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2025 Miami Dolphins - 1-6, Currently hold the #2 pick in the draft. (9 Viewers)

I'm hearing @Detroit on Thanksgiving,  :thumbup:

-Gonna be fun to make plans if this rumor is true. I loved playing Dallas on Thanksgiving one year with Don Shula still coaching them. We beat them on a crazy fumble play on a blocked FG if memory serves me. 

Wk 1 @Buffalo...ouch but bring em on. 

Wk 9 Green Bay at Hard Rock-Monday Night Football w/AikBuck 

 
9-11: PATRIOTS...home opener, wow!

Wk 2 @Baltimore

Wk 3 BILLS 

Wk 4 @Cinci on TNF

I might be wrong but I counted up 4 games in 18 days during the month of September. 

-That's an exciting first month for the new coaching staff.  

Wk 5 @NYJ

Wk 6 VIKINGS

Wk 7 STEELERS

Wk 8 @Detroit 

Wk 9 @Chicago...this is early Nov, Miami won't have to leave Florida for a month 

Wk 10 BROWNS

Wk 11 BYE

Wk 12 TEXANS

Miami will come home Nov 6th and won't leave the State for a month until they travel B2B weeks to the West Coast, Coach M&M is going to be so excited with the assistant coaches to travel out West in December his 1st season. 

Wk 13 @San Fran...Homecoming weekend

Wk 14 @LA Chargers...my guess is they stay in California for an extended stay. 

Wk 15 @Buffalo

Wk 16 PACKERS on Christmas Day 1:00

Wk 17 @New England 

Wk 18 JETS 

1st Month is tough, but then they don't see an experienced or dangerous QB until the West Coast trip in December. The last 6 weeks of the schedule while not easy should be a good test of how far Miami advanced or didn't in 2022. 

 
Melvin Ingram had an UFA Tender attached to him and about $4.4M he could cash in on from the Chiefs but chose to come to Miami anyways. 

33 yrs old, hasn't had a lot of sacks lately, can't be for much more than $3-$4M for the season, can mentor Phillips some this year, might not even make the final roster cuts but we'll see.

Van Ginkel is on the last year of his rookie deal, perhaps the Dolphins think they can trade him still and get some value. I'd like to see him stay and play out his rookie deal but I understand if they are at a point they must extend or try to recoup something. Only so many LB slots open and they drafted 2 guys to fit into the F7, then they sign Ingram on top of that. 

Miami as right now has 8 OLBs on the roster, 3 ILBs to boot,  

 
Ministry of Pain said:
Melvin Ingram had an UFA Tender attached to him and about $4.4M he could cash in on from the Chiefs but chose to come to Miami anyways. 

33 yrs old, hasn't had a lot of sacks lately, can't be for much more than $3-$4M for the season, can mentor Phillips some this year, might not even make the final roster cuts but we'll see.

Van Ginkel is on the last year of his rookie deal, perhaps the Dolphins think they can trade him still and get some value. I'd like to see him stay and play out his rookie deal but I understand if they are at a point they must extend or try to recoup something. Only so many LB slots open and they drafted 2 guys to fit into the F7, then they sign Ingram on top of that. 

Miami as right now has 8 OLBs on the roster, 3 ILBs to boot,  
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Ingram had good pressure numbers last year after joining the Chiefs. Maybe he helps Phillips take the next step toward becoming an even better pass rusher. It's a cheap depth signing. The Dolphins had $22 mil in cap space before the move, top 3, and don't need much to sign their rookies. Tretter is still on the table, but they may be cautious about spending  because 2023 and 2024 will be more challenging years for the cap. 

>>The #Dolphins are signing veteran pass-rusher Melvin Ingram, who spent last season with the Steelers and Chiefs, per @Schultz_Report. Ingram had a strong 80.4 PFF grade last season after joining Kansas City. Another veteran addition in Miami.<<

https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1525937327608037377?t=c-gwY7LO9-_OWE4bFe3o6w&s=19

 
Ministry of Pain said:
1st Month is tough, but then they don't see an experienced or dangerous QB until the West Coast trip in December. The last 6 weeks of the schedule while not easy should be a good test of how far Miami advanced or didn't in 2022. 
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Doing the usual schedule gesticulations Miami starts out likely 1-3 gets a mini-bye after playing the Bengals and then goes 11-2 the rest of the season to finish 12-5.  If MM can get them a 2-2 start or 3-1 he should be in line for coach of the year after the first month of the season.  If he goes 0-4 he likely still rebounds the rest of the way but the sharks will be circling in Miami Gardens.

 
Ingram had an impact on the Chiefs . I saw a lot of the Chiefs last year and he was always in the mix. At 33 now who knows but he's not JAG.

