550 Comments Regarding Value Plays (1 Viewer)

[Maurile Tremblay]

Basing Foster's talent on his 174 YD performance against the AWESOME Kansas City Defense is crazy.

Forget the KC game. Are you suggesting that Foster's talent is in dispute?

Yes, I am. Career 4.0 YPC, which is good, but not great. One game ever over 85 yards, and that was the huge KC game. Why should I think this guy is so great?

You're not obligated to think he's great, but if you've seen him play much it's hard to deny his physical talent. He has quickness, power, strength, moves, vision . . . the only thing he doesn't have is durability. If you read all the negative comments in the "value plays" article, they all focus on his inability to stay healthy. None of them say he's too slow or that he lacks balance or whatever.I understand all the concerns about his injury history. But I think the evidence that past injuries portend future injuries is generally weak, so I don't discount him as much on those concerns as other people do.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Just to be clear, I don't necessarily disagree with those that think he's overvalued at QB4 (i've got him at QB6 myself), I disagree more with the reasons why.Very susceptible to injuries - I buyStill learning the WC system - I buyInconsistent from game to game - I buyI understand the concern about last year's performance, I think I factor in the potential I saw in 2002 more. But when someone is telling me he can't finish as high as QB3 because he doesn't have the weapons, or isn't a good enough passer, or has only done it once in a "career" that includes three seasons (not counting rookie year), I don't buy it.

Good post.

 

[diesel7982]

Basing Foster's talent on his 174 YD performance against the AWESOME Kansas City Defense is crazy.

Forget the KC game. Are you suggesting that Foster's talent is in dispute?

Yes, I am. Career 4.0 YPC, which is good, but not great. One game ever over 85 yards, and that was the huge KC game. Why should I think this guy is so great?

You're not obligated to think he's great, but if you've seen him play much it's hard to deny his physical talent. He has quickness, power, strength, moves, vision . . . the only thing he doesn't have is durability. If you read all the negative comments in the "value plays" article, they all focus on his inability to stay healthy. None of them say he's too slow or that he lacks balance or whatever.I understand all the concerns about his injury history. But I think the evidence that past injuries portend future injuries is generally weak, so I don't discount him as much on those concerns as other people do.

Foster reminds me of LeShon Johnson. Building his marginal, injury-filled career around 1 or 2 big runs and a bunch of otherwise mediocre games.

 

[David Yudkin]

Basing Foster's talent on his 174 YD performance against the AWESOME Kansas City Defense is crazy.

Forget the KC game. Are you suggesting that Foster's talent is in dispute?

Yes, I am. Career 4.0 YPC, which is good, but not great. One game ever over 85 yards, and that was the huge KC game. Why should I think this guy is so great?

You're not obligated to think he's great, but if you've seen him play much it's hard to deny his physical talent. He has quickness, power, strength, moves, vision . . . the only thing he doesn't have is durability. If you read all the negative comments in the "value plays" article, they all focus on his inability to stay healthy. None of them say he's too slow or that he lacks balance or whatever.I understand all the concerns about his injury history. But I think the evidence that past injuries portend future injuries is generally weak, so I don't discount him as much on those concerns as other people do.

OK, I'll go with this. I used injury history as the main focus in my overvalued writeup, but I posted many other times that Foster--supposedly younger, faster, and more elusive--did not perform Davis in the time the two have played in Carolina. Davis has had a higher YPC, scored more frequently, and still did better than Foster did when the "fresh legs" were inserted to give Davis a blow.I also concur that lighting up Kansas City is not necessarily a rare occurance, as MANY RB have had huge games against the Chiefs. Including the post season but excluding the Chiefs game, his YPC is just 3.8.

I'm not convinced his performance level on the field has been all that great, so IMO Foster is an average RB numbers wise (talent wise he might be better, but he hasn't shown it in his stat lines). Add in the injury bug issues, and I'm not high on his prospects.

 

[Bri]

One thing that has to be added to the Foster debate, IMO. I don't believe, since the Panthers began as an NFL franchise, they have ever had a back start every game for a full year. I don't think the Browns have had a 1000 yard back since they re-enterred the NFL. Errict Rhett was good with TB, he'll do it. William Green will do it. Suggs will do it. After a while, these odd trends seem extremely predictable.

 

[David Yudkin]

One thing that has to be added to the Foster debate, IMO. I don't believe, since the Panthers began as an NFL franchise, they have ever had a back start every game for a full year.

