Godsbrother
Footballguy
Now that the Cardinals have made it to the Super Bowl there are five teams remaining that have not. Which of these teams is most likely to make it next?
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5 teams that have never played in the Super Bowl (1 Viewer)
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Parrothead
Footballguy
J-Ville
Native
Footballguy
FWIW, the Lions and Browns played in many NFL Championship games in their histories - just none in the Super Bowl era. Its funny - its as if the coining of the term "Super Bowl" wiped out fifty years of NFL history. We still remember and recognize the dominant players - Jim Brown, Gale Sayers, etc - but not the dominant teams they played for, like the great Browns and Lions teams of the 50's.
Anyway, I voted Saints for the question above.
Anyway, I voted Saints for the question above.
Saints
cheeseypoof
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I picked saints
Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
Saints
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
These Browns never played in any of them. It's funny - as if the NFL saying that the team records etc being left behind makes it so and wipes out the continuity of an organization that won a Super Bowl with a number of the same players that came with them from Cleveland.Anyhow, up until probably last year, I would've said J-ville. While the Cardinals have proven anything's possible, I still think the Lions have too much bad karma going right now. The Saints aren't a bad choice and I'm not surprised they are leading the pole, but I went with the Texans since that seems to have the right combo of improbability yet competence.-QG
SuperJohn96
RPS World Champion
4th in NFC South 2002-2008CAR:2002: 7-9; 4th in NFC South2003: 11-5; 1st in NFC South; lost Super Bowl 32-29 to NEPATL:2003: 5-11; 4th in NFC South2004: 11-5; 1st in NFC South; lost NFC Championship 27-10 to PHICAR:2004: 5-11; 4th in NFC South2005: 11-5; 1st in NFC South; lost Wild Card game 17-10 to WASNOS:2005: 3-10; 4th in NFC South2006: 10-6; 1st in NFC South; lost NFC Championship 39-14 to CHITBB:2006: 4-12; 4th in NFC South2007: 9-7; 1st in NFC South; lost Wild Card game 24-14 to NYGATL:2007: 4-12; 4th in NFC South2008: 11-5; 2nd in NFC South; lost Wild Card game 30-24 to ARINOS:2008: 8-8; 4th in NFC South2009: TBDNot an easy schedule, as the division is tough, the NFC East is tough, and the AFC East is tough.Only two easy games are Lions/Rams.
Still, if they can draft D-heavy, and with the addition of Gregg Williams as the DC, I look for the Saints to continue the SIX year trend of the 4th place NFC South team making the playoffs the following year. And of all those teams that rebounded, there was only one (CAR @ 7-9) with more than 5 wins, and the Saints had eight in 2008.
2009 Home Opponents
Atlanta Falcons
Carolina Panthers
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Dallas Cowboys
New York Giants
New England Patriots
New York Jets
Detroit Lions
2009 Away Opponents
Atlanta Falcons
Carolina Panthers
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Philadelphia Eagles
Washington Redskins
Buffalo Bills
Miami Dolphins
St. Louis Rams
Still, if they can draft D-heavy, and with the addition of Gregg Williams as the DC, I look for the Saints to continue the SIX year trend of the 4th place NFC South team making the playoffs the following year. And of all those teams that rebounded, there was only one (CAR @ 7-9) with more than 5 wins, and the Saints had eight in 2008.
2009 Home Opponents
Atlanta Falcons
Carolina Panthers
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Dallas Cowboys
New York Giants
New England Patriots
New York Jets
Detroit Lions
2009 Away Opponents
Atlanta Falcons
Carolina Panthers
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Philadelphia Eagles
Washington Redskins
Buffalo Bills
Miami Dolphins
St. Louis Rams
SuperJohn96
RPS World Champion
Oh, and I guess the point is I think the Saints are the NFC Super Bowl team next year.
Nugget
Footballguy
In order I'd guess:
Saints
Lions
Jaguars
Texans
Browns
Jags and Texans get penalized for tough divisions. An team can get hot for 2-3 games, but making the playoffs with Indy and Tenn is difficult. Same with the Browns playing with Pitt and Bal. I don't see the same level of competition in the NFC South or NFC North.
Saints
Lions
Jaguars
Texans
Browns
Jags and Texans get penalized for tough divisions. An team can get hot for 2-3 games, but making the playoffs with Indy and Tenn is difficult. Same with the Browns playing with Pitt and Bal. I don't see the same level of competition in the NFC South or NFC North.
two_dollars
Footballguy
Call me crazy, I voted for the Texans. Maybe because of my man-crush on Andre Johnson, but I think they played hard nosed games vs tough teams LAST year.. and are only getting better. I don't think the Saints will get there until they can stop a team from putting up 40 a week.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
the cardinals made it this year. Anything is possible. anythingAlright, who are the 2 jokers who voted for Detroit?
MAC_32
Footballguy
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
Very possible this will have nothing to do with the current composition of these teams' rosters.
That said, I voted for the one team on the list with an elite QB. The Saints still have a decent window to try to get something done with Brees at the helm.
