2025 Las Vegas Raiders thread - ☠ New innovation on being a **** show ☠ (26 Viewers)

[Chaka]

I would absolutely be happy with Jeanty but the old school football guy in me says grab the best OT (Campbell, Banks, Membou... whichever) at #6

Heck, I might be okay if they ignore the RB position entirely and prioritize OL, DB, LB, DL. I find it hard to believe that a guy from one of those groups won't be, arguably, the BPA anytime the Raiders are in the clock.

I am not entirely convinced Zamir is a bust. He flashed a bunch in '23 in a different blocking scheme than '24. I'm willing to let Kelly try to unlock him. If not, go get Dobbins or Chubb for a year and see what happens.

A speculative QB in the draft is okay, I guess, but O'Connell is a fine backup so, IMO, go get as many contributors and legitimate depth players as possible for what is one of the thinnest rosters in the league.

Not many, hell barely any 4th round+ QBs pan out so if they're not going big at the position in 2025 I have no problem waiting.

 

[massraider]

I don't want a RB in the first, but if this kid is Ladanian, it's worth it. He had more yards after contact than most RB had total, some insane stat I've never even heard of before. I won't be mad if we take him.

 

[massraider]

Raiders were considering Christian Ellis, Pats LB, a restricted free agent. If they added him to Elandon, and Eichenberg, and Burney and Gainer, they might have their whole LB core for the same price as Spillane.

 

[Chaka]

I don't want a RB in the first, but if this kid is Ladanian, it's worth it. He had more yards after contact than most RB had total, some insane stat I've never even heard of before. I won't be mad if we take him.

I consider LT2 to be one of the best RBs I have ever seen play. His game had zero weaknesses, IMO.

He gave San Diego eight elite seasons (well seven plus one solid season). If Jeanty can do that, sign me up all day, every day.

 

[Chadstroma]

I don't want a RB in the first, but if this kid is Ladanian, it's worth it. He had more yards after contact than most RB had total, some insane stat I've never even heard of before. I won't be mad if we take him.

I consider LT2 to be one of the best RBs I have ever seen play. His game had zero weaknesses, IMO.

He gave San Diego eight elite seasons (well seven plus one solid season). If Jeanty can do that, sign me up all day, every day.

I am not going to lie and say I have seen anything more than a few highlights but I keep hearing the LT comparison. That is an impact player... yes, you want to build the lines but you can't ignore impact players like that when they are available. When you have the opportunity to get an impact player like Bowers or Jeanty... you do it. (Assuming the LT comparisons are anywhere near being legit).

 

[Chaka]

I don't want a RB in the first, but if this kid is Ladanian, it's worth it. He had more yards after contact than most RB had total, some insane stat I've never even heard of before. I won't be mad if we take him.

I consider LT2 to be one of the best RBs I have ever seen play. His game had zero weaknesses, IMO.

He gave San Diego eight elite seasons (well seven plus one solid season). If Jeanty can do that, sign me up all day, every day.

I am not going to lie and say I have seen anything more than a few highlights but I keep hearing the LT comparison. That is an impact player... yes, you want to build the lines but you can't ignore impact players like that when they are available. When you have the opportunity to get an impact player like Bowers or Jeanty... you do it. (Assuming the LT comparisons are anywhere near being legit).

I agree. But, assuming we're talking about players of equivalent caliber, doesn't an impact OT provide more benefit than an impact RB?

 

[Hankmoody]

Azeez Ojulari to PHI 1 year $4M. That makes me a sad banana, especially after losing Chaisson.

 

[Chadstroma]

I don't want a RB in the first, but if this kid is Ladanian, it's worth it. He had more yards after contact than most RB had total, some insane stat I've never even heard of before. I won't be mad if we take him.

I consider LT2 to be one of the best RBs I have ever seen play. His game had zero weaknesses, IMO.

He gave San Diego eight elite seasons (well seven plus one solid season). If Jeanty can do that, sign me up all day, every day.

I am not going to lie and say I have seen anything more than a few highlights but I keep hearing the LT comparison. That is an impact player... yes, you want to build the lines but you can't ignore impact players like that when they are available. When you have the opportunity to get an impact player like Bowers or Jeanty... you do it. (Assuming the LT comparisons are anywhere near being legit).

I agree. But, assuming we're talking about players of equivalent caliber, doesn't an impact OT provide more benefit than an impact RB?

I am not hearing any comparisons to Orlando Pace for these OT's which would need to be the similar type of comparison. LD was one of the all time greats. He carried those Dolt teams game after game.

 

[LawFitz]

After listening to more opinions and cross referencing available highlights, I'm convinced Shede Sanders is being slept on right now and will be a top-ten pick when the dust settles. His arm is way more live than given credit and uber-accurate, and he's well experienced with NFL-style offense + poor OL play, typical death knells for rookie QBs.

