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A-List Celebrity To Be Outed As A Sexual Predator (1 Viewer)

worrierking said:
Politician Spock said:
That's not the behavior of a sexual predator, unless there is evidence of his intent to take it further. That's the behavior of a comic making a bad joke. She's still a victim, and she could probably sue in civil court for damages. But she's not a victim of a sexual predator. It's not a criminal case. 
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She also described Franken as forcibly sticking his tongue down her throat.  That's more predator-ish than the picture.
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If that's the case, then yes add him to the list. 

 
Politician Spock said:
That's not the behavior of a sexual predator, unless there is evidence of his intent to take it further. That's the behavior of a comic making a bad joke. She's still a victim, and she could probably sue in civil court for damages. But she's not a victim of a sexual predator. It's not a criminal case. 
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O RLY?
 

On the day of the show Franken and I were alone backstage going over our lines one last time. He said to me, “We need to rehearse the kiss.” I laughed and ignored him. Then he said it again. I said something like, ‘Relax Al, this isn’t SNL…we don’t need to rehearse the kiss.’

He continued to insist, and I was beginning to get uncomfortable.

He repeated that actors really need to rehearse everything and that we must practice the kiss. I said ‘OK’ so he would stop badgering me. We did the line leading up to the kiss and then he came at me, put his hand on the back of my head, mashed his lips against mine and aggressively stuck his tongue in my mouth.

I immediately pushed him away with both of my hands against his chest and told him if he ever did that to me again I wouldn’t be so nice about it the next time.

I walked away. All I could think about was getting to a bathroom as fast as possible to rinse the taste of him out of my mouth.

I felt disgusted and violated.
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Man in the yellow hat said:
I agree. However, the flood gates are now open. I don't think it matters anymore. Guy hits on you you're not interested in? Harassment. Bad joke? Harassment. We're down the rabbit hole on this, and to the point where allegations are now reported as facts. 
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Crazy unknown drunken events in a public campsite restroom? Not Harassment?

 
What the mother effing frock????

 

Corey Feldman named another one of his six alleged abusers on the "Dr. Oz" show that aired Monday afternoon. According to Feldman, Alphy Hoffman, the man who ran the infamous underground kids club called Alphy's Soda Pop Club, sexually abused him when he was a young actor. 

“I met him when I was 12 years old," Feldman told Dr. Oz. "He came to my house to pick me up in his car. I’d heard rumors he threw the coolest parties in town and he was well connected."

Hoffman, whose real name is Alphy Rivas, ran the Hollywood club from 1986 to 1989. Private and only for kids under the age of 16 who were working in film and television, the club included a dancefloor and neverending access to soda. Along with big names like Feldman and the late Corey Haim, the club was attended by other stars like Alyssa Milano, Nicole Eggert, Scott Grimes and Alfonso Ribeiro. 

“Those parties were relatively kid-friendly," Feldman continued. "Interestingly, that’s where I met the guy that ended up molesting Haim. There were a bunch of these guys. They were there hanging out together at these parties. And the thing is, there weren’t a lot of parents at the party. Because he would pick them up and he would become friends with all these kids." 
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I want to hear from the *******nnnn parents of these kids who thought nothing of allowing their kids to attend these parties.  What on earth were you doing when this was going on?  How are there not alarm bells going off in your head when an adult male is becoming a little too friendly with your kids?  

 
General Malaise said:
What the mother effing frock????

 

I want to hear from the *******nnnn parents of these kids who thought nothing of allowing their kids to attend these parties.  What on earth were you doing when this was going on?  How are there not alarm bells going off in your head when an adult male is becoming a little too friendly with your kids?  
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My understanding is the industry is easy pickings for these monsters because to even be a kid in that crowd you have to have parents insane enough to take great risks in the pursuit of fame and fortune. 

 
It's hard to believe in all this the president of the USA is the only person where this behavior is being shrugged off

 
Sheriff Bart said:
Calling bull#### on this one. 
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I'm kinda with you on this one. If Takei drugged the guy and tried to have non-consensual sex, then that makes him a criminal. But if it's 2 adults getting drunk and one makes a move on the other... happens all day every day.

