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The death certificate does not affect billing in any way.If the cause of death is listed as COVID, is it easier for the hospital to bill for COVID?
The death certificate does not affect billing in any way.If the cause of death is listed as COVID, is it easier for the hospital to bill for COVID?
Im open to learn what you think it is...I have asked you to back up the assertions you made about the numbers. You have refused to do so. I have asked several other questions to clarify what it is you are looking for or what you believe about certain things...you have refused to answer. I have asked what you would like support to based on what I have said. You have also refused to answer that.You clearly have no concept of what "proof" entails.
Well now we are back to Obama will go to jail and posting baseless conspiracy theories about a former President and its coming from the guy in office now.Tens of thousands of people in this country are dying, and once again Trump supporters want to argue that the real victim here is the president.
During a task force meeting Wednesday, a heated discussion broke out between Deborah Birx, the physician who oversees the administration’s coronavirus response, and Robert Redfield, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Birx and others were frustrated with the CDC’s antiquated system for tracking virus data, which they worried was inflating some statistics — such as mortality rate and case count — by as much as 25 percent, according to four people present for the discussion or later briefed on it. Two senior administration officials said the discussion was not heated.
“There is nothing from the CDC that I can trust,” Birx said, according to two of the people.
Trump could fire everyone running the CDC if he really thought they were falsifying numbers or using an antiquated system.According to this Washington Post article, Dr Birx is of the belief that the CDC has inflated death counts by as much as 25%...
As deaths mount, Trump tries to convince Americans it’s safe to inch back to normal
Whoops
So I guess the question is - Will the media immediately turn on Birx or will they presume she's been corrupted by Trump?
The article doesn't say the numbers were inflated because the CDC was falsifying them. It says they were inflated because they're using an antiquated tracking system.Trump could fire everyone running the CDC if he really thought they were falsifying numbers.
But the reason why he doesn't do that is quite simple: it's better for him politically if he does nothing.
Once again, that's Trump's strategy: do nothing, so you can avoid all responsibility while simultaneously taking all credit.
So then Trump is only responsible for 60k deaths over the last 2 months? I'm seeing a lot of Trump responsible for 80k deaths and want to make sure I know how many people he is directly responsible for killing.According to this Washington Post article, Dr Birx is of the belief that the CDC has inflated death counts by as much as 25%...
As deaths mount, Trump tries to convince Americans it’s safe to inch back to normal
Whoops
So I guess the question is - Will the media immediately turn on Birx or will they presume she's been corrupted by Trump?
I don't think we should assume that the "open up" crowd would change their position if the virus affected everyone equally.When did conservatives start hating old people so much?
89,154 to go!I just saw the Colorado change. It makes sense to me. 300 Covid deaths off the books now.
dudeI just saw the Colorado change. It makes sense to me. 300 Covid deaths off the books now.
Population of New York City: 8.4 millionA scam in three parts
Act 1:
https://durangoherald.com/articles/324539 Man dies with BAC of .55. But COVID!!!!!!!!
Act 2:
https://www.9news.com/article/news/local/next/gop-rep-alleges-falsified-covid-19-records-calls-for-indictment-of-colorados-top-health-official/73-bf02452f-4615-4efe-9413-a4826a8105b2 Falsified death certificates you say?
Act 3:
https://covid19.colorado.gov/data/case-data Colorado reduces death count due to COVID from 1150 to 878 to align with the CDC (24% reduction)
61% of CO "COVID" deaths are from nursing homes. Now, if states stop coding BS deaths as COVID and stop sending infected patients back into nursing homes, this virus is basically the flu.
Largest county in the US: Los Angeles County. 10m people. 1,793 deaths.Politician Spock said:Population of New York City: 8.4 million
Average number of flu deaths per year from New York City residents: between 700 and 1500
Number of COVID-19 deaths so far from New York City residents: 20,155.... and rising.... and this with the city locked down.
And if you think that number is inflated with deaths for other reasons, total deaths in NYC for any reasons is six times the normal level.
This is NOT basically the flu.
Los Angeles had 278 deaths from the flu in 2018. (And that was above average.)Largest county in the US: Los Angeles County. 10m people. 1,793 deaths.Politician Spock said:Population of New York City: 8.4 million
Average number of flu deaths per year from New York City residents: between 700 and 1500
Number of COVID-19 deaths so far from New York City residents: 20,155.... and rising.... and this with the city locked down.
And if you think that number is inflated with deaths for other reasons, total deaths in NYC for any reasons is six times the normal level.
This is NOT basically the flu.
What do you think it would be if the percentage of infected in LA matched the percentage of infected in NYC?Largest county in the US: Los Angeles County. 10m people. 1,793 deaths.
In reality? Nothing close to some exorbitantly high fake number like 20,000.What do you think it would be if the percentage of infected in LA matched the percentage of infected in NYC?
Fake number?In reality? Nothing close to some exorbitantly high fake number like 20,000.
The saddest part is that there are literally millions of Americans who think the same as him.Fake number?In reality? Nothing close to some exorbitantly high fake number like 20,000.
Sadder aprt are the folks that think it's ok that 20+% of Americans are out of work.The saddest part is that there are literally millions of Americans who think the same as him.
Sadder are the folks that blame politicians for that an not the natural disaster.Sadder aprt are the folks that think it's ok that 20+% of Americans are out of work.
Ohhhh...Glad to know you don't blame President Trump either. Good.Sadder are the folks that blame politicians for that an not the natural disaster.