 
Would love to fly down to FL to see them play the Steelers in October (Other half is a Steelers fan), but decent ticket prices are already at least $600 for a pair. Ouch!

 
Not sure if anyone else caught the Brandon Jones minicamp video... at the end he speaks to one of the reasons I really like Mike McD.  For better or worse, I've allowed myself to be hopeful whereas cautiously optimistic was my previous self limit.  

https://youtu.be/-SRWcCfwV4o 

 
BobbyLayne said:
Tyreek Hill: Tua Tagovailoa is more accurate than Patrick Mahomes

GOALS: get myself a hype man like Tyreek
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There's a lot of Tua hype and bashing going on. In Miami there's more hype while around the league more bashing. Tua has lost a few pounds, gained strength and muscle, which supposedly will allow him to scramble a little better and make better off-balance throws when he can't set his feet. There's a video  posted by his trainer of a ball thrown 71 yards. With a clean pocket or quick throws, Tua has been very good the last 2 years, but very bad under pressure. He had no help from his oline (worst pass blocking in the league), and 2 of his top receivers (Gesicki and Parker) were near the very bottom in separation 2 years in a row. The offensive system, oline, and receiving core have improved significantly. I'm cautiously optimistic. And btw, Tua had a 67.8% completion percentage last year while Mahomes was at 66.3. 

On October 30, assuming he doesn't get injured (still a concern), Tua will duel Goff. 

 
It's the off season you never want to end.

-Almost scared of the regular season starting with so much hype and anticipation about the 2022 Miami Dolphins. 

I know many of you are not huge LeBatard fans but he captures a lot of the pulse of many folks in a way you don't always hear. I thought I would link This Podcast/Show on Youtube so you get a sense what a lot of fans have felt over the last 2 plus decades. 

The hype for '22 is going to be thru the roof in the coming weeks leading up to Week 1. 

 
Well training camp is upon us and the Phins are getting a lot of hype. Seems like everyone is saying the talent is there how far can Tua take them. I think that is a little unfair because we have to hope the defense is the same or only maybe a small step back without Flo, we really don't know how much a part of their success he was. We do know he likely screwed the offense up so a lot of hope there going forward.  Just stay healthy through camp boys and lets see what we have.

 
The position battle I'm most looking forward to.... OL.  

Sure the RB and WR battle will be tight (they both seem worthy of an indepth MoP thread) 

I just really want the OL solved.  everything else should fall into place if the OL is stable

 
Speaking of RB battles... a thread on the system finding RBs seemingly out of nowhere and that ZaQuandre White.

https://twitter.com/ckparrot/status/1551647805562912768?s=20&t=QrZ1yXkLDRXWLzK6bP-09Q

Chris Kouffman

@ckparrot

Jul 25

Miami's offensive system is notorious for uncovering relatively unknown RBs who go on to become noisy with production. For that reason, as the ONLY hand-picked rookie RB on the roster, there will be a lot of eye balls on ZaQuandre White...regardless of draft pedigree.

 
Coach got his 1st victory.
Bowden made an appearance or two much to my chagrin. They want to trade him if possible and he will never see the light of day on this team as a starter.
That Rookie QB-Skylar Thompson better be on the final roster, he seems like he could be good if he could sit and watch most of this season.
Still not optimistic on Tua, especially when you hear Hill say things like "it's his final year" to show he can be a starter on a recent podcast. He's right of course.
OL was missing some folks, Jackson looks solid at RT. Center is still a problem. Didn't see Armstead or Connor Williams. Did see Eich settle in at LG.
We're no closer to understanding what the running game will look like. Gaskin looked pretty good in limited touches. I don't know how they can cut him
 
-Jaelan Phillips looks like the goods to me. Maybe he didn't get a sack but he was pushing whoever was in front of him backwards. I saw him being held even though it wasn't always called. He had 8 sacks last year, 10-12 or more seems pretty attainable with him. He is starting to look more like the guy in the booth last night working color commentary for the Phins, HoF-Jason Taylor.

-I want to give a big round of applause after a 2nd look to watch a few of the bigger plays last night and Bowden really was instrumental several times. You cannot discount his punt and kick return ability last night. 55/TD thru the air on just 3 catches and then added another 44 yds on 2 returns, that's 100 yds on just 5 touches and also a score. I know it's preseason but you have to look at that and wonder if perhaps he can't carve out the last WR spot on this team. If Miami is going to carry 3-QBs which they might, I don't know where all these roster spots are going to go.

-If you were an NFL GM and watched Skylar Thompson last night and knew Miami was going to go Tua and Teddy, what would you offer for Thompson so you didn't have to try and bid for him should he not make the final roster cuts?

--Myles Gaskin is Miami's RB4...something has gone right at camp this year because he actually looked mobile and was finding holes to run through...thought I might have seen Liam Eichenberg make a pancake on one of those runs but I'd have to watch it again. I'm excited about the potential of the running game before we even start lighting up the fireworks in the passing game.