 
Walking Boot said:
Been that way since Lewinsky. 
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More whataboutism.  It's like clockwork.  I guess when that's the only hammer you got, everything looks like a nail.  You do realize the difference between consent and harassment right?  I don't recall ever hearing Lewinsky didn't consent.  

 
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I like that the predator stuff is coming out, but many of these stories sound like run of the mill slip ups (Dustin hoffman ### slap), bad ideas (Franken fake boob grab), and bad dates (Takei drunk penis fumbling). These people should not be lumped in with the likes of Spacey, Wienstein and Sandusky.

 
Jobber said:
I like that the predator stuff is coming out, but many of these stories sound like run of the mill slip ups (Dustin hoffman ### slap), bad ideas (Franken fake boob grab), and bad dates (Takei drunk penis fumbling). These people should not be lumped in with the likes of Spacey, Wienstein and Sandusky.
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Except for Franken it's not this, it's also him forcibly sticking his tongue down a woman's throat, a married woman's throat to be precise and I think I speak for all of us married guys if he did that ish to any of our wives, I don't think any of us would see it as a "run of the mill slip up."

 
Sullie said:
Except for Franken it's not this, it's also him forcibly sticking his tongue down a woman's throat, a married woman's throat to be precise and I think I speak for all of us married guys if he did that ish to any of our wives, I don't think any of us would see it as a "run of the mill slip up."
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Yes, a horny old dude got inappropriate with a Playboy bunny. Using a skit rehearsal to kiss her. It was gross, but not ongoing harasent nor should it be career ending, IMO. And no, she was not married (though he may have been).

 
Jobber said:
Yes, a horny old dude got inappropriate with a Playboy bunny. Using a skit rehearsal to kiss her. It was gross, but not ongoing harasent nor should it be career ending, IMO. And no, she was not married (though he may have been).
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Why are you excusing what he did when even Franken admitted there's no excuse for what he did?

 
Franken shouldn't be excused from it. What he did was wrong, and he deserves to be put through the wringer for it.

It still isn't in the same ballpark as the other major players in this thread.

 
General Malaise said:
What the mother effing frock????
 

Corey Feldman named another one of his six alleged abusers on the "Dr. Oz" show that aired Monday afternoon. According to Feldman, Alphy Hoffman, the man who ran the infamous underground kids club called Alphy's Soda Pop Club, sexually abused him when he was a young actor. 

“I met him when I was 12 years old," Feldman told Dr. Oz. "He came to my house to pick me up in his car. I’d heard rumors he threw the coolest parties in town and he was well connected."

Hoffman, whose real name is Alphy Rivas, ran the Hollywood club from 1986 to 1989. Private and only for kids under the age of 16 who were working in film and television, the club included a dancefloor and neverending access to soda. Along with big names like Feldman and the late Corey Haim, the club was attended by other stars like Alyssa Milano, Nicole Eggert, Scott Grimes and Alfonso Ribeiro. 

“Those parties were relatively kid-friendly," Feldman continued. "Interestingly, that’s where I met the guy that ended up molesting Haim. There were a bunch of these guys. They were there hanging out together at these parties. And the thing is, there weren’t a lot of parents at the party. Because he would pick them up and he would become friends with all these kids." 
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I want to hear from the *******nnnn parents of these kids who thought nothing of allowing their kids to attend these parties.  What on earth were you doing when this was going on?  How are there not alarm bells going off in your head when an adult male is becoming a little too friendly with your kids?  
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I've been googling this "Alphy's Soda Pop Club" for the past hour or two. 

Feldman actually refused to name Alphy Hoffman as one of his abusers on Dr. Oz's show. What happened was the show inferred from his previous interview that Hoffman may have been one of the 6 in the ring Feldman says exists. They showed a picture to Feldman (that the audience could not see) and asked him if the person was one of the 6. Feldman confirmed. Dr Oz then asked Corey if he wanted to share his name to the audience. Feldman declined, citing legal reasons. Dr Oz, then said he would take the legal risk himself and told the audience that the man in the picture he showed Corey is Alphy Hoffman. 

