ACLU to fight religious harrassment in rural Louisiana school (1 Viewer)

[The Commish]

Unfortunately, Carolina Hustler is representative of far too many conservatives these days. A lawyer tells them that having a religious billboard on school grounds defies the Constitution, and they challenge the lawyer. A scientist tells them that global warming is indeed happening, and the scientist has to be full of ####. A statistician attempts to prove that Obama has a 90% chance of winning the election against Romney, and they attack the statistician.

They live in their own little world, in which facts don't really have a place unless they already fit with what they want to believe.

I hope you don't live in a glass house

 

[jon_mx]

Unfortunately, Carolina Hustler is representative of far too many conservatives these days. A lawyer tells them that having a religious billboard on school grounds defies the Constitution, and they challenge the lawyer. A scientist tells them that global warming is indeed happening, and the scientist has to be full of ####. A statistician attempts to prove that Obama has a 90% chance of winning the election against Romney, and they attack the statistician.

They live in their own little world, in which facts don't really have a place unless they already fit with what they want to believe.

I could say the same thing about Tim after watching MSNBC. He takes it all in hook, line and sinker every time.

 

[fatness]

http://www.arklatexhomepage.com/story/d/story/sabine-parish-school-may-no-longer-hold-official-p/27015/Ce4DTAUhV0mvRsx1j01kTg

From that article:

Under the consent decree, the school board must end official prayers during class and school events, refrain from disparaging any particular faith, and prohibit staff from teaching creationism and other biblical doctrine as fact. The consent decree also protects students’ rights to express their faith and pray privately and of their own volition. To ensure that the consent decree is carried out properly and that the constitutional violations do not recur, the board will also conduct in-service training for staff on First Amendment issues and the effects of religious discrimination on students.

 

[Henry Ford]

Wow, what a surprising turn of events. They have to stop what they're doing and retrain their whole staff on what a State actor is allowed to do with respect to religion?

 

[Zow]

Zow, earlier you painted yourself as a civil rights lawyer.. And just above you called yourself a criminal lawyer.. So which is it?

No, I did. I do civil rights work. I do lots of other work, too, but I file discrimination complaints.

I can't decide how to feel about the fact that he thinks I'm Zow.

Update?

 

[fatness]

Wow, what a surprising turn of events. They have to stop what they're doing and retrain their whole staff on what a State actor is allowed to do with respect to religion?

That training will probably end up being hilarious, with parent groups and community groups and religious groups opposing it. As un-American no doubt.

 

[matuski]

http://www.arklatexhomepage.com/story/d/story/sabine-parish-school-may-no-longer-hold-official-p/27015/Ce4DTAUhV0mvRsx1j01kTg

From that article:

Under the consent decree, the school board must end official prayers during class and school events, refrain from disparaging any particular faith, and prohibit staff from teaching creationism and other biblical doctrine as fact. The consent decree also protects students’ rights to express their faith and pray privately and of their own volition. To ensure that the consent decree is carried out properly and that the constitutional violations do not recur, the board will also conduct in-service training for staff on First Amendment issues and the effects of religious discrimination on students.

Progress.

 

[Henry Ford]

Wow, what a surprising turn of events. They have to stop what they're doing and retrain their whole staff on what a State actor is allowed to do with respect to religion?

That training will probably end up being hilarious, with parent groups and community groups and religious groups opposing it. As un-American no doubt.

"I know I can't say only Baptists go to Heaven, but everyone's a Christian, right? I can say Jesus is the only way to eternal life?"

 

[fatness]

Wow, what a surprising turn of events. They have to stop what they're doing and retrain their whole staff on what a State actor is allowed to do with respect to religion?

That training will probably end up being hilarious, with parent groups and community groups and religious groups opposing it. As un-American no doubt.

"I know I can't say only Baptists go to Heaven, but everyone's a Christian, right? I can say Jesus is the only way to eternal life?"

People will get elected opposing this retraining.

