does, and I think that's what makes him unique. So again, we haven't had any intense dialogue about that yet, but obviously we want to keep the good players here."

The Joseph extension is the latest in a series of big-money deals the team has awarded its foundational group of talent. Last year, the team reached long-term agreements with quarterback Jared Goff, offensive tackle Penei Sewell, Amon-Ra St. Brown, defensive tackle Alim McNeill, offensive tackle Taylor Decker and running back David Montgomery.

The team is also working toward locking up defensive end Aidan Hutchinson, who has the potential to earn the largest contract for a non-quarterback in NFL history.
 

Mock Draft Mania: Using different simulators to generate 7 three-round projections for the Detroit Lions​


Allen Park — As a young writer, doing a first-round mock draft was a thrill. As my career matured, they became a chore.

Some of the burden was my obsessive approach. I'd pore through local reporting for each team, learning about roster needs and drafting trends, attempting to slot the most logical prospect at each slot. From start to finish, producing a mock would take 8-12 hours. Of course, much of the audience I was writing for was skimming to get to the Detroit Lions' projection, reading those few paragraphs and moving on with their day.

Still, readership metrics on mock drafts were undeniable. My bosses would've happily taken a fresh projection every few weeks. We settled on three: One following the combine, another after free agency, with a final stab on the eve of the draft.

This year, I haven't done one. It's been refreshing, plus there are plenty of others who can fill that speculative void. I opted to invest my draft prep into different avenues, with a heavy emphasis on film. It wasn't necessarily better because it was still a massive amount of work put into a bunch of players who will never wear a Lions uniform, but ignoring the draft in the months leading up to the event was never an option.

And one thing about mock drafts, particularly those written early in the offseason, is they are a tool to familiarize yourself with the prospects, especially the top-tier talent likely to be selected in the first 50 or so picks. Not every NFL fan is a college football fan, so there's value to this introduction.

However, with the draft later this week, I was feeling a tinge of regret for not participating in the mock game. So here I am, with the finish line in sight, joining the race.

However, I'm doing things differently than I have in the past. No more reading up on the Colts, Commanders and Chargers. Instead, I'm keeping my focus firmly on the team I cover.

There are several mock draft simulators out there that allow me to do that. I've rounded up seven of them and took the following approach.

  • One run-through each with no re-dos
  • No trades
  • First three rounds only (I'm not crazy)
So, instead of one mock draft, here are seven. Included are the picks for Detroit at 28, 60 and 102, the other prospects I considered at each spot, and some thoughts on how things went for each. Enjoy.

Pro Football Focus​

The picks: DT Derrick Harmon, Edge Oluwafemi Oladejo, Edge Ashton Gillotte

Other considerations at No. 28: OT Josh Simmons, Edge Nic Scourton, Edge James Pearce Jr, OG Donovan Jackson

Other considerations at No. 60: S Kevin Winston Jr., OT Aireontae Ersery, guard Tate Ratledge, OL Jonah Savaiinaea

Other considerations at No. 102: Safety Jonah Sanker, CB Nohl Williams, LB Danny Stutsman

Thoughts: Things got a little weird out of the gate with this exercise, although I'm sure plenty of fans wouldn't be upset if Detroit's draft went this way.

Being able to stand pat and land Harmon would be an excellent start to the draft for the Lions. He's got size, length, versatility, and the ability to disrupt in the backfield.

Simmons was the option that gave me the most pause. Before tearing his ACL, the athletic offensive tackle was tracking toward top-10 consideration. A high school guard, he could play inside to start his career and eventually replace Taylor Decker.

In hindsight, I might have let the team's long-term need for an edge pressure me into selecting Oladejo when I had Savaiinaea and Ersery slightly higher on this week's Lions-centric Big Board. Yep, I'm guilty of chasing a need, reinforcing why I'm not qualified to be a general manager.

Then, to have Gillotte there in the third round really hammered the point home. Regardless, I don't view taking edge defenders with back-to-back picks as a negative, and we know general manager Brad Holmes won't hesitate to double-dip. Justifying it further, I see Oladejo and Gillotte as having different strengths and styles that complement each other, reducing concerns of redundancy.

Still, I would have felt better about the balance at the top of this class if I had addressed a different area of the roster with one of the three selections.

ESPN​

The picks: Edge Shemar Stewart, WR Jack Bech, S Jonas Sanker

Other considerations at No. 28: Edge Donovan Ezeiruaku, DT Walter Nolen, DT Kenneth Grant, WR Emeka Egbuka

Other considerations at No. 60: CB Benjamin Morrison, DT Omarr Norman-Lott, Edge Nic Scourton, Edge Landon Jackson, Guard Tate Ratledge

Other considerations at No. 102: Edge Ashton Gillotte, LB Demetrius Knight Jr., IOL Dylan Fairchild

Thoughts: Like Harmon, Stewart falling into the Lions’ lap would be a coup. He offers a rare combination of size and elite athleticism on the edge, making him a natural long-term replacement for Marcus Davenport opposite Aidan Hutchinson.

There’s an obvious level of projection with Stewart, given he mustered just 4.5 sacks during his three-year college career. Still, you can comfortably bank on defensive line coach Kacy Rodgers squeezing production out of the prospect’s potential.

In the second round, the best value would have been taking a second edge rusher in Scourton or Jackson. However, unlike the Oladejo/Giolotte selections in the previous simulation, I see more overlap between the available pair and what Stewart offers.