-I've been away for a few weeks and I didn't know Coach M&M is going to be calling the plays. He's really going to try and do it like Shanahan and I am a little concerned at how uninvolved he seemed when Miami was having some gaffes on Defense. Miami's D started off strong and then they allowed the Bucs to jump up 14-3 and then re-take the lead after Miami had built a 23-14 advantage into the 3rd Q.

The Offense looks like it should be much improved. If the rookie looked decent last night behind a very incomplete OL, imagine what Tua should do behind a re-vamped OL and a strong running game that might actually be the strong part of the offense for once.

I don't think Thompson clears waivers if they try and put him on the practice squad.
Finally, didn't see any of the WR-Easy-E rookie and wanted to see some of what he has been doing at camp.

One more thing...Stephen Ross is going to transfer/sell ownership over to his daughter...that should go well.
 
Cedric Wilson looked good - i didn't realize that he's 6'2". He's a good compliment to Waddle and Hill. Ezukanma caught 2 passes, I think he's #4, with Bowden and Sherfield in the mix to make the team. Preston Williams was reduced to a couple of punt returns, he'll be traded or cut.

I thought Skylar looked good, but so did Reid Sinnett who was scooped off the practice squad last year by the Eagles. The Eagles now have 4 potential rosterable QBs, Hurts, Minshew, Sinnett, and Carson Strong. Skylar has pocket presence and made some good decisions, but he's just a back-up QB. A cheap back-up for 2023 when Miami will have cap issues. Bridgewater is on a 1-year deal.

I haven't seen enough of Phillips to know if he's improved versus the run where he was near the bottom in 2022. He has a chance to get 10+ sacks and many QB pressures. Noah could be cut but now that Trill Williams may be out for the year, he might stick around another year to provide depth.

Next week will be a better test when both teams play their starters.
 
TripleThreat said:
Skylar most definitely looked good… 7th rounder or not. Hard to see him not getting poached.
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I can't seem to get multiple quotes to work but wanted to post back at you and @SoBeDad

-i feel Skylar with enough hands on tutoring from the coaching staff could be groomed into a lot more than a back up if you have some forward thinking. Teddy was a band-aid and one i think will actually come in handy at some point in the season. Still not seeing the maturity issues evolve to my liking with Tua...but there's still time for him to prove otherwise, I'm not getting down on Tua but I like Skylar for many of the same reasons you all mentioned. Under contract for the next 3-4 seasons and we aren't likely to draft a QB next season in a very rich QB class which irks me but I don't want to dwell in negativity like so many of my Phins' posts over the years, trying to move forward but still keep a realistic POV.

-I'm saying that Skylar should continue to take reps in the preseason, Teddy doesn't need to be running the Offense unless there is something horrible that unfolds with the QB spot.
Again i will mention that a spot for Skylar might be super costly depending on who has to be cut to keep 3 QBs on the roster, a total luxury for most teams.

B2B winning seasons, can we make it 3 in a row? :thumbup:
 
Ministry of Pain said:
TripleThreat said:
Skylar most definitely looked good… 7th rounder or not. Hard to see him not getting poached.
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I can't seem to get multiple quotes to work but wanted to post back at you and @SoBeDad

-i feel Skylar with enough hands on tutoring from the coaching staff could be groomed into a lot more than a back up if you have some forward thinking. Teddy was a band-aid and one i think will actually come in handy at some point in the season. Still not seeing the maturity issues evolve to my liking with Tua...but there's still time for him to prove otherwise, I'm not getting down on Tua but I like Skylar for many of the same reasons you all mentioned. Under contract for the next 3-4 seasons and we aren't likely to draft a QB next season in a very rich QB class which irks me but I don't want to dwell in negativity like so many of my Phins' posts over the years, trying to move forward but still keep a realistic POV.

-I'm saying that Skylar should continue to take reps in the preseason, Teddy doesn't need to be running the Offense unless there is something horrible that unfolds with the QB spot.
Again i will mention that a spot for Skylar might be super costly depending on who has to be cut to keep 3 QBs on the roster, a total luxury for most teams.

B2B winning seasons, can we make it 3 in a row? :thumbup:
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Not ready to go crazy yet, but the reports out of the joint practices also had the Phins D frustrating Brady a lot, as well as Tua looking good vs Tampa's D. The game itself was somewhat meaningless, but a few guys looked good and we likely lost a decent rookie CB for the season. Next week Miami is at home so we should get a better feel for this team.
 