 

[Johnny Rock]

Good to see the law enforced; and they settled pretty quickly too which is nice. Glad the family got some justice. Ridiculous that it was this prevalent.

 

[Henry Ford]

Wow, what a surprising turn of events. They have to stop what they're doing and retrain their whole staff on what a State actor is allowed to do with respect to religion?

That training will probably end up being hilarious, with parent groups and community groups and religious groups opposing it. As un-American no doubt.

"I know I can't say only Baptists go to Heaven, but everyone's a Christian, right? I can say Jesus is the only way to eternal life?"

People will get elected opposing this retraining.

Preaching to the choir. I live where people vote for guys like David Vitter.

 

[timschochet]

Wow, what a surprising turn of events. They have to stop what they're doing and retrain their whole staff on what a State actor is allowed to do with respect to religion?

That training will probably end up being hilarious, with parent groups and community groups and religious groups opposing it. As un-American no doubt.

"I know I can't say only Baptists go to Heaven, but everyone's a Christian, right? I can say Jesus is the only way to eternal life?"

Wait- what about the Mormons?

 

[Todd Andrews]

Wow, what a surprising turn of events. They have to stop what they're doing and retrain their whole staff on what a State actor is allowed to do with respect to religion?

That training will probably end up being hilarious, with parent groups and community groups and religious groups opposing it. As un-American no doubt.

"I know I can't say only Baptists go to Heaven, but everyone's a Christian, right? I can say Jesus is the only way to eternal life?"

Wait- what about the Mormons?

They arent Christians.

 

[Henry Ford]

In case anyone wants to read the entire Consent Order:

https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/assets/31_consent_decree_and_order.pdf

Injunctive relief, $40,000.00 in fees and costs, $4,000 for the cost of going to another school during all of this, busing for the future so the kid can keep going to the new school, and $1.00 in nominal damages each the plaintiffs.

Cost to settle:

$44,005.00, plus stopping what they're doing and retraining their staff. Seems fair.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

It still surprises me every time I read about some school somewhere in America pulling #### like this...in the 21st Century. I know it shouldn't but it does.

ETA: I am neither a criminal lawyer nor a civil rights lawyer.

 

[Henry Ford]

Zow, earlier you painted yourself as a civil rights lawyer.. And just above you called yourself a criminal lawyer.. So which is it?

No, I did. I do civil rights work. I do lots of other work, too, but I file discrimination complaints.

I can't decide how to feel about the fact that he thinks I'm Zow.

Update?

I've decided how I feel.

 

[Banger]

It still surprises me every time I read about some school somewhere in America pulling #### like this...in the 21st Century. I know it shouldn't but it does.

ETA: I am neither a criminal lawyer nor a civil rights lawyer.

it's Louisianna...it's like another country in certain places.

 

[Zow]

Zow, earlier you painted yourself as a civil rights lawyer.. And just above you called yourself a criminal lawyer.. So which is it?

No, I did. I do civil rights work. I do lots of other work, too, but I file discrimination complaints.

I can't decide how to feel about the fact that he thinks I'm Zow.

Update?

I've decided how I feel.

 

[SWC]

In case anyone wants to read the entire Consent Order:

https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/assets/31_consent_decree_and_order.pdf

Injunctive relief, $40,000.00 in fees and costs, $4,000 for the cost of going to another school during all of this, busing for the future so the kid can keep going to the new school, and $1.00 in nominal damages each the plaintiffs.

Cost to settle:

$44,005.00, plus stopping what they're doing and retraining their staff. Seems fair.

hey brohan they probably paid there legal guys a bunch of money and i know you and some other guys are lawyers so how much do you think the shcools attorneys would get on something like this one thanks brohans take that to the bank

 

[The Commish]

Wow, what a surprising turn of events. They have to stop what they're doing and retrain their whole staff on what a State actor is allowed to do with respect to religion?

Shocking isn't it?

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

It still surprises me every time I read about some school somewhere in America pulling #### like this...in the 21st Century. I know it shouldn't but it does.