I don't think the Browns have had a 1000 yard back since they re-enterred the NFL. Errict Rhett was good with TB, he'll do it. William Green will do it. Suggs will do it.

After a while, these odd trends seem extremely predictable.

Anthony Johnson played all 16 games in 1996, but he's been the only one.

 

[Rovers]

Foster has only played in 18 out of 48 games as a pro. Of the 18 games he did play, he only started in five of them. He missed all of 2002, 2 games in 2003 and 12 games last year. This guy is as brittle as stale bread. I just don't see him as durable enough to get through half a season as a feature back.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Whenever we consider whether a player seems durable or brittle, it is worth revisiting this article: Everybody is an Injury Risk, by Doug Drinen.

 

[Rovers]

Whenever we consider whether a player seems durable or brittle, it is worth revisiting this article: Everybody is an Injury Risk, by Doug Drinen.

I generally don't try to predict injury risk, but Foster is a special case. The guy gets hurt OFTEN, and isn't even a starting RB! He has only 5 starts under his belt, with two major injuries. This guy gets hurt stting on the bench. In three years, he has only 175 carries, with two major and one minor (2 games) injuries. RED flag! Let me see him make only 12 starts this year as the primary ball carrier. I just don't think he can do it. He has to prove me wrong before I'd ever draft him.

 

[Bri]

One thing that has to be added to the Foster debate, IMO. I don't believe, since the Panthers began as an NFL franchise, they have ever had a back start every game for a full year.

I don't think the Browns have had a 1000 yard back since they re-enterred the NFL. Errict Rhett was good with TB, he'll do it. William Green will do it. Suggs will do it.

After a while, these odd trends seem extremely predictable.

Anthony Johnson played all 16 games in 1996, but he's been the only one.

Isn't that when an injury(or two) forced them to switch him from FB to RB?

 

[Bri]

I just don't think he can do it. He has to prove me wrong before I'd ever draft him.

OK But your leaguemates might so you have to rank him to figure out his value in some way. Where do you think they would rank him?

 

[Rovers]

Bri, I have already had one leaque draft, a 12 team IDP redraft. Foster went at 6.02, the 27th RB drafted, before these notables: Barlow, Suggs, Faulk and Dunn. I would rank Foster behind these RB's, except for Faulk. So, I have him at about 30. Even when he plays, I don't think he's very good. In 2003 he had a YPC of 3.8 while Davis came in at 4.5. Hey, I drafted Taylor two years ago, I don't shy away from guys who have gotten hurt, but Foster is his own unique study. If it were announced that Taylor would be ready to go this year, I'd draft him again. Late, but I'd draft him. Not Foster, no way. It is obvious that my league mates are also pretty wary of Foster too. The four rookies even went before he did, in a redraft.So, based on just this one draft, he is in the 25 to 30 ranking. This is a pretty competitive internet based money league and none of the owners are tools. He is clearly considered to be a bye week/3rd RB type by these guys, and I agree with that assessment. If he doesn't get hurt, he may be an incredible value there..... but I already said my shtick about that.

 

[Jason Wood]

Whenever we consider whether a player seems durable or brittle, it is worth revisiting this article: Everybody is an Injury Risk, by Doug Drinen.

One of my favorite articles, but Maurile...what this article and your defense of Foster fail to address is the impact of repeated injuries and forecasting future performance. I completely agree that an otherwise healthy RB is just as likely to get hit the wrong way and tear their ACL as the next guy...but when someone misses 30 of 48 professional games with a variety of injuries, empirically it's evident he's more likely to be IMPACTED by injury. Even if you accept your hypothesis that Foster is no more likely to suffer a NEW injury than Shaun Alexander or LaDainian Tomlinson, you still have to factor the cumulative impact on his skill set that his prior injuries have taken; not to mention accept the possibility that he may in fact be either more prone to injury or have a greater difficulty healing in a timely manner.

 

[Family Matters]

Whenever we consider whether a player seems durable or brittle, it is worth revisiting this article: Everybody is an Injury Risk, by Doug Drinen.

One of my favorite articles, but Maurile...what this article and your defense of Foster fail to address is the impact of repeated injuries and forecasting future performance. I completely agree that an otherwise healthy RB is just as likely to get hit the wrong way and tear their ACL as the next guy...but when someone misses 30 of 48 professional games with a variety of injuries, empirically it's evident he's more likely to be IMPACTED by injury. Even if you accept your hypothesis that Foster is no more likely to suffer a NEW injury than Shaun Alexander or LaDainian Tomlinson, you still have to factor the cumulative impact on his skill set that his prior injuries have taken; not to mention accept the possibility that he may in fact be either more prone to injury or have a greater difficulty healing in a timely manner.

