2025 Detroit Lions: 5-2 Lions beat Bucs with 4th string secondary. (100 Viewers)

[msudaisy26]

It takes one bad week to throw someone under the bus, but a friggin decade to recognize greatness. Brad Holmes has already proven to be awesome. The Lions have out drafted every team in the league and it is not even thst close. The Stafford trade brought in a boat load of talent. The Lions have perhaps the best roster in the NFL. This is stupid to even argue

No one is saying Holmes isn't great. They haven't out drafted everyone by a mile, and drafting isn't the only part of the job.

You just said he is three times better than everyone one else in the league. Shouldn't their roster not be perhaps the best in the league, but three times better? At least twice as good and then you in an odd way compared him to one of the five best players ever in the MLB who has done it for almost a decade and is on thr verge of leading his team to their second straight title.

 

[joey]

Raiders fan checking in again….

Is this what it’s like to be a top team in the NFL? Arguing over the definition of “greatness”? Count me in!

Go Lions!

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Raiders fan checking in again….

Is this what it’s like to be a top team in the NFL? Arguing over the definition of “greatness”? Count me in!

Go Lions!

Glad to have you aboard. Sorry about the clutter.

 

[joey]

Love watching this team. Glad they’re so good now that I get to see them in lots of nationally televised games.

Was loving Gibbs lighting up Tampa Bay this week, and then I said to my brother, “now they’re going to batter them with Montgomery “. What a great offense.

And man, The D shut down the vaunted (though hobbled at WR) TB offense and Mayfield. Love the vibe of your D Coord with those dreads on the sideline and hyped up as hell.

Keep on keepin on!

 

[King of the Jungle]

In four short years Brad Holmes has taken a laughing stock of a franchise and turned it into arguably the best roster in the league. It blows my mind that actual Lion fans spend their energy criticizing him. Is he perfect…nope. However, based on my first sentence I am more than content on the job he has done as I know what worse looks like. 5-2 and looking good this year, I am not missing the pre-Holmes era one bit.

 

[Mt. Man]

Raiders fan checking in again….

Is this what it’s like to be a top team in the NFL? Arguing over the definition of “greatness”? Count me in!

Go Lions!

Most of us are used to being lower than the Raiders are now. So we might be a little spoiled.
Campbell makes errors about going for it. Holmes has missed on 3rd rounders. Like every Detroit team, there's been a focus on their own guys instead of Free Agents. Ben Johnson made mistakes. Aaron Glenn made mistakes. Somehow they've gone 32-9 (34-11including postseason) the last 2 1/2 years despite all this.

 

[msudaisy26]

Love watching this team. Glad they’re so good now that I get to see them in lots of nationally televised games.

Was loving Gibbs lighting up Tampa Bay this week, and then I said to my brother, “now they’re going to batter them with Montgomery “. What a great offense.

And man, The D shut down the vaunted (though hobbled at WR) TB offense and Mayfield. Love the vibe of your D Coord with those dreads on the sideline and hyped up as hell.

Keep on keepin on!

Any chance the are moving on from Crosby? *fingers crossed*

 

[joey]

Love watching this team. Glad they’re so good now that I get to see them in lots of nationally televised games.

Was loving Gibbs lighting up Tampa Bay this week, and then I said to my brother, “now they’re going to batter them with Montgomery “. What a great offense.

And man, The D shut down the vaunted (though hobbled at WR) TB offense and Mayfield. Love the vibe of your D Coord with those dreads on the sideline and hyped up as hell.

Keep on keepin on!

Any chance the are moving on from Crosby? *fingers crossed*

Honestly, Maxx is the next in a long line great Raiders who are the ONLY great player on the roster and their career is wasted on a crappy team. The Raiders would be doing him a great favor to send him to a team that can actually compete.

 

[Zeppelin]

Love watching this team. Glad they’re so good now that I get to see them in lots of nationally televised games.