Combine Shede's history with Brady and I'm thinking the Raiders may be looking to pull a Falcons move by acquiring Geno ahead of the draft. Makes it more likely a team in front of them won't hold Sanders hostage if they seek a trade up, and/or that a team behind them won't trade up to #3-5 to swoop if the Browns and Giants pass.

 

[Chaka]

I don't want a RB in the first, but if this kid is Ladanian, it's worth it. He had more yards after contact than most RB had total, some insane stat I've never even heard of before. I won't be mad if we take him.

I consider LT2 to be one of the best RBs I have ever seen play. His game had zero weaknesses, IMO.

He gave San Diego eight elite seasons (well seven plus one solid season). If Jeanty can do that, sign me up all day, every day.

I am not going to lie and say I have seen anything more than a few highlights but I keep hearing the LT comparison. That is an impact player... yes, you want to build the lines but you can't ignore impact players like that when they are available. When you have the opportunity to get an impact player like Bowers or Jeanty... you do it. (Assuming the LT comparisons are anywhere near being legit).

I agree. But, assuming we're talking about players of equivalent caliber, doesn't an impact OT provide more benefit than an impact RB?

I am not hearing any comparisons to Orlando Pace for these OT's which would need to be the similar type of comparison. LD was one of the all time greats. He carried those Dolt teams game after game.

I wouldn't know about the OTs, but I'm not necessarily caught up in the hype train that marks this time of year.

If Jeanty really is what people are saying then I would be fine with the pick. But I will also be happy if they take an OT or a DB at #6 instead.

 

[Chaka]

Chargers signing Andre James.

Interesting tidbit: in six seasons, 89 games with 60 starts James has committed a grand total of seven penalties. Only three holding calls against.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Chargers signing Andre James.

Interesting tidbit: in six seasons, 89 games with 60 starts James has committed a grand total of seven penalties. Only three holding calls against.

Mid

 

[LawFitz]

Chargers signing Andre James.

Interesting tidbit: in six seasons, 89 games with 60 starts James has committed a grand total of seven penalties. Only three holding calls against.

Mid

Even less in anything but outside ZBS. James should have signed with Shanny and the Niners if he really wanted to live his best NFL life.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Chargers signing Andre James.

Interesting tidbit: in six seasons, 89 games with 60 starts James has committed a grand total of seven penalties. Only three holding calls against.

Mid

Even less in anything but outside ZBS. James should have signed with Shanny and the Niners if he really wanted to live his best NFL life.

Yep

 

[rockaction]

Raiders were considering Christian Ellis, Pats LB, a restricted free agent.

Elliss family is a special family. Kaden of Atlanta, Jonah of Denver, and Christian of NE all in the NFL and burgeoning talents even though they didn't have much draft capital from their relative schools.

I have Christian in an IDP league and I would expect he would wind up starting for the Raiders given that crew so far (as time went along and if they don't improve in the draft). He started a bunch for New England this year but was dinged up a bit.

 

[Tau837]

Saw a note somewhere recent suggesting offering the Pats AOC for Joe Milton.

Noted fan of AOC's potential, but his pocket presence and functional NFL mobility are a problem. I'd take Milton heading into 2025, easily.

Why would NE do that? Are you talking about adding more to the offer in addition to AOC?

 

[Tau837]

I don't want a RB in the first, but if this kid is Ladanian, it's worth it. He had more yards after contact than most RB had total, some insane stat I've never even heard of before. I won't be mad if we take him.

I consider LT2 to be one of the best RBs I have ever seen play. His game had zero weaknesses, IMO.

He gave San Diego eight elite seasons (well seven plus one solid season). If Jeanty can do that, sign me up all day, every day.

I am not going to lie and say I have seen anything more than a few highlights but I keep hearing the LT comparison. That is an impact player... yes, you want to build the lines but you can't ignore impact players like that when they are available. When you have the opportunity to get an impact player like Bowers or Jeanty... you do it. (Assuming the LT comparisons are anywhere near being legit).

I agree. But, assuming we're talking about players of equivalent caliber, doesn't an impact OT provide more benefit than an impact RB?

Which OTs drafted in the past 3 drafts would have provided more impact than Tomlinson? I realize Jeanty = Tomlinson is a projection, and it might not be accurate. But if that is the choice, I think few OTs trump LT.

 

[travdogg]

Saw a note somewhere recent suggesting offering the Pats AOC for Joe Milton.

Noted fan of AOC's potential, but his pocket presence and functional NFL mobility are a problem. I'd take Milton heading into 2025, easily.

