A-Train Signs with Cowboys (1 Viewer)

[Futility]

I'm pretty sure that counts as taking carries.

No, that counts as coachspeak. Please let us know how many carries A-Train had in week 11.TIA

Oh, we're going to dismiss that as coachspeak

so, basically you are predicting that (a) JJones will get hurt and (b) when JJones gets hurt, he will not be rushed back because ATrain is a capable backup. correct? or what other factors are involved?

I actually believe it is much more simple than that,A) JJ couldn't handle the full load last year and had not one but two injuries

B) Parcells brings in a back that was by most accounts still very effective as a between the tackles type of RB and has proven to be durable.

The writing is on the wall. JJ will lose touches over the course of the year...probably a significant amount.

A) You're wrong. Jones endured the bulk of the work (effectively, I might add) after returning from a freak injury. There was no further injury once he returned and he held up admirably in helping the Cowboys make a last season push for wins.B) No argument here. He brought in an effective backup. Good play by the Cowboys.

THe writing is on the wall. LHUCKS will be wrong again this year about something significant, and he'll go to great lengths to make sure no one understands his point so he simply looks "misinterpretted" rather than "wrong."

"If you can't convince them, confuse them" - Ronald Reagan

Colin

 

[packersfan]

is it fair to say that ATrain is a nice handcuff?  or do you think it turns into a RBBC where JJones' production goes down each game, i.e. JJones gets 20 total touches and ATrain gets 10?  there is a big difference between cutting into weekly scoring and having an impact on overall rankings for the year.

Remains to be seen to what extent A-Train eats into his numbers...right now I think it's safest to bump JJ down a few spots. I bump him 5 because I don't think he can stay healthy.

So that means yesterday, you thought Jones could stay healthy. Why is he more of a health risk with Thomas on the roster?

No it means that the ball is forced to JJ more without another capable RB on the roster...and injury is only party of the equation here.We have no word from Parcells on how he wants to use A-Train...that seems to be getting lost here.

Having Thomas around will allow Jones to overcome any ailments that he might encounter this season, and that will likely lead to Jones getting slightly fewer touches. Do you agree?Of course that also means he'll be heathier and fresher when he does touch the ball. A healthier and fresher back will be more productive with his touches. Do you agree?

This healthier and fresher version of Jones (with Thomas) will be able to overcome losing a handful of carries and post yardage totals that are greater than (or at least equal to) the totals of the worn down and overused version of Jones (without Thomas). Do you agree?

You're not the Tooth Fairy from the "Red Dragon" book are you?

 

[Clayton Gray]

It's silly to say that A-Train takes 25-40 ff points from JJ??

No.How many FF points did you give to Jones when Anderson was cut?

 

[Clayton Gray]

Better than I thought. Still, it took 100 carries to get those 374 yards and 2 TDs. I just don't see him getting 400 carries next year, especially with this news.

I'm pretty sure the Cowboys' run offense will be better than a 3.74 ypc this season.

 

[Colin Dowling]

It's silly to say that A-Train takes 25-40 ff points from JJ??

No.How many FF points did you give to Jones when Anderson was cut?

Dont hold your breath waiting for an answer. I'm still waiting to here how much Chris Brown was bumped up when the Titans didn't bring in an effiective "capable runner" to spell him.COlin

 

[Clayton Gray]

That doesn't matter unless your '05 league awards points for '04 yardage.

I was speaking to the A-Train/Thomas Jones argument, thus '04 did matter.

Oh.In that case, I don't believe Thomas hurt T. Jones production in '04.

 

[LHUCKS]

I'm pretty sure that counts as taking carries.

No, that counts as coachspeak. Please let us know how many carries A-Train had in week 11.TIA

Oh, we're going to dismiss that as coachspeak

so, basically you are predicting that (a) JJones will get hurt and (b) when JJones gets hurt, he will not be rushed back because ATrain is a capable backup. correct? or what other factors are involved?

I actually believe it is much more simple than that,A) JJ couldn't handle the full load last year and had not one but two injuries

B) Parcells brings in a back that was by most accounts still very effective as a between the tackles type of RB and has proven to be durable.

The writing is on the wall. JJ will lose touches over the course of the year...probably a significant amount.

A) You're wrong. Jones endured the bulk of the work (effectively, I might add) after returning from a freak injury. There was no further injury once he returned and he held up admirably in helping the Cowboys make a last season push for wins.B) No argument here. He brought in an effective backup. Good play by the Cowboys.

THe writing is on the wall. LHUCKS will be wrong again this year about something significant, and he'll go to great lengths to make sure no one understands his point so he simply looks "misinterpretted" rather than "wrong."

"If you can't convince them, confuse them" - Ronald Reagan

Colin

 

[Prime]

Thomas Jones actually goes against your argument as A-Train definitely took carries from him.