ETA: I am neither a criminal lawyer nor a civil rights lawyer.

When civil right violations produce largely inchoate damages, there isn't a strong disincentive. In many cases, there won't even be $40,000 in damages. Just the attorneys' fees. It seems pretty low risk to do what you want and just agree to a consent decree when someone is serious enough to file suit.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

It still surprises me every time I read about some school somewhere in America pulling #### like this...in the 21st Century. I know it shouldn't but it does.

ETA: I am neither a criminal lawyer nor a civil rights lawyer.

When civil right violations produce largely inchoate damages, there isn't a strong disincentive. In many cases, there won't even be $40,000 in damages. Just the attorneys' fees. It seems pretty low risk to do what you want and just agree to a consent decree when someone is serious enough to file suit.

Link

 

[Henry Ford]

In case anyone wants to read the entire Consent Order:

https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/assets/31_consent_decree_and_order.pdf

Injunctive relief, $40,000.00 in fees and costs, $4,000 for the cost of going to another school during all of this, busing for the future so the kid can keep going to the new school, and $1.00 in nominal damages each the plaintiffs.

Cost to settle:

$44,005.00, plus stopping what they're doing and retraining their staff. Seems fair.

hey brohan they probably paid there legal guys a bunch of money and i know you and some other guys are lawyers so how much do you think the shcools attorneys would get on something like this one thanks brohans take that to the bank

Roughly one bucket-full of cash.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

What is the exchange rate these days for brohans-to-scrilla?

 

[SWC]

In case anyone wants to read the entire Consent Order:

https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/assets/31_consent_decree_and_order.pdf

Injunctive relief, $40,000.00 in fees and costs, $4,000 for the cost of going to another school during all of this, busing for the future so the kid can keep going to the new school, and $1.00 in nominal damages each the plaintiffs.

Cost to settle:

$44,005.00, plus stopping what they're doing and retraining their staff. Seems fair.

hey brohan they probably paid there legal guys a bunch of money and i know you and some other guys are lawyers so how much do you think the shcools attorneys would get on something like this one thanks brohans take that to the bank

Roughly one bucket-full of cash.

fine let me ask it thsi way brohan more or less than fully restored 75 charger take that to the bank bromigo and thank you for your response actually i just want to know if the laywers charged probably as more or much than the settlement amount if you get what i am laying down thank you

 

[Henry Ford]

In case anyone wants to read the entire Consent Order:

https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/assets/31_consent_decree_and_order.pdf

Injunctive relief, $40,000.00 in fees and costs, $4,000 for the cost of going to another school during all of this, busing for the future so the kid can keep going to the new school, and $1.00 in nominal damages each the plaintiffs.

Cost to settle:

$44,005.00, plus stopping what they're doing and retraining their staff. Seems fair.

hey brohan they probably paid there legal guys a bunch of money and i know you and some other guys are lawyers so how much do you think the shcools attorneys would get on something like this one thanks brohans take that to the bank

Roughly one bucket-full of cash.

fine let me ask it thsi way brohan more or less than fully restored 75 charger take that to the bank bromigo and thank you for your response actually i just want to know if the laywers charged probably as more or much than the settlement amount if you get what i am laying down thank you

Whose lawyers? The agreement gave $40,000 in legal fees and costs to the plaintiffs. I don't know what the defense attorneys made.

 

[SWC]

i mean the schools attorneys i am wondering how much you law guys think that they would have gotten paid to work on this mess because it seems to me that the taxpayers down there who are going to foot the bill for the laywers should be pretty damned mad at the school and its leaders for the payout plus whatever they paid attorneys and i am just wondering what the total number is that will hit the tax payers i just think it is crazy that the people that cost the taxpayers all that cashola will get to keep there jobs that is all i am saying brohan take that to the bank

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Oh cmon. A fully restored 75 Charger is like a freakin Rolls Royce in rural Louisiana.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

i mean the schools attorneys i am wondering how much you law guys think that they would have gotten paid to work on this mess because it seems to me that the taxpayers down there who are going to foot the bill for the laywers should be pretty damned mad at the school and its leaders for the payout plus whatever they paid attorneys and i am just wondering what the total number is that will hit the tax payers i just think it is crazy that the people that cost the taxpayers all that cashola will get to keep there jobs that is all i am saying brohan take that to the bank

I doubt they billed more than the plaintiff's attorneys. The plaintiff had to bill for producing a complaint and negotiating a consent decree. The defense only had to do the latter. Maybe they filed an answer, but that's a lot less work than drafting a complaint.