Why would NE do that? Are you talking about adding more to the offer in addition to AOC?

Right? I would think 32 teams would prefer Milton to O'Connell. At least a 4th/5th rounder would need to be added.

 

[Chaka]

I don't want a RB in the first, but if this kid is Ladanian, it's worth it. He had more yards after contact than most RB had total, some insane stat I've never even heard of before. I won't be mad if we take him.

I consider LT2 to be one of the best RBs I have ever seen play. His game had zero weaknesses, IMO.

He gave San Diego eight elite seasons (well seven plus one solid season). If Jeanty can do that, sign me up all day, every day.

I am not going to lie and say I have seen anything more than a few highlights but I keep hearing the LT comparison. That is an impact player... yes, you want to build the lines but you can't ignore impact players like that when they are available. When you have the opportunity to get an impact player like Bowers or Jeanty... you do it. (Assuming the LT comparisons are anywhere near being legit).

I agree. But, assuming we're talking about players of equivalent caliber, doesn't an impact OT provide more benefit than an impact RB?

Which OTs drafted in the past 3 drafts would have provided more impact than Tomlinson? I realize Jeanty = Tomlinson is a projection, and it might not be accurate. But if that is the choice, I think few OTs trump LT.

Penei Sewell went with pick 7 in 2021. He's in the conversation for best player in the league.

I'm a big fan of Joe Alt too.

 

[DocHolliday]

I don't want a RB in the first, but if this kid is Ladanian, it's worth it. He had more yards after contact than most RB had total, some insane stat I've never even heard of before. I won't be mad if we take him.

I consider LT2 to be one of the best RBs I have ever seen play. His game had zero weaknesses, IMO.

He gave San Diego eight elite seasons (well seven plus one solid season). If Jeanty can do that, sign me up all day, every day.

I am not going to lie and say I have seen anything more than a few highlights but I keep hearing the LT comparison. That is an impact player... yes, you want to build the lines but you can't ignore impact players like that when they are available. When you have the opportunity to get an impact player like Bowers or Jeanty... you do it. (Assuming the LT comparisons are anywhere near being legit).

I agree. But, assuming we're talking about players of equivalent caliber, doesn't an impact OT provide more benefit than an impact RB?

Which OTs drafted in the past 3 drafts would have provided more impact than Tomlinson? I realize Jeanty = Tomlinson is a projection, and it might not be accurate. But if that is the choice, I think few OTs trump LT.

LV can get a very talented RB in round 2 and seriously upgrade another position of need in round 1. Just because Philly and Barkley made RBs relevant again doesn’t mean LV should draft the best RB at 1.06 when there are so many giant holes to fill. Philly crushed KC in the SB mostly due to an extremely talented front 4. LV was stupid for passing on Carter on draft day and that piss poor decision looks absolutely horrible now.

 

[kaso]

LB Christian Elliss signed an offer sheet with the Raiders. The Patriots have until Monday to match/beat.

 

[Tau837]

I don't want a RB in the first, but if this kid is Ladanian, it's worth it. He had more yards after contact than most RB had total, some insane stat I've never even heard of before. I won't be mad if we take him.

I consider LT2 to be one of the best RBs I have ever seen play. His game had zero weaknesses, IMO.

He gave San Diego eight elite seasons (well seven plus one solid season). If Jeanty can do that, sign me up all day, every day.

I am not going to lie and say I have seen anything more than a few highlights but I keep hearing the LT comparison. That is an impact player... yes, you want to build the lines but you can't ignore impact players like that when they are available. When you have the opportunity to get an impact player like Bowers or Jeanty... you do it. (Assuming the LT comparisons are anywhere near being legit).

I agree. But, assuming we're talking about players of equivalent caliber, doesn't an impact OT provide more benefit than an impact RB?

Which OTs drafted in the past 3 drafts would have provided more impact than Tomlinson? I realize Jeanty = Tomlinson is a projection, and it might not be accurate. But if that is the choice, I think few OTs trump LT.

Penei Sewell went with pick 7 in 2021. He's in the conversation for best player in the league.

I'm a big fan of Joe Alt too.

Okay. I said in the past 3 drafts, so you went further back. But, fine. Agree on Alt. So, say 2 players in the past 4 years were more valuable than LT. How likely is it that there is a OT equivalent to Sewell/Alt who the Raiders should take at 1.6?

 

[massraider]

You give me a choice between an A+ back and a B- left tackle, or a B- back and an A+ ledt tackle, I'll take the stud back. Much more dangerous team.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I don't want a RB in the first, but if this kid is Ladanian, it's worth it. He had more yards after contact than most RB had total, some insane stat I've never even heard of before. I won't be mad if we take him.

I consider LT2 to be one of the best RBs I have ever seen play. His game had zero weaknesses, IMO.