Undrafted 2nd year CB Trill Williams is out for the year with a torn ACL. He had a good camp and was in line for CB #4. With Brandon Jones on the PUP after an "achilles cleanup" a veteran CB will likely be brought in. ST ace Keion Crossen played well at CB, so maybe we'll be ok. Can't rely on Noah. The 2020 draft should be enough reason to get rid of Grier, unless Miami unexpectedly makes the playoffs in a very tough AFC.

 
LB-Cameron Goode
7th Rd-California
He had 6 tackles and 5 of them Solo which was best of the night from what i saw. I like Channing Tindall who we drafted towards the end of the 3rd but honestly I thought Goode looked better last night and faster to closing holes and getting guys on the ground.
That's the 3rd or 4th Rookie I would say from a very short draft class that is looking like they might potentially make the cuts.
 
BobbyLayne said:
McBigballs was gonna take him out

See how the KR pulls up short? He knew. 5'9' 170 pounds of hurt, you don't want any of that.

Is The Shark Pool dying? This thread should have ten posts a day. Miami is going places.
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They might not win many games, but the Lions and Dolphins have 2 of the most entertaining head coaches in the NFL. Actually, I'd bet on the Lions having a winning record this year. Miami has a tougher schedule, and I'm still not sold on Tua.
 
SoBeDad said:
Undrafted 2nd year CB Trill Williams is out for the year with a torn ACL. He had a good camp and was in line for CB #4. With Brandon Jones on the PUP after an "achilles cleanup" a veteran CB will likely be brought in. ST ace Keion Crossen played well at CB, so maybe we'll be ok. Can't rely on Noah. The 2020 draft should be enough reason to get rid of Grier, unless Miami unexpectedly makes the playoffs in a very tough AFC.

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Sad. He was making plays.
Have heard they’re looking at CBs…
 
BobbyLayne said:
McBigballs was gonna take him out

See how the KR pulls up short? He knew. 5'9' 170 pounds of hurt, you don't want any of that.

Is The Shark Pool dying? This thread should have ten posts a day. Miami is going places.
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I can't speak for the fan base but I got phone texts from fellow Phins fans saying how embarrassed they were that the Brady and Payton stories were actually true. I understand the local fan base sold out the Hard Rock for the season BUT...that's not unexpected when this place has been starving for a decent NFL Offense to root for...we haven't had a Top 10 Offense in over 25 years, that's astonishing to me. And there is a wait list I heard for 2023, that could change of course but much of this lined up as soon as Tyreek Hill was announced, Miami sold out of their season tickets almost immediately.

Difficult to project when we haven't seen Tua and Tyreek and Waddle and the rest of the band on the field at the same time yet.

The Miami WR stable is going to be deep. Tyreek-Waddle-Wilson-Ezukanma-Lynn Bowden(coming into his own), seems like all of them are capable of making plays except Cedric Wilson who seems to be running a lot of the shorter routes.

Miami's RBs are going to be deep as well. OL-Eichenberg is starting at LG and Austin Jackson at RT for the moment, that seems to be looking better. Dieter still looks lost to me at Center and I heard Connor Williams was going to start there but so far we haven't seen that. Both WIlliams and Armstead the starting Left Tackle brought over from New Orleans were both absent in Game 1 of the Preseason, seems reasonable.

Worried more about Miami stopping the run vs the pass with our starting secondary watching the Bucs form the sidelines Sat night.
Good to see you Bobby,
Cheers!
 
Ministry of Pain said:
BobbyLayne said:
McBigballs was gonna take him out

See how the KR pulls up short? He knew. 5'9' 170 pounds of hurt, you don't want any of that.

Is The Shark Pool dying? This thread should have ten posts a day. Miami is going places.
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I can't speak for the fan base but I got phone texts from fellow Phins fans saying how embarrassed they were that the Brady and Payton stories were actually true. I understand the local fan base sold out the Hard Rock for the season BUT...that's not unexpected when this place has been starving for a decent NFL Offense to root for...we haven't had a Top 10 Offense in over 25 years, that's astonishing to me. And there is a wait list I heard for 2023, that could change of course but much of this lined up as soon as Tyreek Hill was announced, Miami sold out of their season tickets almost immediately.

Difficult to project when we haven't seen Tua and Tyreek and Waddle and the rest of the band on the field at the same time yet.

The Miami WR stable is going to be deep. Tyreek-Waddle-Wilson-Ezukanma-Lynn Bowden(coming into his own), seems like all of them are capable of making plays except Cedric Wilson who seems to be running a lot of the shorter routes.

Miami's RBs are going to be deep as well. OL-Eichenberg is starting at LG and Austin Jackson at RT for the moment, that seems to be looking better. Dieter still looks lost to me at Center and I heard Connor Williams was going to start there but so far we haven't seen that. Both WIlliams and Armstead the starting Left Tackle brought over from New Orleans were both absent in Game 1 of the Preseason, seems reasonable.

