ACLU to fight religious harrassment in rural Louisiana school (1 Viewer)

[Carolina Hustler]

it's hard to believe that there's a school district flashing Bible verses on an electric marquee outside.

It's hard to believe that it is unconstitutional to do so, but here we are.

Shirley, you can't be serious.

Maybe you can quote the part for us where it suggests that it's unconstitutional to flash bible verses on a highschool marquee.. Maybe improper, but it's not unconstitutional..

Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion.

Not a "state religion." Religion. Full stop.

Now unless you don't accept the argument that the 1st Amendment applies to all government actions, and not just laws enacted by Congress or you somehow believe the 1st Amendment was not incorporated against the States by the 14th Amendment, I can't see how you'd have a non-trivial argument (grounded in the text of the Constitution) that the establishment clause applies.

I also find it amusing that the very people arguing for the most restrictive (textually ludicrous) interpretation of the establishment clause somehow interpret the free exercise clause to prevent laws of general application from applying to religious people if it somehow offends their beliefs. Which is something like 1000 times more fanciful as a matter of textual or historical interpretation.

Explain how flashing a bible verse in a marquee is making a law....

Read the third paragraph again.

His opinion on what it means to establish a state religion, and/or making no law respecting the establishment of religion? This is a ridiculous stretch...

It is not unconstitutional to flash a bible verse on a school marquee.. You guys are out of your minds..

 

[Zow]

it's hard to believe that there's a school district flashing Bible verses on an electric marquee outside.

It's hard to believe that it is unconstitutional to do so, but here we are.

Shirley, you can't be serious.

Maybe you can quote the part for us where it suggests that it's unconstitutional to flash bible verses on a highschool marquee.. Maybe improper, but it's not unconstitutional..

Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion.

Not a "state religion." Religion. Full stop.

Now unless you don't accept the argument that the 1st Amendment applies to all government actions, and not just laws enacted by Congress or you somehow believe the 1st Amendment was not incorporated against the States by the 14th Amendment, I can't see how you'd have a non-trivial argument (grounded in the text of the Constitution) that the establishment clause applies.

I also find it amusing that the very people arguing for the most restrictive (textually ludicrous) interpretation of the establishment clause somehow interpret the free exercise clause to prevent laws of general application from applying to religious people if it somehow offends their beliefs. Which is something like 1000 times more fanciful as a matter of textual or historical interpretation.

Explain how flashing a bible verse in a marquee is making a law....

Read the third paragraph again.

His opinion on what it means to establish a state religion, and/or making no law respecting the establishment of religion? This is a ridiculous stretch...

It is not unconstitutional to flash a bible verse on a school marquee.. You guys are out of your minds..

Obligatory Christo:

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

It is not unconstitutional to flash a bible verse on a school marquee.

You'd agree that it would be unconstitutional if it were done for a religious purpose, right?

I take it you're saying that there may be a secular purpose for flashing a bible verse on a school marquee, such that doing so isn't inherently unconstitutional?

If so, based on what you know of the Louisiana case that is the subject of this thread, do you think the Louisiana school put a bible verse on its marquee to further a secular purpose?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

What I'm speaking about, in a very general sense, is the prong of the legal test (called the Lemon test IIRC) that says that a state actor only runs afoul of the constitution when it advocates for one religion over another (although the more learned constitutional lawyers on this board can correct me here if I'm wrong). So, the school may have been trying to preserve an argument here by using a very general statement.

The test isn't whether it advocates for one religion over another. The test is whether it advocates for religion over non-religion (or vice versa). (The state action "must have a secular legislative purpose" and "its principal or primary effect must be one that neither advances nor inhibits religion." Lemon v. Kurtzman.) So using a very general statement doesn't help.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

It is not unconstitutional to flash a bible verse on a school marquee.

You'd agree that it would be unconstitutional if it were done for a religious purpose, right?

I take it you're saying that there may be a secular purpose for flashing a bible verse on a school marquee, such that doing so isn't inherently unconstitutional?

If so, based on what you know of the Louisiana case that is the subject of this thread, do you think the Louisiana school was acting primarily to further a secular purpose?

A few years ago a local wrestling coach came under fire (very little fire actually) because of a prominently displayed Bible verse in the wrestling room. The complaint never went anywhere because the verse, which had something to do with strength or courage or whatever, was just one of many inspirational posters in the room.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

So, is this town where they shot True Detective on location?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

There must be lots of these suits all around the country.