On the flip side of this discussion, what's also missing from Foster's background is a season or more of uninterrupted performance. It's not like he's ever had a season where he stayed healthy so you base an arguement in his defense and say "when healthy a full season Foster has proven to be a solid RB1". There's nothing there to debate except his injurious past. (and yes it is a real word-I looked it up)

 

[packersfan]

Delhomme has been in Carolina for all of two seasons. Let's take a look at his splits:

1st half 2003: 1394 passing yards, 8 passing TDs, 0 rushing TDs

2nd half 2003: 1825 passing yards, 11 passing TDs, 1 rushing TDs

1st half 2004: 1852 passing yards, 12 passing TDs, 1 rushing TDs

2nd half 2004: 2034 passing yards, 17 passing TDs, 0 rushing TDs

If one of these lines is an anomoly, I think its the first, not the last. Delhomme wasn't the starter from the first game, and took a little time to develop into a starter. In my write-up on Delhomme, this was the point that I made, that Delhomme has blossomed as a starter, particuarilly last year.

I have to say that the first is as much an anomoly as the last. Carolina was airing it out like crazy in the 2nd half of last season, and Muhammad was on fire. Muhammad doesn't play for CAR anymore. I'd say the middle two are more typical of what to expect, which puts Delhomme at 3700 yds and 25 total TDs. So, I'm a little low, but I don't see quite the upside that some see.

If you project the middle two over a season, you get approximately 3700 yards and 23 passing TDs and 1 rushing TD. If you assume that's the low side (and I think it is) then Delhomme is a great value at the #15 pick.Another thing to keep in mind is that the conception about the Panthers offense is "In 2003, the Panthers won with a strong defense and a conservative ball-control offense. In 2004, their defense was awful and after they lost their RBs, so they went to a pass-crazy 'bombs away' approach. In 2005, they will surely get back to the conservative style that suits them best."

I don't think that conception is accurate. When did the Panthers up their passing production? In the last eight games. How did they do in those eight games? They went 6-2. Each of their two losses was by a field goal.

I would say that if the Panthers were winning games by opening up their offense, it might be a bad mis-step to assume that in 2005 they will revert back to "three yards and a cloud of dust".

One very important thing to keep in mind, and I posted the stats in a thread about Delhomme several weeks ago, is that Delhomme's production last season went up after the Panthers finally got their running game back on track with Goings. So while Goings was giving Fox the running game he prefers Delhomme was using that to put up terrific passing numbers. So if we are to assume that Carolina's running game will be no worse than it was with Goings and quite probably better with some combination of Foster, Davis (maybe), Shelton and Goings than Delhomme's potential for 2005 remains high.And while Muhammad is gone, Smith's return cannot be overstated. After all, Muhammad wasn't the Panthers' No. 1 WR -- Smith was. If Smith can return to health and Colbert at worst remains the same there's every reason to believe Delhomme will again put up terrific numbers. The one area where Muhammad will be missed the most is in the Red Zone. He was an absolute freak inside the 20 and that is where the Panthers' passing game must re-adjust since Smith isn't a big WR and Colbert didn't get a real chance to do anything there last season. Perhaps Freddie Jones could pick up some of the slack there.

But I do hope people keep pushing Delhomme past the Top 10-12 QBs in their rankings. I touted him hard as a strong QB option last year and I'm touting him again this season as well. So I'm digging seeing him ranked where he is and where he has been going in most of the drafts I've seen so far.

 

[AB in DC]

Another thing to consider about Delhomme -- those big numbers in the second half weren't exactly garbage time yards. That was a very productive offense performing exceptionally well in close, hard-fought games. In that respect, if Steve Smith is healthy, I don't see much change.

 

[Wingnut]

Noticed a typo in one of the pages. In the Undervalued QBs, the following is posted:

"BostonFred" - Aaron Brooks has been a top ten QB every single season he's been the starter. Yet his ADP is QB12, available in the eighth round. So you can have three backs, three receivers and a TE and still get a perennial top ten TE. That's a nice start to any fantasy team.

Should read "top ten QB".