Worried more about Miami stopping the run vs the pass with our starting secondary watching the Bucs form the sidelines Sat night.
Good to see you Bobby,
Cheers!
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You have a **** owner, losing draft picks sucks. But just in general, I think their rebuild was solidly executed. They shed a bunch of big contracts a few years back, took the Dead Cap hit, accumulated draft picks through trades and compensatory picks (lost FAs), and reset.

Grier is a punching bag and his entire tenure is tied to Tua. That was his most significant pick and he had the opportunity to jettison but forged ahead. This is our guy, let's get him some talent to work with.

2016 - only one player left but Grier's first draft had lasting impact. Tunsil was solid for a few years and they got a nice bounty shipping him to Houston. Howard is one of the best ball hawks in the league and the MVP of the defense. Drake and Grant. Pretty good for a rookie GM.

His second draft class (2017) was putrid. But we like Charles Harris, he has turned his career around in Detroit.

2018 - love this class.

1-11: Minkah Fitzpatrick – S – Alabama (got decent value when they parted ways)
2-42: Mike Gesicki – TE – Penn State
3-73: Jerome Baker – LB – Ohio State
4-123: Durham Smythe – TE – Notre Dame
4-131: Kalen Ballage – RB – ASU
6-209: Cornell Armstrong – CB – Southern Miss
7-227: Quentin Poling – LB – Ohio
7-229: Jason Sanders – K – New Mexico

2019 - mixed bag. Landed Wilkins who has been great on the field, but suboptimal off it.

2020 - these guys are still developing but this was a pretty good class. The middle round picks and the LS make it a good class. Whether it's great or not is how good Tagovailoa ends up being.

1-5: Tua Tagovailoa – QB – Alabama
1-18: Austin Jackson – T – USC (trade from Pittsburgh)
1-30: Noah Igbinoghene – CB – Auburn
2-39: Robert Hunt – G – Louisiana
2-56: Raekwon Davis – DT – Alabama
3-70: Brandon Jones – S – Texas
4-111: Solomon Kindley – G – Georgia
5-154: Jason Strowbridge – DE – UNC
5-164: Curtis Weaver – DE – Boise State
6-185 : Blake Ferguson – LS – LSU
7-246: Malcolm Perry – RB – Navy

2021 - best production of any class. Not all the way through, but the top 3 picks are excellent.

1-6: Jaylen Waddle – WR – Alabama
1-18: Jaelan Phillips – EDGE – Miami
2-36: Jevon Holland – S – Oregon
2-42: Liam Eichenberg – OL – Notre Dame
3-81: Hunter Long – TE – Boston College
7-231: Larnel Coleman – T – UMASS
7-244: Gerrid Doaks – RB – Cincinnati

2022 - you got Tyreek Hill so no picks for you. Kidding, but then again not really. Tindall looks like a good depth piece, not sure any of the other three picks will work out.

Anyway, Grier is better than most people realize. IMO. Trust me, I know a bad GM when I see one.
 
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BobbyLayne said:
Ministry of Pain said:
BobbyLayne said:
McBigballs was gonna take him out

See how the KR pulls up short? He knew. 5'9' 170 pounds of hurt, you don't want any of that.

Is The Shark Pool dying? This thread should have ten posts a day. Miami is going places.
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I can't speak for the fan base but I got phone texts from fellow Phins fans saying how embarrassed they were that the Brady and Payton stories were actually true. I understand the local fan base sold out the Hard Rock for the season BUT...that's not unexpected when this place has been starving for a decent NFL Offense to root for...we haven't had a Top 10 Offense in over 25 years, that's astonishing to me. And there is a wait list I heard for 2023, that could change of course but much of this lined up as soon as Tyreek Hill was announced, Miami sold out of their season tickets almost immediately.

Difficult to project when we haven't seen Tua and Tyreek and Waddle and the rest of the band on the field at the same time yet.

The Miami WR stable is going to be deep. Tyreek-Waddle-Wilson-Ezukanma-Lynn Bowden(coming into his own), seems like all of them are capable of making plays except Cedric Wilson who seems to be running a lot of the shorter routes.

Miami's RBs are going to be deep as well. OL-Eichenberg is starting at LG and Austin Jackson at RT for the moment, that seems to be looking better. Dieter still looks lost to me at Center and I heard Connor Williams was going to start there but so far we haven't seen that. Both WIlliams and Armstead the starting Left Tackle brought over from New Orleans were both absent in Game 1 of the Preseason, seems reasonable.

Worried more about Miami stopping the run vs the pass with our starting secondary watching the Bucs form the sidelines Sat night.
Good to see you Bobby,
Cheers!
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You have a **** owner, losing draft picks sucks. But just in general, I think their rebuild was solidly executed. They shed a bunch of big contracts a few years back, took the Dead Cap hit, accumulated draft picks through trades and compensatory picks (lost FAs), and reset.