Was loving Gibbs lighting up Tampa Bay this week, and then I said to my brother, “now they’re going to batter them with Montgomery “. What a great offense.

And man, The D shut down the vaunted (though hobbled at WR) TB offense and Mayfield. Love the vibe of your D Coord with those dreads on the sideline and hyped up as hell.

Keep on keepin on!

Any chance the are moving on from Crosby? *fingers crossed*

Honestly, Maxx is the next in a long line great Raiders who are the ONLY great player on the roster and their career is wasted on a crappy team. The Raiders would be doing him a great favor to send him to a team that can actually compete.

I thought I read that they are not going to trade him. Crosby has said repeatedly that he wants to stay with the Raiders. They could get a haul if they moved him.

 

[rockaction]

Aaron Glenn made mistakes.

The present tense called and wants a word with you.

 

[nysfl2]

In four short years Brad Holmes has taken a laughing stock of a franchise and turned it into arguably the best roster in the league. It blows my mind that actual Lion fans spend their energy criticizing him. Is he perfect…nope. However, based on my first sentence I am more than content on the job he has done as I know what worse looks like. 5-2 and looking good this year, I am not missing the pre-Holmes era one bit.

It sure is a lot more fun arguing about whether they need one more piece to win the Super Bowl vs arguing about when they should fire their coach or who they should take with their Top 5 pick.

Brad Holmes has done a spectacular job. If we don't get a Super Bowl out of this run, it would be a bummer, but it will still be the greatest run of Lions teams in my lifetime.

 

[Payne]

In four short years Brad Holmes has taken a laughing stock of a franchise and turned it into arguably the best roster in the league. It blows my mind that actual Lion fans spend their energy criticizing him. Is he perfect…nope. However, based on my first sentence I am more than content on the job he has done as I know what worse looks like. 5-2 and looking good this year, I am not missing the pre-Holmes era one bit.

It sure is a lot more fun arguing about whether they need one more piece to win the Super Bowl vs arguing about when they should fire their coach or who they should take with their Top 5 pick.

Brad Holmes has done a spectacular job. If we don't get a Super Bowl out of this run, it would be a bummer, but it will still be the greatest run of Lions teams in my lifetime.

Everyone agrees on this. The problem is there are some who feel you are no longer allowed to question Brad for all he's done.
I have said it 100 times, you can enjoy the ride, appreciate the team and think Brad is doing a great job and STILL be critical.
Most fans in every other sports town do it. Here in Detroit it seems you cannot question Brad or Yzerman without being asked to move out of the state.

 

[jon_mx]

In four short years Brad Holmes has taken a laughing stock of a franchise and turned it into arguably the best roster in the league. It blows my mind that actual Lion fans spend their energy criticizing him. Is he perfect…nope. However, based on my first sentence I am more than content on the job he has done as I know what worse looks like. 5-2 and looking good this year, I am not missing the pre-Holmes era one bit.

It sure is a lot more fun arguing about whether they need one more piece to win the Super Bowl vs arguing about when they should fire their coach or who they should take with their Top 5 pick.

Brad Holmes has done a spectacular job. If we don't get a Super Bowl out of this run, it would be a bummer, but it will still be the greatest run of Lions teams in my lifetime.

Everyone agrees on this. The problem is there are some who feel you are no longer allowed to question Brad for all he's done.
I have said it 100 times, you can enjoy the ride, appreciate the team and think Brad is doing a great job and STILL be critical.
Most fans in every other sports town do it. Here in Detroit it seems you cannot question Brad or Yzerman without being asked to move out of the state.

You can criticize Brad all you want. But I can criticize asinine statements too. Things like we can't call Brad Holmes great until he wins two Super Bowls. Or talking about they must go all in now because the window is going to close. Or that Brad Homes does not understand the importance of a pass rush. Or that there is some sort of football formula that must be followed to win and Brad is not following it.