That said, I voted for the one team on the list with an elite QB. The Saints still have a decent window to try to get something done with Brees at the helm.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Everyone is answering as if it HAS to happen within the next year or two. While it may, it may not happen until 10 years down the road - meaning there's no wrong answer.
If we wer to say which team will most likely appear in the next year or two, I'd go with New Orleans. They have the offense in place and some pieces on defense. If Williams turns the unit around they could make a run.
If we wer to say which team will most likely appear in the next year or two, I'd go with New Orleans. They have the offense in place and some pieces on defense. If Williams turns the unit around they could make a run.
Jerry Lawler
Footballguy
1. New Orleans - If Williams can make the defense respectable, Brees stays healthy, and Sean Payton can save his job, this team could be scary over the next few years. Homefield advantage will be important in their playoff run.
2. Houston - They've got a good passing game, the Alex Gibbs running game, and an elite pass rusher. They're not far away from building a contender.
3. Detroit - Even though it hasn't worked so far, I like their strategy of keeping continuity at the GM position. If they can get the GM to embrace the continuity philosophy in terms of the franchise's overall strategy (coaches, schemes, types of players), they could be dangerous a couple of years from now. Also, Calvin Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald will continue to make a case in the next few years for prioritizing WR in franchise building.
4. Cleveland - They look to be in trouble, but at least their DC has the last name "Ryan". That's always good for a couple of wins.
5. Jacksonville - Turned into a trainwreck overnight. I never saw it coming. It's definitely a bad sign when the coach announces publicly that the team has terrible chemistry.
2. Houston - They've got a good passing game, the Alex Gibbs running game, and an elite pass rusher. They're not far away from building a contender.
3. Detroit - Even though it hasn't worked so far, I like their strategy of keeping continuity at the GM position. If they can get the GM to embrace the continuity philosophy in terms of the franchise's overall strategy (coaches, schemes, types of players), they could be dangerous a couple of years from now. Also, Calvin Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald will continue to make a case in the next few years for prioritizing WR in franchise building.
4. Cleveland - They look to be in trouble, but at least their DC has the last name "Ryan". That's always good for a couple of wins.
5. Jacksonville - Turned into a trainwreck overnight. I never saw it coming. It's definitely a bad sign when the coach announces publicly that the team has terrible chemistry.
WampusCat43
Footballguy
All five are a lot more likely than the post-Paul Brown Bengals.
pats3in4
Footballguy
Yup. This is why I picked Detroit. The bottom line is that all of these teams have significant hurdles to overcome to make the title game, so it's genuinely a crapshoot. After the Saints made it to the NFCCG in '06, they would have run away in a poll between them and Arizona as who makes the SB first. Oops.the cardinals made it this year. Anything is possible. anythingAlright, who are the 2 jokers who voted for Detroit?
Barry Jive and The Uptown Five
Footballguy
Given the overall dominance at the top of the AFC, it stands to reason it will be harder for the AFC teams on this list to get past the Colts, Patriots, Steelers, Titans, Chargers, Ravens for the foreseeable future.
I think the contender needs to come from the NFC...
I'll take the Saints.
I think the contender needs to come from the NFC...
I'll take the Saints.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Detroit Lions
Yes, that is a heart over head pick.
But if the Cards can do it, so can we.
If Arizona can overcome Bill Bidwell, why can't we get to the big game with the Ford family??
Tomorrow is going to be something I never thought I would see; 20-25 years ago (or 2 years ago), I figured a woman would become President before a black man.
Anything is possible.
In theory...
Yes, that is a heart over head pick.
But if the Cards can do it, so can we.
If Arizona can overcome Bill Bidwell, why can't we get to the big game with the Ford family??
Tomorrow is going to be something I never thought I would see; 20-25 years ago (or 2 years ago), I figured a woman would become President before a black man.
Anything is possible.
In theory...
SoCalBroncoFan
Footballguy
Detroit Lions positives:
Finally hired defensive minded head coach
Calvin Johnson
2 first round picks
Negatives:
Forget it. The Lions are a LONG way from the Super Bowl. I cant even justify voting for them.
Finally hired defensive minded head coach
Calvin Johnson
2 first round picks
Negatives:
Forget it. The Lions are a LONG way from the Super Bowl. I cant even justify voting for them.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Brees will get there eventually.
and Baltimore for Indy's?
and the correct answer here is Jacksonvilleyou don't lose the 3 starting C/OG's in August and recoup from that very easily...there defense can begood enough while the offense gets untracked again (which it will)New Orleans just can't stop anyone...Az HC Wiz came from Pitts, where defense has historically been the best in the league, so I'm not suprised to see the Cards advance
BassNBrew
Footballguy
ManningBradyRiversCutlerBig BenAdd in the fact that Balt and Tenn are ususally competitive and the AFC is a tough route to the Bowl
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Hard to imagine the Lions (or Raiders, or Bengals) doing it under current leadership.
But you'd have said the same thing a year ago about the Cards, so who knows...
But you'd have said the same thing a year ago about the Cards, so who knows...