Grier is a punching bag and his entire tenure is tied to Tua. That was his most significant pick and he had the opportunity to jettison but forged ahead. This is our guy, let's get him some talent to work with.

2016 - only one player left but Grier's first draft had lasting impact. Tunsil was solid for a few years and they got a nice bounty shipping him to Houston. Howard is one of the best ball hawks in the league and the MVP of the defense. Drake and Grant. Pretty good for a rookie GM.

His second draft class (2017) was putrid. But we like Charles Harris, he has turned his career around in Detroit.

2018 - love this class.

1-11: Minkah Fitzpatrick – S – Alabama (got decent value when they parted ways)
2-42: Mike Gesicki – TE – Penn State
3-73: Jerome Baker – LB – Ohio State
4-123: Durham Smythe – TE – Notre Dame
4-131: Kalen Ballage – RB – ASU
6-209: Cornell Armstrong – CB – Southern Miss
7-227: Quentin Poling – LB – Ohio
7-229: Jason Sanders – K – New Mexico

2019 - mixed bag. Landed Wilkins who has been great on the field, but suboptimal off it.

2020 - these guys are still developing but this was a pretty good class. The middle round picks and the LS make it a good class. Whether it's great or not is how good Tagovailoa ens up being.

1-5: Tua Tagovailoa – QB – Alabama
1-18: Austin Jackson – T – USC (trade from Pittsburgh)
1-30: Noah Igbinoghene – CB – Auburn
2-39: Robert Hunt – G – Louisiana
2-56: Raekwon Davis – DT – Alabama
3-70: Brandon Jones – S – Texas
4-111: Solomon Kindley – G – Georgia
5-154: Jason Strowbridge – DE – UNC
5-164: Curtis Weaver – DE – Boise State
6-185 : Blake Ferguson – LS – LSU
7-246: Malcolm Perry – RB – Navy

2021 - best production of any class. Not all the way through, but the top 3 picks are excellent.

1-6: Jaylen Waddle – WR – Alabama
1-18: Jaelan Phillips – EDGE – Miami
2-36: Jevon Holland – S – Oregon
2-42: Liam Eichenberg – OL – Notre Dame
3-81: Hunter Long – TE – Boston College
7-231: Larnel Coleman – T – UMASS
7-244: Gerrid Doaks – RB – Cincinnati

2022 - you got Tyreek Hill so no picks for you. Kidding, but then again not really. Tindall looks like a good depth piece, not sure any of the other three picks will work out.

Anyway, Grier is better than most people realize. IMO. Trust me, I know a bad GM when I see one.
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Not going to disagree but Harris, Tua, Austin Jackson and Noah Igbo were all 1st Round picks, 3 of them from 2020. Now if Tua can be a starter, if Jackson can be a starting RT, if Noah can even unseat the Nickleback it would put Grier in an entirely different spotlight but it borders on a waste of resources and now some of what he had done in 2023 like load us with a couple 1st round picks are now in jeopardy.

TY for taking the time to break all this down, it put a smile on my face and it's nice to hear a neutral POV
 
With the penalty against the Fins announced when the boards were down, doubling back to discuss the tampering penalty. How does a team get penalized for tampering when they did not end up with either the player or the coach they were accused of coveting and conversing with? Sure, I get it, they weren't supposed to do what they did. But what advantage did they gain? They tried to game the system, but they didn't end up with either guy. To add more ??? to the mix, Miami could have signed Brady as a free agent when the Patriots let him walk for free agency (and obviously didn't).

If the tampering penalty was really the league addressing the Flores stuff, I guess that might make more sense. But the way the league took away the draft picks and their explanation seemed a little off to me.
 
BobbyLayne said:
Ministry of Pain said:
BobbyLayne said:
McBigballs was gonna take him out

See how the KR pulls up short? He knew. 5'9' 170 pounds of hurt, you don't want any of that.

Is The Shark Pool dying? This thread should have ten posts a day. Miami is going places.
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I can't speak for the fan base but I got phone texts from fellow Phins fans saying how embarrassed they were that the Brady and Payton stories were actually true. I understand the local fan base sold out the Hard Rock for the season BUT...that's not unexpected when this place has been starving for a decent NFL Offense to root for...we haven't had a Top 10 Offense in over 25 years, that's astonishing to me. And there is a wait list I heard for 2023, that could change of course but much of this lined up as soon as Tyreek Hill was announced, Miami sold out of their season tickets almost immediately.

Difficult to project when we haven't seen Tua and Tyreek and Waddle and the rest of the band on the field at the same time yet.

The Miami WR stable is going to be deep. Tyreek-Waddle-Wilson-Ezukanma-Lynn Bowden(coming into his own), seems like all of them are capable of making plays except Cedric Wilson who seems to be running a lot of the shorter routes.

