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2025 Philadelphia Eagles - West Coast offense, Run and Shoot offense, Narcoleptic offense, in that order. (33 Viewers)

Hurts throwing the ball 39 times is not a recipe for this team to win. Especially when you had a big lead. Run the damn ball.
I’ve said for awhile hurts needs to stay in the 25 attempts maybe 30 max range with a few designed carries. Run the ball the other times

Have you seen us try to run the ball? We get like 1 yard runs constantly. Thatz no bueno
 
AJ had 5 catches for 67 yds and a TD in the first qtr. He didn't get another pass until the 4th qtr.
Yep. The strategy is to hide the OC and have Vic and Company save you. Everything after that seemed like they were trying to milk the clock and when they did get a big gainer penalties kicked in.

On that note, I’m not a blame the refs type of fan but some calls are just shockingly poor all around the league. I feel like whenever I want to just watch any team play they show up with what feels like a series of bad calls.

The penaties killed every second half drive we had. Seemed like they had an agenda to tighten up the game in the second half. Im not a big ref blamer either but it was kinda ridiculous. Took away an int from us as well. Saw carter getting held a bunch of times. Never got one holding call.

Blaming refs is a loser mentality.
 
AJ had 5 catches for 67 yds and a TD in the first qtr. He didn't get another pass until the 4th qtr.
Yep. The strategy is to hide the OC and have Vic and Company save you. Everything after that seemed like they were trying to milk the clock and when they did get a big gainer penalties kicked in.

On that note, I’m not a blame the refs type of fan but some calls are just shockingly poor all around the league. I feel like whenever I want to just watch any team play they show up with what feels like a series of bad calls.
Refs overall have been abysmal for at least 10 years.

No consistency literally whatsoever
The shocking part is it’s not even close to NBA refs bad
 
AJ had 5 catches for 67 yds and a TD in the first qtr. He didn't get another pass until the 4th qtr.
Yep. The strategy is to hide the OC and have Vic and Company save you. Everything after that seemed like they were trying to milk the clock and when they did get a big gainer penalties kicked in.

On that note, I’m not a blame the refs type of fan but some calls are just shockingly poor all around the league. I feel like whenever I want to just watch any team play they show up with what feels like a series of bad calls.

The penaties killed every second half drive we had. Seemed like they had an agenda to tighten up the game in the second half. Im not a big ref blamer either but it was kinda ridiculous. Took away an int from us as well. Saw carter getting held a bunch of times. Never got one holding call.

Blaming refs is a loser mentality.

It is.
 
Hurts throwing the ball 39 times is not a recipe for this team to win. Especially when you had a big lead. Run the damn ball.
I’ve said for awhile hurts needs to stay in the 25 attempts maybe 30 max range with a few designed carries. Run the ball the other times

Have you seen us try to run the ball? We get like 1 yard runs constantly. Thatz no bueno

Bigsby looks fine behind the line. Try mixing in a two back rotation. Give Barkleyv15 carries and Bigsby 5-7.
 
AJ had 5 catches for 67 yds and a TD in the first qtr. He didn't get another pass until the 4th qtr.
Yep. The strategy is to hide the OC and have Vic and Company save you. Everything after that seemed like they were trying to milk the clock and when they did get a big gainer penalties kicked in.

On that note, I’m not a blame the refs type of fan but some calls are just shockingly poor all around the league. I feel like whenever I want to just watch any team play they show up with what feels like a series of bad calls.

The penaties killed every second half drive we had. Seemed like they had an agenda to tighten up the game in the second half. Im not a big ref blamer either but it was kinda ridiculous. Took away an int from us as well. Saw carter getting held a bunch of times. Never got one holding call.

Blaming refs is a loser mentality.
Good teams find a way to combat bad calls by officials
 
This was something brought up weeks ago but said again

A glaring issue with the Eagles offense is the operations.

Play gets to Hurts with 15 seconds on play clock, he goes to wristband and finishes reading with 10 seconds left.

