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2025 Las Vegas Raiders thread - ☠ New innovation on being a **** show ☠ (14 Viewers)
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Chaka
Footballguy
Isn't Seymour part of the ownership group now?
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
IIRC Moss and Seymour were acquire thru trades
ZADO
Footballguy
Randy MossFor every Spillane the is a Javon Walker, Trent Brown, Larry Brown, Kerry Collins, or Jimmy Garopollo.
Don't forget DeAngelo Hall....
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Dorsett is.... interesting. I was somewhat intrigued the first time we brought him in. Hoping he was healthy and could add some depth.
He is now 32 and there is now a lot of evidence that he is done. The last time he did anything was 2022.
There has to be others out there that would be a better shot to fight for a roster spot.
He is now 32 and there is now a lot of evidence that he is done. The last time he did anything was 2022.
There has to be others out there that would be a better shot to fight for a roster spot.
Chaka
Footballguy
Done? When was he fresh?
This is the 11th season since he was drafted. I'll be shocked if he makes the roster. He's a warm body and, frankly I'm surprised anyone would give him a slot on the top 90, let alone the top 53. I'm disappointed that it was the Raiders who are wasting that spot on him. Leave that retread for someone else's scrap heap.
LawFitz
Footballguy
These guys are all camp fodder IMO. They're here to be punching bags for the actual competitors - and/or to take the place of those who weren't getting with the program. Wasting time and energy on them here is about the same as getting worked up (again) about Randy and Antonio. 
Chaka
Footballguy
ANTONIO!!!!!!These guys are all camp fodder IMO. They're here to be punching bags for the actual competitors - and/or to take the place of those who weren't getting with the program. Wasting time and energy on them here is about the same as getting worked up (again) about Randy and Antonio.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
They already had punching bags which was the undrafted rookies they cut to make room for him. These moves are done to see if you can add depth, special teams and maybe get lucky with someone that is a little more. I much rather have kept some undrafted rookie to let him fight it out than Dorsett.These guys are all camp fodder IMO. They're here to be punching bags for the actual competitors - and/or to take the place of those who weren't getting with the program. Wasting time and energy on them here is about the same as getting worked up (again) about Randy and Antonio.
Chaka
Footballguy
Exactly. Dorsett has 23 ST snaps in 10 seasons. He hasn't returned a kick or punt since 2015.They already had punching bags which was the undrafted rookies they cut to make room for him. These moves are done to see if you can add depth, special teams and maybe get lucky with someone that is a little more. I much rather have kept some undrafted rookie to let him fight it out than Dorsett.These guys are all camp fodder IMO. They're here to be punching bags for the actual competitors - and/or to take the place of those who weren't getting with the program. Wasting time and energy on them here is about the same as getting worked up (again) about Randy and Antonio.
I know the receiving corps is thin but, not that thin. Heck I'd rather they give Keelan Doss another look.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Exactly. Dorsett has 23 ST snaps in 10 seasons. He hasn't returned a kick or punt since 2015.They already had punching bags which was the undrafted rookies they cut to make room for him. These moves are done to see if you can add depth, special teams and maybe get lucky with someone that is a little more. I much rather have kept some undrafted rookie to let him fight it out than Dorsett.These guys are all camp fodder IMO. They're here to be punching bags for the actual competitors - and/or to take the place of those who weren't getting with the program. Wasting time and energy on them here is about the same as getting worked up (again) about Randy and Antonio.
I know the receiving corps is thin but, not that thin. Heck I'd rather they give Keelan Doss another look.
- Amari Cooper
- Keenan Allen
- Gabe Davis
- Nelson Agholor
- Tyler Boyd
- Odell Beckham
- D.J. Chark
And if you really just want a warm body then why not keep the UFA on?