Brad Holmes has done an absolutely outstanding job, an A+ by any reasonable standard. Nobody has drafts where you 4 players the quality of a Penei, St. Brown, Alim, and Barnes. Or four players like like Gibbs, Jack Campbell, LaPorta, and Branch. Nobody. I would love to hear all about all these better draft classes than those by all the great GMs from other teams. These were incredible hauls that every single GM is envious of. I could not care less about a missed picks like Brodrick Martin or a Hendon Hooker. The draft is a fortune-telling crap shoot and Holmes is an absolute wizard at getting it right far more than not.

Yes, i absolutely love what Shiela, Dan and Brad built here. Detroit is a juggernaut other teams are afraid to play, a team that has been on everyone's list of top contentenders for the Super Bowl the last few years. Brad and Dan have a vision and plan for this team and they have earned 100 percent trust of the fan base who has endured decades of brutaly bad football.

 

[msudaisy26]

In four short years Brad Holmes has taken a laughing stock of a franchise and turned it into arguably the best roster in the league. It blows my mind that actual Lion fans spend their energy criticizing him. Is he perfect…nope. However, based on my first sentence I am more than content on the job he has done as I know what worse looks like. 5-2 and looking good this year, I am not missing the pre-Holmes era one bit.

It sure is a lot more fun arguing about whether they need one more piece to win the Super Bowl vs arguing about when they should fire their coach or who they should take with their Top 5 pick.

Brad Holmes has done a spectacular job. If we don't get a Super Bowl out of this run, it would be a bummer, but it will still be the greatest run of Lions teams in my lifetime.

Everyone agrees on this. The problem is there are some who feel you are no longer allowed to question Brad for all he's done.
I have said it 100 times, you can enjoy the ride, appreciate the team and think Brad is doing a great job and STILL be critical.
Most fans in every other sports town do it. Here in Detroit it seems you cannot question Brad or Yzerman without being asked to move out of the state.

You can criticize Brad all you want. But I can criticize asinine statements too. Things like we can't call Brad Holmes great until he wins two Super Bowls. Or talking about they must go all in now because the window is going to close. Or that Brad Homes does not understand the importance of a pass rush. Or that there is some sort of football formula that must be followed to win and Brad is not following it.

Brad Holmes has done an absolutely outstanding job, an A+ by any reasonable standard. Nobody has drafts where you 4 players the quality of a Penei, St. Brown, Alim, and Barnes. Or four players like like Gibbs, Jack Campbell, LaPorta, and Branch. Nobody. I would love to hear all about all these better draft classes than those by all the great GMs from other teams. These were incredible hauls that every single GM is envious of. I could not care less about a missed picks like Brodrick Martin or a Hendon Hooker. The draft is a fortune-telling crap shoot and Holmes is an absolute wizard at getting it right far more than not.

Yes, i absolutely love what Shiela, Dan and Brad built here. Detroit is a juggernaut other teams are afraid to play, a team that has been on everyone's list of top contentenders for the Super Bowl the last few years. Brad and Dan have a vision and plan for this team and they have earned 100 percent trust of the fan base who has endured decades of brutaly bad football.

What about where you make up the entire first paragraph? What do we call that?

 

[jon_mx]

I stand by my statement on the turds Payne and Daisy continually drop on this thread. Every comment is dressed with negativity. Here are just a few in the last few pages, there are lots more.

- 'He has another decade and 2 super bowl wins before he can even put his name in that hat.'

- 'If pass rush continues to be a problem and Holmes doesn't address this off season then we know he doesn't value pass rushers...'

‐ 'He (Davenport) isn't a starting caliber guy anymore.'

- 'You can't keep everyone. It is designed that way and the windows are short. Name me one superbowl contender ever that left almost 20 percent in cap space because hey next year.'

- 'Exactly. This is why I question anyone who says Brad is doing everything he can to win a Super Bowl. No they are not.'