That left me with a coin flip between Ratledge and Bech, who I had back-to-back on the Big Board. I went with the receiver because the position would be more difficult to fill later in the draft, based on the way the board was falling. Bech’s ultra-competitive playing style would mesh well in Detroit, giving the team a sure-handed pass catcher comfortable operating across the middle, as well as an eager perimeter blocker.

As for the third round, Sanker is a prospect who would be a great fit at that spot, providing a much-needed third safety on the depth chart with high-ceiling potential as a special teams contributor.

Pro Football Network​

The picks: DT Kenneth Grant, WR Jayden Higgins, LB Demetrius Knight Jr.

Other considerations at No. 28: DT Walter Nolen, IOL Grey Zabel, WR Emeka Egbuka

Other considerations at No. 60: Edge Oluwafemi Oladejo, Guard Tate Ratledge

Other considerations at No. 102: OL Emery Jones, IOL Miles Frazier, WR Tory Holton, LB Smael Mondon Jr.

Thoughts: Although I wasn’t able to address any immediate needs, I leaned into selecting the best players on the board. In this scenario, the Lions would reap the rewards in 2026 and beyond, if not sooner, due to an unforeseen injury.

Grant, the athletic Michigan nose tackle, checked in at 13 on our Big Board. There’s quite a bit of redundancy with DJ Reader and free-agent addition Roy Lopez as an early-down, space-eating nose tackle. However, both veterans will be playing on contracts that expire at the end of the year. Grant has a ceiling reminiscent of Reader in his prime, with a little more pass-rush production.

Moving to the second round, I was thrilled to see Higgins still on the board after he checked in at No. 29 on our pre-draft rankings. Yes, I could have reached for Oladejo’s upside at a spot where many see the bigger roster need, but the Iowa State receiver is a perfect fit as a long-term X receiver to replace Tim Patrick, who turns 32 later this year.

With the way the board developed as the third round progressed, trying to trade up to secure an edge like Oladejo or a guard like Ratledge would have made sense. But that wasn’t an option in this exercise. By the time I was back on the clock, those positions were picked over.

Instead, I selected another potential 2026 replacement with Knight, a converted quarterback who has developed into a well-rounded off-ball linebacker. He could eventually step in for Anzalone if the two sides don’t come together on an extension.
 

The Draft Network​

The picks: Edge Mykell Williams, IOL Grey Zabel, Kevin Winston Jr.

Other considerations at No. 28: OT Josh Simmons, Edge Donovan Ezeiruaku, IOL Grey Zabel, Edge Mike Green

Other considerations at No. 60: LB Carson Schwesinger, DT Tyleik Williams, IOL Tyler Booker

Other considerations at No. 102: DT Alfred Collins, DT Joshua Farmer, LB Danny Stutsman, Edge Ashton Gillotte

Thoughts: Last week, I wrote about four players the Lions should consider trading up to secure in the first round. Williams is the third to make it to 28 through four simulations. (The fourth, offensive lineman Kelvin Banks Jr., never gets to Detroit in seven tries.)

Like Stewart, Williams has the frame, athleticism, and projectable upside that could be paired with Hutchinson for years to come. Adding to the fit is the Georgia defender’s violent playing style.

In terms of the other edge rushing options available to Detroit in this scenario, Williams is a better scheme fit than Ezeiruaku as a three-down player. Meanwhile, Green has the potential to be an outstanding pro. Still, I continue to question whether the Lions would be willing to bring on a prospect who has faced two sexual assault allegations, even if neither materialized into charges.

The draft (Network) gods continued to be kind as this projection developed, with Zabel sliding to 60. It’s the only time the North Dakota State lineman was available this late, just as this was the only simulation where Williams was there at 28.

A college left tackle, Zabel is a near-lock to move inside at the next level. He has the athleticism and nasty demeanor for the role, even if he’ll need to continue to add strength. He would challenge for a starting guard job immediately and has the potential to reinforce the depth chart as a long-term backup to center Frank Ragnow.

Finally, Winston offers solid value as a replacement for Ifeatu Melifonwu, who was drafted at nearly the same spot in 2021. Coming off a season-ending knee injury, the Penn State product has a great frame, is comfortable playing in the box, and has the length and speed to play deep or cover a tight end in the slot.

Mock Draft Database​

The picks: OT Josh Simmons, WR Jayden Higgins, Edge Ashton Gillotte

Other considerations at No. 28: LB Jihaad Campbell, DT Kenneth Grant, DT Walter Nolen, Edge Nic Scourton, IOL Grey Zabel

Other considerations at No. 60: LB Carson Schwesinger, Edge Landon Jackson, S Xavier Watts, Edge Oluwafemi Oladejo

Other considerations at No. 102: CB Nohl Williams, LB Danny Statsman, S Jonas Sanker

Thoughts: It wasn't egregious, but I went against the Big Board taking Simmons over Campbell. After publishing that list, I questioned whether I was too low on the offensive lineman who could start at guard as a rookie. Additionally, we can consider this a positional-value selection, even if it contradicts Holmes' approach to the draft.

There's no need to rehash Higgins' credentials or fit. However, passing over Jackson, a good scheme fit at a position of need, wasn't easy. Ask me again in 15 minutes, and I could easily change my mind.

As for Schwesinger, I like the player, but not as much as I initially thought when compiling the Big Board. I found myself repeatedly passing over the UCLA linebacker for another option.