He did? You might want to recheck your facts:Week 1: Jones 21/Thomas 3

Week 2: Jones 23/Thomas 5

Week 3: Jones 22/Thomas 2

Week 4: Jones 13/Thomas 0

Week 6: Jones 24/Thomas 1

Week 7: Jones 13/Thomas 5

Week 8: Thomas 25 (Jones hurt)

Week 9: Thomas 28 (Jones hurt)

Week 10: Thomas 29 (Jones hurt)

Week 11: Jones 18/Thomas 0

Week 12: Jones 14/Thomas 3

Week 13: Jones 15/Thomas 15

Week 14: Jones 13/Thomas 0

Week 15: Jones 15/Thomas 6

Week 16: Jones 22/Thomas 0

Week 17: Jones 26/Thomas 0

So let's see, there was only one game the entire season where Thomas took meaningful carries away from Jones. By contrast there were five games where he did not get a single carry and a total of nine games where he had three or less.

It's pretty obvious all Thomas was last season was a backup. Jones was clearly the primary RB and Thomas was no threat to take any carries away from him -- even after Thomas had some good games in relief of the injured Jones.

Care to restate your position?

Uh no...A-Train had 122 carries.Care to restate your's?

Why should I? The numbers I presented clearly discount your point. The bulk of Thomas' carries came in the three games when Jones was hurt. In the games Jones played, Thomas barely got on the field. What exactly about the nine games of those 13 with 3 carries or less did you fail to grasp? Just curious.

So you're saying that Thomas Jones' numbers weren't affected by A-Train's presence last year?

Are you arguing for the sake of argument?He had very little effect on T. Jones carries. It was only when T. Jones was injured that Thomas even got a significant amount of touches.

Your like the guy with three strands of hair at the barbershop. Give it up dude, you've lost the war.

"The War" And you're the guy who has no clue what he's talking about...keep JJ where you had him buddy, I could care less.

Not only did you not get the analogy about you losing the argument on every level and you still continue.

Several people hear seem to be in agreement with the fact that A-Train has a very good chance to eat into JJ's carries.So where did you draft JJ?

Several people HEAR agree with you? Who?I would also like to know what two injuries JJ had? He had the shoulder injury and?

 

[LHUCKS]

It's silly to say that A-Train takes 25-40 ff points from JJ??

No.How many FF points did you give to Jones when Anderson was cut?

Dont hold your breath waiting for an answer. I'm still waiting to here how much Chris Brown was bumped up when the Titans didn't bring in an effiective "capable runner" to spell him.COlin

I'm not starting on the C. Brown argument, but you're basically mischaracterizing my entire argument.

 

[diesel7982]

I'm pretty sure that counts as taking carries.

No, that counts as coachspeak. Please let us know how many carries A-Train had in week 11.TIA

Oh, we're going to dismiss that as coachspeak

Yes it's coach speak. Coach says "both RBs will get carries in week 11.". The OTHER RB gets ZERO carries. What do you call it? It doesn't get much worse than zero carries in a week for a RB.Oh wait, I get it. By carries, Smith meant A-Train would be carrying towels and Gatorade during timeouts. I agree, A-Train will cut into JJ's "carries" this year.

You're missing the point, the carries in week 11 were irrelevant...he had 15 carries in week 13.Little things like 15 carries here and there, or keeping the #1 guy out one extra game is what equates into losing carries.

5 spots in my rankings is about 25-40 ff points...it doesn't take a lot.

Jesus, do you own Julius Jones' stock or something?

This is just silly. Top RBs dont get more than 75-80% of a teams carries in most cases, and only in extreme cases do we see 90%+.Jones isnt going to "lose" any carries to Atrain. The carries that the other Rbs would have gotten(anderson, lee, bickerstaff) will now go to Atrain.

It's silly to say that A-Train takes 25-40 ff points from JJ??

No, its silly to say that JJ would have gotten those points in the first place. Unless you are suggesting Atrain will take more than 20% of Dallas' carries this year.

 

[Clayton Gray]

is it fair to say that ATrain is a nice handcuff?  or do you think it turns into a RBBC where JJones' production goes down each game, i.e. JJones gets 20 total touches and ATrain gets 10?  there is a big difference between cutting into weekly scoring and having an impact on overall rankings for the year.

Remains to be seen to what extent A-Train eats into his numbers...right now I think it's safest to bump JJ down a few spots. I bump him 5 because I don't think he can stay healthy.

So that means yesterday, you thought Jones could stay healthy. Why is he more of a health risk with Thomas on the roster?

No it means that the ball is forced to JJ more without another capable RB on the roster...and injury is only party of the equation here.We have no word from Parcells on how he wants to use A-Train...that seems to be getting lost here.