Get up to the line, point out Mike, adjust protection, and snap it just before clocks hits 0, allowing the front 4 to get a tremendous jump almost every time while also causing lots of offensive penalties.

This was identified very early on in season and hasn’t gotten any better.

@EaglesXsandOs
 
The penaties killed every second half drive we had. Seemed like they had an agenda to tighten up the game in the second half. Im not a big ref blamer either but it was kinda ridiculous. Took away an int from us as well. Saw carter getting held a bunch of times. Never got one holding call
:lmao:
Trolling the team thread wow. Congrats on the Superbowl, I mean your teams Superbowl. But let’s be better than this if you come back.
 
The #Eagles offense -- since bye week

Offensive PPG -- 15.7 (25th in #NFL)
YPG -- 301.7 (24th)
YPC -- 3.5 (26th)
Red zone -- 57.1% (12th)
Third down conversion -- 37.2% (17th)
Third-and-short conversion (3-or-less yards) -- 37.5% (27th)
3-and-out rate -- 41.2% (26th)
 
While the offense deserves criticism, you guys seem to be letting the defense off the hook. They were not good yesterday and I think they are more to blame for the loss than the offense. This was not the same defense that played the Lions, not even close.
 
While the offense deserves criticism, you guys seem to be letting the defense off the hook. They were not good yesterday and I think they are more to blame for the loss than the offense. This was not the same defense that played the Lions, not even close.
They looked pretty good first half. Eventually your offense goes 3 and out enough, you get gassed. Its not like Dallas has a bad offense.
 
Madden Cover Curse is very real folks
Super bowl hangover is real. Saquon is a great player but doing every commercial, going to every party, taking the victory lap hard, listening to the team saying to step back in off-season prep has made him come in with no edge this year.

I don't know if he can find it now but he better. He's erasing all the good will from last year that people built up for him. It was thought he'd be a lock for HOF but now it's looking like 1 year wonder again. Maybe that wakes him up.
 
Madden Cover Curse is very real folks
Super bowl hangover is real. Saquon is a great player but doing every commercial, going to every party, taking the victory lap hard, listening to the team saying to step back in off-season prep has made him come in with no edge this year.

I don't know if he can find it now but he better. He's erasing all the good will from last year that people built up for him. It was thought he'd be a lock for HOF but now it's looking like 1 year wonder again. Maybe that wakes him up.
I think the reality is that the guy was approaching 500 touches last year. That is just an avalanche of hits/tackles on anyone's body. Combine that with the fact that our starting oline has played and finished exactly one game this year and the guys that ARE playing are playing poorly and you get what we've been seeing. Its a disaster.
 
Hurts throwing the ball 39 times is not a recipe for this team to win. Especially when you had a big lead. Run the damn ball.
I’ve said for awhile hurts needs to stay in the 25 attempts maybe 30 max range with a few designed carries. Run the ball the other times

Have you seen us try to run the ball? We get like 1 yard runs constantly. Thatz no bueno

They already ran it 3rd most in the entire league going into yesterday, yet they are now 21st in rushing yards, 22nd in rushing success rate, just had the worst rushing success rate in the entire Sirianni era yesterday, and among all qualified RBs Saquon has the highest percentage of runs where first contact by the D is at or behind the line of scrimmage.

Doing more of something you are very bad at, and already do more than almost every other team, isn't the solution.
 
Hurts throwing the ball 39 times is not a recipe for this team to win. Especially when you had a big lead. Run the damn ball.
I’ve said for awhile hurts needs to stay in the 25 attempts maybe 30 max range with a few designed carries. Run the ball the other times

Have you seen us try to run the ball? We get like 1 yard runs constantly. Thatz no bueno

They already ran it 3rd most in the entire league going into yesterday, yet they are now 21st in rushing yards, 22nd in rushing success rate, just had the worst rushing success rate in the entire Sirianni era yesterday, and among all qualified RBs Saquon has the highest percentage of runs where first contact by the D is at or behind the line of scrimmage.