In the third, Gillotte is an easy choice. It scratches the team's itch for an edge defender with a high-motor player who can hold his own against the run. He’s not necessarily an ideal long-term starting option opposite Hutchinson, but Gillotte could take over Josh Paschal's roster spot and role starting in 2026.

NFL Draft Buzz​

The picks: TE Tyler Warren, IOL Donovan Jackson, DT Darius Alexander

Other considerations at No. 28: DT Derrick Harmon, LB Jihaad Campbell, LB Jalon Walker, S Malaki Starks, WR Emeka Egbuka

Other considerations at No. 60: WR Jack Bech, WR Elic Ayomanor, LB Carson Schwesinger

Other considerations at No. 102: S Kevin Winston Jr., DT Jordan Phillips, LB Smael Mondon Jr., CB Nohl Williams

Thoughts: This simulation must have had a "buzz" with Warren being available to Detroit. I'll readily admit it's far from a need, but there was no chance I was passing up the opportunity to add elite talent. Plus, the hypothetical pairing with Sam LaPorta would be formidable.

Adding to the craziness of this scenario are the other compelling options still on the board, including Harmon and Walker. The Georgia rush linebacker's upside is immense, even if I struggle to see how he'd fit into Detroit's scheme following the re-signing of Derrick Barnes.

At this point, it wasn't easy to take this scenario seriously. Jackson being available in the second was also unique to this simulator, although less silly than Warren at the end of the first. Getting a plug-and-play guard of Jackson's caliber at No. 60 was a no-brainer.

Adding Alexander in the third was the icing on this cake. No. 45 on our Big Board, the Toledo standout is undervalued on many pre-draft rankings. Yes, he's going to be making a significant jump in competition. Still, former teammate Quinyon Mitchell proved it's far from a stretch. Alexander offers good size, length and athleticism as a well-rounded 3-technique.

Stick to the Model​

The picks: Edge Donovan Ezeiruaku, WR Jack Bech, S Jonas Sanker

Other considerations at No. 28: WR Emeka Egbuka, IOL Grey Zabel, Edge Nic Scourton,

Other considerations at No. 60: Safety Kevin Winston Jr., G Tate Ratledge, DT Omarr Norman-Lott, LB Demetrius Knight

Other considerations at No. 102: OL Emery Jones, DT Jordan Phillips, LB Danny Stutsman, LB Smael Mondon Jr.

Thoughts: Ezeiruaku isn’t my favorite edge prospect for Detroit because of his smaller frame. However, there’s no denying his advanced feel for getting after the quarterback. If that translates, you can live with some of the struggles he might have defending the run.

While I could see Ebuka in play for Detroit at 28, particularly if the front office is confident they won’t be signing Jameson Williams to a long-term extension, Ezeiruaku is the better value.

That decision led to taking Bech in the second round for a second time. There’s less upside with the TCU standout, but he’s a culture fit of a caliber similar to Ebuka.

And in the third round, it’s another repeat with Sanker. It was an easier choice this time, with the way this board fell. Emery Jones was option B in this hypothetical. The LSU right tackle is an outstanding run blocker who could potentially play guard.
 
man I've looked all over the house, checked my work backpack and every pocket of every coat I've worn this year

still can't find a single **** to give to folks who wanna come into our thread and troll Goff's record



ETA

Goff won more playoff games for Detroit in one year than Stafford did in 12

plus last time I checked almost every NFL player has worse efficiency as the rounds progress - Brady being an obvious exception but I've yet to find anyone comparing the two

you're good enough for Detroit, Jared Goff

this is not and never has been a QB centric team even though he was a Pro Bowler in 2022 and 2024 (and declined the invite in 2023)

which is fine by me - decade plus of catering to every need and tip-toeing around a franchise quarterback never yielded the results MCDC has achieved

since Week 8 2022, not a single losing streak (37-11 .771)

8 teams have won more than 60% of their games since 2022:

KC 49-12 .803
PHI 45-14 .762
BUF 41-16 .719
DET 38-17 .691 (started 1-6 in '22; been .771 since then)
BAL 37-19 .661
MIN 34-19 .642
SF 35-22 .614
CIN 32-21 .604


JG has started every game

he's not the only reason they have been successful and he's not the reason they haven't won a SB the last two years

This isn't really a fair comparison. Stafford didn't have the team around him that Goff does.

Plus to be fair Stafford went to the Rams and won a super bowl his first year, something Goff couldn't do.

And I don't think Stafford is much different than Goff in qb rankings.
 
Though the Lions as I mention above are being given credit for innovative thinking, there does not seem to be a lot of buzz about their chances this year. Perhaps the Eagles SB dominating win and the Lions demoralizing loss as top seed contribute to this. Also the Lions' extremely difficult schedule and loss of both coordinators are seen as reasons for pessimism and for the Lions to regress.
To me I think both Holmes and Campbell are being sold short. I think Campbell is an offensive minded bright coach and there will be continuity after some initial working things through. Holmes has done an excellent job of identifying talent though this becomes more difficult the farther back we draft. Further, the Lions defense is far more likely to be healthy than it was last year. We do not know about Sheppard yet but I think the Lions will continue to add defensive players through the draft.
Holmes and Campbell have been praised for their ability to develop players which beautifully coincides with Holmes' desire to build the Lions through the draft. Looking forward to the draft.