Having Thomas around will allow Jones to overcome any ailments that he might encounter this season, and that will likely lead to Jones getting slightly fewer touches. Do you agree?Of course that also means he'll be heathier and fresher when he does touch the ball. A healthier and fresher back will be more productive with his touches. Do you agree?

This healthier and fresher version of Jones (with Thomas) will be able to overcome losing a handful of carries and post yardage totals that are greater than (or at least equal to) the totals of the worn down and overused version of Jones (without Thomas). Do you agree?

You're not the Tooth Fairy from the "Red Dragon" book are you?

but I'm guessing it has something to do with "Do you agree?"

 

[LHUCKS]

Thomas Jones actually goes against your argument as A-Train definitely took carries from him.

He did? You might want to recheck your facts:Week 1: Jones 21/Thomas 3

Week 2: Jones 23/Thomas 5

Week 3: Jones 22/Thomas 2

Week 4: Jones 13/Thomas 0

Week 6: Jones 24/Thomas 1

Week 7: Jones 13/Thomas 5

Week 8: Thomas 25 (Jones hurt)

Week 9: Thomas 28 (Jones hurt)

Week 10: Thomas 29 (Jones hurt)

Week 11: Jones 18/Thomas 0

Week 12: Jones 14/Thomas 3

Week 13: Jones 15/Thomas 15

Week 14: Jones 13/Thomas 0

Week 15: Jones 15/Thomas 6

Week 16: Jones 22/Thomas 0

Week 17: Jones 26/Thomas 0

So let's see, there was only one game the entire season where Thomas took meaningful carries away from Jones. By contrast there were five games where he did not get a single carry and a total of nine games where he had three or less.

It's pretty obvious all Thomas was last season was a backup. Jones was clearly the primary RB and Thomas was no threat to take any carries away from him -- even after Thomas had some good games in relief of the injured Jones.

Care to restate your position?

Uh no...A-Train had 122 carries.Care to restate your's?

Why should I? The numbers I presented clearly discount your point. The bulk of Thomas' carries came in the three games when Jones was hurt. In the games Jones played, Thomas barely got on the field. What exactly about the nine games of those 13 with 3 carries or less did you fail to grasp? Just curious.

So you're saying that Thomas Jones' numbers weren't affected by A-Train's presence last year?

Are you arguing for the sake of argument?He had very little effect on T. Jones carries. It was only when T. Jones was injured that Thomas even got a significant amount of touches.

Your like the guy with three strands of hair at the barbershop. Give it up dude, you've lost the war.

"The War" And you're the guy who has no clue what he's talking about...keep JJ where you had him buddy, I could care less.

Not only did you not get the analogy about you losing the argument on every level and you still continue.

Several people hear seem to be in agreement with the fact that A-Train has a very good chance to eat into JJ's carries.So where did you draft JJ?

Several people HEAR agree with you? Who?I would also like to know what two injuries JJ had? He had the shoulder injury and?

Read the thread angry boy.

 

[Clayton Gray]

It's silly to say that A-Train takes 25-40 ff points from JJ??

No.How many FF points did you give to Jones when Anderson was cut?

Dont hold your breath waiting for an answer. I'm still waiting to here how much Chris Brown was bumped up when the Titans didn't bring in an effiective "capable runner" to spell him.COlin

I'm not starting on the C. Brown argument, but you're basically mischaracterizing my entire argument.

How many FF points did you give to Jones when Anderson was cut?

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Okay it's this simple:Either you think JJ is good enough to keep A-Train off the field or he isn't. If you are the latter, it doesn't matter If you are the former, you weren't high on him to begin with, so bumping him down a few spots is irrelevant.Overall effect this has is getting JJ later in the 2nd which I consider a fair deal.

 

[bostonfred]

Better than I thought.  Still, it took 100 carries to get those 374 yards and 2 TDs.  I just don't see him getting 400 carries next year, especially with this news.

I'm pretty sure the Cowboys' run offense will be better than a 3.74 ypc this season.

I agree. I'm not sure how much of it Julius Jones will get, but I agree that Dallas will run the ball a ton. I see four possibilities playing out that worry me a little about Jones:

- He gets hurt again

- His end of season performance was more due to fresh left (see also: Thomas, A)

- Jones has his carries cut back to a more normal load (as opposed to his 439 carry pace from last year), or

- RBBC

- Another back wins the job

I'm not predicting any one of them with any degree of certainty, but I think Jones has a little more risk than other backs. He'll be further down my list, and if I miss out on him, so be it.

 

[Gopher State]

Great signing by Dallas. Bad for FF as it very well could end up be RBBC in big D. But as a Cowboy fan you got to love it.