Isnt there a free FBG shirt for finding these mistakes? No? Dammit.

 

[David Yudkin]

Noticed a typo in one of the pages. In the Undervalued QBs, the following is posted:

"BostonFred" - Aaron Brooks has been a top ten QB every single season he's been the starter. Yet his ADP is QB12, available in the eighth round. So you can have three backs, three receivers and a TE and still get a perennial top ten TE. That's a nice start to any fantasy team.

Should read "top ten QB".

Isnt there a free FBG shirt for finding these mistakes? No? Dammit.

Maybe bostonfred will give you a free bostonfred shirt.

 

[Tick]

My report card:

Deep sleeper QBs: Boller, Losman, Ramsey. I think I get a D here - Boller was very useful for people in the playoffs this year and showed some improvement. Losman was totally unpredictable but overall pretty lousy. Ramsey got pulled after 12 seconds and watched most of the season from the bench.

Deep sleeper RBs: KFaulk, CTaylor, Shipp. I did okay here. Faulk was injured, so it's hard to grade that. Taylor was quite useful in survivors, but not really startable unless you were in a big bind. Shipp stunk, but did end up with almost 200 touches and the larger share of the touches in Arizona. It's just that he did nothing with those touches.

Deep sleeper WRs: Toomer, Boston, Caldwell, Price Toomer came on strong in the second half, with 400 yards and 5 TDs in the last eight games, but other than that this was a dreadful list. Price got cut, signed, and cut. Boston was injured and might be done. Caldwell never did much at all.

Deep sleeper TE: Cooley.

Underrated QBs: Plummer, Griese. Plummer finished right about where his ADP said he should have. Griese was injured, so it's hard to say, but there were rumors of impending benching even before he was injured.

Overrated QBs: Vick, Palmer. Everyone picked Vick, and we were all right, of course. But Palmer was about as bad of a choice as there was available, and I chose him.

Underrated RBs: MBennett, Barlow, FTaylor. Bennett sucked - even his good games came when nobody expected them and he was on their bench. Barlow was good in the first half of the season, putting up 75 yards per game with 3 TDs... but he got injured in the second half. Taylor was similar - close to 100 ypg in the first half of the season with two TDs, but injured in the second half. Not so good here.

Overrated RBs: Jackson, Henry, CWilliams. I was wrong on SJackson - he was a little better than his ADP. I was right on about Travis Henry, though I didn't know he'd miss so many games. Still, he wasn't much of a factor with 450 yards and no TDs. Cadillac Williams blew me away - I was dead wrong on him. He hurt the team of mine that he was on with those four 20 yard/no TD games in the middle of the season, but overall he was great.

Underrated WRs: Driver, Boldin, Coles. I nailed the first two, though I didn't know Walker would go down for the season. Coles I was off on, though I didn't know he'd have two arena-quality QBs throwing to him most of the season.

Overrated WRs: Porter, Roy Williams, Fitzgerald. I nailed Roy, but Porter is an incomplete because of his injury. I was waaaaay off on Fitz.

Underrated TE: LJ Smith. I was right on him, and think he would have done much better had McNabb been there all season.

Overrated TE: Wiggins. I was right here - he finished 17th. However, I didn't know he'd lose Culpepper.

Overall, pretty mediocre.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I don't think many people would be surprised if Vick finished a year as the #1 ranked fantasy QB...

i will never post here again if he is the #1 fantasy qb in 2005.take that to the bank.

There's always next year.

 

[Barry Jive and The Uptown Five]

My report card:

...

Tick, did you review this from your own file? or from the FBG site?I can't seem to find the FBG page where my particular plays are recorded.

Nor can I find the word document I mailed in to Dodds (must not have made the file conversion to the new PC...).

 

[Tick]

I just went to Articles, found the relevant articles, and searched for my screen name. I'm sure the same would work for you.

 

[David Yudkin]

My report card:

...

Tick, did you review this from your own file? or from the FBG site?I can't seem to find the FBG page where my particular plays are recorded.

Nor can I find the word document I mailed in to Dodds (must not have made the file conversion to the new PC...).

The link to the article is in the first post of this thread.As for who I picked and how they did . . .