And the CHALLENGE is still on. Find me a single draft class of any NFL team which come close to matching Holmes 2021 and 2023 classes. Hands down the best classes of any NFL team during this era. Nobody has drafted better than Detroit and it is not even remotely close. Brad has done phenomenal and has helped turned the Lions from the worst organization in sports to perhaps the best. But apparently that is not good enough for some.

 

[Payne]

I stand by my statement on the turds Payne and Daisy continually drop on this thread. Every comment is dressed with negativity. Here are just a few in the last few pages, there are lots more.

- 'He has another decade and 2 super bowl wins before he can even put his name in that hat.'

- 'If pass rush continues to be a problem and Holmes doesn't address this off season then we know he doesn't value pass rushers...'

‐ 'He (Davenport) isn't a starting caliber guy anymore.'

- 'You can't keep everyone. It is designed that way and the windows are short. Name me one superbowl contender ever that left almost 20 percent in cap space because hey next year.'

- 'Exactly. This is why I question anyone who says Brad is doing everything he can to win a Super Bowl. No they are not.'

And the CHALLENGE is still on. Find me a single draft class of any NFL team which come close to matching Holmes 2021 and 2023 classes. Hands down the best classes of any NFL team during this era. Nobody has drafted better than Detroit and it is not even remotely close. Brad has done phenomenal and has helped turned the Lions from the worst organization in sports to perhaps the best. But apparently that is not good enough for some.

There is no reason to use terms like "asinine" or "turds" towards people who have a different opinion than you.
Most of us are having an adult conversation here. You seem to be taking it a bit too seriously.

Again, everyone here thinks Holmes has a done a great job. Everyone. Even me. I've said it numerous times.
But do I think he has done everything he can to win a Super Bowl? I do not.
Do I think their window is smaller than you? Yes.

That does not make me a bad person.

Take care and have a good day,

 

[jon_mx]

I stand by my statement on the turds Payne and Daisy continually drop on this thread. Every comment is dressed with negativity. Here are just a few in the last few pages, there are lots more.

- 'He has another decade and 2 super bowl wins before he can even put his name in that hat.'

- 'If pass rush continues to be a problem and Holmes doesn't address this off season then we know he doesn't value pass rushers...'

‐ 'He (Davenport) isn't a starting caliber guy anymore.'

- 'You can't keep everyone. It is designed that way and the windows are short. Name me one superbowl contender ever that left almost 20 percent in cap space because hey next year.'

- 'Exactly. This is why I question anyone who says Brad is doing everything he can to win a Super Bowl. No they are not.'

And the CHALLENGE is still on. Find me a single draft class of any NFL team which come close to matching Holmes 2021 and 2023 classes. Hands down the best classes of any NFL team during this era. Nobody has drafted better than Detroit and it is not even remotely close. Brad has done phenomenal and has helped turned the Lions from the worst organization in sports to perhaps the best. But apparently that is not good enough for some.

There is no reason to use terms like "asinine" or "turds" towards people who have a different opinion than you.
Most of us are having an adult conversation here. You seem to be taking it a bit too seriously.

Again, everyone here thinks Holmes has a done a great job. Everyone. Even me. I've said it numerous times.
But do I think he has done everything he can to win a Super Bowl? I do not.
Do I think their window is smaller than you? Yes.

That does not make me a bad person.

Take care and have a good day,

It is a major insult to say Holmes has not done everything he can to win a Super Bowl. The guy is working his butt off and doing an incredible job. Insulting what he is doing is absolutely a turdy comment. And I say that very much as an adult.

 

[nysfl2]

I stand by my statement on the turds Payne and Daisy continually drop on this thread. Every comment is dressed with negativity. Here are just a few in the last few pages, there are lots more.

- 'He has another decade and 2 super bowl wins before he can even put his name in that hat.'

- 'If pass rush continues to be a problem and Holmes doesn't address this off season then we know he doesn't value pass rushers...'

‐ 'He (Davenport) isn't a starting caliber guy anymore.'