Then I find Alyssa Milano is being attacked for apparently not being willing to share what she knows about Alphy' and his Soda Pop Club. Link: http://toofab.com/2017/11/06/corey-feldman-sean-astin-alyssa-milano-rose-mcgowan-backlash-underage-hollywood-sex-abuse/

It's also weird that Feldman would have met Haim's molester at the club, given it was a 16 and under club. Haim's molester is supposedly Charlie Sheen, who is 6 years older than Haim and Feldman. Feldman says he didn't meet Alphy until he was 12, and the club didn't start until 1986 when Feldman was at least 14 (he would turn 15 in July of 1986). which would make Sheen at least 20 at the time Feldman met him. What would a 20 year old be doing at a club for 16 year olds and under?

I really don't like how Feldman has handled this, but I'm not in his shoes, so I don't know what he is fearing. But it appears others who attended the club are fearing about speaking about it too. 

 
Jobber said:
Yes, a horny old dude got inappropriate with a Playboy bunny. Using a skit rehearsal to kiss her. It was gross, but not ongoing harasent nor should it be career ending, IMO. And no, she was not married (though he may have been).
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I'll be honest with you, I'm not trying to pick on you man but that's horrible you think that way.  I'm married and I would never betray my wife like that but further more I could never do something like that to a woman.  Hell, even if I wasn't married, I was drunk or whatever I could never do something like that.  I'm not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, it's just that I have three older sisters and this always hits close to home.  When I was growing up I would hear stories about creepy f*cks like this in positions of power doing crap like this and it always makes my blood boil.

It really doesn't matter what she once did, at that moment in time she was his co-worker and she should have been treated with the same respect as everyone else, it doesn't matter if she was a playboy bunny, a teacher or a nun there's no excuse for what he did.

To your other point, you are correct as I misread the article.  She was not married at the time but dating the guy she would later marry and have two children with however he's been married to the same woman since the early 70's. 

 
Tom Servo said:
O RLY?
 

On the day of the show Franken and I were alone backstage going over our lines one last time. He said to me, “We need to rehearse the kiss.” blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah 

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. I said ‘OK’ blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah 
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She said OK...  :shrug:

 
Probably should update the title of the thread to: "A-list Celebrity to be Outed as NOT a sexual predator"  

It would be more shocking...

 
bagger said:
At this point we may want to concede the south give it back to France, Mexico or whoever will have it.
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Yeah - because the nearly 4 million Californians who voted for Trump would automatically become geniuses overnight if Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana went away.

 
Christo said:
Why would either of them being married or not be relevant?
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In my mind, it goes to character. When I was single, if I found out a girl was in a relationship, I wouldn't pursue her. Probably would refrain from taking photos of me "groping" her in her sleep too. 

 
Sinn Fein said:
Probably should update the title of the thread to: "A-list Celebrity to be Outed as NOT a sexual predator"  

It would be more shocking...
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I've come to the conclusion that Sheen didn't molest Haim, and that the story of Haim being molested while filming Lucas was made up by Feldman. Why he made it up, I don't know. I think Feldman is a victim, and I have no reason to reject who is he is naming that molested him. But the Lucas story about Haim doesn't hold water.

Feldman and Haim "discussed" their molestations in a scene on The Two Coreys: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlZxPPzjIb0

As you can see in the video, Haim is pretty bitter towards Feldman about the incident, stopping just short of accusing him of being an accessory to it. He said his molestor was Feldman's "best friend" (weren't Feldman and Haim supposed to be "best friends" back then"), a guy Feldman introduced Haim to, and is still someone Feldman hangs out with "today" (I think this was shot back in 2007 or 2008). Feldman attempts to deflect Haims content towards him by bringing up his own molestations. This seems like a weak defense mechanism from Feldman, as nothing that is said about it seems to reflect negatively on Haim. Was it Haim's friend? Apparently not. Did Haim introduce them? Apparently not? Is Haim still friends with him? Apparently not. So Feldman's deflection came up empty. The final nail comes from Feldman realizing that Haim's molestation experience was worse than his own (Feldman's occurred when he was sleeping, while Haim was wide awake and fully aware of what was happening to him). Feldman ends it by sighing and throwing his left hand up in the air, at which point Haim decides to leave, but not before saying their friendship is over. 

I read another article published after this event where Feldman says the two were "not on speaking terms". Haim then died in early 2010. 