LawFitz
Footballguy
Exactly. Dorsett has 23 ST snaps in 10 seasons. He hasn't returned a kick or punt since 2015.They already had punching bags which was the undrafted rookies they cut to make room for him. These moves are done to see if you can add depth, special teams and maybe get lucky with someone that is a little more. I much rather have kept some undrafted rookie to let him fight it out than Dorsett.These guys are all camp fodder IMO. They're here to be punching bags for the actual competitors - and/or to take the place of those who weren't getting with the program. Wasting time and energy on them here is about the same as getting worked up (again) about Randy and Antonio.
I know the receiving corps is thin but, not that thin. Heck I'd rather they give Keelan Doss another look.I believe all are still available and would rather take a chance on any one of them over Dorsett.
- Amari Cooper
- Keenan Allen
- Gabe Davis
- Nelson Agholor
- Tyler Boyd
- Odell Beckham
- D.J. Chark
And if you really just want a warm body then why not keep the UFA on?
Maybe the UDFAs that were cut were to make a point to the overall group. And that some of these name players would have similar issues.
joey
Footballguy
nittanylion
Footballguy
I don't want to waste a lot of time on PD, but I think it's worth noting, for context:
From Google AI, when I searched 'Phillip Dorsett professionalism':
Phillip Dorsett is known for his professionalism in the NFL, demonstrating a strong work ethic, adaptability, and a positive attitude, particularly when facing challenges like learning new playbooks or adapting to different teams. He is praised for his dedication to his craft, his willingness to contribute in various roles, and his ability to stay focused on the task at hand, even when facing setbacks.
www.profootballnetwork.com
Still fast as hell, quite possibly the most valuable commodity in the NFL, which gets him opportunities to see if there's any more to his game than that.
Although not all that great of a Player, per se, he's obviously a competitor who tries hard to make the most of his limited abilities, outside of his speed.
2 Super Bowl runs with the Brady-era Patriots (2018 loss to the Eagles, 2019 win over the Rams). Valuable experience/wisdom to impart to young'uns.
Familiarity with Brady from the Pats Golden Era. Wouldn't be there if TB didn't think highly of him.
Familiarity (at least to some extent) with the Raiders/Mork (brief stint, 2023).
Familiarity with Pete Carroll and Geno Smith from 2021 Season in Seattle, which didn't quite go as planned. See Brady comment.
It would seem to me that if Brady/Carroll are trying to create a culture, that PD can serve a valuable example/mentoring role to younger Players, even if he only sticks around through camp.
Seems like a high-level 'wisdom' move on the part of the Mork/Brady/Carroll triumvirate, to me.
From Google AI, when I searched 'Phillip Dorsett professionalism':
Phillip Dorsett is known for his professionalism in the NFL, demonstrating a strong work ethic, adaptability, and a positive attitude, particularly when facing challenges like learning new playbooks or adapting to different teams. He is praised for his dedication to his craft, his willingness to contribute in various roles, and his ability to stay focused on the task at hand, even when facing setbacks.
Raiders Sign 12-TD WR With Ties to HC Pete Carroll As Las Vegas Bolsters Geno Smith’s Weapons
A familiar face reunites with Pete Carroll as the Raiders quietly add depth to their evolving offensive roster, heading into training camp.
www.profootballnetwork.com
Still fast as hell, quite possibly the most valuable commodity in the NFL, which gets him opportunities to see if there's any more to his game than that.
Although not all that great of a Player, per se, he's obviously a competitor who tries hard to make the most of his limited abilities, outside of his speed.
2 Super Bowl runs with the Brady-era Patriots (2018 loss to the Eagles, 2019 win over the Rams). Valuable experience/wisdom to impart to young'uns.
Familiarity with Brady from the Pats Golden Era. Wouldn't be there if TB didn't think highly of him.
Familiarity (at least to some extent) with the Raiders/Mork (brief stint, 2023).
Familiarity with Pete Carroll and Geno Smith from 2021 Season in Seattle, which didn't quite go as planned. See Brady comment.