 

[joffer]

The utter lack of respect shown by people of the majority faith in this nation astounds me. The very people that cloak themselves in the flag and a false veil of patriotism have no idea what that flag truly represents, nor the harm that they do to others by imposing their concept of faith/religion on others.

If only such cowards were brave enough to embrace freedom not just for themselves nor other who see the world through their eyes' lense, but for all.

Aren't you over generalizing here? One small school district in Louisiana is hardly representative of anything.

http://youtu.be/HhGOOArVAkMO'rly?

Well damn. I gotta admit that's pretty scary.

Don't worry. It's not like one of these guys is head of the Texas Senate Education Committee.....

 

[timschochet]

It is not unconstitutional to flash a bible verse on a school marquee.

You'd agree that it would be unconstitutional if it were done for a religious purpose, right?

I take it you're saying that there may be a secular purpose for flashing a bible verse on a school marquee, such that doing so isn't inherently unconstitutional?

I'm trying to think of one.

Wait, I got it! "We were honoring Pete Seeger, and quoting the Turn! Turn! Turn! lyrics...."

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

There must be lots of these suits all around the country.

There are because there are a lot of stupid people out there.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

There must be lots of these suits all around the country.

There are because there are a lot of stupid people out there.

Undeniably true.

 

[bigbottom]

It is not unconstitutional to flash a bible verse on a school marquee.

You'd agree that it would be unconstitutional if it were done for a religious purpose, right?

I take it you're saying that there may be a secular purpose for flashing a bible verse on a school marquee, such that doing so isn't inherently unconstitutional?

If so, based on what you know of the Louisiana case that is the subject of this thread, do you think the Louisiana school put a bible verse on its marquee to further a secular purpose?

It is alleged in the lawsuit that the marquee regularly displays Bible verses. So we're not discussing in the abstract, the verse that was videotaped and submitted with the complaint was this: "In all ways acknowledge God, and he will direct thy path. Prov. 3 v. 6."

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

It is not unconstitutional to flash a bible verse on a school marquee.

You'd agree that it would be unconstitutional if it were done for a religious purpose, right?

I take it you're saying that there may be a secular purpose for flashing a bible verse on a school marquee, such that doing so isn't inherently unconstitutional?

If so, based on what you know of the Louisiana case that is the subject of this thread, do you think the Louisiana school put a bible verse on its marquee to further a secular purpose?

It is alleged in the lawsuit that the marquee regularly displays Bible verses. So we're not discussing in the abstract, the verse that was videotaped and submitted with the complaint was this: "In all ways acknowledge God, and he will direct thy path. Prov. 3 v. 6."

Secular purpose. Just trying to provide GPS service.

 

[Zow]

What I'm speaking about, in a very general sense, is the prong of the legal test (called the Lemon test IIRC) that says that a state actor only runs afoul of the constitution when it advocates for one religion over another (although the more learned constitutional lawyers on this board can correct me here if I'm wrong). So, the school may have been trying to preserve an argument here by using a very general statement.

The test isn't whether it advocates for one religion over another. The test is whether it advocates for religion over non-religion (or vice versa). (The state action "must have a secular legislative purpose" and "its principal or primary effect must be one that neither advances nor inhibits religion." Lemon v. Kurtzman.) So using a very general statement doesn't help.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

It is not unconstitutional to flash a bible verse on a school marquee.

You'd agree that it would be unconstitutional if it were done for a religious purpose, right?

I take it you're saying that there may be a secular purpose for flashing a bible verse on a school marquee, such that doing so isn't inherently unconstitutional?

If so, based on what you know of the Louisiana case that is the subject of this thread, do you think the Louisiana school put a bible verse on its marquee to further a secular purpose?

It is alleged in the lawsuit that the marquee regularly displays Bible verses. So we're not discussing in the abstract, the verse that was videotaped and submitted with the complaint was this: "In all ways acknowledge God, and he will direct thy path. Prov. 3 v. 6."

Yeaaaahhh...that's pretty much religious instruction in my book.

 

[jon_mx]

It is not unconstitutional to flash a bible verse on a school marquee.

You'd agree that it would be unconstitutional if it were done for a religious purpose, right?

I take it you're saying that there may be a secular purpose for flashing a bible verse on a school marquee, such that doing so isn't inherently unconstitutional?