He gave San Diego eight elite seasons (well seven plus one solid season). If Jeanty can do that, sign me up all day, every day.

I am not going to lie and say I have seen anything more than a few highlights but I keep hearing the LT comparison. That is an impact player... yes, you want to build the lines but you can't ignore impact players like that when they are available. When you have the opportunity to get an impact player like Bowers or Jeanty... you do it. (Assuming the LT comparisons are anywhere near being legit).

I agree. But, assuming we're talking about players of equivalent caliber, doesn't an impact OT provide more benefit than an impact RB?

Which OTs drafted in the past 3 drafts would have provided more impact than Tomlinson? I realize Jeanty = Tomlinson is a projection, and it might not be accurate. But if that is the choice, I think few OTs trump LT.

LV can get a very talented RB in round 2 and seriously upgrade another position of need in round 1. Just because Philly and Barkley made RBs relevant again doesn’t mean LV should draft the best RB at 1.06 when there are so many giant holes to fill. Philly crushed KC in the SB mostly due to an extremely talented front 4. LV was stupid for passing on Carter on draft day and that piss poor decision looks absolutely horrible now.

Looked absolute horrible then.

 

[Chaka]

I don't want a RB in the first, but if this kid is Ladanian, it's worth it. He had more yards after contact than most RB had total, some insane stat I've never even heard of before. I won't be mad if we take him.

I consider LT2 to be one of the best RBs I have ever seen play. His game had zero weaknesses, IMO.

He gave San Diego eight elite seasons (well seven plus one solid season). If Jeanty can do that, sign me up all day, every day.

I am not going to lie and say I have seen anything more than a few highlights but I keep hearing the LT comparison. That is an impact player... yes, you want to build the lines but you can't ignore impact players like that when they are available. When you have the opportunity to get an impact player like Bowers or Jeanty... you do it. (Assuming the LT comparisons are anywhere near being legit).

I agree. But, assuming we're talking about players of equivalent caliber, doesn't an impact OT provide more benefit than an impact RB?

Which OTs drafted in the past 3 drafts would have provided more impact than Tomlinson? I realize Jeanty = Tomlinson is a projection, and it might not be accurate. But if that is the choice, I think few OTs trump LT.

Penei Sewell went with pick 7 in 2021. He's in the conversation for best player in the league.

I'm a big fan of Joe Alt too.

Okay. I said in the past 3 drafts, so you went further back. But, fine. Agree on Alt. So, say 2 players in the past 4 years were more valuable than LT. How likely is it that there is a OT equivalent to Sewell/Alt who the Raiders should take at 1.6?

The three year cut off felt very intentional so as to eliminate Sewell. Rashawn Slater was taken at #13 in the same draft and he is one heckuvan OL anchor as well.

How many LT2s have come out in the last 3-4 years? Maybe Jaymyr and Bijan?

You also need to factor in what the hit rate is for an OT vs a RB from round two and beyond. Particularly compared to the RB drafted later who has Alt, Sewell, Slater blocking for him.

If Jeanty is everything they say, and he may be, then I'll be excited if the Raiders take him. But, I don't think he is the positional difference maker for a team with so many other needs.

 

[Chaka]

You give me a choice between an A+ back and a B- left tackle, or a B- back and an A+ ledt tackle, I'll take the stud back. Much more dangerous team.

I'll take the other side of that equation.

Much more complete team.

 

[massraider]

In general, I am fine with every move. The Geno move, the new front office showed me something with that move.

But it's really interesting to me that the Raiders are getting a pass on dropping a front office that had a really good looking draft. The team got a Tom Brady mulligan

 

[Chaka]

In general, I am fine with every move. The Geno move, the new front office showed me something with that move.

But it's really interesting to me that the Raiders are getting a pass on dropping a front office that had a really good looking draft. The team got a Tom Brady mulligan

Yeah, after such a good draft in '24 i thought Telesco would get a chance to pick his own coach in '25 (pretty sure AP was a Mark Davis thing).

But, I assume Brady had other ideas.

 

[ICON211]

In general, I am fine with every move. The Geno move, the new front office showed me something with that move.

But it's really interesting to me that the Raiders are getting a pass on dropping a front office that had a really good looking draft. The team got a Tom Brady mulligan

Yeah, after such a good draft in '24 i thought Telesco would get a chance to pick his own coach in '25 (pretty sure AP was a Mark Davis thing).

But, I assume Brady had other ideas.

Yes, AP was already named coach before Telesco was hired.

 

[Tau837]

I don't want a RB in the first, but if this kid is Ladanian, it's worth it. He had more yards after contact than most RB had total, some insane stat I've never even heard of before. I won't be mad if we take him.