So why would Feldman make up the Lucas story? I think Feldman feels guilty. I don't think at the time that scene occurred that Feldman really understood what monsters he had surrounding him in his life. He's admitted in recent interviews that he didn't know that he was back in the 80's, and I'm speculating he still didn't know in 2007/2008. As a victim himself, he may have just buried a lot of it. But I think Haim dying in 2010 triggered an awakening within him. What he didn't see for all his life, became clear. He was surrounded by monsters in his childhood. And Haim dying triggered that realization because Feldman brought Haim into his world.

Feldman had been in that world for years before Haim showed up to film Lost Boys with him in 1986. Feldman introduced him into his world, a world full of monsters. So Haim, while severely messed up beyond belief, actually had a right to be pissed at Feldman for his molestation. But is Feldman going to accept that? No. It's too much for his conscience to deal with. So his conscience has convinced Feldman that Haim was already a victim of these monsters before Haim become Feldman's friend. That's Feldmans way of believing "It's not my fault.". 

In the video Haim says he was 14 and a half when we was molested. Haim was born December 23, 1971. He would turn 14 in 1985. 14 and a half would be around June/July of 1986. The film Lucas we released to theaters on March 28th, 1986. They would have been done filming months before, probably even before Haim turned 14. Filming of Lost Boys began in 1986. The first Alphy's Soda Pop Club party was hosted by Feldman and Haim in 1986. Feldman's story says he knew Alphy since he was 12 years old, and he introduced Alphy and Haim for the purposes of launching the Alphy's Soda Pop Club. I don't think Alphy molested Haim, but Feldman introducing Haim to people like this seemed to be a common occurrence.

Whoever molested Haim was someone Feldman introduced him to, someone close enough that calling him Feldman's "best friend" had a least some validity, and someone Feldman still hung out with in 2007/2008. 

After Sheen was named by Dominick Brascia as the man who molested Haim on the set of Lucas, Haim's mom said it wasn't Sheen who molested his son, but was in fact Dominick Brascia himself who did it. And it wasn't when Haim was 13 on the set of Lucas, it was when he was 14 in California filming Lost Boys. His mother said he was only molested once, and did not want to go after his molester. He wanted to just put it behind him and get on with his life. 

This isn't the first time Brascia has been accused of being Haim's molester. On http://www.coreyhaim.us/ they have this published: 

September 27, 2016: 

A public statement from Judy Haim: 

I am making this statement to confirm that Greg Harrison is a long time family friend, who has been friends with Corey Haim, my son, since 1990. He was and is a close confident to both Corey and myself. Greg Harrison and Corey Haim shared a real close friendship and had many years to share the good, bad and the ugly of each others personal lives. 

September 26, 2016: 

The following is a Public Statement by Greg Harrison (close friend of Corey and Judy Haim). This is the account of what Corey stated to Greg in the presence of Judy Haim, and it has been approved by both the webmistress, Jen, and Judy Haim for posting on Corey's Official Website: 

"I have had enough of the lies! I’ve had enough of all the deception and distractions to draw people away from the truth as told to me by Corey Haim. What I am about to say is not my opinion, it comes straight from the mouth of Corey Haim. I have also had enough of listening to people accusing and blaming Judy Haim for not protecting her son Corey. Let me tell you about this brave amazing woman who Corey loved dearly and often affectionately referred to her as, “The Blonde Poet”. Picture Judy Haim (The Blonde Poet) barging into a room and grabbing a pool cue and threatening Actor-Director and pedophile Dominick Brascia, to get off her son. 

Yeah, that’s where Judy was when this stuff was going down, since I now find myself in the position of responding to all of Judy’s critics. I’m saying this right now! My name is Greg Harrison and I was a very close and dear friend to Corey Haim for the last twenty years of his life. In those twenty years I never once saw Corey Feldman in Haim’s life, until The Two Corey’s. Speaking of The Two Corey’s let me bring you back to the second season, to the episode which is now often referred to as “The abuse episode”. Corey Haim had no problem telling people what he wanted to tell them. If Corey wanted to say something, he would come right out and say it. Being Corey Haim’s friend is not for the faint of heart. He always spoke his mind and you always knew where you stood with him because he would never hold anything back if he didn’t want to. If he didn’t like something I did or said, let me assure you I would hear about it. So I always knew what he was thinking. To give you an example of what I am talking about watch the episode when Corey Haim confronts Corey Feldman straight on and straight up. The person Corey Haim was referring to in this episode is the man named Dominick Brascia, who also happened to be a friend of Corey Feldman's. 