 

[Colin Dowling]

It's silly to say that A-Train takes 25-40 ff points from JJ??

No.How many FF points did you give to Jones when Anderson was cut?

Dont hold your breath waiting for an answer. I'm still waiting to here how much Chris Brown was bumped up when the Titans didn't bring in an effiective "capable runner" to spell him.COlin

I'm not starting on the C. Brown argument, but you're basically mischaracterizing my entire argument.

So, am I to assume you aren't going to answer the question?

 

[LHUCKS]

I'm pretty sure that counts as taking carries.

No, that counts as coachspeak. Please let us know how many carries A-Train had in week 11.TIA

Oh, we're going to dismiss that as coachspeak

so, basically you are predicting that (a) JJones will get hurt and (b) when JJones gets hurt, he will not be rushed back because ATrain is a capable backup. correct? or what other factors are involved?

I actually believe it is much more simple than that,A) JJ couldn't handle the full load last year and had not one but two injuries

B) Parcells brings in a back that was by most accounts still very effective as a between the tackles type of RB and has proven to be durable.

The writing is on the wall. JJ will lose touches over the course of the year...probably a significant amount.

A) You're wrong. Jones endured the bulk of the work (effectively, I might add) after returning from a freak injury. There was no further injury once he returned and he held up admirably in helping the Cowboys make a last season push for wins.B) No argument here. He brought in an effective backup. Good play by the Cowboys.

THe writing is on the wall. LHUCKS will be wrong again this year about something significant, and he'll go to great lengths to make sure no one understands his point so he simply looks "misinterpretted" rather than "wrong."

"If you can't convince them, confuse them" - Ronald Reagan

Colin

Actually, Futility & Prime & Dowling =

News: The team is hopeful Jones (ribs) will be able to make his debut in Week 2 against the Browns. Analysis: Jones was inactive for the opener, as head coach Bill Parcells felt he did not get enough time in practice due to the injury. Keep him reserved until he is able to play at least one game to prove his health.

Jones, Julius RB DAL

News: According to reports, Jones (chest) won't play in Week 1. 

This entire thread is unbelievable. LOL @ all the angry JJ owners...exact same phenomenon as last year when I said Chris Brown couldn't stay healthy(which was accurate)...and then the angry Chrissy mob ensued. I swear, it's like nobody wants to hear pessimistic views about players...unbelievable.Listen fellas, I think he loses touches to A-Train over the course of a season to the tune of about 25-40 ff points...either you agree with it or you don't.

The End.

 

[diesel7982]

I'm pretty sure that counts as taking carries.

No, that counts as coachspeak. Please let us know how many carries A-Train had in week 11.TIA

Oh, we're going to dismiss that as coachspeak

so, basically you are predicting that (a) JJones will get hurt and (b) when JJones gets hurt, he will not be rushed back because ATrain is a capable backup. correct? or what other factors are involved?

I actually believe it is much more simple than that,A) JJ couldn't handle the full load last year and had not one but two injuries

B) Parcells brings in a back that was by most accounts still very effective as a between the tackles type of RB and has proven to be durable.

The writing is on the wall. JJ will lose touches over the course of the year...probably a significant amount.

A) You're wrong. Jones endured the bulk of the work (effectively, I might add) after returning from a freak injury. There was no further injury once he returned and he held up admirably in helping the Cowboys make a last season push for wins.B) No argument here. He brought in an effective backup. Good play by the Cowboys.

THe writing is on the wall. LHUCKS will be wrong again this year about something significant, and he'll go to great lengths to make sure no one understands his point so he simply looks "misinterpretted" rather than "wrong."

"If you can't convince them, confuse them" - Ronald Reagan

Colin

Actually, Futility & Prime & Dowling =

News: The team is hopeful Jones (ribs) will be able to make his debut in Week 2 against the Browns. Analysis: Jones was inactive for the opener, as head coach Bill Parcells felt he did not get enough time in practice due to the injury. Keep him reserved until he is able to play at least one game to prove his health.

Jones, Julius RB DAL

News: According to reports, Jones (chest) won't play in Week 1. 

This entire thread is unbelievable. LOL @ all the angry JJ owners...exact same phenomenon as last year when I said Chris Brown couldn't stay healthy...and then the angry Chrissy mob ensued. I swear, it's like nobody wants to hear pessimistic views about players...unbelievable.Listen fellas, I think he loses touches to A-Train over the course of a season...either you agree with it or you don't.

The End.

Have you responded to any of the questions about what # of carries you expected JJ to get pre-Atrain vs. what you expect post-Atrain?

 

[FunkyPlutos]

Thomas Jones actually goes against your argument as A-Train definitely took carries from him.