I consider LT2 to be one of the best RBs I have ever seen play. His game had zero weaknesses, IMO.

He gave San Diego eight elite seasons (well seven plus one solid season). If Jeanty can do that, sign me up all day, every day.

I am not going to lie and say I have seen anything more than a few highlights but I keep hearing the LT comparison. That is an impact player... yes, you want to build the lines but you can't ignore impact players like that when they are available. When you have the opportunity to get an impact player like Bowers or Jeanty... you do it. (Assuming the LT comparisons are anywhere near being legit).

I agree. But, assuming we're talking about players of equivalent caliber, doesn't an impact OT provide more benefit than an impact RB?

Which OTs drafted in the past 3 drafts would have provided more impact than Tomlinson? I realize Jeanty = Tomlinson is a projection, and it might not be accurate. But if that is the choice, I think few OTs trump LT.

Penei Sewell went with pick 7 in 2021. He's in the conversation for best player in the league.

I'm a big fan of Joe Alt too.

Okay. I said in the past 3 drafts, so you went further back. But, fine. Agree on Alt. So, say 2 players in the past 4 years were more valuable than LT. How likely is it that there is a OT equivalent to Sewell/Alt who the Raiders should take at 1.6?

The three year cut off felt very intentional so as to eliminate Sewell. Rashawn Slater was taken at #13 in the same draft and he is one heckuvan OL anchor as well.

How many LT2s have come out in the last 3-4 years? Maybe Jaymyr and Bijan?

You also need to factor in what the hit rate is for an OT vs a RB from round two and beyond. Particularly compared to the RB drafted later who has Alt, Sewell, Slater blocking for him.

If Jeanty is everything they say, and he may be, then I'll be excited if the Raiders take him. But, I don't think he is the positional difference maker for a team with so many other needs.

I did not cherry pick the cutoff. Go back 10 years if it matters. I love Slater and Alt as a Chargers fan and I recognize the value of Sewell. Would I take any one of them over Tomlinson knowing what I know now? No way.

Are Gibbs or Bijan equivalent to Tomlinson? No way in my book. Very long way to go to even consider that.

I acknowledged that Jeanty may not really be equivalent to Tomlinson. If not, that changes things. But that is the premise I commented on.

 

[ICON211]

Here is the thing for me.....I think there is a much better chance Jeanty is an elite all-pro level RB than any of the offensice linemen in this draft are all-pro linemen.

 

[joey]

I don't want a RB in the first, but if this kid is Ladanian, it's worth it. He had more yards after contact than most RB had total, some insane stat I've never even heard of before. I won't be mad if we take him.

I consider LT2 to be one of the best RBs I have ever seen play. His game had zero weaknesses, IMO.

He gave San Diego eight elite seasons (well seven plus one solid season). If Jeanty can do that, sign me up all day, every day.

I am not going to lie and say I have seen anything more than a few highlights but I keep hearing the LT comparison. That is an impact player... yes, you want to build the lines but you can't ignore impact players like that when they are available. When you have the opportunity to get an impact player like Bowers or Jeanty... you do it. (Assuming the LT comparisons are anywhere near being legit).

I agree. But, assuming we're talking about players of equivalent caliber, doesn't an impact OT provide more benefit than an impact RB?

Which OTs drafted in the past 3 drafts would have provided more impact than Tomlinson? I realize Jeanty = Tomlinson is a projection, and it might not be accurate. But if that is the choice, I think few OTs trump LT.

Penei Sewell went with pick 7 in 2021. He's in the conversation for best player in the league.

I'm a big fan of Joe Alt too.

Okay. I said in the past 3 drafts, so you went further back. But, fine. Agree on Alt. So, say 2 players in the past 4 years were more valuable than LT. How likely is it that there is a OT equivalent to Sewell/Alt who the Raiders should take at 1.6?

The three year cut off felt very intentional so as to eliminate Sewell. Rashawn Slater was taken at #13 in the same draft and he is one heckuvan OL anchor as well.

How many LT2s have come out in the last 3-4 years? Maybe Jaymyr and Bijan?

You also need to factor in what the hit rate is for an OT vs a RB from round two and beyond. Particularly compared to the RB drafted later who has Alt, Sewell, Slater blocking for him.

If Jeanty is everything they say, and he may be, then I'll be excited if the Raiders take him. But, I don't think he is the positional difference maker for a team with so many other needs.

I did not cherry pick the cutoff. Go back 10 years if it matters. I love Slater and Alt as a Chargers fan and I recognize the value of Sewell. Would I take any one of them over Tomlinson knowing what I know now? No way.

Are Gibbs or Bijan equivalent to Tomlinson? No way in my book. Very long way to go to even consider that.