QB

Overvalued

Brees 14 --> 7 = -

Pennington 16 --> = +

Undervalued

Harrington 21 -->25 = -

McNair 20 --> 15 = +

RB

Overvalued

McGahee 5 --> 13 = +

Portis 7 --> 6 = -

Bell 20 --> 22 = +

Undervalued

Anderson 48 --> 10 = +

Moore 41 --> 28 = +

Taylor 28 --> 33 = -

WR

Overvalued

AJohnson 8 --> 47 = +

Moss 1 --> 15 = +

RWilliams 14 --> 30 = +

Bennett 17 --> 38 = +

Undervalued

Driver 20 --> 13 = +

Kennison 35 --> 18 = +

Bruce 22 --> 58 = -

Rogers 37 --> 105 = -

TE

Overvalued

Putzier 12 --> 22 = +

Undervalued

Wiggins 11 --> 17 = -

Overall, 13 right, 7 wrong.

 

[Fullback Fro]

Fro's Report Card

QB Sleeper - Boller - terrible year but excelled in playoffs. May have one you a title.

RB - Justin Fargas

WR - Amani Toomer great 2nd half

Sammy Parker when he played

Arnaz Battle when he played

Joey Galloway :

Clarence Moore

Quincy Morgan

TE: Doug Jolley started to come around but was way too late

Overvalued

QB - Mike Vick

RB - DeShaun Foster -

Chris Brown -

Larry Johnson - KC Did say value was predicated if Holmes or not.

WR - Eric Moulds

Plaxico Burress - hot start - slow finish

TE - Todd Heap had some great games in the 2nd half.

 

[Barry Jive and The Uptown Five]

Alright - Found the article with the appropriate MB input...

QB – Undervalued: - Barely beat their ADP listed. Nothing to crow about here.

Plummer – QB14... finished QB11

Griese – QB20... finished QB37 (Extrapolated to QB17... 6 games @ 13.18 FP/G)

QB – OVERVALUED - Hasselbeck was a clear miss. Vick was and will continue to be rated too high come draft day.

VICK – QB4... QB10

Hasselbeck QB7... QB5 - OOPS

RB – Undervalued - No wonder I struggled this year. I didn't follow my own advice by drafting Dunn, and did draft CMart & KJ. Very poor years for those two guys.

K.Jones RB13... RB31 OOPS

W. Dunn RB28... RB12

C. Martin RB17... RB29 OOPS

RB – OVERvalued Brown & Duckett finished right at expectations. Clarett was more a pick for pontification's sake and I was dead on with that one...

C. Brown RB21... RB20

TJ Duckett RB37... RB38

M.Clarett RB50... ZERO

WR OVERrated - Pretty much hit on all three of these for various reasons, including injury

J. Porter WR18... WR27

M. Muhammed WR25... WR37

D. Bennett WR16... WR38

WR UNDERrated - Two strong calls here with a third pick that "met the criteria."

D.Branch WR27... WR22 call it a wash... he did better, but not by much

R.Smith WR34... WR16

Kennison WR41... WR18

TE OVERrated - Missed here.

Heap TE3... TE3 Heap did better than I thought. definitely a miss

TE UNDERrated - Missed here as well.

McMichael TE8... TE8

Using Yudkin's +/- scale to make right/wrong calls...

Right = 11

Wrong = 7 (including the 2 TEs who finished exactly at ADP)

 

[Family Matters]

My calls ended as follows:Under valued QB-Plummer- ADP was 14 and finished week 16 as #9. OK -McNair-ADP was 19 and finished 15. OKOver valued QB-Vick-ADP was QB4 and finished as 8. OK but closer than I thought.Under valued RB- Arrington-ADP was 29 and finished 53. Bad -Bennett-ADP was 30 and finished 43. Bad. -Bell-ADP was 19 and finished 24. Bad but was close.Over valued RB-D. Davis-ADP was 7 and finished 15. OK but injuries were a factor.Under valued WR-Driver-ADP 29 and finished 15. OK -Bolden-ADP 26 and finished 8. OK -Rogers-ADP was who knows but he really sucked. Bad.Under valued TE-LJ Smith-ADP 11 and finished 10. OK because of injuries and such. He was rocking before McNabb and Westbrook went down. -Wiggins-ADP 10 and finshed 15. Bad.Over valued TE-Miller-ADP 13 and finished 11. BadTotal OK=7Total Bad=6Like most of these sleeper picks, you go about 50-50. The key is not to place too much value one way or the other because you understand where the value on them lies. My biggest mistake was taking Bell too high. I recovered in most leagues but I could of done better had I gone in a different direction.