He did? You might want to recheck your facts:Week 1: Jones 21/Thomas 3

Week 2: Jones 23/Thomas 5

Week 3: Jones 22/Thomas 2

Week 4: Jones 13/Thomas 0

Week 6: Jones 24/Thomas 1

Week 7: Jones 13/Thomas 5

Week 8: Thomas 25 (Jones hurt)

Week 9: Thomas 28 (Jones hurt)

Week 10: Thomas 29 (Jones hurt)

Week 11: Jones 18/Thomas 0

Week 12: Jones 14/Thomas 3

Week 13: Jones 15/Thomas 15

Week 14: Jones 13/Thomas 0

Week 15: Jones 15/Thomas 6

Week 16: Jones 22/Thomas 0

Week 17: Jones 26/Thomas 0

So let's see, there was only one game the entire season where Thomas took meaningful carries away from Jones. By contrast there were five games where he did not get a single carry and a total of nine games where he had three or less.

It's pretty obvious all Thomas was last season was a backup. Jones was clearly the primary RB and Thomas was no threat to take any carries away from him -- even after Thomas had some good games in relief of the injured Jones.

Care to restate your position?

Hate to get in the middle of all this, but just stating a fact here...the games in which Atrain got more (or equal) carries as Thomas Jones (weeks #8, 9, 10, & 13), the Bears were 4-0. This carries no fantasy implications - I understand that, but I am an Anthony Thomas fan who thinks he has gotten a raw deal thus far in his career and am hoping he gets a fair shot to show what he can do!

 

[Prime]

Um, can you really use the Owned smiley yourself? Especially since you don't know the difference between hear and here?I can admit to being wrong. I did forget that Jones was inactive the first few games. I stand corrected about that.As far as your bizarre speculation that A. Thomas with his one year contract is going to eat away at JJ carries, then I have yet to see any proof of this.

 

[LHUCKS]

Have you responded to any of the questions about what # of carries you expected JJ to get pre-Atrain vs. what you expect post-Atrain?

I think he definitley gets less than what he got during his big number stretch.I will not project carries until I hear more from the Big Tuna on how he expects it to play out.

 

[LHUCKS]

Um, can you really use the Owned smiley yourself? Especially since you don't know the difference between hear and here?

I can admit to being wrong. I did forget that Jones was inactive the first few games. I stand corrected about that.

As far as your bizarre speculation that A. Thomas with his one year contract is going to eat away at JJ carries, then I have yet to see any proof of this.

Nice, come back with the "hear" vs. "here" argument...you're exactly right, I missed the second grade Maybe next time I'll proofread every post I make on this board

I'm done responding to your childish posts...you've been put on block, so don't bother posting if it's intended for me because I wont see it.

 

[diesel7982]

Have you responded to any of the questions about what # of carries you expected JJ to get pre-Atrain vs. what you expect post-Atrain?

I think he definitley gets less than what he got during his big number stretch.I will not project carries until I hear more from the Big Tuna on how he expects it to play out.

So, you think he'll have less than 440 carries this season? Without the Atrain signing would you have considered that a realistic number?What your argument sounds like is that, "JJ was on pace to carry the ball 439 times last year, and he'll definitely carry less than that...because of Atrain."

If you think JJ would have gotten less than 440 this year even without the signing of Atrain, I dont get what your argument is.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Im all for a negative view of things. Problem is, your posting is rooted in an amorphous blob of "facts" that are used to further your position while clearly ignoring people who use similarly reliable facts to refute you. Sometimes, they even ask you direct questions, which you ignore and/or refuse to answer. Its sort of sad really. Some people hate my writing style and my opinion on things, but no one can ever accuse me of being a waffler who doesn't respond to the issue at hand. You, on the other hand...(Now, I look forward to another vague response. )COlin

 

[Clayton Gray]

Have you responded to any of the questions about what # of carries you expected JJ to get pre-Atrain vs. what you expect post-Atrain?

I think he definitley gets less than what he got during his big number stretch.I will not project carries until I hear more from the Big Tuna on how he expects it to play out.

Then how can you slash 25-40 FF points before hearing from Parcells?BTW, I'm guessing you didn't add any FF points to Jones when Anderson was cut.

That's cool. Actually, that could be understandable. It could easily be argued that losing Anderson would make the Cowboys worse as a team so the FF points he was going to earn evaporated. Of course that logic wouldn't mesh with the logic of subtracting FF points from Jones with the Thomas siging.

 

[LHUCKS]

Have you responded to any of the questions about what # of carries you expected JJ to get pre-Atrain vs. what you expect post-Atrain?

I think he definitley gets less than what he got during his big number stretch.I will not project carries until I hear more from the Big Tuna on how he expects it to play out.