I'm trying to think of one.Wait, I got it! "We were honoring Pete Seeger, and quoting the Turn! Turn! Turn! lyrics...."

Be fruitful and multiply.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

It is not unconstitutional to flash a bible verse on a school marquee.

You'd agree that it would be unconstitutional if it were done for a religious purpose, right?

I take it you're saying that there may be a secular purpose for flashing a bible verse on a school marquee, such that doing so isn't inherently unconstitutional?

I'm trying to think of one.Wait, I got it! "We were honoring Pete Seeger, and quoting the Turn! Turn! Turn! lyrics...."

Be fruitful and multiply.

In god we trust? Or One nation under god? O wait, those aren't bible verses, and not flashed on a school marquee..

You guys are right.. The marquee.. That is unconstitutional..

We can have "In God We Trust" printed on all of our federally distributed currency, but we can't flash a bible verse on a school marquee.. You guys are out of your minds...

 

[bigbottom]

It is not unconstitutional to flash a bible verse on a school marquee.

You'd agree that it would be unconstitutional if it were done for a religious purpose, right?

I take it you're saying that there may be a secular purpose for flashing a bible verse on a school marquee, such that doing so isn't inherently unconstitutional?

I'm trying to think of one.Wait, I got it! "We were honoring Pete Seeger, and quoting the Turn! Turn! Turn! lyrics...."

Be fruitful and multiply.

In god we trust? Or One nation under god? O wait, those aren't bible verses, and not flashed on a school marquee..You guys are right.. The marquee.. That is unconstitutional..

We can have "In God We Trust" printed on all of our federally distributed currency, but we can't flash a bible verse on a school marquee.. You guys are out of your minds...

You ignored and failed to answer Maurile's questions.

 

[fatness]

You folks may have to wipe some Hustler wisdom off your feet.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

It is not unconstitutional to flash a bible verse on a school marquee.

You'd agree that it would be unconstitutional if it were done for a religious purpose, right?

I take it you're saying that there may be a secular purpose for flashing a bible verse on a school marquee, such that doing so isn't inherently unconstitutional?

I'm trying to think of one.Wait, I got it! "We were honoring Pete Seeger, and quoting the Turn! Turn! Turn! lyrics...."

Be fruitful and multiply.

In god we trust? Or One nation under god? O wait, those aren't bible verses, and not flashed on a school marquee..

You guys are right.. The marquee.. That is unconstitutional..

We can have "In God We Trust" printed on all of our federally distributed currency, but we can't flash a bible verse on a school marquee.. You guys are out of your minds...

Those should be there either. HTH

 

[Homer J Simpson]

It is not unconstitutional to flash a bible verse on a school marquee.

You'd agree that it would be unconstitutional if it were done for a religious purpose, right?

I take it you're saying that there may be a secular purpose for flashing a bible verse on a school marquee, such that doing so isn't inherently unconstitutional?

I'm trying to think of one.Wait, I got it! "We were honoring Pete Seeger, and quoting the Turn! Turn! Turn! lyrics...."

Be fruitful and multiply.

In god we trust? Or One nation under god? O wait, those aren't bible verses, and not flashed on a school marquee..You guys are right.. The marquee.. That is unconstitutional..

We can have "In God We Trust" printed on all of our federally distributed currency, but we can't flash a bible verse on a school marquee.. You guys are out of your minds...

So you agree that phrase should be removed from our currency, yeah?

 

[Dr Oadi]

It is not unconstitutional to flash a bible verse on a school marquee.

You'd agree that it would be unconstitutional if it were done for a religious purpose, right?

I take it you're saying that there may be a secular purpose for flashing a bible verse on a school marquee, such that doing so isn't inherently unconstitutional?

I'm trying to think of one.Wait, I got it! "We were honoring Pete Seeger, and quoting the Turn! Turn! Turn! lyrics...."

Be fruitful and multiply.

In god we trust? Or One nation under god? O wait, those aren't bible verses, and not flashed on a school marquee..You guys are right.. The marquee.. That is unconstitutional..

We can have "In God We Trust" printed on all of our federally distributed currency, but we can't flash a bible verse on a school marquee.. You guys are out of your minds...

Those should be there either. HTH

You are right. Those should be there. Along with school marquees acknowledging God.

 

[bigbottom]

Not only acknowledging God, but directing students to acknowledge God.