I'm not saying the Lions can't win a Super Bowl, but I don't think their path to the Super Bowl will be any easier than it was going to be last season. All they had to do was win two home games in a dome and then go to New Orleans and win a neutral site game . . . in a dome. Goff's splits in domes are crazy good. You couldn't set up a better scenario for them and they still couldn't pull it off. I'm not sure I trust Jared Goff if he has to go outdoors, on the road, in late January, to play in a game where weather could be an issue. His playoff numbers are bad and just get progressively worse the deeper his teams go.
People wrote off the Eagles in 2024 after their collapse in 2023. Lions failed in the playoffs last year due to injuries on defense. Lets see what happens this year with a healthy D.

The Lions probably would have lost in the playoffs last year due to injuries on defense if they beat the Commanders.

But they actually lost this year because of turnovers, and a bad game plan/coaching mistakes.
 
Though the Lions as I mention above are being given credit for innovative thinking, there does not seem to be a lot of buzz about their chances this year. Perhaps the Eagles SB dominating win and the Lions demoralizing loss as top seed contribute to this. Also the Lions' extremely difficult schedule and loss of both coordinators are seen as reasons for pessimism and for the Lions to regress.
To me I think both Holmes and Campbell are being sold short. I think Campbell is an offensive minded bright coach and there will be continuity after some initial working things through. Holmes has done an excellent job of identifying talent though this becomes more difficult the farther back we draft. Further, the Lions defense is far more likely to be healthy than it was last year. We do not know about Sheppard yet but I think the Lions will continue to add defensive players through the draft.
Holmes and Campbell have been praised for their ability to develop players which beautifully coincides with Holmes' desire to build the Lions through the draft. Looking forward to the draft.

I'm not saying the Lions can't win a Super Bowl, but I don't think their path to the Super Bowl will be any easier than it was going to be last season. All they had to do was win two home games in a dome and then go to New Orleans and win a neutral site game . . . in a dome. Goff's splits in domes are crazy good. You couldn't set up a better scenario for them and they still couldn't pull it off. I'm not sure I trust Jared Goff if he has to go outdoors, on the road, in late January, to play in a game where weather could be an issue. His playoff numbers are bad and just get progressively worse the deeper his teams go.

Respectfully, you’re an idiot.

Goff played outstanding in all 3 rounds of the NFL playoffs in 2023.
Another example of what I was trying to state earlier about this thread.
There are a handful in here who refuse to acknowledge or accept any negativity.
You are not allowed to question Brad, Goff or anything else the origination does.

This, however, is truly uncalled for. A difference of opinion does not warrant calling somebody an idiot.
 
I'll just say, IF they trade Jamo, it will tell me that Brad isn't serious about a Super Bowl. He is more interested in long term sustainability.
I tend to already feel that way with his lack of urgency in the free agent market.

If you're serious about winning, you don't worry about two years down the road and the "bills" that will be due.
The cap goes up. Players will move on. Replacements will be drafted.

If you are serious, you keep Jamo for the next two years and then move on from him.

Not serious isn't the right phrasing.

Holmes thinks he can win a Super Bowl with what he has while continuing to build for the future. History says you can't, unless you have an all time great at QB and even those guys/teams had mini resets during their runs.

Maybe Holmes pulls it off, and time will tell, because five years from now we will be sitting here saying Holmes really should have went all in, or we will be saying Holmes really pulled off the impossible.
You're right.....only time will tell.

However, I would rather go all in and fail than wonder what could have been. I would do whatever it took to give the team the best chance to win now while the window is there. Again, I don't think the window is as large as others do, but I'm not going to rehash this just for others to tell me I'm wrong.

Tonight is draft night! Looking forward to what they do.
 
I'll just say, IF they trade Jamo, it will tell me that Brad isn't serious about a Super Bowl. He is more interested in long term sustainability.
I tend to already feel that way with his lack of urgency in the free agent market.

If you're serious about winning, you don't worry about two years down the road and the "bills" that will be due.
The cap goes up. Players will move on. Replacements will be drafted.

If you are serious, you keep Jamo for the next two years and then move on from him.

Not serious isn't the right phrasing.

Holmes thinks he can win a Super Bowl with what he has while continuing to build for the future. History says you can't, unless you have an all time great at QB and even those guys/teams had mini resets during their runs.

Maybe Holmes pulls it off, and time will tell, because five years from now we will be sitting here saying Holmes really should have went all in, or we will be saying Holmes really pulled off the impossible.
You're right.....only time will tell.

However, I would rather go all in and fail than wonder what could have been. I would do whatever it took to give the team the best chance to win now while the window is there. Again, I don't think the window is as large as others do, but I'm not going to rehash this just for others to tell me I'm wrong.

Tonight is draft night! Looking forward to what they do.
I am as well. Obviously only a few holes need to be filled (unless there is any actual truth to these Jamo rumors, which I hope is not the case). DL/OL/S depth/WR depth… hopefully Brad can continue to make good things happen with the draft and we can all be excited going forward into the season.
 
Brad Holmes doesn’t have a depth chart in the war room - his belief being draft talent, don’t chase needs; he generally fills holes through judicious short-term FA signings. The rest of us mortals are always thinking about the lineup for the current & future seasons. With that in mind, Eric Schlitt (PoD) wins down the current 90-man to look at which positions make sense. Even though they don’t do drafts that way…still useful.



Detroit Lions updated depth chart: Pre-2025 NFL Draft​

Here’s an updated look at the Detroit Lions’ depth chart ahead of the 2025 NFL Draft.

With the 2025 NFL Draft ready to kickoff, now is a great time to take a look at the Detroit Lions roster with an updated depth chart.

