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On the subject of Harvin rushing, here are his carries last season:

11 yards (first down)

11 yards (first down)

1 yard

13 yards (first down)

-8 yards

2 yards

7 yards

2 yards

7 yards

35 yards (first down)

10 yards (first down)

9 yards (first down)

13 yards (first down)

0 yards

22 yards (first down)

3 yards

14 yards (first down)

6 yards (first down)

8 yards (first down)

2 yards

10 yards (first down)

-5 yards

That's 22 carries for 173 yards (7.9 ypc) and 12 first downs. He got positive yardage on 19 of 22 carries. I get that some of his high ypc is due to a small sample size and the way he was used, and thus it won't necessarily scale up... however, I think that's a very strong performance in limited opportunities.

Interestingly, he had 15 carries in the regular season and 7 carries in the Vikings' 2 playoff games. Based upon that, along with his overall rushing performance, I would be surprised if he doesn't get more carries this year... whether you want to attribute an increase in carries to him getting some of Taylor's carries or not is semantics IMO.

In the 2 playoff games, he had 7 carries for 38 yards and 4 first downs. Scaling that up is probably a bit much... I don't necessarily think he will get 50+ carries. But I do think he showed he is capable of producing with 3-4 carries per game, and I think he will more than double his 15 regular season carries from last year.

 
On the subject of Harvin rushing, here are his carries last season:11 yards (first down)11 yards (first down)1 yard13 yards (first down)-8 yards2 yards7 yards2 yards7 yards35 yards (first down)10 yards (first down)9 yards (first down)13 yards (first down)0 yards22 yards (first down)3 yards14 yards (first down)6 yards (first down)8 yards (first down)2 yards10 yards (first down)-5 yardsThat's 22 carries for 173 yards (7.9 ypc) and 12 first downs. He got positive yardage on 19 of 22 carries. I get that some of his high ypc is due to a small sample size and the way he was used, and thus it won't necessarily scale up... however, I think that's a very strong performance in limited opportunities.Interestingly, he had 15 carries in the regular season and 7 carries in the Vikings' 2 playoff games. Based upon that, along with his overall rushing performance, I would be surprised if he doesn't get more carries this year... whether you want to attribute an increase in carries to him getting some of Taylor's carries or not is semantics IMO.In the 2 playoff games, he had 7 carries for 38 yards and 4 first downs. Scaling that up is probably a bit much... I don't necessarily think he will get 50+ carries. But I do think he showed he is capable of producing with 3-4 carries per game, and I think he will more than double his 15 regular season carries from last year.
:rolleyes: All this from a Chargers guy!? Exactly my feeling as well. To be fair he's dynamic anywhere on the field, but IMO he's giving Secret Squirrel wet dreams with all the ways he can be used. As I stated above, I feel his overall touches will go up, but no way do his receptions go up dramatically.
 
No one questions whether Harvin can be a very effective situational runner. The question in my mind is do they want to subject him to the abuse? Running a couple of reverses is one thing; running out of the backfield where defensive lineman and LBs get clean shots on you is another.

 
1. I didn't go back and research the situations for every single one of them (too much time ;) ), but it would seem rather odd that he somehow is not able to hold on to the ball in the middle of the field, but can on the ends. Like I said before, it can happen at any time and in any situation, and it is NEVER good. Whether he has lost one right on either goal-line yet is fairly irrelevant - the possibility is there.
It's actually a fairly simple explanation. AP has some strong fricken hands. Every reporter raves about their strength. In a goal line situation where the first concern on his mind is ball protection, it is almost impossible to rip the ball away from him. His fumbling problems come from a lack of focus. When he's in between the 20s, he's so focused on breaking a big play that he tends to hold the ball away from his body. This obviously makes it easy for defenders to swipe or rip away the ball. If he would make ball control a more primary focus, then the fumbling issues would probably go away, or at least lessen. However, unless the Vikings O line turns back into the monster that a lot of people still believe it to be(not many people were watching the Vikings last year apparently), then AP isn't likely going to get pulled from the goal line very often.
Another pretty big contributing factor to his fumbles is his desire to get as much as he can out of every single playe--it is very difficult at times for one player to bring him down, but that one player can sometimes hold onto him long enough to allow his reinforcements to arrive. It's Tackling 101 that once a player is held up, the second and third players to arrive should go for the ball. And that is exactly what happens to AP on occasion. His hard running works against him and leads to some of his fumbles.
 