 

[Henry Ford]

it's hard to believe that there's a school district flashing Bible verses on an electric marquee outside.

It's hard to believe that it is unconstitutional to do so, but here we are.

Shirley, you can't be serious.

Maybe you can quote the part for us where it suggests that it's unconstitutional to flash bible verses on a highschool marquee.. Maybe improper, but it's not unconstitutional..

Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion.

Not a "state religion." Religion. Full stop.

Now unless you don't accept the argument that the 1st Amendment applies to all government actions, and not just laws enacted by Congress or you somehow believe the 1st Amendment was not incorporated against the States by the 14th Amendment, I can't see how you'd have a non-trivial argument (grounded in the text of the Constitution) that the establishment clause applies.

I also find it amusing that the very people arguing for the most restrictive (textually ludicrous) interpretation of the establishment clause somehow interpret the free exercise clause to prevent laws of general application from applying to religious people if it somehow offends their beliefs. Which is something like 1000 times more fanciful as a matter of textual or historical interpretation.

Explain how flashing a bible verse in a marquee is making a law....

Read the third paragraph again.

His opinion on what it means to establish a state religion, and/or making no law respecting the establishment of religion? This is a ridiculous stretch...It is not unconstitutional to flash a bible verse on a school marquee.. You guys are out of your minds..

For those of you who thought "No one would be crazy enough to think they could do all this."

I give you Exhibit A.

 

[Koya]

It is not unconstitutional to flash a bible verse on a school marquee.

You'd agree that it would be unconstitutional if it were done for a religious purpose, right?

I take it you're saying that there may be a secular purpose for flashing a bible verse on a school marquee, such that doing so isn't inherently unconstitutional?

I'm trying to think of one.Wait, I got it! "We were honoring Pete Seeger, and quoting the Turn! Turn! Turn! lyrics...."

Be fruitful and multiply.

In god we trust? Or One nation under god? O wait, those aren't bible verses, and not flashed on a school marquee..You guys are right.. The marquee.. That is unconstitutional..

We can have "In God We Trust" printed on all of our federally distributed currency, but we can't flash a bible verse on a school marquee.. You guys are out of your minds...

Serious questions....

Do you not care about the large but still a minority of citizens that don't believe in one G-d? Do you have such a lack of respect for these children that you feel it is necessary to push your particular / the majority religious viewpoint on them? Because as someone who is agnostic ( not even atheist), it's uncomfortable to always be reminded that certain governmental agencies must remind me that I and certainly others ( atheists, poly theists) are not part of the government supported / sponsored religion.

Second, would you be totally ok if a school district cited verses of the Quran, or better yet flashed "there is no god, for such is a falsehood of man" flashing on their marquee? Because that's no different than using a bible verse.

Finally, do you consider yourself a big govt or small govt guy?

Look forward to the responses.

 

[Koya]

it's hard to believe that there's a school district flashing Bible verses on an electric marquee outside.

It's hard to believe that it is unconstitutional to do so, but here we are.

Shirley, you can't be serious.

Maybe you can quote the part for us where it suggests that it's unconstitutional to flash bible verses on a highschool marquee.. Maybe improper, but it's not unconstitutional..

Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion.

Not a "state religion." Religion. Full stop.

Now unless you don't accept the argument that the 1st Amendment applies to all government actions, and not just laws enacted by Congress or you somehow believe the 1st Amendment was not incorporated against the States by the 14th Amendment, I can't see how you'd have a non-trivial argument (grounded in the text of the Constitution) that the establishment clause applies.

I also find it amusing that the very people arguing for the most restrictive (textually ludicrous) interpretation of the establishment clause somehow interpret the free exercise clause to prevent laws of general application from applying to religious people if it somehow offends their beliefs. Which is something like 1000 times more fanciful as a matter of textual or historical interpretation.

Explain how flashing a bible verse in a marquee is making a law....

Read the third paragraph again.

His opinion on what it means to establish a state religion, and/or making no law respecting the establishment of religion? This is a ridiculous stretch...It is not unconstitutional to flash a bible verse on a school marquee.. You guys are out of your minds..

For those of you who thought "No one would be crazy enough to think they could do all this."I give you Exhibit A.

IMO its not crazy at all. It is, however, an utter lack of respect for anyone who has a different viewpoint / religious belief. And that's sad.