So, you think he'll have less than 440 carries this season? Without the Atrain signing would you have considered that a realistic number?What your argument sounds like is that, "JJ was on pace to carry the ball 439 times last year, and he'll definitely carry less than that...because of Atrain."

If you think JJ would have gotten less than 440 this year even without the signing of Atrain, I dont get what your argument is.

I obviously don't think he'll come close to that, I probably should have said "significantly less."As for specific projections, I project a little differently than most. I project a best case scenario and then deduce from that number by incorporating a risk factor...it is too early to be specific. But if I had to guess, adding A-Train takes away about 25-40 ff points with all factors considered.

 

[LHUCKS]

Im all for a negative view of things. Problem is, your posting is rooted in an amorphous blob of "facts" that are used to further your position while clearly ignoring people who use similarly reliable facts to refute you. Sometimes, they even ask you direct questions, which you ignore and/or refuse to answer.

Its sort of sad really. Some people hate my writing style and my opinion on things, but no one can ever accuse me of being a waffler who doesn't respond to the issue at hand. You, on the other hand...

(Now, I look forward to another vague response. )

COlin

I haven't ignored one direct question, as a matter of fact I pointed out to you that JJ indeed had a second injury last year.What issue have I not responded to??????

Just ask the direct question. I'm not going anywhere.

 

[bostonfred]

Have you responded to any of the questions about what # of carries you expected JJ to get pre-Atrain vs. what you expect post-Atrain?

I think he definitley gets less than what he got during his big number stretch.I will not project carries until I hear more from the Big Tuna on how he expects it to play out.

So, you think he'll have less than 440 carries this season? Without the Atrain signing would you have considered that a realistic number?What your argument sounds like is that, "JJ was on pace to carry the ball 439 times last year, and he'll definitely carry less than that...because of Atrain."

If you think JJ would have gotten less than 440 this year even without the signing of Atrain, I dont get what your argument is.

There's more risk from Thomas and Barber than there was from the rookie alone. And to the Anderson crowd, both Thomas and the rook have a better chance of outright unseating Jones, eating into his carries, or succeeding if Jones gets injured, than Richie Anderson.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Im all for a negative view of things. Problem is, your posting is rooted in an amorphous blob of "facts" that are used to further your position while clearly ignoring people who use similarly reliable facts to refute you.  Sometimes, they even ask you direct questions, which you ignore and/or refuse to answer. 

Its sort of sad really.  Some people hate my writing style and my opinion on things, but no one can ever accuse me of being a waffler who doesn't respond to the issue at hand.  You, on the other hand...

(Now, I look forward to another vague response.  )

COlin

I haven't ignored one direct question, as a matter of fact I pointed out to you that JJ indeed had a second injury last year.What issue have I not responded to??????

Just ask the direct question. I'm not going anywhere.

1. How much did you bump up Jones when Ritchie Anderson was cut? (Gray asked an hour ago)2. How much did you bump up Chris Brown now that the Titans have gotten thrugh the draft without a "capable runner" behind him?

COli

 

[Clayton Gray]

This entire thread is unbelievable. LOL @ all the angry JJ owners.

Just to clarify, I haven't drafted in any league and do not participate in a dynasty so I'm obviously not a Jones owner.

 

[LHUCKS]

Then how can you slash 25-40 FF points before hearing from Parcells?

It's a ballpark figure...but I suspect he loses 6 touches a game or so than what I originally had him slated for.

BTW, I'm guessing you didn't add any FF points to Jones when Anderson was cut.

Well there is a lot to consider, we still haven't taken into account they drafted a RB either. Rashard Lee etc. etc.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

But if I had to guess, adding A-Train takes away about 25-40 ff points with all factors considered.

Well that's good. Anderson got 50 last year so someone had to pick up that slack.

 

[LHUCKS]

This entire thread is unbelievable.  LOL @ all the angry JJ owners.

Just to clarify, I haven't drafted in any league and do not participate in a dynasty so I'm obviously not a Jones owner.

It wasn't directed at you and I appreciate your civility.

 

[bostonfred]

Have you responded to any of the questions about what # of carries you expected JJ to get pre-Atrain vs. what you expect post-Atrain?

I think he definitley gets less than what he got during his big number stretch.I will not project carries until I hear more from the Big Tuna on how he expects it to play out.

Then how can you slash 25-40 FF points before hearing from Parcells?BTW, I'm guessing you didn't add any FF points to Jones when Anderson was cut.

That's cool. Actually, that could be understandable. It could easily be argued that losing Anderson would make the Cowboys worse as a team so the FF points he was going to earn evaporated. Of course that logic wouldn't mesh with the logic of subtracting FF points from Jones with the Thomas siging.