Doing more of something you are very bad at, and already do more than almost every other team, isn't the solution.
Yep. Outside of the OC sucking, next on the list is the OL. A SB hangover combined with the injuries and it’s a strength turned weakness.
 
It's been so long since we didn't have a good to great offensive line that I think we're (fans, coaches, players) having a hard time coming to terms with that maybe being a reality. We are continuing to drop in the PFF Oline rankings, trending toward falling out of the Top 10. I think the Dickerson, Jurgens, and Lane health issues are going to be all year, nagging things, Mailata seems to just be having a down/regression year, and Steen is barely average.

The last time we didn't have a top 10 line Linsanity was running wild, 50 Shades of Grey was a best seller, and Gangnam Style was inescapable (2012, 19th.)
:taps the sign:

5 weeks later, Sirianni and Patullo have clearly not accepted this reality, evidenced by going up 21 and then thinking they could use the running game to run out the remining 30 minutes of game clock. Add in Saquon's regression and the loss of using Fred Johnson as the 6th OL, yet they still call plays like we have an elite Oline/running game.
 
Hurts throwing the ball 39 times is not a recipe for this team to win. Especially when you had a big lead. Run the damn ball.
I’ve said for awhile hurts needs to stay in the 25 attempts maybe 30 max range with a few designed carries. Run the ball the other times

Have you seen us try to run the ball? We get like 1 yard runs constantly. Thatz no bueno

They already ran it 3rd most in the entire league going into yesterday, yet they are now 21st in rushing yards, 22nd in rushing success rate, just had the worst rushing success rate in the entire Sirianni era yesterday, and among all qualified RBs Saquon has the highest percentage of runs where first contact by the D is at or behind the line of scrimmage.

Doing more of something you are very bad at, and already do more than almost every other team, isn't the solution.

Do it with the other back.

ETA: Tank Bigsby is averaging 9.1 yards per carry behind the exact same line Saquon runs behind. Here's a novel thought, give Bigsby a carry in the second half.
 
Hurts throwing the ball 39 times is not a recipe for this team to win. Especially when you had a big lead. Run the damn ball.
I’ve said for awhile hurts needs to stay in the 25 attempts maybe 30 max range with a few designed carries. Run the ball the other times

Have you seen us try to run the ball? We get like 1 yard runs constantly. Thatz no bueno

They already ran it 3rd most in the entire league going into yesterday, yet they are now 21st in rushing yards, 22nd in rushing success rate, just had the worst rushing success rate in the entire Sirianni era yesterday, and among all qualified RBs Saquon has the highest percentage of runs where first contact by the D is at or behind the line of scrimmage.

Doing more of something you are very bad at, and already do more than almost every other team, isn't the solution.

Do it with the other back.

ETA: Tank Bigsby is averaging 9.1 yards per carry behind the exact same line Saquon runs behind. Here's a novel thought, give Bigsby a carry in the second half.
meh, he's getting one or two carries a game when its 3rd and 23. No defense is giving a **** about him in those scenarios.

ETA: I went back and looked at the play by play over the last two games. His carries are as follows:

Detroit game:
1st and 20 - 5 yard run
2nd and 13 - 17 yard run
1st and 10 - 7 yard run
1st and 19 - 5 yard run

Last nights game:
2nd and 20 - 8 yard run

Thats five carries all but one of which are obviously not running downs and the defense would clearly be willing to allow a rushing gain to stop a chunk play through the air.
 
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Hurts throwing the ball 39 times is not a recipe for this team to win. Especially when you had a big lead. Run the damn ball.
I’ve said for awhile hurts needs to stay in the 25 attempts maybe 30 max range with a few designed carries. Run the ball the other times

Have you seen us try to run the ball? We get like 1 yard runs constantly. Thatz no bueno

They already ran it 3rd most in the entire league going into yesterday, yet they are now 21st in rushing yards, 22nd in rushing success rate, just had the worst rushing success rate in the entire Sirianni era yesterday, and among all qualified RBs Saquon has the highest percentage of runs where first contact by the D is at or behind the line of scrimmage.