It would seem to me that if Brady/Carroll are trying to create a culture, that PD can serve a valuable example/mentoring role to younger Players, even if he only sticks around through camp.
Seems like a high-level 'wisdom' move on the part of the Mork/Brady/Carroll triumvirate, to me.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Being reported 1st team WR's in 11 personel are consistently Meyer, Tucker and Thornton.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Keep an eye on these positional battles in Raiders training camp
Here are four spots where there will be the most competition for playing time with the Raiders heading into the 2025-2026 season.
lasvegassun.com
Chaka
Footballguy
Man, if they actually hit on Thornton...
Chadstroma
Footballguy
What I Saw At Raiders Training Camp Today? One Rookie, One Veteran Shine
HENDERSON, Nev.—Standing high above his perch overlooking the field, Owner Mark Davis watched Pete Carroll’s first practice of his first Las Vegas Raiders Train
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
There will be lawyers!
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
What is the reverse of the Midas touch? 
darksideofoz
Footballguy
He's already filed a grievance
joey
Footballguy
Poop Fingers?What is the reverse of the Midas touch?
massraider
Footballguy
Jalen Carter.
That is all
That is all
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
par for the course. Capologists weigh in please. 
Chadstroma
Footballguy
par for the course. Capologists weigh in please.
"The move will create a cap charge of $17.925 million in 2025, with another $55.025 million hitting the cap in 2026.
That said, there's already talk that the team believes Wilkins didn't comply with his rehab plan. That could potentially avoid $8 million in 2025 salary, and another $25.25 million in 2026 salary. Obviously, however, there would be a legal fight over whether any effort to void his guarantees is justified."
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I will not get excited about a free agent signing ever again.
I will not get excited about a free agent signing ever again.
I will not get excited about a free agent signing ever again.
I will not get excited about a free agent signing ever again.
I will not get excited about a free agent signing ever again.
I will not get excited about a free agent signing ever again.
How many times again before I can go to recess?
I will not get excited about a free agent signing ever again.
I will not get excited about a free agent signing ever again.
I will not get excited about a free agent signing ever again.
I will not get excited about a free agent signing ever again.
I will not get excited about a free agent signing ever again.
How many times again before I can go to recess?
joey
Footballguy
Cursed franchise.par for the course. Capologists weigh in please.
"The move will create a cap charge of $17.925 million in 2025, with another $55.025 million hitting the cap in 2026.
That said, there's already talk that the team believes Wilkins didn't comply with his rehab plan. That could potentially avoid $8 million in 2025 salary, and another $25.25 million in 2026 salary. Obviously, however, there would be a legal fight over whether any effort to void his guarantees is justified."
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Just saw that. My god, imagine losing 35 million dollars for being lazy.
I’m lazy for free!
Wonder how he’ll do on appeal? Bad timing to be counting on the NFLPA for help, too.
Yikes.
massraider
Footballguy
I wonder if they try Tyree inside, and sign another end
LawFitz
Footballguy
par for the course. Capologists weigh in please.
"The move will create a cap charge of $17.925 million in 2025, with another $55.025 million hitting the cap in 2026.
That said, there's already talk that the team believes Wilkins didn't comply with his rehab plan. That could potentially avoid $8 million in 2025 salary, and another $25.25 million in 2026 salary. Obviously, however, there would be a legal fight over whether any effort to void his guarantees is justified."
I don't think they would've cut him unless they had reason to believe they could apply the voids of the 2nd paragraph. Much of the reporting has been vague. Seems they may have voided his guarantees last month and then cut him today when he filed a grievance over those voids. Not sure exactly, but something tells me that video he posted of himself dancing to Boyz 2 Men did not help his cause and may even have become evidence they plan to use against him in any arbitration.
Either way, it seems it was time to move on. Sux, but better to cut bait now rather than keep throwing good money/cap at bad. Spy/Pete aren't ****ing around. You're either with the plan or see ya.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
The number of poor decisions made by this team over the last decades is unbelievable.par for the course. Capologists weigh in please.