I've never blamed Trump for people being out of work. I've blamed him for causing more deaths than were necessary.Ohhhh...Glad to know you don't blame President Trump either. Good.
Thought it was a natural disaster? Im confused. So you only blame politicians when it suits your needsI've never blamed Trump for people being out of work. I've blamed him for causing more deaths than were necessary.
In the near future it may be appropriate to blame Trump for people continuing to be out of work. Seems likely, but still up in the air right now as we could get lucky.I've never blamed Trump for people being out of work. I've blamed him for causing more deaths than were necessary.
Disagree, they are both equally sad.Sadder aprt are the folks that think it's ok that 20+% of Americans are out of work.The saddest part is that there are literally millions of Americans who think the same as him.
Who thinks that is ok?Sadder aprt are the folks that think it's ok that 20+% of Americans are out of work.
If Trump were the one responsible for sounding tornado sirens, I have no doubt that our country would experience more deaths from tornadoes every year than were necessary, especially since he would turn the sirens off while the tornado is still reeking havoc, while yelling "get back to work! get back to work! we need to save the economy! We're just gonna have to live with this tornado swirling around!"Thought it was a natural disaster? Im confused. So you only blame politicians when it suits your needs
More hypocrisy. Shame.
Ok man. Whatever you say. Make any story or analogy you want to defend your hypocrisy. It's very realIf Trump were the one responsible for sounding tornado sirens, I have no doubt that our country would experience more deaths from tornadoes every year than were necessary, especially since he would turn the sirens off while the tornado is still reeking havoc, while yelling "get back to work! get back to work! we need to save the economy! We're just gonna have to live with this tornado swirling around!"
If we experience a 2nd lock down, then yes. The way PPP is written in the CARES act, many businesses only have one shot at reopening. A 2nd lockdown, and they're dead.In the near future it may be appropriate to blame Trump for people continuing to be out of work. Seems likely, but still up in the air right now as we could get lucky.
I'm thinking more in terms of the uneven availability of testing capability means that we effectively go in and out of lock down mode even if the government never goes there again as people swing from growing restless to get out back to being spooked into minimizing their activities - assuming they ever resume them. In keeping with the prevalent analogyIf we experience a 2nd lock down, then yes. The way PPP is written in the CARES act, many businesses only have one shot at reopening. A 2nd lockdown, and they're dead.In the near future it may be appropriate to blame Trump for people continuing to be out of work. Seems likely, but still up in the air right now as we could get lucky.
I agree. There are so many aspects of how government needs to manage a pandemic. It's like they weren't prepared for this at all.I'm thinking more in terms of the uneven availability of testing capability means that we effectively go in and out of lock down mode even if the government never goes there again as people swing from growing restless to get out back to being spooked into minimizing their activities - assuming they ever resume them. In keeping with the prevalent analogy
Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the water
I just can’t imagine we do another lockdown unless it was Ebola level illness with Covid level transmission. And I say this not thinking the first lockdown was a mistake, I think it was needed as we weren’t prepared and the overwhelming of the health care system was a very real threat. With Covid we have a better handle on what it is and what it’s effects are, with that in mind I just can’t see another mass lockdown happening, something locally maybe but nothing on this scale again. The damage done already is going to take years to reverse.If we experience a 2nd lock down, then yes. The way PPP is written in the CARES act, many businesses only have one shot at reopening. A 2nd lockdown, and they're dead.
We never had a mass lock down. Even in the statewide lock downs, the majority of businesses were deemed essential and remained open. Any repeat of what was locked down will be 10 times as devastating to the businesses being locked down a 2nd time than it was the first time. The Federal government could not afford the size the CARES act would need to be to save businesses being locked down a 2nd time.I just can’t imagine we do another lockdown unless it was Ebola level illness with Covid level transmission. And I say this not thinking the first lockdown was a mistake, I think it was needed as we weren’t prepared and the overwhelming of the health care system was a very real threat. With Covid we have a better handle on what it is and what it’s effects are, with that in mind I just can’t see another mass lockdown happening, something locally maybe but nothing on this scale again. The damage done already is going to take years to reverse.
Silencing the truth will only lead to trouble.Saints posted this link in the other thread. This is the stuff that has me believing the numbers are higher than reported. Dissenting thoughts are punished and people removed from positions for refusing to comply with changing numbers...
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Meh, she was just another deep state operative trying to make Republicans look bad.Silencing the truth will only lead to trouble.Saints posted this link in the other thread. This is the stuff that has me believing the numbers are higher than reported. Dissenting thoughts are punished and people removed from positions for refusing to comply with changing numbers...
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aka "The Deep State"....be better!I don’t know about him, but I got mine from the CDC, actual epidemiologists, and studies conducted by the schools of health of multiple major universities.
I think we will find that there were shady tricks both to increase and decrease numbers but I strongly believe that it’s under counted due to the excess deaths.Saints posted this link in the other thread. This is the stuff that has me believing the numbers are higher than reported. Dissenting thoughts are punished and people removed from positions for refusing to comply with changing numbers...
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Honestly, they're doing a bang up job of that on their own. Pushing the economy ahead of human lives, while the nation loses over a thousand people a day from Covid 19? That doesn't strike me as a party of the people, by the people, for the people.Meh, she was just another deep state operative trying to make Republicans look bad.
time to watch Chernobyl againSilencing the truth will only lead to trouble.