Doing more of something you are very bad at, and already do more than almost every other team, isn't the solution.

Do it with the other back.

ETA: Tank Bigsby is averaging 9.1 yards per carry behind the exact same line Saquon runs behind. Here's a novel thought, give Bigsby a carry in the second half.

1. It can’t hurt
2. See your Adoree Jackson argument
 
Hurts throwing the ball 39 times is not a recipe for this team to win. Especially when you had a big lead. Run the damn ball.
I’ve said for awhile hurts needs to stay in the 25 attempts maybe 30 max range with a few designed carries. Run the ball the other times

Have you seen us try to run the ball? We get like 1 yard runs constantly. Thatz no bueno

They already ran it 3rd most in the entire league going into yesterday, yet they are now 21st in rushing yards, 22nd in rushing success rate, just had the worst rushing success rate in the entire Sirianni era yesterday, and among all qualified RBs Saquon has the highest percentage of runs where first contact by the D is at or behind the line of scrimmage.

Doing more of something you are very bad at, and already do more than almost every other team, isn't the solution.

Do it with the other back.

ETA: Tank Bigsby is averaging 9.1 yards per carry behind the exact same line Saquon runs behind. Here's a novel thought, give Bigsby a carry in the second half.
meh, he's getting one or two carries a game when its 3rd and 23. No defense is giving a **** about him in those scenarios.
Exactly. As long as the bigger issues remain this is just what our offense is 🤷‍♂️. There’s no “fix” coming.
 
Hurts throwing the ball 39 times is not a recipe for this team to win. Especially when you had a big lead. Run the damn ball.
I’ve said for awhile hurts needs to stay in the 25 attempts maybe 30 max range with a few designed carries. Run the ball the other times

Have you seen us try to run the ball? We get like 1 yard runs constantly. Thatz no bueno

They already ran it 3rd most in the entire league going into yesterday, yet they are now 21st in rushing yards, 22nd in rushing success rate, just had the worst rushing success rate in the entire Sirianni era yesterday, and among all qualified RBs Saquon has the highest percentage of runs where first contact by the D is at or behind the line of scrimmage.

Doing more of something you are very bad at, and already do more than almost every other team, isn't the solution.

Do it with the other back.

ETA: Tank Bigsby is averaging 9.1 yards per carry behind the exact same line Saquon runs behind. Here's a novel thought, give Bigsby a carry in the second half.
meh, he's getting one or two carries a game when its 3rd and 23. No defense is giving a **** about him in those scenarios.

So your solution is not to try? They did it all last year with Gainwell. He would get a series here and there. Give it a try. It can't make the offense look any worse.
 
Hurts throwing the ball 39 times is not a recipe for this team to win. Especially when you had a big lead. Run the damn ball.
I’ve said for awhile hurts needs to stay in the 25 attempts maybe 30 max range with a few designed carries. Run the ball the other times

Have you seen us try to run the ball? We get like 1 yard runs constantly. Thatz no bueno

They already ran it 3rd most in the entire league going into yesterday, yet they are now 21st in rushing yards, 22nd in rushing success rate, just had the worst rushing success rate in the entire Sirianni era yesterday, and among all qualified RBs Saquon has the highest percentage of runs where first contact by the D is at or behind the line of scrimmage.

Doing more of something you are very bad at, and already do more than almost every other team, isn't the solution.

Do it with the other back.

ETA: Tank Bigsby is averaging 9.1 yards per carry behind the exact same line Saquon runs behind. Here's a novel thought, give Bigsby a carry in the second half.

1. It can’t hurt
2. See your Adoree Jackson argument

What's my Adoree Jackson argument? Not following you, Jackson stinks. I was spot on with my analysis of the Michael Carter trade and bumping DeJean to the outside. It was a bad move. You're better off using Ringo on the outside than using Carter in the slot and DeJean on the outside. You cripple the slot, while only getting a slight bump on the outside.
 