Haberdasher
Footballguy
I love me some Saints. They had 17 players (I think) on IR this past season, including just about the entire secondary. I really think they are a little better than what we saw, and Gregg Williams might light a fire under that defense. Combine that with a likely top 5 offense and I like their chances.
My second choice would be the Texans. I really like what's happening over there.
My second choice would be the Texans. I really like what's happening over there.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Meh. The old Browns were playing terrible when they were moved to Baltimore. No credit for Cleveland!!!
Tell me, how many teams were in the NFL back then?
The Jerk
Footballguy
But historically, the pendulum swings from conference to conference every 15 years or so. If that holds, we are in the final years of the AFC-dominant phase, and I think that was partially borne out by a significant narrowing of the interconference record this year compared to the past several seasons.Barry Jive and The Uptown Five said:
The Jerk
Footballguy
The answer to your question is 12 as of 1957, which was the fourth year out of six that featured matchups between the Lions and Browns in the NFL championship game. The more important number is six, as that was the number of teams in each division. To play in the NFL championship in the 1950s, you just needed to win your division. Granted, six teams is more than today's four, but beating five other teams is certainly not as difficult as beating out 15 others to reach the Super Bowl as it is today.Winning the NFL championship -- not playing in it -- would be the comparison, and even that usually involved only one playoff victory, unlike today. Two of the three Browns NFL championships each involved winning a single playoff game. In fact, the Browns have not won multiple playoff games in the same season since 1950. Of course, that's a better showing than the Lions, who have won only one playoff game since 1957.
Die
Footballguy
I couldn't agree more about the Browns. Yes, the city kept the team name and colors, but they were still an expansion team in 1999. They started over.
Die
Footballguy
The "city" of Baltimore has been there 3 times, winning twice. Lost to the Jets in 3, beat Dallas in 5, beat the Giants in 35.
1957
Eastern Conference
Team W L T PCT PF PA
Cleveland Browns 9 2 1 .818 269 172
New York Giants 7 5 0 .583 254 211
Pittsburgh Steelers 6 6 0 .500 161 178
Washington Redskins 5 6 1 .455 251 230
Philadelphia Eagles 4 8 0 .333 173 230
Chicago Cardinals 3 9 0 .250 200 299
Western Conference
Team W L T PCT PF PA
Detroit Lions 8 4 0 .667 251 231
San Francisco 49ers 8 4 0 .667 260 264
Baltimore Colts 7 5 0 .583 303 235
Los Angeles Rams 6 6 0 .500 307 278
Chicago Bears 5 7 0 .417 203 211
Green Bay Packers 3 9 0 .250 218 311
Playoffs
Home team in capitals
Western Conference Playoff Game
Detroit 31, SAN FRANCISCO 27
NFL Championship Game
DETROIT 59, Cleveland 14
Eastern Conference
Team W L T PCT PF PA
Cleveland Browns 9 2 1 .818 269 172
New York Giants 7 5 0 .583 254 211
Pittsburgh Steelers 6 6 0 .500 161 178
Washington Redskins 5 6 1 .455 251 230
Philadelphia Eagles 4 8 0 .333 173 230
Chicago Cardinals 3 9 0 .250 200 299
Western Conference
Team W L T PCT PF PA
Detroit Lions 8 4 0 .667 251 231
San Francisco 49ers 8 4 0 .667 260 264
Baltimore Colts 7 5 0 .583 303 235
Los Angeles Rams 6 6 0 .500 307 278
Chicago Bears 5 7 0 .417 203 211
Green Bay Packers 3 9 0 .250 218 311
Playoffs
Home team in capitals
Western Conference Playoff Game
Detroit 31, SAN FRANCISCO 27
NFL Championship Game
DETROIT 59, Cleveland 14
I'm somewhat biased but I voted Houston. The new regime has committed to internal, organic growth thru the draft and has showed a very good knack for finding quality players and contributors in all rounds. I believe long term success is built more in the draft than in adding thru FA or trades.
They are young across the board on offense at most skill positions (ages are for next season): Schaub (28), AJ (28), Walter (28), Daniels (27), Slaton (23), RT Winston (26), new LT Brown (24). The defense is the lacking unit but has young studs with likely long career's at DE Mario (24), MLB Ryans (25), DT Okoye (22). If they resign Dunta Robinson (27) that will be solid at one corner position for a number of years.
The main challenges for Houston are keeping Schaub healthy, not turning the ball over, and adding some more defensive playmakers (they really need another pass rusher and a safety.)
They are young across the board on offense at most skill positions (ages are for next season): Schaub (28), AJ (28), Walter (28), Daniels (27), Slaton (23), RT Winston (26), new LT Brown (24). The defense is the lacking unit but has young studs with likely long career's at DE Mario (24), MLB Ryans (25), DT Okoye (22). If they resign Dunta Robinson (27) that will be solid at one corner position for a number of years.
The main challenges for Houston are keeping Schaub healthy, not turning the ball over, and adding some more defensive playmakers (they really need another pass rusher and a safety.)
The Jerk
Footballguy
The amusing part of this post is that it's unclear if this is meant as praise or ridicule for Detroit. Or it could be neither, just information.
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