- 'You can't keep everyone. It is designed that way and the windows are short. Name me one superbowl contender ever that left almost 20 percent in cap space because hey next year.'

- 'Exactly. This is why I question anyone who says Brad is doing everything he can to win a Super Bowl. No they are not.'

And the CHALLENGE is still on. Find me a single draft class of any NFL team which come close to matching Holmes 2021 and 2023 classes. Hands down the best classes of any NFL team during this era. Nobody has drafted better than Detroit and it is not even remotely close. Brad has done phenomenal and has helped turned the Lions from the worst organization in sports to perhaps the best. But apparently that is not good enough for some.

There is no reason to use terms like "asinine" or "turds" towards people who have a different opinion than you.
Most of us are having an adult conversation here. You seem to be taking it a bit too seriously.

Again, everyone here thinks Holmes has a done a great job. Everyone. Even me. I've said it numerous times.
But do I think he has done everything he can to win a Super Bowl? I do not.
Do I think their window is smaller than you? Yes.

That does not make me a bad person.

Take care and have a good day,

It is a major insult to say Holmes has not done everything he can to win a Super Bowl. The guy is working his butt off and doing an incredible job. Insulting what he is doing is absolutely a turdy comment. And I say that very much as an adult.

I disagree here. Doing everything that you can to win A Super Bowl would involve going all in on a particular season and sacrificing future draft picks and cap space, pretty much guaranteeing a decline in a couple of years when the bills come due. Brad has shown no inclination to do that. What Brad wants to do is build a team that will consistently be one of the top 5 best in the NFL and hope that things break right one of those years to win a title.

Those are very much different philosophies. Both are valid approaches to winning, but personally, I prefer the approach that Brad is taking, as the 'All-in' philosophy can be derailed by a key injury or unlucky bounce in a playoff game, and result in no title AND a return to mediocrity in a couple of years. But I certainly understand people who are so desperate for a Super Bowl that they'd choose the other path.

 

[Moonlight]

I stand by my statement on the turds Payne and Daisy continually drop on this thread. Every comment is dressed with negativity. Here are just a few in the last few pages, there are lots more.

- 'He has another decade and 2 super bowl wins before he can even put his name in that hat.'

- 'If pass rush continues to be a problem and Holmes doesn't address this off season then we know he doesn't value pass rushers...'

‐ 'He (Davenport) isn't a starting caliber guy anymore.'

- 'You can't keep everyone. It is designed that way and the windows are short. Name me one superbowl contender ever that left almost 20 percent in cap space because hey next year.'

- 'Exactly. This is why I question anyone who says Brad is doing everything he can to win a Super Bowl. No they are not.'

And the CHALLENGE is still on. Find me a single draft class of any NFL team which come close to matching Holmes 2021 and 2023 classes. Hands down the best classes of any NFL team during this era. Nobody has drafted better than Detroit and it is not even remotely close. Brad has done phenomenal and has helped turned the Lions from the worst organization in sports to perhaps the best. But apparently that is not good enough for some.

There is no reason to use terms like "asinine" or "turds" towards people who have a different opinion than you.
Most of us are having an adult conversation here. You seem to be taking it a bit too seriously.

Again, everyone here thinks Holmes has a done a great job. Everyone. Even me. I've said it numerous times.
But do I think he has done everything he can to win a Super Bowl? I do not.
Do I think their window is smaller than you? Yes.

That does not make me a bad person.

Take care and have a good day,

Using terms like turds and asinine is not good manners or respectful to people who are also dedicated Lions fans. In fact it should be reported; that it hasn’t shows more tolerance than is deserved.

 

[Moonlight]

I disagree with Payne but understand his position. Holmes has shown some flaws but who doesn’t have them.

 

[Payne]

I stand by my statement on the turds Payne and Daisy continually drop on this thread. Every comment is dressed with negativity. Here are just a few in the last few pages, there are lots more.

- 'He has another decade and 2 super bowl wins before he can even put his name in that hat.'