Hurts throwing the ball 39 times is not a recipe for this team to win. Especially when you had a big lead. Run the damn ball.
I’ve said for awhile hurts needs to stay in the 25 attempts maybe 30 max range with a few designed carries. Run the ball the other times

Have you seen us try to run the ball? We get like 1 yard runs constantly. Thatz no bueno

They already ran it 3rd most in the entire league going into yesterday, yet they are now 21st in rushing yards, 22nd in rushing success rate, just had the worst rushing success rate in the entire Sirianni era yesterday, and among all qualified RBs Saquon has the highest percentage of runs where first contact by the D is at or behind the line of scrimmage.

Doing more of something you are very bad at, and already do more than almost every other team, isn't the solution.

Do it with the other back.

ETA: Tank Bigsby is averaging 9.1 yards per carry behind the exact same line Saquon runs behind. Here's a novel thought, give Bigsby a carry in the second half.
meh, he's getting one or two carries a game when its 3rd and 23. No defense is giving a **** about him in those scenarios.

So your solution is not to try? They did it all last year with Gainwell. He would get a series here and there. Give it a try. It can't make the offense look any worse.
no, my point is that saying he is running behind the same line as Saquon and using his 9.1 ypc as some kind of indicator that he might fare better than Barkley is kind of missing all the context. I feel confident that if they gave Saquon one of those carries on 3rd and 20, he'd probably break off a 9 to 11 yarder also.
 
Hurts throwing the ball 39 times is not a recipe for this team to win. Especially when you had a big lead. Run the damn ball.
I’ve said for awhile hurts needs to stay in the 25 attempts maybe 30 max range with a few designed carries. Run the ball the other times

Have you seen us try to run the ball? We get like 1 yard runs constantly. Thatz no bueno

They already ran it 3rd most in the entire league going into yesterday, yet they are now 21st in rushing yards, 22nd in rushing success rate, just had the worst rushing success rate in the entire Sirianni era yesterday, and among all qualified RBs Saquon has the highest percentage of runs where first contact by the D is at or behind the line of scrimmage.

Doing more of something you are very bad at, and already do more than almost every other team, isn't the solution.

Do it with the other back.

ETA: Tank Bigsby is averaging 9.1 yards per carry behind the exact same line Saquon runs behind. Here's a novel thought, give Bigsby a carry in the second half.

1. It can’t hurt
2. See your Adoree Jackson argument

What's my Adoree Jackson argument? Not following you, Jackson stinks. I was spot on with my analysis of the Michael Carter trade and bumping DeJean to the outside. It was a bad move. You're better off using Ringo on the outside than using Carter in the slot and DeJean on the outside. You cripple the slot, while only getting a slight bump on the outside.
Yep I agree 100% with this. No more Cooper outside.
 
Going through the play by play, no wonder their offense stalled. They threw on nearly every first down. Were behind the chains all second half.
Maybe you checked the wrong game?

After they went up 21-0

-First snap of the next drive is a Barkley 2 yard run

-After half it’s an 8 yard pass. Next play goes for 20 but illegal formation

-Next drive opens with a Barkley 1 yard run

-Next drive opens with another Barkley 1 yard run

-Next drive after Dallas scores to make it 21-14 is a 10 yard pass by Hurts for a first down. Next play is a Barkley 1 yard run.

-After Dallas ties it we get a 7 yard Hurts run, 19 yard Hurts pass. Drive ends with a Barkley fumble

-Next and last drive is an 11 yard pass and a 16 yard pass.
 
I also know I’ve said this a bunch over the years but Hurts is not really the drop back and carve you up guy. He has the ability in short spurts but he can’t be asked to pass 35+ times. He has to have more balance.

The sad part, is that with the OC and OL play this is almost what he HAS to do in order for us to score 21+.