I acknowledged that Jeanty may not really be equivalent to Tomlinson. If not, that changes things. But that is the premise I commented on.

Regardless of how many years we go back… For THIS draft, is there an Alt/Sewell level O Lineman worthy of the 6th overall pick?
I’m honestly asking. I don’t follow college prospects closely enough and just look at all the mocks Faust posts in the 2025 Draft Prospects thread

 

[ICON211]

I think there are four players in this draft that are as sure a thing as you can get to a can't miss pick:

Abdul Carter
Travis Hunter
Jeanty
Tyler Warren

I thought the same thing about Bowers last year. Always a fan of taking guys in the first with a very high ceiling while also having a smaller chance of being a bust.

 

[joey]

I think there are four players in this draft that are as sure a thing as you can get to a can't miss pick:

Abdul Carter
Travis Hunter
Jeanty
Tyler Warren

I thought the same thing about Bowers last year. Always a fan of taking guys in the first with a very high ceiling while also having a smaller chance of being a bust.

Stinks that one of the slam dunks is yet another TE. So realistically only 3 Game Changers that we’d consider at 1.6.
I wasn’t crazy about Bowers being drafted last year but it’s obvious what the benefits are of going BPA regardless of need so, like others, I’d be fine if Jeanty is sitting there and 1.6 and the Raiders draft him. Could do much worth than trotting out a top 10 NFL RB while you build the rest of the pieces of the team around him (in our case, it’s really just missing a WR1 at this point, besides RB AOC course).

Can’t wait for the draft to arrive!

 

[Chaka]

I don't want a RB in the first, but if this kid is Ladanian, it's worth it. He had more yards after contact than most RB had total, some insane stat I've never even heard of before. I won't be mad if we take him.

I consider LT2 to be one of the best RBs I have ever seen play. His game had zero weaknesses, IMO.

He gave San Diego eight elite seasons (well seven plus one solid season). If Jeanty can do that, sign me up all day, every day.

I am not going to lie and say I have seen anything more than a few highlights but I keep hearing the LT comparison. That is an impact player... yes, you want to build the lines but you can't ignore impact players like that when they are available. When you have the opportunity to get an impact player like Bowers or Jeanty... you do it. (Assuming the LT comparisons are anywhere near being legit).

I agree. But, assuming we're talking about players of equivalent caliber, doesn't an impact OT provide more benefit than an impact RB?

Which OTs drafted in the past 3 drafts would have provided more impact than Tomlinson? I realize Jeanty = Tomlinson is a projection, and it might not be accurate. But if that is the choice, I think few OTs trump LT.

Penei Sewell went with pick 7 in 2021. He's in the conversation for best player in the league.

I'm a big fan of Joe Alt too.

Okay. I said in the past 3 drafts, so you went further back. But, fine. Agree on Alt. So, say 2 players in the past 4 years were more valuable than LT. How likely is it that there is a OT equivalent to Sewell/Alt who the Raiders should take at 1.6?

The three year cut off felt very intentional so as to eliminate Sewell. Rashawn Slater was taken at #13 in the same draft and he is one heckuvan OL anchor as well.

How many LT2s have come out in the last 3-4 years? Maybe Jaymyr and Bijan?

You also need to factor in what the hit rate is for an OT vs a RB from round two and beyond. Particularly compared to the RB drafted later who has Alt, Sewell, Slater blocking for him.

If Jeanty is everything they say, and he may be, then I'll be excited if the Raiders take him. But, I don't think he is the positional difference maker for a team with so many other needs.

I did not cherry pick the cutoff. Go back 10 years if it matters. I love Slater and Alt as a Chargers fan and I recognize the value of Sewell. Would I take any one of them over Tomlinson knowing what I know now? No way.

Are Gibbs or Bijan equivalent to Tomlinson? No way in my book. Very long way to go to even consider that.

I acknowledged that Jeanty may not really be equivalent to Tomlinson. If not, that changes things. But that is the premise I commented on.

I guess you and I have a different perspectives on positional value. LT2 was one of my favorite players to watch, even as a Raider fan, but I'll take an all world OT over an all world RB every time.

I have no idea if there is a future all pro RB or OT in this draft.

 

[Chaka]

Trade up to #3 or #4 and go grab Travis Hunter.

Profit!!!

 

[Chaka]

Here is the thing for me.....I think there is a much better chance Jeanty is an elite all-pro level RB than any of the offensice linemen in this draft are all-pro linemen.

It's tough to argue against that.

 

[Tau837]

I don't want a RB in the first, but if this kid is Ladanian, it's worth it. He had more yards after contact than most RB had total, some insane stat I've never even heard of before. I won't be mad if we take him.