No one questions whether Harvin can be a very effective situational runner. The question in my mind is do they want to subject him to the abuse? Running a couple of reverses is one thing; running out of the backfield where defensive lineman and LBs get clean shots on you is another.
:goodposting:I'd say he was just as valuable to UF as he is to the Vikings, yet they used him extensively that way. I know NFL defenses are tougher than college defenses, but SEC defenses are no cakewalk. He held up just fine. IMO if the Vikings use him solely as a slot WR and to run a few reverses, it limits his potential value to the team.
 
No one questions whether Harvin can be a very effective situational runner. The question in my mind is do they want to subject him to the abuse? Running a couple of reverses is one thing; running out of the backfield where defensive lineman and LBs get clean shots on you is another.
:( I'd say he was just as valuable to UF as he is to the Vikings, yet they used him extensively that way. I know NFL defenses are tougher than college defenses, but SEC defenses are no cakewalk. He held up just fine. IMO if the Vikings use him solely as a slot WR and to run a few reverses, it limits his potential value to the team.
The SEC isn't close to the size and speed of the NFL defenses. Factor in his migraines and how many big hits from lineman and linebackers do you want to risk? Plus, you just traded away your third round pick to move up and take a guy who take some of the punishment away from ADP. The Vikings are talking about how good Gerhart's hands are too eventhough he wasn't used that way by Stanford.

http://www.twincities.com/ci_14999073?source=most_viewed

On and off the field, Vikings rookie Gerhart is a young man of many talents

On and off the field, Vikings rookie Toby Gerhart is a young man of many talents.

By Brian Murphy

brianmurphy@pioneerpress.com

Updated: 05/01/2010 10:46:15 PM CDT

Vikings rookie tailback Toby Gerhart bears the trademarks of a classic football player — granite jaw, tightly cropped hair and a barrel-chested physique that strains the jersey.

Underneath that athletic veneer, however, is an enterprising individual with multiple personas and broad responsibilities.

There is the ambitious scholar and high school valedictorian driven to take a 21-credit course load during his senior season at Stanford.

The master sibling of six athletically and academically gifted children raised by two teachers, one a former professional football player, the other a high school basketball standout.

The willing jester in a pair of digital short films showcasing a self-effacing wit that has gone viral.

And during this weekend's rookie camp at Winter Park, Gerhart started auditioning for a new role, replacing departed free agent Chester Taylor as Adrian Peterson's wingman in the Minnesota backfield.

The 2009 Heisman Trophy runner-up and most productive running back in college football last year got his first taste of life in the NFL at Friday's practice. He soaked it all in, from the nameplate in the locker room and special-teams drills to his introduction to the Vikings' offensive scheme.

"It's kind of surreal," he said. "Me and Everson (Griffen) were talking about that in the locker room. He goes, 'Man, could you sleep last night?' I was like, 'No, not really.'

"It was kind of nerve-racking. It's fun to walk in there and see your name on a locker, get a helmet, get a jersey. Just living the dream."

BIG SHOES TO FILL

The Vikings coveted the punishing ball carrier so much, they traded two picks to the Houston Texans to move up in the second round and draft Gerhart 51st overall.

At 6 feet 1, 231 pounds, Gerhart gives Minnesota options — to spare Peterson from more pounding or to unleash a battering ram to punish defenders in short-yardage and goal-line situations.