It does from an expected value perspective. If you think there's a greater chance of many bad things happening, but no greater chance of a good thing, then you would say his expected value decreased. If you think that Anderson's plays would largely have been replaced by the rookie, or another RB on the roster, and that Jones was never going to get any more carries because their fullback left, it's even more understandable.

 

[LHUCKS]

Have you responded to any of the questions about what # of carries you expected JJ to get pre-Atrain vs. what you expect post-Atrain?

I think he definitley gets less than what he got during his big number stretch.I will not project carries until I hear more from the Big Tuna on how he expects it to play out.

So, you think he'll have less than 440 carries this season? Without the Atrain signing would you have considered that a realistic number?What your argument sounds like is that, "JJ was on pace to carry the ball 439 times last year, and he'll definitely carry less than that...because of Atrain."

If you think JJ would have gotten less than 440 this year even without the signing of Atrain, I dont get what your argument is.

There's more risk from Thomas and Barber than there was from the rookie alone. And to the Anderson crowd, both Thomas and the rook have a better chance of outright unseating Jones, eating into his carries, or succeeding if Jones gets injured, than Richie Anderson.

 

[LHUCKS]

But if I had to guess, adding A-Train takes away about 25-40 ff points with all factors considered.

Well that's good. Anderson got 50 last year so someone had to pick up that slack.

Rashard Lee, Rookie

 

[diesel7982]

Then how can you slash 25-40 FF points before hearing from Parcells?

It's a ballpark figure...but I suspect he loses 6 touches a game or so than what I originally had him slated for.

BTW, I'm guessing you didn't add any FF points to Jones when Anderson was cut.

Well there is a lot to consider, we still haven't taken into account they drafted a RB either. Rashard Lee etc. etc.

Didnt you just say you didnt have him "slated" for anything?

 

[LHUCKS]

Just got this from NFL.com

"Anthony will provide an excellent compliment to the other backs we have on the roster," said Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones. "He gives us depth and experience and makes. His addition will make us take a long hard look at carrying four backs on the roster in the fall."

I'm pretty sure "compliment" isn't a synonym for backup.

 

[LHUCKS]

Then how can you slash 25-40 FF points before hearing from Parcells?

It's a ballpark figure...but I suspect he loses 6 touches a game or so than what I originally had him slated for.

BTW, I'm guessing you didn't add any FF points to Jones when Anderson was cut.

Well there is a lot to consider, we still haven't taken into account they drafted a RB either. Rashard Lee etc. etc.

Didnt you just say you didnt have him "slated" for anything?

Nothing specific...like I said before this is ballpark.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Im all for a negative view of things. Problem is, your posting is rooted in an amorphous blob of "facts" that are used to further your position while clearly ignoring people who use similarly reliable facts to refute you.  Sometimes, they even ask you direct questions, which you ignore and/or refuse to answer. 

Its sort of sad really.  Some people hate my writing style and my opinion on things, but no one can ever accuse me of being a waffler who doesn't respond to the issue at hand.   You, on the other hand...

(Now, I look forward to another vague response.  )

COlin

I haven't ignored one direct question, as a matter of fact I pointed out to you that JJ indeed had a second injury last year.What issue have I not responded to??????

Just ask the direct question. I'm not going anywhere.

1. How much did you bump up Jones when Ritchie Anderson was cut? (Gray asked an hour ago)2. How much did you bump up Chris Brown now that the Titans have gotten thrugh the draft without a "capable runner" behind him?

COli

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Just got this from NFL.com

"Anthony will provide an excellent compliment to the other backs we have on the roster," said Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones. "He gives us depth and experience and makes. His addition will make us take a long hard look at carrying four backs on the roster in the fall."

I'm pretty sure "compliment" isn't a synonym for backup.

Oh great, we went from coach speak to owner speak. That's what is said 99% of the time about backups. They make a good "compliment" IE when our main guy is tired or we don't want to give him one more carry in the 4th quarter on 3rd and short with the game well in hand, we'll bring in our "compliment".Predict on what coaches DO, not what they say. Parcells wants his main guy to be able to handle a 350+ carry workload. More than enough carries to be a top fantasy back. You either think JJ is good enough for that or he isn't. A-Train is irrelevant to the process.

 

[LHUCKS]

Just got this from NFL.com

"Anthony will provide an excellent compliment to the other backs we have on the roster," said Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones. "He gives us depth and experience and makes. His addition will make us take a long hard look at carrying four backs on the roster in the fall."

I'm pretty sure "compliment" isn't a synonym for backup.

Oh great, we went from coach speak to owner speak. That's what is said 99% of the time about backups. They make a good "compliment" IE when our main guy is tired or we don't want to give him one more carry in the 4th quarter on 3rd and short with the game well in hand, we'll bring in our "compliment".

He could have very easily said backup.