 

[bigbottom]

I'm really disappointed by Carolina Hustler's efforts in this thread. I was expecting a better effort.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

It is not unconstitutional to flash a bible verse on a school marquee.

You'd agree that it would be unconstitutional if it were done for a religious purpose, right?

I take it you're saying that there may be a secular purpose for flashing a bible verse on a school marquee, such that doing so isn't inherently unconstitutional?

I'm trying to think of one.Wait, I got it! "We were honoring Pete Seeger, and quoting the Turn! Turn! Turn! lyrics...."

Be fruitful and multiply.

In god we trust? Or One nation under god? O wait, those aren't bible verses, and not flashed on a school marquee..You guys are right.. The marquee.. That is unconstitutional..

We can have "In God We Trust" printed on all of our federally distributed currency, but we can't flash a bible verse on a school marquee.. You guys are out of your minds...

You ignored and failed to answer Maurile's questions.

Why do I need to answer the question? It's irrelevant...

 

[Carolina Hustler]

It is not unconstitutional to flash a bible verse on a school marquee.

You'd agree that it would be unconstitutional if it were done for a religious purpose, right?

I take it you're saying that there may be a secular purpose for flashing a bible verse on a school marquee, such that doing so isn't inherently unconstitutional?

I'm trying to think of one.Wait, I got it! "We were honoring Pete Seeger, and quoting the Turn! Turn! Turn! lyrics...."

Be fruitful and multiply.

In god we trust? Or One nation under god? O wait, those aren't bible verses, and not flashed on a school marquee..You guys are right.. The marquee.. That is unconstitutional..

We can have "In God We Trust" printed on all of our federally distributed currency, but we can't flash a bible verse on a school marquee.. You guys are out of your minds...

So you agree that phrase should be removed from our currency, yeah?

Once it's deemed illegal, which it hasn't been...

 

[Carolina Hustler]

it's hard to believe that there's a school district flashing Bible verses on an electric marquee outside.

It's hard to believe that it is unconstitutional to do so, but here we are.

Shirley, you can't be serious.

Maybe you can quote the part for us where it suggests that it's unconstitutional to flash bible verses on a highschool marquee.. Maybe improper, but it's not unconstitutional..

Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion.

Not a "state religion." Religion. Full stop.

Now unless you don't accept the argument that the 1st Amendment applies to all government actions, and not just laws enacted by Congress or you somehow believe the 1st Amendment was not incorporated against the States by the 14th Amendment, I can't see how you'd have a non-trivial argument (grounded in the text of the Constitution) that the establishment clause applies.

I also find it amusing that the very people arguing for the most restrictive (textually ludicrous) interpretation of the establishment clause somehow interpret the free exercise clause to prevent laws of general application from applying to religious people if it somehow offends their beliefs. Which is something like 1000 times more fanciful as a matter of textual or historical interpretation.

Explain how flashing a bible verse in a marquee is making a law....

Read the third paragraph again.

His opinion on what it means to establish a state religion, and/or making no law respecting the establishment of religion? This is a ridiculous stretch...It is not unconstitutional to flash a bible verse on a school marquee.. You guys are out of your minds..

For those of you who thought "No one would be crazy enough to think they could do all this."

I give you Exhibit A.

Typical answer... You're obviously ignoring the string of posts.. The question is, 'Is it unconstitutional to flash a bible verse on a school marquee'

Our federal government has not deemed it unconstitutional to mint our currency bearing "In God We Trust". With that in mind why should I assume it is unconstitutional to flash a bible verse on a school marquee?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Serious questions....Do you not care about the large but still a minority of citizens that don't believe in one G-d? Do you have such a lack of respect for these children that you feel it is necessary to push your particular / the majority religious viewpoint on them? Because as someone who is agnostic ( not even atheist), it's uncomfortable to always be reminded that certain governmental agencies must remind me that I and certainly others ( atheists, poly theists) are not part of the government supported / sponsored religion.

Second, would you be totally ok if a school district cited verses of the Quran, or better yet flashed "there is no god, for such is a falsehood of man" flashing on their marquee? Because that's no different than using a bible verse.

Finally, do you consider yourself a big govt or small govt guy?

Look forward to the responses.