Miami's RBs are going to be deep as well. OL-Eichenberg is starting at LG and Austin Jackson at RT for the moment, that seems to be looking better. Dieter still looks lost to me at Center and I heard Connor Williams was going to start there but so far we haven't seen that. Both WIlliams and Armstead the starting Left Tackle brought over from New Orleans were both absent in Game 1 of the Preseason, seems reasonable.

Worried more about Miami stopping the run vs the pass with our starting secondary watching the Bucs form the sidelines Sat night.
Good to see you Bobby,
Cheers!
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You have a **** owner, losing draft picks sucks. But just in general, I think their rebuild was solidly executed. They shed a bunch of big contracts a few years back, took the Dead Cap hit, accumulated draft picks through trades and compensatory picks (lost FAs), and reset.

Grier is a punching bag and his entire tenure is tied to Tua. That was his most significant pick and he had the opportunity to jettison but forged ahead. This is our guy, let's get him some talent to work with.

2016 - only one player left but Grier's first draft had lasting impact. Tunsil was solid for a few years and they got a nice bounty shipping him to Houston. Howard is one of the best ball hawks in the league and the MVP of the defense. Drake and Grant. Pretty good for a rookie GM.

His second draft class (2017) was putrid. But we like Charles Harris, he has turned his career around in Detroit.

2018 - love this class.

1-11: Minkah Fitzpatrick – S – Alabama (got decent value when they parted ways)
2-42: Mike Gesicki – TE – Penn State
3-73: Jerome Baker – LB – Ohio State
4-123: Durham Smythe – TE – Notre Dame
4-131: Kalen Ballage – RB – ASU
6-209: Cornell Armstrong – CB – Southern Miss
7-227: Quentin Poling – LB – Ohio
7-229: Jason Sanders – K – New Mexico

2019 - mixed bag. Landed Wilkins who has been great on the field, but suboptimal off it.

2020 - these guys are still developing but this was a pretty good class. The middle round picks and the LS make it a good class. Whether it's great or not is how good Tagovailoa ends up being.

1-5: Tua Tagovailoa – QB – Alabama
1-18: Austin Jackson – T – USC (trade from Pittsburgh)
1-30: Noah Igbinoghene – CB – Auburn
2-39: Robert Hunt – G – Louisiana
2-56: Raekwon Davis – DT – Alabama
3-70: Brandon Jones – S – Texas
4-111: Solomon Kindley – G – Georgia
5-154: Jason Strowbridge – DE – UNC
5-164: Curtis Weaver – DE – Boise State
6-185 : Blake Ferguson – LS – LSU
7-246: Malcolm Perry – RB – Navy

2021 - best production of any class. Not all the way through, but the top 3 picks are excellent.

1-6: Jaylen Waddle – WR – Alabama
1-18: Jaelan Phillips – EDGE – Miami
2-36: Jevon Holland – S – Oregon
2-42: Liam Eichenberg – OL – Notre Dame
3-81: Hunter Long – TE – Boston College
7-231: Larnel Coleman – T – UMASS
7-244: Gerrid Doaks – RB – Cincinnati

2022 - you got Tyreek Hill so no picks for you. Kidding, but then again not really. Tindall looks like a good depth piece, not sure any of the other three picks will work out.

Anyway, Grier is better than most people realize. IMO. Trust me, I know a bad GM when I see one.
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Maybe we're too hard on Grier because of the 2020 draft and selecting Tua over Herbert, and projects with the other 2 first round picks, who have underperformed (Jackson) and bombed (Noah). The verdict is still out on Tua and Jackson, and most pundits agreed with Tua over Herbert at the time. BTW, Rakweon Davis hasn't been good so far. But Zach Sieler claimed off waivers from the Ravens in Dec 2019 has been a stud.

Grier also spent a 2nd and a 5th on Josh Rosen. There were no other bidders at the time, and local pundits questioned spending a 2nd.

2021 was better but I'm still not sold on Phillips, he was bad against the run in college and 2021 in the NFL. But 4 starters and 2 potential all-pros isn't bad.

2022 looks good with Tyreek, a potential long-term cheap backup QB in the 7th, a contributing WR in the 4th (Ezukanma), and a 3rd round LB with speed who may be a starter in 2023 and a Josh Allen spy in 2022. Wes Welker was instrumental in the Ezukanma pick, and maybe McDaniel with the Skylar pick. Grier's been more successful on defense, perhaps the new coaches will and have helped evaluate players for offense.
 
Really really good McDaniel interview on the Le Batard show. I really hope he's successful because he's extremely likeable and fun AF to root for.
 