This version of the Lions depth chart is a bit unique. As always, we will lists/ranks all the players, highlighting the team's current projected starters (bolded). But for this pre-NFL Draft we will also identify potential needs at each position, as well as how many players the Lions typically bring into their training camps. Additionally, in certain position groups, we will also include the betting odds that the Lions select a player from said group with their first pick, with the current odds supplied form the good folks over at FanDuel Sportsbook.

Quarterback (3)

  • Jared Goff
  • Hendon Hooker
  • Kyle Allen
Short-term need: 1/10
Long-term need: 2/10
Additions for camp: Maybe a camp arm

With Pro Bowler Jared Goff under contract through 2028, backup Hendon Hooker still on his rookie contract through 2026, and Kyle Allen on a single-year contract, the Lions aren’t in a pressing spot to make a move at quarterback. If they do add another signal caller, expect it to be late in the draft or as an undrafted free agent.

Running back (4)

  • Jahmyr Gibbs
  • David Montgomery
  • Craig Reynolds
  • Sione Vaki
Short-term need: 2/10
Long-term need: 1/10
Additions for camp: Up to 2 depth players

The Lions return all four of their running backs from last season, but this is a loaded class and the Lions could feel tempted to upgrade their depth competition. At a minimum, look for the Lions to hit the UDFA market for a few gems that don’t hear their name called during the draft.

Wide receiver (7)

  • Amon-Ra St. Brown
  • Jameson Williams
  • Tim Patrick
  • Kalif Raymond
  • Tom Kennedy
  • Antoine Green
  • Ronnie Bell
Short-term need: 3/10
Long-term need: 6.5/10
Additions for camp: Potentially 5, including a future starter
FanDuel odds of wide receiver selected with Lions first pick: +900

Like at running back, the Lions return their top four players from the position. But Detroit typically keeps five or six receivers on their active roster, making this a prime position for the Lions to acquire youth at the position—something coach Dan Campbell alluded to at the owners' meetings. Add in the fact that Tim Patrick will turn 32 and Kalif Raymond will turn 31 during the season, and receiver could be a low key high priority for the Lions.

Tight end (4)

  • Sam LaPorta
  • Brock Wright
  • Shane Zylstra
  • Kenny Yeboah
Short-term need: 3/10
Long-term need: 5/10
Additions for camp: 1 or 2 depth blockers

The Lions return all three of their tight ends from last season, and while they have a quality one-two punch at the top, they may be inclined to add some competition for their TE3 role. Zylstra and Yeboah will show up to camp ready to battle, but there are some Day 3 blocking tight ends worth considering in this class.

Offensive line (13)

Projected starters

LT Taylor Decker
LG Graham Glasgow
C Frank Ragnow
RG Christian Mahogany
RT Penei Sewell

Reserves


OT/G Dan Skipper
OC/G Michael Niese
OG Kayode Awosika
OG Netane Muti
RT/G Colby Sorsdal
OT Jamarco Jones
LT Giovanni Manu
IOL Kingsley Eguakun

OT Short-term need: 0/10
OT Long-term need: 3/10
IOL Short-term need: 5/10
IOL Long-term need: 8/10
Additions for camp: At least 2, including a challenger for a starting role at guard
FanDuel odds of an offensive linemen selected with Lions first pick: +185

Taylor Decker will turn 32 years old this season and Graham Glassgow will turn 33, which does create some long-term needs on the offensive line. Decker is coming off a Pro Bowl season and should feel secure as the Lions' starting left tackle. However, he has a big payday coming in 2026, which could prompt the Lions to be proactive—though they may have already taken that step, if Giovanni Manu processes as they hope.

At guard, things are a bit muddled. Glasgow does not seem in as safe of a spot as Decker, though the Lions coaches have put their support behind him. While Christian Mahogany has flashed high-end talent, but lacks NFL experience with only two starts under his belt. With the Lions being intent on keeping their offensive line a strength, they may grab another interior offensive lineman to compete—potentially as early as the first round.
 

Interior defensive line (9)

Short-term need: 4/10
Long-term need: 7/10
Additions for camp: Potentially 1, if they can be an immediate contributor
FanDuel odds of defensive lineman/EDGE selected with Lions first pick: -140
The injury to Alim McNeill, coupled with DJ Reader, Levi Onwuzurike, and Roy Lopez all having only one year left on their contracts, makes securing a defensive tackle a need that the Lions could address early in the draft. There’s plenty of depth, so if the Lions don’t grab a defensive tackle early, they may wait and tap into the UDFA market, if at all.

EDGE (7)

  • EDGE Aidan Hutchinson
  • EDGE Marcus Davenport
  • DL Josh Paschal
  • EDGE Al-Quadin Muhammad
  • EDGE Nate Lynn
  • EDGE Mitchell Agude
  • EDGE Isaac Ukwu
Short-term need: 6/10
Long-term need: 9/10
Additions for camp: At least 1, including a challenger for a starting role
FanDuel odds of defensive lineman/EDGE selected with Lions first pick: -140

With Marcus Davenport’s injury history and the lack of edge rusher signed beyond this season, the Lions will surely be on the hunt for a young edge rusher to add stability to their defensive line. Adding at least one player who could compete for a starting role is logical, and a double-dip in the draft should not be ruled out.