I don't think people should be so thin skinned on the matter. Our country was founded on christian beliefs. We let everyone practice the religion of their choosing, but our roots and heritage will not be forgotten or abolished... In some countries people are persecuted and in some cases killed for not practicing a particular religion. We are a christian country, but everyone is free to practice the religion of their choosing..

I would not "be totally ok if a school district cited verses of the Quran, or better yet flashed "there is no god, for such is a falsehood of man" flashing on their marquee".. I don't think it's appropriate to push children in any religious direction (or political for that matter).. But the question was 'Is it unconstitutional to flash a bible verse on a school marquee', and it is not, inappropriate, but not unconstitutional...

Small government guy here

 

[jon_mx]

I am not sure why an uplifting verse from the BIble has any less right to be displayed as an uplifting quote from some other source.

 

[Dr Oadi]

I am not sure why an uplifting verse from the BIble has any less right to be displayed as an uplifting quote from some other source.

Because it is from the Bible...horrors!

 

[bigbottom]

I am not sure why an uplifting verse from the BIble has any less right to be displayed as an uplifting quote from some other source.

Perhaps because it's directing students to acknowledge God in all things so He can direct their path?

 

[bigbottom]

It is not unconstitutional to flash a bible verse on a school marquee.

You'd agree that it would be unconstitutional if it were done for a religious purpose, right?

I take it you're saying that there may be a secular purpose for flashing a bible verse on a school marquee, such that doing so isn't inherently unconstitutional?

I'm trying to think of one.Wait, I got it! "We were honoring Pete Seeger, and quoting the Turn! Turn! Turn! lyrics...."

Be fruitful and multiply.

In god we trust? Or One nation under god? O wait, those aren't bible verses, and not flashed on a school marquee..You guys are right.. The marquee.. That is unconstitutional..

We can have "In God We Trust" printed on all of our federally distributed currency, but we can't flash a bible verse on a school marquee.. You guys are out of your minds...

You ignored and failed to answer Maurile's questions.

Why do I need to answer the question? It's irrelevant...

The questions are central to the constitutional analysis under current Supreme Court jurisprudence. But even if you reject such jurisprudence, how about you humor us with an answer to the questions anyway?

And thanks for returning to the thread.

 

[jon_mx]

I am not sure why an uplifting verse from the BIble has any less right to be displayed as an uplifting quote from some other source.

Perhaps because it's directing students to acknowledge God in all things so He can direct their path?

My comment was for the more general case of an uplifting verse.

 

[bigbottom]

Serious questions....

Do you not care about the large but still a minority of citizens that don't believe in one G-d? Do you have such a lack of respect for these children that you feel it is necessary to push your particular / the majority religious viewpoint on them? Because as someone who is agnostic ( not even atheist), it's uncomfortable to always be reminded that certain governmental agencies must remind me that I and certainly others ( atheists, poly theists) are not part of the government supported / sponsored religion.

Second, would you be totally ok if a school district cited verses of the Quran, or better yet flashed "there is no god, for such is a falsehood of man" flashing on their marquee? Because that's no different than using a bible verse.

Finally, do you consider yourself a big govt or small govt guy?

Look forward to the responses.

I don't think people should be so thin skinned on the matter. Our country was founded on christian beliefs. We let everyone practice the religion of their choosing, but our roots and heritage will not be forgotten or abolished... In some countries people are persecuted and in some cases killed for not practicing a particular religion. We are a christian country, but everyone is free to practice the religion of their choosing..I would not "be totally ok if a school district cited verses of the Quran, or better yet flashed "there is no god, for such is a falsehood of man" flashing on their marquee".. I don't think it's appropriate to push children in any religious direction (or political for that matter).. But the question was 'Is it unconstitutional to flash a bible verse on a school marquee', and it is not, inappropriate, but not unconstitutional...

Small government guy here

Given your response in bold, it would depend on which Bible verse was flashed, no? After all, we're not debating the issue in a vacuum. We know the particulars of at least one of the verses in question.

 

[bigbottom]

I am not sure why an uplifting verse from the BIble has any less right to be displayed as an uplifting quote from some other source.

Perhaps because it's directing students to acknowledge God in all things so He can direct their path?

My comment was for the more general case of an uplifting verse.

So you agree that the verse in question is constitutionally problematic?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I am not sure why an uplifting verse from the BIble has any less right to be displayed as an uplifting quote from some other source.

Perhaps because it's directing students to acknowledge God in all things so He can direct their path?