Ministry of Pain said:
Tua had 3 Interceptions yesterday or day prior at practice, nothing to see here of course.
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Tua is throwing the long ball a lot in practice with success. 40 and 50 air yards, not a bullet like Marino, Mahomes, or Herbert, but not a balloon either. I think they wanna stretch the field to open up the underneath routes and running game. Tua had 3 INTs yesterday when they were doing a lot of RZ work and hurry-up offense. Tua can't fit it into tight windows as easily as Marino could. Again, with a clean pocket he's been very good, and he's had a high completion rate on passes that travel more than 20 yards, which have been few and far between. His problem has been when the pocket breaks down. I'm cautiously optimistic with the OL and WR and coaching additions, but I think the best case is about QB 16.

From today's practice.
 
Anarchy99 said:
With the penalty against the Fins announced when the boards were down, doubling back to discuss the tampering penalty. How does a team get penalized for tampering when they did not end up with either the player or the coach they were accused of coveting and conversing with? Sure, I get it, they weren't supposed to do what they did. But what advantage did they gain? They tried to game the system, but they didn't end up with either guy. To add more ??? to the mix, Miami could have signed Brady as a free agent when the Patriots let him walk for free agency (and obviously didn't).

If the tampering penalty was really the league addressing the Flores stuff, I guess that might make more sense. But the way the league took away the draft picks and their explanation seemed a little off to me.
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Stephen Ross and his "owner in waiting" played it pretty dumb. That and the Flores thing is likely where the fine came from. Basically they may have lucked into a better coach and more of a leash for Tua with their bumbling. Most guys who made their fortune in real estate seem to think they are smarter than they are.
 
TripleThreat said:
Really really good McDaniel interview on the Le Batard show. I really hope he's successful because he's extremely likeable and fun AF to root for.
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I agree. Mike is the goods. I'm rooting for him and I think (personally) the dolphins may have backed into their best coaching hire since Jimmy J
 
If anyone was wondering, first year head coaches since 2008 have gone 464-590-1 (.440) in Year 1. That's about a 7.5-9.5 record. However, most new coaches generally don't inherit a team that had back-to-back seasons with winning records. In that time, it's happened several times where coaches were replaced in the off-season:

- Gary Kubiak replacing John Fox in DEN
- Vance Joseph replacing Kubiak in DEN
- Matt Patricia replacing Jim Caldwell in DET
- Caldwell replacing Tony Dungy in IND
- Mike Vrabel replacing Mike Mularkey in TEN

Those 5 guys went 46-34 (.575) in their first year as a HC. But it should be noted that two of those coaches inherited Peyton Manning and went 26-6 (.813). The other 3 guys went 20-28 (.417).
 
Erik Ezukanma. He's gonna be very good. Gets open, good hands, hard to bring down. That was a highlight reel 1-handed catch on the 34 yard catch that was underthrown. Sherfield has been good and so has Wilson, but Sherfield is on a 1 year contract. He'll make an impact in 2023. His skills reminds me of Davante Adams.

Skylar Thompson has been better than Bridgewater. Very good pocket presence, good arm, not a great athlete but within pocket mobility.
 
TripleThreat said:
Gesicki’s days are numbered … IMHO
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Did you get a look at Tua tonight?

I'm about ready to rip off the rose colored glasses for everyone quickly. He hung one up that should have been intercepted and his immaturity bleeds out on the sidelines, looks far from the leader of the offense. I don't care who Skylar was throwing against, he looks better across the board.

Ezukanma , Hill, Waddle, Wilson and all the other good looking WRs and toys they have walking around are not going to put up with a QB that cannot deliver them the football. Teddy Bridgewater sputtered a little at first but he started dropping them in to Ezukanma and then Thompson didn't need anyone to tell him who to throw the football towards when he was in charge of the Offense.

-Gesicki numbered days? He's not ideal for the SF Offense because he doesn't block well and it shows up when we try and run the football. Nobody is pushing him for touches and they are paying him Franchise Tag money...what are numbered days to you? 2023? I can see that but not right this second as the season is about to start. I haven't seen any other Tight Ends making big plays or pushing for his snaps where Mike is running routes.

Running game pretty non existent
 
SoBeDad said:
Erik Ezukanma. He's gonna be very good. Gets open, good hands, hard to bring down. That was a highlight reel 1-handed catch on the 34 yard catch that was underthrown. Sherfield has been good and so has Wilson, but Sherfield is on a 1 year contract. He'll make an impact in 2023. His skills reminds me of Davante Adams.

Skylar Thompson has been better than Bridgewater. Very good pocket presence, good arm, not a great athlete but within pocket mobility.
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Took 5 guys to stop him and they still couldn't get him on the ground. He looks like a pet project of Wes Welker who was hollering at him the entire time he was on the field. I believe he had about 7 catches, haven't seen the totals quite yet. Realize he will not see a lot of meaningful football when the season starts.
 
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