Linebacker (10)

  • MIKE Jack Campbell
  • WILL Alex Anzalone
  • SAM Derrick Barnes
  • WILL Malcolm Rodriguez
  • WILL Grant Stuard
  • SAM/MIKE Trevor Nowaske
  • MIKE/SAM Anthony Pittman
  • WILL Ezekiel Turner
  • WILL/MIKE Abraham Beauplan
  • WILL DaRon Gilbert
Short-term need: 0/10
Long-term need: 6/10
Additions for camp: None, unless they fill a future need
FanDuel odds of linebacker selected with Lions first pick: +2500
With 10 linebackers under contract, the Lions can sit back and see if an opportunity arises without feeling the pinch to add a player. Jack Campbell and Derrick Barnes are the only linebackers under contract beyond this season, which will keep the Lions looking, but they’ll be looking for the right situation.

Cornerback (8)

  • CB Terrion Arnold
  • CB D.J. Reed
  • CB/NB Amik Robertson
  • CB/NB Ennis Rakestraw
  • NB Avonte Maddox
  • CB Khalil Dorsey
  • CB Rock Ya-Sin
  • CB Stantley Thomas-Oliver
Short-term need: 1/10
Long-term need: 3/10
Additions for camp: Likely 1 to 2, with the future in mind
FanDuel odds of cornerback selected with Lions first pick: +1000

With three of their top four corners signed for the next three seasons, drafting a corner early doesn’t seem like a high priority. Yet, The Athletic’s Dane Brugler and ESPN’s Peter Schrager both projected the Lions to select a cornerback in the first round of their latest mock drafts. With both analysts being plugged into NFL circles, it’s worth wondering if there's any fire under this smoke.

Safety (5)

  • S/NB Brian Branch
  • S Kerby Joseph
  • S/NB Morice Norris
  • S/NB Loren Strickland
  • Erick Hallett
Short-term need: 5/10
Long-term need: 6/10
Additions for camp: Likely 2 or 3, including a challenger for a third-safety role
FanDuel odds of safety selected with Lions first pick: +6000
Adding a third safety could very well be part of the Lions' draft plans, but the class lacks depth, and the most contributors may need to be selected early in the draft. Regardless of if they draft a safety or not, they’ll likely be bringing in two or three for training camp.

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Kicking team (3)

  • P Jack Fox
  • K Jake Bates
  • LS Hogan Hatten
Short-term need: 1/10
Long-term need: 1/10
Additions for camp: None beyond camp depth

In most years, the Lions would bring in kickers and long snappers to compete, but Detroit seems very content with the trio they have under contract. It’s possible the Lions bring in some depth for camp to take stress off the starters, but with only 17 spots available on the roster and depth needs at other premium positions, it wouldn’t be surprising if they don’t add any rookies.
 
Jake Fromm has been released.

Wonder if they would swap out Hooker for Jaylen Milroe. Doubtful he falls to 60 or 102 but wouldn’t shock me if they move on from Hendon. Unlikely to get more than a Day 3 pick for him due to his age and inexperience.

man I've looked all over the house, checked my work backpack and every pocket of every coat I've worn this year

still can't find a single **** to give to folks who wanna come into our thread and troll Goff's record



ETA

Goff won more playoff games for Detroit in one year than Stafford did in 12

plus last time I checked almost every NFL player has worse efficiency as the rounds progress - Brady being an obvious exception but I've yet to find anyone comparing the two

you're good enough for Detroit, Jared Goff

this is not and never has been a QB centric team even though he was a Pro Bowler in 2022 and 2024 (and declined the invite in 2023)

which is fine by me - decade plus of catering to every need and tip-toeing around a franchise quarterback never yielded the results MCDC has achieved

since Week 8 2022, not a single losing streak (37-11 .771)

8 teams have won more than 60% of their games since 2022:

KC 49-12 .803
PHI 45-14 .762
BUF 41-16 .719
DET 38-17 .691 (started 1-6 in '22; been .771 since then)
BAL 37-19 .661
MIN 34-19 .642
SF 35-22 .614
CIN 32-21 .604


JG has started every game

he's not the only reason they have been successful and he's not the reason they haven't won a SB the last two years

This isn't really a fair comparison. Stafford didn't have the team around him that Goff does.

Plus to be fair Stafford went to the Rams and won a super bowl his first year, something Goff couldn't do.

And I don't think Stafford is much different than Goff in qb rankings.

Stafford played a part for sure.

Remember the Rams added 2 All-Pro veteran players to their defense that season in Jalen Ramsey and Bobby Wagner.

Also with every Superbowl run you need some good fortune. Stafford got his when the TB safety dropped the game ending INT to continue the Rams run. The Bengals beating the Chiefs also helped.
 
Trade rumors of Hendrickson to the Bears picking up steam.
Also Bears trading up for Jeanty. Well......sounds like a few teams want to move up for him.

Can't imagine they can do both.
 
man I've looked all over the house, checked my work backpack and every pocket of every coat I've worn this year

still can't find a single **** to give to folks who wanna come into our thread and troll Goff's record



ETA

Goff won more playoff games for Detroit in one year than Stafford did in 12

plus last time I checked almost every NFL player has worse efficiency as the rounds progress - Brady being an obvious exception but I've yet to find anyone comparing the two

you're good enough for Detroit, Jared Goff

this is not and never has been a QB centric team even though he was a Pro Bowler in 2022 and 2024 (and declined the invite in 2023)

which is fine by me - decade plus of catering to every need and tip-toeing around a franchise quarterback never yielded the results MCDC has achieved

since Week 8 2022, not a single losing streak (37-11 .771)

8 teams have won more than 60% of their games since 2022:

KC 49-12 .803
PHI 45-14 .762
BUF 41-16 .719
DET 38-17 .691 (started 1-6 in '22; been .771 since then)
BAL 37-19 .661
MIN 34-19 .642
SF 35-22 .614
CIN 32-21 .604


JG has started every game

he's not the only reason they have been successful and he's not the reason they haven't won a SB the last two years

This isn't really a fair comparison. Stafford didn't have the team around him that Goff does.