My comment was for the more general case of an uplifting verse.

So you agree that the verse in question is constitutionally problematic?

lol

 

[Henry Ford]

Serious questions....Do you not care about the large but still a minority of citizens that don't believe in one G-d? Do you have such a lack of respect for these children that you feel it is necessary to push your particular / the majority religious viewpoint on them? Because as someone who is agnostic ( not even atheist), it's uncomfortable to always be reminded that certain governmental agencies must remind me that I and certainly others ( atheists, poly theists) are not part of the government supported / sponsored religion.

Second, would you be totally ok if a school district cited verses of the Quran, or better yet flashed "there is no god, for such is a falsehood of man" flashing on their marquee? Because that's no different than using a bible verse.

Finally, do you consider yourself a big govt or small govt guy?

Look forward to the responses.

I don't think people should be so thin skinned on the matter. Our country was founded on christian beliefs. We let everyone practice the religion of their choosing, but our roots and heritage will not be forgotten or abolished... In some countries people are persecuted and in some cases killed for not practicing a particular religion. We are a christian country, but everyone is free to practice the religion of their choosing..

I would not "be totally ok if a school district cited verses of the Quran, or better yet flashed "there is no god, for such is a falsehood of man" flashing on their marquee".. I don't think it's appropriate to push children in any religious direction (or political for that matter).. But the question was 'Is it unconstitutional to flash a bible verse on a school marquee', and it is not, inappropriate, but not unconstitutional...

Small government guy here

It's going to depend on the bible verse.

"Do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself" isn't going to be a big problem.

"I am the way, the truth, and the light. No one comes to the Father but through me" is going to be a problem.

 

[CBusAlex]

Our federal government has not deemed it unconstitutional to mint our currency bearing "In God We Trust". With that in mind why should I assume it is unconstitutional to flash a bible verse on a school marquee?

Our federal government has deemed it unconstitutional to display the Ten Commandments in a courtroom, or display a cross on public land. With that in mind, why should you assume it is constitutional to flash a bible verse on a school marquee?

Explain how flashing a bible verse in a marquee is making a law....

Since you seem so hung up on the "law" part, let's try another example. Suppose the governor of your state decided to unconditionally pardon all criminals who convert to Islam, while refusing to pardon any non-Muslim prisoners. Unconstitutional, or no?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Serious questions....Do you not care about the large but still a minority of citizens that don't believe in one G-d? Do you have such a lack of respect for these children that you feel it is necessary to push your particular / the majority religious viewpoint on them? Because as someone who is agnostic ( not even atheist), it's uncomfortable to always be reminded that certain governmental agencies must remind me that I and certainly others ( atheists, poly theists) are not part of the government supported / sponsored religion.

Second, would you be totally ok if a school district cited verses of the Quran, or better yet flashed "there is no god, for such is a falsehood of man" flashing on their marquee? Because that's no different than using a bible verse.

Finally, do you consider yourself a big govt or small govt guy?

Look forward to the responses.

I don't think people should be so thin skinned on the matter. Our country was founded on christian beliefs. We let everyone practice the religion of their choosing, but our roots and heritage will not be forgotten or abolished... In some countries people are persecuted and in some cases killed for not practicing a particular religion. We are a christian country, but everyone is free to practice the religion of their choosing..

I would not "be totally ok if a school district cited verses of the Quran, or better yet flashed "there is no god, for such is a falsehood of man" flashing on their marquee".. I don't think it's appropriate to push children in any religious direction (or political for that matter).. But the question was 'Is it unconstitutional to flash a bible verse on a school marquee', and it is not, inappropriate, but not unconstitutional...

Small government guy here

It's going to depend on the bible verse.

"Do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself" isn't going to be a big problem.

"I am the way, the truth, and the light. No one comes to the Father but through me" is going to be a problem.

Based on your biased opinion, but not based upon the constitution..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Explain how flashing a bible verse in a marquee is making a law....

Since you seem so hung up on the "law" part, let's try another example. Suppose the governor of your state decided to unconditionally pardon all criminals who convert to Islam, while refusing to pardon any non-Muslim prisoners. Unconstitutional, or no?

Flashing a bible verse on a marquee is now akin to unconditionally pardoning all criminals who convert to Islam... Buddy, you're Kookoo for Cocoa Puffs...