- 'If pass rush continues to be a problem and Holmes doesn't address this off season then we know he doesn't value pass rushers...'

‐ 'He (Davenport) isn't a starting caliber guy anymore.'

- 'You can't keep everyone. It is designed that way and the windows are short. Name me one superbowl contender ever that left almost 20 percent in cap space because hey next year.'

- 'Exactly. This is why I question anyone who says Brad is doing everything he can to win a Super Bowl. No they are not.'

And the CHALLENGE is still on. Find me a single draft class of any NFL team which come close to matching Holmes 2021 and 2023 classes. Hands down the best classes of any NFL team during this era. Nobody has drafted better than Detroit and it is not even remotely close. Brad has done phenomenal and has helped turned the Lions from the worst organization in sports to perhaps the best. But apparently that is not good enough for some.

There is no reason to use terms like "asinine" or "turds" towards people who have a different opinion than you.
Most of us are having an adult conversation here. You seem to be taking it a bit too seriously.

Again, everyone here thinks Holmes has a done a great job. Everyone. Even me. I've said it numerous times.
But do I think he has done everything he can to win a Super Bowl? I do not.
Do I think their window is smaller than you? Yes.

That does not make me a bad person.

Take care and have a good day,

It is a major insult to say Holmes has not done everything he can to win a Super Bowl. The guy is working his butt off and doing an incredible job. Insulting what he is doing is absolutely a turdy comment. And I say that very much as an adult.

I disagree here. Doing everything that you can to win A Super Bowl would involve going all in on a particular season and sacrificing future draft picks and cap space, pretty much guaranteeing a decline in a couple of years when the bills come due. Brad has shown no inclination to do that. What Brad wants to do is build a team that will consistently be one of the top 5 best in the NFL and hope that things break right one of those years to win a title.

Those are very much different philosophies. Both are valid approaches to winning, but personally, I prefer the approach that Brad is taking, as the 'All-in' philosophy can be derailed by a key injury or unlucky bounce in a playoff game, and result in no title AND a return to mediocrity in a couple of years. But I certainly understand people who are so desperate for a Super Bowl that they'd choose the other path.

If Brad is as good as we think he is, he absolutely can go all in and still be competitive in the future. Just look at the team he left.
Rams went all in, won a Super Bowl and are back in the mix again.

If anything, I am supporting how good of a job he has done because I believe he can trade draft capital and still use his drafting skills to fill positions.

 

[msudaisy26]

I stand by my statement on the turds Payne and Daisy continually drop on this thread. Every comment is dressed with negativity. Here are just a few in the last few pages, there are lots more.

- 'He has another decade and 2 super bowl wins before he can even put his name in that hat.'

- 'If pass rush continues to be a problem and Holmes doesn't address this off season then we know he doesn't value pass rushers...'

‐ 'He (Davenport) isn't a starting caliber guy anymore.'

- 'You can't keep everyone. It is designed that way and the windows are short. Name me one superbowl contender ever that left almost 20 percent in cap space because hey next year.'

- 'Exactly. This is why I question anyone who says Brad is doing everything he can to win a Super Bowl. No they are not.'

And the CHALLENGE is still on. Find me a single draft class of any NFL team which come close to matching Holmes 2021 and 2023 classes. Hands down the best classes of any NFL team during this era. Nobody has drafted better than Detroit and it is not even remotely close. Brad has done phenomenal and has helped turned the Lions from the worst organization in sports to perhaps the best. But apparently that is not good enough for some.

There is no reason to use terms like "asinine" or "turds" towards people who have a different opinion than you.
Most of us are having an adult conversation here. You seem to be taking it a bit too seriously.

Again, everyone here thinks Holmes has a done a great job. Everyone. Even me. I've said it numerous times.
But do I think he has done everything he can to win a Super Bowl? I do not.
Do I think their window is smaller than you? Yes.

That does not make me a bad person.