 

[Bloom]

my calls:deep sleeper QBs: Boller (Ok) Losman(bad)deep sleeper RBs: Morency (bad) Pearman (bad) in both cases a backup made contributions this year, just not the one i picked.deep sleeper WRs: Toomer (Ok) Battle (ok while healthy) Bryant (big )deep sleeper TEs: Troupe ( ) Alex Smith (ok, but i was overly optimistic)undervalued QBs: Mcnair ( ) Leftwich (good until hurt, but a loss)overvalued QBs: Vick ( ) Carr (meh)undervalued RBs: Arrington, KJones, Martin (commits seppuku)overvalued RBs: Mcgahee ( ) Portis ( ) Ahman ( )undervalued WRs: Boldin ( ) Keyshawn ( ) Evans (meh)overvalued WRs: Andre Johnson ( ) Wayne ( )undervalued TEs: McMichael (meh)overvalued TEs: Heap (meh) Clark ( )

 

[joffer]

I'm missing something. All I see are the staff comments

 

[Michael Brown]

Somehow, I won 3 of my 4 leagues this year even with the crap seen below. The thing is, I only had two of my "deep sleepers" on any of my teams at any point (Taylor and Jurevicius) and only 2 of my "undervalued" guys (L.Jordan and Da.Clark) were on my rosters. And I actually did fine with my overvalued players, which also saved me. I was extremely high on both Carson Palmer and Chris Cooley and drafted both of them in every league I did, but for some reason I neglected to include either of them in these articles. Deep sleepersQB: Boller, J.GarciaRB: Justin Fargas, Anthony Thomas, Ladell BettsWR: Brandon Lloyd, Randle El, David Boston, Travis Taylor, JureviciusTE: Jolley, D.GrahamUndervaluedQB: BreesRB: Staley, L.JordanWR: Kennison, Lelie, McCareinsTE: Dallas Clark, FranksOvervaluedQB: Hasselbeck, ManningRB: Priest, SuggsWR: Moulds, Muhammed, BurressTE: Wiggins, T-Gon

 

[David Yudkin]

I forgot about the Deep Sleepers . . .Frerotte 37--> 17 Bledsoe 25 --> 6 CPerry 68 --> 45 MMorris 61 --> 71 Toomer 51 --> 33 Glenn 66 --> 12 Randle El 54 --> 52 Boston 59 --> 145 Booker 76 --> 43 Watson 23 --> 15 8-2 in this set and 13-7 in the other batch = 21-9 overall

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Undervalued

QB Aaron Brooks (13, 16)

QB Jake Plummer (12, 11)

RB Thomas Jones (35, 9)

RB Fred Taylor (28, 33)

RB Eric Shelton (44, DNP)

WR Donald Driver (20, 13)

WR Rod Smith (33, 16)

WR Keyshawn Johnson (42, 28)

WR David Givens (48, 42)

TE Jason Witten (3, 6)

Overvalued

QB Tom Brady (9, 2)

QB Eli Manning (24, 4)

RB Michael Bennett (23, 39)

RB Deshaun Foster (27, 24)

RB Curtis Martin (16, 29)

WR Roy Williams (14, 30)

WR Brandon Stokley (32, 69)

WR Keary Colbert (39, 92)

WR Charles Rogers (37, 104)

TE Jeb Putzier (12, 21)

I'd say I went about 11-3-6 on mine.

Deep Sleepers

QB Gus Frerotte (37, 17)

QB JP Losman (27, 35)

QB Trent Dilfer (35, 24)

RB Najeh Davenport (53, 93)

RB Chester Taylor (54, 43)

RB Anthony Thomas (52, 108)

WR Terry Glenn (66, 12)

WR Marty Booker (76, 43)

WR Reche Caldwell (56, 88)

TE Chris Cooley (18, 4)

TE Jeb Putzier (17, 21)

TE Ben Watson (23, 15)

and about 7-4-1 here

Overall: 18-7-7

 

[BassNBrew]

Plummer McNair J. Lewis Westbrook Blaylock Kennison Givens Lelie R. Smith Clark Palmer thumbdown D. Davis thumbupFosterClarett thumbup Wayne thumbupM. Williams thumbup Moulds thumbupEvans thumbup HeapMiller 11-5-3: Pretty strongSleepersQB: Sorgi, Tui, Frerotte - Better then average.RB: Chatman, Fisher, Dayne - Nothing special here.WR: Curtis, El, Hakim, Jurvicious - Homerun...2 top 30 guys and two plug in starters.Based on what I'm seeing from these results and those of others, FBG should run this feature again.