 

[Henry Ford]

Serious questions....Do you not care about the large but still a minority of citizens that don't believe in one G-d? Do you have such a lack of respect for these children that you feel it is necessary to push your particular / the majority religious viewpoint on them? Because as someone who is agnostic ( not even atheist), it's uncomfortable to always be reminded that certain governmental agencies must remind me that I and certainly others ( atheists, poly theists) are not part of the government supported / sponsored religion.

Second, would you be totally ok if a school district cited verses of the Quran, or better yet flashed "there is no god, for such is a falsehood of man" flashing on their marquee? Because that's no different than using a bible verse.

Finally, do you consider yourself a big govt or small govt guy?

Look forward to the responses.

I don't think people should be so thin skinned on the matter. Our country was founded on christian beliefs. We let everyone practice the religion of their choosing, but our roots and heritage will not be forgotten or abolished... In some countries people are persecuted and in some cases killed for not practicing a particular religion. We are a christian country, but everyone is free to practice the religion of their choosing..

I would not "be totally ok if a school district cited verses of the Quran, or better yet flashed "there is no god, for such is a falsehood of man" flashing on their marquee".. I don't think it's appropriate to push children in any religious direction (or political for that matter).. But the question was 'Is it unconstitutional to flash a bible verse on a school marquee', and it is not, inappropriate, but not unconstitutional...

Small government guy here

It's going to depend on the bible verse.

"Do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself" isn't going to be a big problem.

"I am the way, the truth, and the light. No one comes to the Father but through me" is going to be a problem.

Based on your biased opinion, but not based upon the constitution..

I'll see if I can find a lawyer who prosecutes these kind of actions and ask what he says.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

I am not sure why an uplifting verse from the BIble has any less right to be displayed as an uplifting quote from some other source.

Would you have a problem if the passage was from the Koran? And specifically referenced Allah?

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Do you think this same school would allow an uplifting message like this on their marquee?

 

[SacramentoBob]

I really hope the schools start putting Quran 2:191 on their marquees before football games.

 

[parrot]

Scavenger hunt:

Find ONE non-white teacher on staff here

http://www2.sabine.k12.la.us/mes/faculty.htm

That was the worst Who's Hottest ever.

Also, it's Heather Brooks.

And Dickie Leach is a woman. That had to be tough in high school.

 

[pollardsvision]

Scavenger hunt:

Find ONE non-white teacher on staff here

http://www2.sabine.k12.la.us/mes/faculty.htm

That was the worst Who's Hottest ever.

Also, it's Heather Brooks.

And Dickie Leach is a woman. That had to be tough in high school.

Meh....that nickname was probably well earned.

 

[Henry Ford]

Serious questions....Do you not care about the large but still a minority of citizens that don't believe in one G-d? Do you have such a lack of respect for these children that you feel it is necessary to push your particular / the majority religious viewpoint on them? Because as someone who is agnostic ( not even atheist), it's uncomfortable to always be reminded that certain governmental agencies must remind me that I and certainly others ( atheists, poly theists) are not part of the government supported / sponsored religion.

Second, would you be totally ok if a school district cited verses of the Quran, or better yet flashed "there is no god, for such is a falsehood of man" flashing on their marquee? Because that's no different than using a bible verse.

Finally, do you consider yourself a big govt or small govt guy?

Look forward to the responses.

I don't think people should be so thin skinned on the matter. Our country was founded on christian beliefs. We let everyone practice the religion of their choosing, but our roots and heritage will not be forgotten or abolished... In some countries people are persecuted and in some cases killed for not practicing a particular religion. We are a christian country, but everyone is free to practice the religion of their choosing..

I would not "be totally ok if a school district cited verses of the Quran, or better yet flashed "there is no god, for such is a falsehood of man" flashing on their marquee".. I don't think it's appropriate to push children in any religious direction (or political for that matter).. But the question was 'Is it unconstitutional to flash a bible verse on a school marquee', and it is not, inappropriate, but not unconstitutional...

Small government guy here

It's going to depend on the bible verse.

"Do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself" isn't going to be a big problem.

"I am the way, the truth, and the light. No one comes to the Father but through me" is going to be a problem.

Based on your biased opinion, but not based upon the constitution..

I'll see if I can find a lawyer who prosecutes these kind of actions and ask what he says.

Okay, I asked him, and his response was "why are you talking to yourself?" To which I said "why are you talking to yourself?" That went on for awhile.