 

[Henry Ford]

More than a 1975 Charger, I'd imagine. That year sucked.

 

[Henry Ford]

i mean the schools attorneys i am wondering how much you law guys think that they would have gotten paid to work on this mess because it seems to me that the taxpayers down there who are going to foot the bill for the laywers should be pretty damned mad at the school and its leaders for the payout plus whatever they paid attorneys and i am just wondering what the total number is that will hit the tax payers i just think it is crazy that the people that cost the taxpayers all that cashola will get to keep there jobs that is all i am saying brohan take that to the bank

I doubt they billed more than the plaintiff's attorneys. The plaintiff's had to bill for producing a complaint and negotiating a consent decree. The defense only had to do the latter. Maybe they filed an answer, but that's a lot less work than drafting a complaint.

Discovery would have been ridiculous, I bet.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

i mean the schools attorneys i am wondering how much you law guys think that they would have gotten paid to work on this mess because it seems to me that the taxpayers down there who are going to foot the bill for the laywers should be pretty damned mad at the school and its leaders for the payout plus whatever they paid attorneys and i am just wondering what the total number is that will hit the tax payers i just think it is crazy that the people that cost the taxpayers all that cashola will get to keep there jobs that is all i am saying brohan take that to the bank

I doubt they billed more than the plaintiff's attorneys. The plaintiff's had to bill for producing a complaint and negotiating a consent decree. The defense only had to do the latter. Maybe they filed an answer, but that's a lot less work than drafting a complaint.

Discovery would have been ridiculous, I bet.

Doesn't seem that they let it get that far if the plaintiff's fees were 40K. Of course, for all I know the lodestar rate in rural Louisiana is $13/hr.

 

[Henry Ford]

i mean the schools attorneys i am wondering how much you law guys think that they would have gotten paid to work on this mess because it seems to me that the taxpayers down there who are going to foot the bill for the laywers should be pretty damned mad at the school and its leaders for the payout plus whatever they paid attorneys and i am just wondering what the total number is that will hit the tax payers i just think it is crazy that the people that cost the taxpayers all that cashola will get to keep there jobs that is all i am saying brohan take that to the bank

I doubt they billed more than the plaintiff's attorneys. The plaintiff's had to bill for producing a complaint and negotiating a consent decree. The defense only had to do the latter. Maybe they filed an answer, but that's a lot less work than drafting a complaint.

Discovery would have been ridiculous, I bet.

Doesn't seem that they let it get that far if the plaintiff's fees were 40K. Of course, for all I know the lodestar rate in rural Louisiana is $13/hr.

Probably looking at $200/hr or so down there.

 

[fatness]

If the school board's attorneys were on staff then it likely cost nothing extra and was just part of what they did for multiple days, instead of doing something else.

 

[SWC]

i guess i can see why a guy named ford would not like a charger but there are some things you say that you can never take back brohan take that to the bank my man

 

[Henry Ford]

If the school board's attorneys were on staff then it likely cost nothing extra and was just part of what they did for multiple days, instead of doing something else.

In my experience, a school board's attorneys usually handle state court pleadings in Louisiana. When it's in Federal Court, they hire outside counsel.

 

[Henry Ford]

i guess i can see why a guy named ford would not like a charger but there are some things you say that you can never take back brohan take that to the bank my man

In 1975, it had the same body as the Cordoba.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Can somebody file an injunction against SWC and his horrible shtick?