I consider LT2 to be one of the best RBs I have ever seen play. His game had zero weaknesses, IMO.

He gave San Diego eight elite seasons (well seven plus one solid season). If Jeanty can do that, sign me up all day, every day.

I am not going to lie and say I have seen anything more than a few highlights but I keep hearing the LT comparison. That is an impact player... yes, you want to build the lines but you can't ignore impact players like that when they are available. When you have the opportunity to get an impact player like Bowers or Jeanty... you do it. (Assuming the LT comparisons are anywhere near being legit).

I agree. But, assuming we're talking about players of equivalent caliber, doesn't an impact OT provide more benefit than an impact RB?

Which OTs drafted in the past 3 drafts would have provided more impact than Tomlinson? I realize Jeanty = Tomlinson is a projection, and it might not be accurate. But if that is the choice, I think few OTs trump LT.

Penei Sewell went with pick 7 in 2021. He's in the conversation for best player in the league.

I'm a big fan of Joe Alt too.

Okay. I said in the past 3 drafts, so you went further back. But, fine. Agree on Alt. So, say 2 players in the past 4 years were more valuable than LT. How likely is it that there is a OT equivalent to Sewell/Alt who the Raiders should take at 1.6?

The three year cut off felt very intentional so as to eliminate Sewell. Rashawn Slater was taken at #13 in the same draft and he is one heckuvan OL anchor as well.

How many LT2s have come out in the last 3-4 years? Maybe Jaymyr and Bijan?

You also need to factor in what the hit rate is for an OT vs a RB from round two and beyond. Particularly compared to the RB drafted later who has Alt, Sewell, Slater blocking for him.

If Jeanty is everything they say, and he may be, then I'll be excited if the Raiders take him. But, I don't think he is the positional difference maker for a team with so many other needs.

I did not cherry pick the cutoff. Go back 10 years if it matters. I love Slater and Alt as a Chargers fan and I recognize the value of Sewell. Would I take any one of them over Tomlinson knowing what I know now? No way.

Are Gibbs or Bijan equivalent to Tomlinson? No way in my book. Very long way to go to even consider that.

I acknowledged that Jeanty may not really be equivalent to Tomlinson. If not, that changes things. But that is the premise I commented on.

I guess you and I have a different perspectives on positional value. LT2 was one of my favorite players to watch, even as a Raider fan, but I'll take an all world OT over an all world RB every time.

I have no idea if there is a future all pro RB or OT in this draft.

The point is, there is no "all world" tackle available in this draft, and there may be an "all world" RB available at 1.6. Are you insistent that OT > RB regardless?

 

[SDJohnny]

Wilkens quietly restructured his contract. Raiders have $50 mil in cap space, $44 in effective cap space. Geno is already counting $31m against the cap at the moment.

 

[Chaka]

I don't want a RB in the first, but if this kid is Ladanian, it's worth it. He had more yards after contact than most RB had total, some insane stat I've never even heard of before. I won't be mad if we take him.

I consider LT2 to be one of the best RBs I have ever seen play. His game had zero weaknesses, IMO.

He gave San Diego eight elite seasons (well seven plus one solid season). If Jeanty can do that, sign me up all day, every day.

I am not going to lie and say I have seen anything more than a few highlights but I keep hearing the LT comparison. That is an impact player... yes, you want to build the lines but you can't ignore impact players like that when they are available. When you have the opportunity to get an impact player like Bowers or Jeanty... you do it. (Assuming the LT comparisons are anywhere near being legit).

I agree. But, assuming we're talking about players of equivalent caliber, doesn't an impact OT provide more benefit than an impact RB?

Which OTs drafted in the past 3 drafts would have provided more impact than Tomlinson? I realize Jeanty = Tomlinson is a projection, and it might not be accurate. But if that is the choice, I think few OTs trump LT.

Penei Sewell went with pick 7 in 2021. He's in the conversation for best player in the league.

I'm a big fan of Joe Alt too.

Okay. I said in the past 3 drafts, so you went further back. But, fine. Agree on Alt. So, say 2 players in the past 4 years were more valuable than LT. How likely is it that there is a OT equivalent to Sewell/Alt who the Raiders should take at 1.6?

The three year cut off felt very intentional so as to eliminate Sewell. Rashawn Slater was taken at #13 in the same draft and he is one heckuvan OL anchor as well.

How many LT2s have come out in the last 3-4 years? Maybe Jaymyr and Bijan?

You also need to factor in what the hit rate is for an OT vs a RB from round two and beyond. Particularly compared to the RB drafted later who has Alt, Sewell, Slater blocking for him.

If Jeanty is everything they say, and he may be, then I'll be excited if the Raiders take him. But, I don't think he is the positional difference maker for a team with so many other needs.