 

[bostonfred]

I'm missing something. All I see are the staff comments

Same. Link please?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I'm missing something.  All I see are the staff comments 

Same. Link please?

I found the problem.We did 2 versions of this article. One that Dodds posted in early June that included all the message board members, and one that was posted in late August that only included staff members.

It looks like the link in the first post is now going to the August article instead of the one from June. Here's a link to the article from June: http://footballguys.com/05valueqb0.htm

 

[BassNBrew]

I'm missing something.  All I see are the staff comments 

Same. Link please?

I found the problem.We did 2 versions of this article. One that Dodds posted in early June that included all the message board members, and one that was posted in late August that only included staff members.

It looks like the link in the first post is now going to the August article instead of the one from June. Here's a link to the article from June: http://footballguys.com/05valueqb0.htm

Given a second straight victory by the messageboard in the Staff/MB challenge, maybe the second article should have included messageboarders???

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

my picks from JuneUndervalued:QB Aaron Brooks (QB12)QB Byron Leftwich (QB18)RB Kevin Jones (RB13) RB Steven Jackson (RB16) RB Eric Shelton (RB44) WR Anquan Boldin (WR26) WR Rod Smith (WR34) WR Keyshawn Johnson (WR46) TE Heath Miller (TE13) Overvalued:QB Tom Brady (QB10) QB Eli Manning (QB23) RB Curtis Martin (RB17) RB Fred Taylor (RB24) RB Deshaun Foster (RB26)WR Roy Williams (WR12) WR Jerry Porter (WR18) WR Charles Rogers (WR39) went about 9-4-4 on these

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Given a second straight victory by the messageboard in the Staff/MB challenge, maybe the second article should have included messageboarders???

there were time constraints that made that impossible. otherwise, I'm sure it would have happened.

 

[David Yudkin]

Including guys in the other sleeper article . . .Plummer 14 --> 11 Warner 24 --> 22 Vick 4 --> 10 Dunn 28 --> 12 Rudi 15 --> 7 Foster 26 --> 24 RSmith 34 --> 16 Ward 10 --> 10 PUSHMcMichael 8 --> 8 PUSHRunning total now up to 27-10-2 (.718).

 

[joffer]

Undervalued

Plummer 14 --> 11

Brooks 12 --> 16

Dunn 28 --> 12

M. Moore 41 --> 28

Kennison 41 --> 18

Lelie 31 --> 41

Keyshawn 46 --> 28

LJ Smith 11 --> 9

Overvalued

Hasselbeck 7 --> 5

Staley 27 --> 92

R. Brown 22 --> 23

Porter 18 --> 27

Moulds 21 --> 35

Plaxico 28 --> 11

Todd Heap 3 --> 3

 

[bostonfred]

I was pretty consistent on these:UnderratedBrees - was 7th, much better than 13th where he was drafted as a backupBrooks - was on pace to be top 8 until, well, the playoffs. OverratedCulpepper - I'm amazed only three of us picked Culpepper here. UnderratedJJ Arrington - All 12 of us should be ashamed of ourselvesRudi Johnson - I think the injury to Perry helped here, thoughOverratedPriest Holmes - LJ and injury concerns were realSteven Jackson - He ended up being drafted about the right spot, maybe a little late.UnderratedKennison - Dodds really deserves the credit here, he started the Kennison love on this boardDriver - Always underrated, always one of my favorites, more importantly, always one of Favre's favorites. Rod Smith - Another consistently underrated WROverrated Jerry Porter - He was overrated, and not WR18, but to his credit he did exceed my expectationsRoy Williams - Way overrated. He still is. I don't get it. Derrick Mason - Was neither overrated nor underrated. Ended up being drafted about rightUnderratedRandy McMichael - Was drafted around 8th, was around 8th. Eric Johnson - InjuredOverrated Dallas Clark - Was way overrated, for exactly the reasons I said (Manning regressing, Edge scoring more, Pollard leaving)Gates - Was underrated, if anything. I missed the boat in every league but one, which was a six player keeper where I was basically forced to take him in the first. He ended up carrying my team to the playoffs.

 

[bagger.]

I don't think many people would be surprised if Vick finished a year as the #1 ranked fantasy QB...

i will never post here again if he is the #1 fantasy qb in 2005.take that to the bank.

There's always next year.