Take care and have a good day,

It is a major insult to say Holmes has not done everything he can to win a Super Bowl. The guy is working his butt off and doing an incredible job. Insulting what he is doing is absolutely a turdy comment. And I say that very much as an adult.

And saying he way better than all the other gms isn't insulting? Especially to the ones who have won super bowls? Or turned horrible teams around? Are good at trading or finding free agents?

Isn't it weird that I can disagree with Zeppelin, Leroy l, Payne etc and we can like posts when we do agree and not call people names, be a jerk, make things up or not score keep when someone is wrong on something and question their fandom? Why can't you do it?

 

[jon_mx]

I stand by my statement on the turds Payne and Daisy continually drop on this thread. Every comment is dressed with negativity. Here are just a few in the last few pages, there are lots more.

- 'He has another decade and 2 super bowl wins before he can even put his name in that hat.'

- 'If pass rush continues to be a problem and Holmes doesn't address this off season then we know he doesn't value pass rushers...'

‐ 'He (Davenport) isn't a starting caliber guy anymore.'

- 'You can't keep everyone. It is designed that way and the windows are short. Name me one superbowl contender ever that left almost 20 percent in cap space because hey next year.'

- 'Exactly. This is why I question anyone who says Brad is doing everything he can to win a Super Bowl. No they are not.'

And the CHALLENGE is still on. Find me a single draft class of any NFL team which come close to matching Holmes 2021 and 2023 classes. Hands down the best classes of any NFL team during this era. Nobody has drafted better than Detroit and it is not even remotely close. Brad has done phenomenal and has helped turned the Lions from the worst organization in sports to perhaps the best. But apparently that is not good enough for some.

There is no reason to use terms like "asinine" or "turds" towards people who have a different opinion than you.
Most of us are having an adult conversation here. You seem to be taking it a bit too seriously.

Again, everyone here thinks Holmes has a done a great job. Everyone. Even me. I've said it numerous times.
But do I think he has done everything he can to win a Super Bowl? I do not.
Do I think their window is smaller than you? Yes.

That does not make me a bad person.

Take care and have a good day,

Using terms like turds and asinine is not good manners or respectful to people who are also dedicated Lions fans. In fact it should be reported; that it hasn’t shows more tolerance than is deserved.

Report it then please. Daisy is the one who makes it personal calling me a liar for things she knows which were said. When people in the peanut gallery criticize someone who puts in 16-18 hours every day calling every GM, scouring practice squads, talking to coaching staff about players and needs, talking to scouts about players all over the world, managing this year's salary cap as well as futures, dealing contracts with players, etc....and is doing it all phenomenally. Yeah it ticks me off that fans would suggest he does not care about the pass rush or is not doing enough to win a Super Bowl. Dan and Brad are absolute treasures and they are both doing everything humanly possible to win and make the city and fans proud.

 

[FBG Moderator]

I stand by my statement on the turds Payne and Daisy continually drop on this thread. Every comment is dressed with negativity. Here are just a few in the last few pages, there are lots more.

- 'He has another decade and 2 super bowl wins before he can even put his name in that hat.'

- 'If pass rush continues to be a problem and Holmes doesn't address this off season then we know he doesn't value pass rushers...'

‐ 'He (Davenport) isn't a starting caliber guy anymore.'

- 'You can't keep everyone. It is designed that way and the windows are short. Name me one superbowl contender ever that left almost 20 percent in cap space because hey next year.'

- 'Exactly. This is why I question anyone who says Brad is doing everything he can to win a Super Bowl. No they are not.'

And the CHALLENGE is still on. Find me a single draft class of any NFL team which come close to matching Holmes 2021 and 2023 classes. Hands down the best classes of any NFL team during this era. Nobody has drafted better than Detroit and it is not even remotely close. Brad has done phenomenal and has helped turned the Lions from the worst organization in sports to perhaps the best. But apparently that is not good enough for some.