 

[LHUCKS]

Just got this from NFL.com

"Anthony will provide an excellent compliment to the other backs we have on the roster," said Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones. "He gives us depth and experience and makes. His addition will make us take a long hard look at carrying four backs on the roster in the fall."

I'm pretty sure "compliment" isn't a synonym for backup.

Oh great, we went from coach speak to owner speak. That's what is said 99% of the time about backups. They make a good "compliment" IE when our main guy is tired or we don't want to give him one more carry in the 4th quarter on 3rd and short with the game well in hand, we'll bring in our "compliment".Predict on what coaches DO, not what they say. Parcells wants his main guy to be able to handle a 350+ carry workload. More than enough carries to be a top fantasy back. You either think JJ is good enough for that or he isn't. A-Train is irrelevant to the process.

OK, so you dismiss everything owners and coaches say. Good luck to you.

 

[diesel7982]

Just got this from NFL.com

"Anthony will provide an excellent compliment to the other backs we have on the roster," said Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones. "He gives us depth and experience and makes. His addition will make us take a long hard look at carrying four backs on the roster in the fall."

I'm pretty sure "compliment" isn't a synonym for backup.

Oh great, we went from coach speak to owner speak. That's what is said 99% of the time about backups. They make a good "compliment" IE when our main guy is tired or we don't want to give him one more carry in the 4th quarter on 3rd and short with the game well in hand, we'll bring in our "compliment".

He could have very easily said backup.

He could have...or he could have said compliment to save Atrain's ego and meant the same thing.

 

[LHUCKS]

Im all for a negative view of things. Problem is, your posting is rooted in an amorphous blob of "facts" that are used to further your position while clearly ignoring people who use similarly reliable facts to refute you.  Sometimes, they even ask you direct questions, which you ignore and/or refuse to answer. 

Its sort of sad really.  Some people hate my writing style and my opinion on things, but no one can ever accuse me of being a waffler who doesn't respond to the issue at hand.   You, on the other hand...

(Now, I look forward to another vague response.  )

COlin

I haven't ignored one direct question, as a matter of fact I pointed out to you that JJ indeed had a second injury last year.What issue have I not responded to??????

Just ask the direct question. I'm not going anywhere.

1. How much did you bump up Jones when Ritchie Anderson was cut? (Gray asked an hour ago)2. How much did you bump up Chris Brown now that the Titans have gotten thrugh the draft without a "capable runner" behind him?

COli

that's my favorite smileyAnyhow,

1) To be honest I did bump up JJ when Anderson got cut. I don't recall exactly but it was a decent chunk.

2) I don't get your second point...who's the cabable runner?

 

[Da Guru]

5 pages already on a backup RB signing?Thre must be some JJ owners that are worried!A-Train=OJ Anderson!The TUNA loves big bruising backs in the second half of games. Let JJ and Marion Barber loosen up the D early and pound the A-Train in the second half!

 

[LHUCKS]

Just got this from NFL.com

"Anthony will provide an excellent compliment to the other backs we have on the roster," said Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones. "He gives us depth and experience and makes. His addition will make us take a long hard look at carrying four backs on the roster in the fall."

I'm pretty sure "compliment" isn't a synonym for backup.

Oh great, we went from coach speak to owner speak. That's what is said 99% of the time about backups. They make a good "compliment" IE when our main guy is tired or we don't want to give him one more carry in the 4th quarter on 3rd and short with the game well in hand, we'll bring in our "compliment".

He could have very easily said backup.

He could have...or he could have said compliment to save Atrain's ego and meant the same thing.

Well I doubt it, but if that's how you want to read into it more power to you.

 

[LHUCKS]

5 pages already on a backup RB signing?

Thre must be some JJ owners that are worried!

A-Train=OJ Anderson!

The TUNA loves big bruising backs in the second half of games. Let JJ and Marion Barber loosen up the D early and pound the A-Train in the second half!

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Just got this from NFL.com

"Anthony will provide an excellent compliment to the other backs we have on the roster," said Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones. "He gives us depth and experience and makes. His addition will make us take a long hard look at carrying four backs on the roster in the fall."

I'm pretty sure "compliment" isn't a synonym for backup.

Oh great, we went from coach speak to owner speak. That's what is said 99% of the time about backups. They make a good "compliment" IE when our main guy is tired or we don't want to give him one more carry in the 4th quarter on 3rd and short with the game well in hand, we'll bring in our "compliment".

He could have very easily said backup.

If i wasn't so lazy and didn't already know better, I'd post up tons of quotes of coaching staff talking about guys who were backups without using the word backup. 99% of the time they try to say nice (read: elusive) things about their players. They always look good in practice, they look like they can challenge xyz for a starter's role, they are a good compliment, etc etc.Someone care to dig up what Jerry Jones said about Eddie George last year?