Plus to be fair Stafford went to the Rams and won a super bowl his first year, something Goff couldn't do.

And I don't think Stafford is much different than Goff in qb rankings.
Also it was the days of Stafford entering the league as the highest paid QB. Really screwed teams compared to now.
 
man I've looked all over the house, checked my work backpack and every pocket of every coat I've worn this year

still can't find a single **** to give to folks who wanna come into our thread and troll Goff's record



ETA

Goff won more playoff games for Detroit in one year than Stafford did in 12

plus last time I checked almost every NFL player has worse efficiency as the rounds progress - Brady being an obvious exception but I've yet to find anyone comparing the two

you're good enough for Detroit, Jared Goff

this is not and never has been a QB centric team even though he was a Pro Bowler in 2022 and 2024 (and declined the invite in 2023)

which is fine by me - decade plus of catering to every need and tip-toeing around a franchise quarterback never yielded the results MCDC has achieved

since Week 8 2022, not a single losing streak (37-11 .771)

8 teams have won more than 60% of their games since 2022:

KC 49-12 .803
PHI 45-14 .762
BUF 41-16 .719
DET 38-17 .691 (started 1-6 in '22; been .771 since then)
BAL 37-19 .661
MIN 34-19 .642
SF 35-22 .614
CIN 32-21 .604


JG has started every game

he's not the only reason they have been successful and he's not the reason they haven't won a SB the last two years

This isn't really a fair comparison. Stafford didn't have the team around him that Goff does.

Plus to be fair Stafford went to the Rams and won a super bowl his first year, something Goff couldn't do.

And I don't think Stafford is much different than Goff in qb rankings.
Also it was the days of Stafford entering the league as the highest paid QB. Really screwed teams compared to now.

yeah wasn’t the last two draft classes before the rookie pay scale were Stafford + Suh?

….quick fact check
  • 2009 - #1 pick Staff 6-year, $78m (then record $41.7 GTD)
  • 2010 - #2 pick Suh 5-year, $68m
  • 2011 - #1 Cam Newton 4-year, $22m; #2 Von Miller 4-year, $20m
Unfortunate timing but they didn’t have the right leadership so it’s a moot point. Mayhew & Schwartz were capped by the WCF/sol culture. The old man probably meant well - loyal to a fault - but he never got anything right. Schwartz did make them somewhat respectable again…but man, multiple years of falling apart in the back half of the season…that was more painful than 0-16.

Mayhew (holdover from the Millen era) was an inconsistent evaluator, and like everyone before and after him, just wasn’t effective. Never once in my years of being a fan has it ever felt like “OK, now this here is the right way to go about building a football team.” We would draft busts and teams picking 10, 20 spots later would find talent every year.



There was really no reason to believe during COVID lockdown that anything was going to different with Sheila Hamp. What did she know about running an organization or team building? State h.s. champ in tennis, OK so she’s competitive - but who did learn how to run an NFL franchise from? But unbeknownst to pretty much everyone, she had a vision of what needed to change.

Never imagined I would see the day Detroit was so universally admired as a model for how to build a team from scratch.
 
Every Brad Holmes Draft Day Trade 2021-24

[Dave Birkett Freep]


Draft day trades in 2024 (4)​

Round 1 — trade up: Lions sent Nos. 29 and 73 to the Dallas Cowboys for No. 24 and a 2025 seventh-round pick. The Lions took CB Terrion Arnold at No. 24. The Lions gave up 926 points in the trade and received 741 back.

Round 4 — trade up: Lions sent a 2025 third-round choice to the New York Jets for No. 126. The Lions took OT Gio Manu at No. 126.

Round 4 — trade up: Lions sent Nos. 164 and 201 and a 2025 fourth-round choice to the Philadelphia Eaglesfor Nos. 132 and 210. The Lions took RB Sione Vaki at No. 132.

Round 6 -— trade up: Lions sent Nos. 205 and 249 to the Houston Texans for No. 189. The Lions took DT Mekhi Wingo at No. 189. The Lions gave up 10 points in the trade and received 15.4 points back.

Draft day trades in 2023 (6)​

Round 1 — trade down: Lions sent Nos. 6 and 81 to the Arizona Cardinals for Nos. 12, 34, 168. The Cardinals took OT Paris Johnson Jr. at No. 6, while the Lions landed RB Jahmyr Gibbs at No. 12 and TE Sam LaPorta at No. 34. The Lions gave up 1,785 points in the trade and received 1,783 back.

Round 2 — trade up: Lions sent Nos. 48 and 159 to the Green Bay Packers for No. 45. The Lions took DB Brian Branch at No. 45. The Lions gave up 446.6 points in the trade and received 450 points back.

Round 2 — trade down: Lions sent Nos. 55 and 194 to the Kansas City Chiefs for Nos. 63, 122 and 249. The Chiefs took WR Rashee Rice at No. 55. The Lions gave up 377.2 points and received 327 points back.