The 3rd and 2 call is a good example. The running game is so bad that they almost HAD to pass there. It’s a lot to ask for them to pick up over 2 yards. If you go look at that play the entire place knew the ball would be forced to AJ and Dallas played it perfectly.
 
Hurts throwing the ball 39 times is not a recipe for this team to win. Especially when you had a big lead. Run the damn ball.
I’ve said for awhile hurts needs to stay in the 25 attempts maybe 30 max range with a few designed carries. Run the ball the other times

Have you seen us try to run the ball? We get like 1 yard runs constantly. Thatz no bueno

They already ran it 3rd most in the entire league going into yesterday, yet they are now 21st in rushing yards, 22nd in rushing success rate, just had the worst rushing success rate in the entire Sirianni era yesterday, and among all qualified RBs Saquon has the highest percentage of runs where first contact by the D is at or behind the line of scrimmage.

Doing more of something you are very bad at, and already do more than almost every other team, isn't the solution.
They have to be tipping the plays, either formation or something. And getting to LOS with 10secs left isn’t ideal either
 
They have to be tipping the plays, either formation or something. And getting to LOS with 10secs left isn’t ideal either
They’re not tipping plays per se. Teams have tendencies and with each passing week they’re more and more telling. Good/great coaches are also good/great at scouting themselves and beating their own tendencies. Example being they’ll show you a look they know you’ve seen 20-30x and instead of pulling for a run they’ll pass etc. The OC is taking so long to get plays in because he has no idea what to even call most times.
 
Do you want a great example of how bad the OC is? Listen to Dickerson’s comments post game about Dallas using 5 man fronts.

Dallas just used these same fronts against the Raiders.
You can tell Landon is trying to be diplomatic and not call out how inept, ineffective and predictable the Offense has been.

Nick/Patullo clearly have it in their heads that playing conservative is their analytical “cheat code” for winning. Bull-headed commitment to the run game, even when it hasn’t been effective all year AND they don’t have the personnel to run their Jumbo package. Just a ridiculous Jr. High JV Offense.

If they don’t learn from this embarassing loss, they’ll be 1-and-done in the playoffs. They can’t hang with the likes of LAR/SEA/SF. They need to luck out vs injury-decimated teams like TBB, GBP, DET, and probably even CHI.
 
Going through the play by play, no wonder their offense stalled. They threw on nearly every first down. Were behind the chains all second half.
This has been the way, or at least feels like it, for the whole season. Its one of the reasons they aren't running well and its definitely why they are the worst third down conversion team in the league (bth in conversion rate and distance faced on third down). They aren't establishing a run and getting in a bunch of 2nd and 10's, 3rd and 10's instead of 3rd and 4 where you can pound Saquon and go tush push if he doesn't get it. That was such a huge aspect to their play calling last year - looking at 1st and 10 like its 1st and 9 every time and calling the plays from that viewpoint. Its not that way at all this year.
 
What's my Adoree Jackson argument?
That he was only successful because he played a limited amount of snaps which was like 66% over 6 games. Now you’re beating the drum for Tank who’s played significantly less snaps.

For the record, I’d like to see Bigsby be more involved as well.

Jackson had an opportunity to play a significant amount of snaps and stunk. Tank hasn't gotten that opportunity. My argument re: Jackson with limited snaps was in response to your post saying how few yards he gave up since week 1.
 
What's my Adoree Jackson argument?
That he was only successful because he played a limited amount of snaps which was like 66% over 6 games. Now you’re beating the drum for Tank who’s played significantly less snaps.

For the record, I’d like to see Bigsby be more involved as well.

Jackson had an opportunity to play a significant amount of snaps and stunk. Tank hasn't gotten that opportunity. My argument re: Jackson with limited snaps was in response to your post saying how few yards he gave up since week 1.
If you can’t see you’re on both sides of the fence here we should move on. Doubling down is silly when you’re clamoring for someone with far less opportunity and posting their success.
 

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