"The move will create a cap charge of $17.925 million in 2025, with another $55.025 million hitting the cap in 2026.
That said, there's already talk that the team believes Wilkins didn't comply with his rehab plan. That could potentially avoid $8 million in 2025 salary, and another $25.25 million in 2026 salary. Obviously, however, there would be a legal fight over whether any effort to void his guarantees is justified."
I don't think they would've cut him unless they had reason to believe they could apply the voids of the 2nd paragraph. Much of the reporting has been vague. Seems they may have voided his guarantees last month and then cut him today when he filed a grievance over those voids. Not sure exactly, but something tells me that video he posted of himself dancing to Boyz 2 Men did not help his cause and may even have become evidence they plan to use against him in any arbitration.
Either way, it seems it was time to move on. Sux, but better to cut bait now rather than keep throwing good money/cap at bad. Spy/Pete aren't ****ing around. You're either with the plan or see ya.
A lot of fans have their hopes up that this is the new regime that turns things around. I have seen this movie too many times before and need to see a step or two in the right direction before I buy in.
LawFitz
Footballguy
I would make the case that we've seen a bunch of proper direction steps this offseason, including cutting bait with Wilkins *IF* they are able to void his guarantees.
That said, all those things are on paper and in the ether. Need to back it up with actual progress on the field this season. We'll see, but I am judging this new regime by what they do, not what was before they arrived.
Chaka
Footballguy
Agreed. I also don't view the Wilkins signing as a bad move. It filled a big need and he was producing exactly the way the team hoped. Things got derailed by an unfortunate injury and, that's really all we know at this point.
ZADO
Footballguy
BUH-BYE
ZADO
Footballguy
Per ESPN’s Adam Schefter, “the Raiders voided the remaining $35.2 million of guaranteed money left on Wilkins’ contract last month.” The Raiders’ decision is reportedly “due to how Wilkins treated the rehab from his foot injury he suffered last season.” He signed a four-year, $110 million contract with the team last offseason, but appeared in just five games before suffering the season-ending injury. He totaled 14 tackles, nine quarterback pressures and two sacks while active. Wilkins reportedly filed a grievance with the NFLPA today. NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport adds that the team asked Wilkins to undergo surgery to correct the injury but Wilkins declined.
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Footballguy
I can’t help but think that cutting Wilkinson is evidence that Mork is cash strapped. Yes, I know he has that big, new stadium that is supposedly a cash cow. If that is the case why has he sold over 25% of the team the past few years?
If you look at how the team has reacted to some of the high priced contracts through that lens, things seem to make sense. Signing, then cutting Garopollo in one season. Botching Carr’s release and receiving zero compensation. Now Wilkinson.
Granted they signed Max to a big deal. But maybe that pushed Mork’s budget to the limit(?)
If Wilkinson signs elsewhere and tears it up, that will just add fuel to my hypothesis.
If you look at how the team has reacted to some of the high priced contracts through that lens, things seem to make sense. Signing, then cutting Garopollo in one season. Botching Carr’s release and receiving zero compensation. Now Wilkinson.
Granted they signed Max to a big deal. But maybe that pushed Mork’s budget to the limit(?)
If Wilkinson signs elsewhere and tears it up, that will just add fuel to my hypothesis.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
You thinking cutting Jimmy "Noddle Arm" G was a cash flow decision? Really? No, seriously, really?
Carr was botched for sure but that seemed more like ineptitude than anything.
Wilkinson is interesting but it feels more like looking for an opportunity to move on from him with an ejection on the contract that had a chance to make it not hurt as much. It is a huge gamble to take if you were just looking to save cash flow because if he wins... ouch.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Raiders sell out every game with the highest ticket prices in the NFL. They aren't in Oakland anymore. This move much more likely had to do with saving future cap dollars while also moving on from a guy who wasn't committed to the new program in place to the degree you'd expect while being paid as a franchise player.
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