There is no reason to use terms like "asinine" or "turds" towards people who have a different opinion than you.
Most of us are having an adult conversation here. You seem to be taking it a bit too seriously.

Again, everyone here thinks Holmes has a done a great job. Everyone. Even me. I've said it numerous times.
But do I think he has done everything he can to win a Super Bowl? I do not.
Do I think their window is smaller than you? Yes.

That does not make me a bad person.

Take care and have a good day,

Agreed. Drop the insults and let's keep it 100% on football discussion.

 

[FBG Moderator]

I stand by my statement on the turds Payne and Daisy continually drop on this thread. Every comment is dressed with negativity. Here are just a few in the last few pages, there are lots more.

- 'He has another decade and 2 super bowl wins before he can even put his name in that hat.'

- 'If pass rush continues to be a problem and Holmes doesn't address this off season then we know he doesn't value pass rushers...'

‐ 'He (Davenport) isn't a starting caliber guy anymore.'

- 'You can't keep everyone. It is designed that way and the windows are short. Name me one superbowl contender ever that left almost 20 percent in cap space because hey next year.'

- 'Exactly. This is why I question anyone who says Brad is doing everything he can to win a Super Bowl. No they are not.'

And the CHALLENGE is still on. Find me a single draft class of any NFL team which come close to matching Holmes 2021 and 2023 classes. Hands down the best classes of any NFL team during this era. Nobody has drafted better than Detroit and it is not even remotely close. Brad has done phenomenal and has helped turned the Lions from the worst organization in sports to perhaps the best. But apparently that is not good enough for some.

There is no reason to use terms like "asinine" or "turds" towards people who have a different opinion than you.
Most of us are having an adult conversation here. You seem to be taking it a bit too seriously.

Again, everyone here thinks Holmes has a done a great job. Everyone. Even me. I've said it numerous times.
But do I think he has done everything he can to win a Super Bowl? I do not.
Do I think their window is smaller than you? Yes.

That does not make me a bad person.

Take care and have a good day,

Using terms like turds and asinine is not good manners or respectful to people who are also dedicated Lions fans. In fact it should be reported; that it hasn’t shows more tolerance than is deserved.

It's been reported. And it should be. We can do better than discussing like that.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

OK now that all that is behind us (hopefully) let's look at an actual game coming up.
Vikings opened last week at +7 but jumped to 8.5 after last night's debacle. Word is that the awful looking Wentz is being replaced by McCarthy, who himself looked mostly lost even before his injury.
Lions just have to stay focused on this game, don't do any looking ahead in the schedule, and it should be a W in some shape or form.

 

[msudaisy26]

OK now that all that is behind us (hopefully) let's look at an actual game coming up.
Vikings opened last week at +7 but jumped to 8.5 after last night's debacle. Word is that the awful looking Wentz is being replaced by McCarthy, who himself looked mostly lost even before his injury.
Lions just have to stay focused on this game, don't do any looking ahead in the schedule, and it should be a W in some shape or form.

I know it is a division opponent, but this should be an easy win. The Vikings defense isn't as good as last year, neither qb looks good, they can't run the ball, the Lions are off a bye and at home. Any win is good in the NFL, but I will be a little disappointed if this isn't a two score + type of game.

 

[King of the Jungle]

OK now that all that is behind us (hopefully) let's look at an actual game coming up.
Vikings opened last week at +7 but jumped to 8.5 after last night's debacle. Word is that the awful looking Wentz is being replaced by McCarthy, who himself looked mostly lost even before his injury.
Lions just have to stay focused on this game, don't do any looking ahead in the schedule, and it should be a W in some shape or form.

I know it is a division opponent, but this should be an easy win. The Vikings defense isn't as good as last year, neither qb looks good, they can't run the ball, the Lions are off a bye and at home. Any win is good in the NFL, but I will be a little disappointed if this isn't a two score + type of game.

I think you are right, Vikings seem in disarray. This should be an easy win barring unforeseen injury or fluke turnovers that result in TDs.