Round 2 — trade down: Lions sent Nos. 63 and 183 to the Denver Broncos for Nos. 68 and 139. The Broncos took WR Marvin Mims Jr. at No. 63. The Lions gave up 292.6 points in the deal and received 286.5 points back.

Round 3 — trade up: Lions sent Nos. 122, 139 and 168 to the Arizona Cardinals for No. 96. The Lions took DT Brodric Martin with the 96th pick. The Lions gave up 110 points in the deal and received 116 points back.

Round 6 — trade up: Lions sent No. 249 and running back D'Andre Swift to the Philadelphia Eagles for No. 219 and a fourth-rounder in 2025. The Lions took WR Antoine Green at No. 219.

Draft day trades in 2022 (2)​

Round 1 — trade up: Lions sent Nos. 32, 34 and 66 to the Minnesota Vikings for Nos. 12 and 46. The Lions took WR Jameson Williams at No. 12. The Lions gave up 1,410 points in the deal and received 1,640 points back.

Round 6 — trade down: Lions sent No. 181 to the Philadelphia Eagles for Nos. 188 and 237. The Eagles took DE Kyron Johnson at No. 181. The Lions gave up 17.4 points in the deal and received 15.6 points back.

Draft day trades in 2021 (1)​

Round 4 — trade up: Lions sent No. 153 and a future fourth-round pick to the Cleveland Browns for Nos. 130 and 257. The Lions took LB Derrick Barnes at No. 130.

Summary:
  • Day 1 - 2 trade ups, 1 trade down (stayed in 1st & took Gibbs at 12 + LaPorta at 34)
  • Day 2 - 2 trade ups, 2 trade downs
  • Day 3 - 5 trade ups, 1 trade down
  • total - 9 trade ups, 4 trade downs
 
Jake Fromm has been released.

Wonder if they would swap out Hooker for Jaylen Milroe. Doubtful he falls to 60 or 102 but wouldn’t shock me if they move on from Hendon. Unlikely to get more than a Day 3 pick for him due to his age and inexperience.

man I've looked all over the house, checked my work backpack and every pocket of every coat I've worn this year

still can't find a single **** to give to folks who wanna come into our thread and troll Goff's record



ETA

Goff won more playoff games for Detroit in one year than Stafford did in 12

plus last time I checked almost every NFL player has worse efficiency as the rounds progress - Brady being an obvious exception but I've yet to find anyone comparing the two

you're good enough for Detroit, Jared Goff

this is not and never has been a QB centric team even though he was a Pro Bowler in 2022 and 2024 (and declined the invite in 2023)

which is fine by me - decade plus of catering to every need and tip-toeing around a franchise quarterback never yielded the results MCDC has achieved

since Week 8 2022, not a single losing streak (37-11 .771)

8 teams have won more than 60% of their games since 2022:

KC 49-12 .803
PHI 45-14 .762
BUF 41-16 .719
DET 38-17 .691 (started 1-6 in '22; been .771 since then)
BAL 37-19 .661
MIN 34-19 .642
SF 35-22 .614
CIN 32-21 .604


JG has started every game

he's not the only reason they have been successful and he's not the reason they haven't won a SB the last two years

This isn't really a fair comparison. Stafford didn't have the team around him that Goff does.

Plus to be fair Stafford went to the Rams and won a super bowl his first year, something Goff couldn't do.

And I don't think Stafford is much different than Goff in qb rankings.

Stafford played a part for sure.

Remember the Rams added 2 All-Pro veteran players to their defense that season in Jalen Ramsey and Bobby Wagner.

Also with every Superbowl run you need some good fortune. Stafford got his when the TB safety dropped the game ending INT to continue the Rams run. The Bengals beating the Chiefs also helped.

You are only giving one side. How about the pass interference that wasn't called in the Rams and Lions playoff game. They could have been one and done. How about the pass interference that wasn't called that let the Rams go to the Super Bowl with Goff.

This isn't a one way street.
 
man I've looked all over the house, checked my work backpack and every pocket of every coat I've worn this year

still can't find a single **** to give to folks who wanna come into our thread and troll Goff's record



ETA

Goff won more playoff games for Detroit in one year than Stafford did in 12

plus last time I checked almost every NFL player has worse efficiency as the rounds progress - Brady being an obvious exception but I've yet to find anyone comparing the two

you're good enough for Detroit, Jared Goff

this is not and never has been a QB centric team even though he was a Pro Bowler in 2022 and 2024 (and declined the invite in 2023)

which is fine by me - decade plus of catering to every need and tip-toeing around a franchise quarterback never yielded the results MCDC has achieved

since Week 8 2022, not a single losing streak (37-11 .771)

8 teams have won more than 60% of their games since 2022:

KC 49-12 .803
PHI 45-14 .762
BUF 41-16 .719
DET 38-17 .691 (started 1-6 in '22; been .771 since then)
BAL 37-19 .661
MIN 34-19 .642
SF 35-22 .614
CIN 32-21 .604


JG has started every game

he's not the only reason they have been successful and he's not the reason they haven't won a SB the last two years

This isn't really a fair comparison. Stafford didn't have the team around him that Goff does.

Plus to be fair Stafford went to the Rams and won a super bowl his first year, something Goff couldn't do.

And I don't think Stafford is much different than Goff in qb rankings.
Also it was the days of Stafford entering the league as the highest paid QB. Really screwed teams compared to now.

That is my point. Comparing Stafford zero playoff wins in Detriot vs Goff isn't right without context.
 

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