Let me take you back on this famous timeline, when Corey Haim was around 15 years old when he first moved to LA, to act in a little movie that was to be called, The Lost Boys. It was Corey Feldman who introduced him to Actor – Director and Pedophile Dominick Brascia. It is also public record in many interviews that Feldman did and is no secret, that Feldman was jealous of Haim. Corey Feldman introduced this pedophile to Haim and a lot of other boys. 

Now let me bring you back on the famous timeline to 1997 and a little film called, “Busted.” One day Corey Haim went to the set of “Busted” with his mother Judy Haim. When Judy and Corey Haim arrived on set, they saw both Corey Feldman and Dominick Brascia. Corey Haim had not seen Dominick in years. Judy Haim witnessed her son enraged saying, “What the Hell is he doing here?”. Corey Haim slammed and pinned Feldman against a wall and said, “I’m out of here man!” Judy Haim was a witness to this fight and also heard Feldman say, “Oh come on man, I thought you might like this!” Corey Feldman had arranged all of this even though he knew about the abuse that Haim had endured from Dominick Brascia. Corey Haim and Judy left the set that day. The next day Corey Feldman told the media that he had to fire Corey Haim because of drugs. This is yet another example of the many lies and abusive manipulation of twisting the truth that Judy and I have come accustom to seeing and experiencing from Corey Feldman. 

I realize the article below is an older one, but I hadn’t seen it until just now, following all the bread crumbs on the trial that Feldman wants us all to follow. When I saw this stated in the article I finally lost it and can see very clearly the motive and cover up behind all of this. Dominick Brascia, who said Haim was 14 years old when they met, confirmed the man’s name to The Enquirer. This is the only part that I have to begin speculating. But what I do know is that The Enquirer and this investigator is aware that Dominick abused Haim. I assume with this leverage, again I am speculating, that The Enquirer made a little deal with Dominick to keep his name out of all this mounting pressure to expose Hollywood pedophiles. I am still only speculating that they made him this deal and offered him money to confirm another name of an alleged abuser in Hollywood that Feldman seems to be after. 

I hope this begins to bring clarity into explaining why Corey Feldman is doing what he is doing. He is trying to take everyone’s attention off of that one little episode where Corey Haim asked Corey Feldman some very good questions. “Where were you when [I was] r*ped, so to speak, when I was about 14-and-a-half years old,” Haim said. “Yeah Feldman, where were you and what did you do about it? I agree as I have public stated in the media about you Feldman; that this is not my story to tell. But I agree with Corey Haim that it’s time to, “Take responsibility”! Take responsibility for what you did to Corey Haim and stop pointing your fingers at everybody else that you are seeking revenge on out of your utter jealousy and rage from what I agree must have been a very difficult up bringing in the industry. I realize Corey Feldman is also a victim and believe it or not I do feel bad for him. I do not hate Corey Feldman, but I am afraid he has crossed to many lines now that are still attempts to hurt Corey Haim and of course what this is all doing to his mother Judy Haim. Everything Corey Feldman is doing and saying is to take all of our attention off of Haim’s original question to him on the little show called, The Two Corey’s. Both Corey Feldman and Dominick Brascia are doing things to take the focus off of themselves and their involvement in both the abuse and pain that they have afflicted upon our Beloved Corey Haim. 

This is a public statement and you don’t need to ask my permission to share or copy or quote from it." 

I have said what I have said and I will not be spending any more time answering questions. This is the truth should you care to know it. 
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Brascia responded to Greg Harrison's accusation by arguing that Haim said he was molested by someone in his 40's. So by 2016, his molester would be in his 70's. He's only in his 50's so it couldn't be him. He tweeted this same argument numerous times.

But now Brascia accuses Charlie Sheen of molesting Haim on the set of Lucas, yet Sheen would only have been 19 or 20 at the time (not in his 40's), and just like Brascia is in his 50's today. So by Brascia's own argument in response to the allegation against him last year, it's not Sheen either. So Brascia accusing Sheen holds no water.  