I did not cherry pick the cutoff. Go back 10 years if it matters. I love Slater and Alt as a Chargers fan and I recognize the value of Sewell. Would I take any one of them over Tomlinson knowing what I know now? No way.

Are Gibbs or Bijan equivalent to Tomlinson? No way in my book. Very long way to go to even consider that.

I acknowledged that Jeanty may not really be equivalent to Tomlinson. If not, that changes things. But that is the premise I commented on.

I guess you and I have a different perspectives on positional value. LT2 was one of my favorite players to watch, even as a Raider fan, but I'll take an all world OT over an all world RB every time.

I have no idea if there is a future all pro RB or OT in this draft.

The point is, there is no "all world" tackle available in this draft, and there may be an "all world" RB available at 1.6. Are you insistent that OT > RB regardless?

You're probably right about the OTs. At least there doesn't seem to be a consensus on who the best one is.

If an organization is truly committed to taking the BPA then you take Jeanty. He seems like the "safest" bet for RoI of the potential BPAs at #6.

I'd be thrilled if the Raiders take him.

But I won't complain if they take their #1 OT instead.

 

[Chadstroma]

If the comparison to Tomlinson is real. If he is that type of impact player then Jeanty is a no brainer for us.

Sure, you can get a RB for cheaper. I am not interested in him because of the RB position having more eyes on it now than the last few years. Yes, I want to favor Oline and Dline but I will take an gamd changing player at any position (LT was a game changer) over a very good OT or DT every time.

Where we need to upgrade is more the interior of the Oline anyways. Sure, an upgrade over Glaze wouldn't be able bad thing but he also showed enough that I am fine going into the season at RT. You typically can find Guards later in the draft and since I am not hearing about any game changer OTs in the draft... give me Jeanty (again, of the evaluation is he is really that good. I haven't done enough research to have that he is that good on my own)

 

[lakerstan]

I’m not a fan of getting an RB here generally, but as defenses focus on a player of his caliber, it opens up so many opportunities in the passing game too - RPO’S and draw plays, etc. Your playbook expands tremendously, and with Chip Kelly running the offense, that’s a huge benefit.

 

[Chaka]

Tevin Jenkins signed by the Browns.

 

[Chadstroma]

Rumors of us trading for George Pickens are heating up. Would certainly fill out #1 WR need and is young.

 

[Chaka]

Rumors of us trading for George Pickens are heating up. Would certainly fill out #1 WR need and is young.

I mean... shouldn't the entire league be deeply concerned when the Steelers give up on a young, "talented" WR?

Plaxico, AB, Martavis, Claypool, Diontae...?

ETA: The Raiders especially so (Martavis & AB).

 

[Chadstroma]

Rumors of us trading for George Pickens are heating up. Would certainly fill out #1 WR need and is young.

I mean... shouldn't the entire league be deeply concerned when the Steelers give up on a young, "talented" WR?

Plaxico, AB, Martavis, Claypool, Diontae...?

ETA: The Raiders especially so (Martavis & AB).

But this time it is different.

 

[DocHolliday]

Rumors of us trading for George Pickens are heating up. Would certainly fill out #1 WR need and is young.

Now that’s the Raiders I know.

They cant be that dumb.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Rumors of us trading for George Pickens are heating up. Would certainly fill out #1 WR need and is young.

I mean... shouldn't the entire league be deeply concerned when the Steelers give up on a young, "talented" WR?

Plaxico, AB, Martavis, Claypool, Diontae...?

ETA: The Raiders especially so (Martavis & AB).

But this time it is different.

I’ll never forget the home opener the AB year. Monday night. The donkeys at the penitentiary. The parking lot was straight fire. An extra 6hours of tailgate and the crowd was ROCKING. People were lighting AB's jerseys on fire in the parking. The F AB chants went ALL night long. For 10 minutes leading up to kickoff and through the first few series, every throat willing to curse was screaming F AB.The MNF crew had to just shrug and say that the fans were voicing their displeasure or some such gold. Every time Ty Williams had a catch the f’ing roof came off. I was hoarse for over a week. Raiders won. Just epic. I miss Oakland.

 

[Chaka]

Rumors of us trading for George Pickens are heating up. Would certainly fill out #1 WR need and is young.

Now that’s the Raiders I know.

They cant be that dumb.

Mark Davis: "Hold my b..."
Tom Brady: "No Mark...hold my beer!"

 

[Sarlakticacid]

Rumors of us trading for George Pickens are heating up. Would certainly fill out #1 WR need and is young.

Now that’s the Raiders I know.

They cant be that dumb.

Mark Davis: "Hold my b..."
Tom Brady: "No Mark...hold my beer!"

Is that a reverse Dutch rudder plus beer?