It would have been easy to believe Sheen did it, but I don't even believe Corey's story that someone molested Haim on the set of Lucas. So far, he and Brascia are the only ones having even suggested it happened.

So does Brascia fit Haim's description of being Feldman's "best friend" and someone he still hung out with in 2007/2008? I don't know. It's obvious Feldman and Brascia still had a relationship in 1997 given they made the film Busted together. Haim's roll in Busted makes the story even more interesting. Feldman claims he had to fire Haim from the movie because his drug use made him show up to the set unable to work. Haim's mother however claims she and Haim showed up the set for Busted one day together, and there stood Dominick Brascia. Haims mom says Haim flipped out,claiming he hadn't seen him in 10 years and was pissed that Feldman brought him. She says Haim pinned Feldman up against a wall, cursed him out and quit. There doesn't appear to be any relationship between Feldman and Haim from that point until they started filming the show The Two Corey's. 

So as much of a jerk Sheen is, I don't think he molested Haim. I think Feldman's guilt towards Haim, especially after Haim died, is causing his conscience to make up that story. Feldman probably thinks it's real. But I think Feldman is off his rocker. I think his accusations of his own molesters are true, but his wanting $10 million to tell the story just shows how irrational he is right now. 

 
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I'd hate to have this thread spinoff in a different direction but I've seen it mentioned more than once without full explanation or anyone arguing against it...so I thought I'd just ask...

When was Trump actually caught on tape admitting to sexual assault?

You guys aren't referring to that Billy Bush conversation, are you?

I mean, it's repugnant, but he said "You CAN do anything...grab them by the ####sy".

As in...you're a celebrity...you can do just about anything...I don't remember seeing him actually say he did this act.

I do remember him saying he came at a woman like a biitch...trying to buy her furniture and stuff in order to bed her but failed.

Is that what is being referred to?

I'm not trying to split hairs here...but looking for honest clarification because there was so much on both sides of the aisle that I got lost in all of the accusations during this presidential campaign.

 
avoiding injuries said:
In my mind, it goes to character. When I was single, if I found out a girl was in a relationship, I wouldn't pursue her. Probably would refrain from taking photos of me "groping" her in her sleep too. 
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So someone who'd sexually assault a single person is less of a creep than someone who'd sexually assault a married person? Interesting take.

 
tdoss said:
I'd hate to have this thread spinoff in a different direction but I've seen it mentioned more than once without full explanation or anyone arguing against it...so I thought I'd just ask...

When was Trump actually caught on tape admitting to sexual assault?

You guys aren't referring to that Billy Bush conversation, are you?

I mean, it's repugnant, but he said "You CAN do anything...grab them by the ####sy".

As in...you're a celebrity...you can do just about anything...I don't remember seeing him actually say he did this act.

I do remember him saying he came at a woman like a biitch...trying to buy her furniture and stuff in order to bed her but failed.

Is that what is being referred to?

I'm not trying to split hairs here...but looking for honest clarification because there was so much on both sides of the aisle that I got lost in all of the accusations during this presidential campaign.
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You're skipping over him admitting that he kisses beautiful women without seeking permission.  

 
I'd hate to have this thread spinoff in a different direction but I've seen it mentioned more than once without full explanation or anyone arguing against it...so I thought I'd just ask...

When was Trump actually caught on tape admitting to sexual assault?

You guys aren't referring to that Billy Bush conversation, are you?

I mean, it's repugnant, but he said "You CAN do anything...grab them by the ####sy".

As in...you're a celebrity...you can do just about anything...I don't remember seeing him actually say he did this act.

I do remember him saying he came at a woman like a biitch...trying to buy her furniture and stuff in order to bed her but failed.

Is that what is being referred to?

I'm not trying to split hairs here...but looking for honest clarification because there was so much on both sides of the aisle that I got lost in all of the accusations during this presidential campaign.
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It's true that Trump said "You CAN do anything", which itself is not an admission.

But in the same conversation, Trump said "I just start kissing them" and "Just kiss, I don't even wait."

Now, maybe he was just lying because he really wanted to impress Billy Bush. But it's still an admission.

 
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