Gerhart said he met Peterson briefly at the Super Bowl and shook hands with his potential partner.

"About broke my hand," he said.

Notwithstanding his credentials and the Vikings' confidence in his ability, Gerhart realizes these preseason camps are for him to shut up, listen and learn.

Asked how he expects to assimilate, Gerhart said no fewer than four times that he will work hard and contribute whatever he can to make the team, from complementing Peterson to mashing it up on special teams.

"There's always pressure. You're trying to make the team and replace a great player," he said about Taylor, who signed as a free agent with the Chicago Bears.

"It's big shoes to fill. But I'm going to work hard and do what's asked of me and embrace the role that's

asked of me."

The Vikings drafted Gerhart to be a tailback. Coach Brad Childress said his pass-catching ability was somewhat underrated and that Gerhart could be used out of the backfield. Childress said this is not a blocking back; this is a player who can split wide as a receiver.

He lauded Gerhart's hand-to-eye coordination, referring to his baseball career. At Stanford, Gerhart played three years in the outfield, hitting a home run in the 2008 College World Series.

"Don't," Childress said, "put him in a box."

CAPTAIN VIDEO

Last year unfolded like a fairy tale for Gerhart and the Cardinal, who earned their first bowl berth (the Sun Bowl) in eight years.

Gerhart led the country with 1,871 yards and 28 touchdowns, finishing 28 points behind Alabama's Mark Ingram in Heisman voting — the closest race in the 75-year history of the award.

Gerhart's profile received an unexpected boost courtesy of YouTube.

In front of the camera, Gerhart proved a capable straight man in a pair of Stanford athletics promotional videos that garnered national attention.

One fused an interview of Gerhart soberly discussing how he balances playing baseball and football with a bit showing him trying out for several sports to the mock consternation of his fellow Cardinal athletes.

He used a baseball bat to drive golf balls from the tee box and two-handed swings to smash returns out of a tennis court. He intercepted a pass in field hockey and galloped for a touchdown.

Wearing his football helmet, Gerhart lined up in a three-point stance on the starting platform and did a cannonball as the freestyle swimmers launched into a race.

The money shot kept Gerhart in the pool with the women's synchronized swimming team, which led him through several routines before he was lifted out of the water atop a pyramid.

"He was willing to try anything," said video director Bud Anderson. "He was as good doing this as he was running for 100 yards."

The five-minute video was shot in June to help promote non-revenue sports. By fall, as Gerhart's Heisman campaign intensified, the tongue-in-cheek clip was being played during games at Stanford Stadium and on "SportsCenter" en route to more than 47,000 page views on YouTube.

Anderson quickly scripted a sequel in October, with the deadpan Gerhart auditioning for a role in an a cappella singing troupe. It also features Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh on stage, barking at Gerhart, "C'mon, you gotta stay on top of the note! Project!"

Said Anderson, "Oftentimes, you don't realize how much someone has to offer until you get them in the right situation and realize they can do anything. Toby's multitalented."

MAKING THE GRADE

Depth of character drives the narrative provided by those closest to Gerhart.

"He's the type of guy who truly pays attention to my kids when they talk to him, and that's why they love him," said his agent, David Dunn. "There's a genuineness about him that sticks out."

Wande Olabisi, who played baseball and lived with Gerhart on campus for three years, describes his former roommate as confident yet humble, a high-minded student who was not above pulling the occasional practical joke.

"We were paranoid freshmen who were always locking our doors twice," recalled Olabisi, a minor league prospect for the San Diego Padres.

"One day, I came home and he was standing there, wide-eyed, and said both our laptops were stolen. I'm going crazy, yelling at him for not locking the doors. I'm on the verge of going after him when he pulls the laptops out from under the bed with this huge smile on his face."

Gerhart majored in management science and engineering. By taking 21 credits last fall, he was able to take off winter semester to prepare for the NFL combine and draft and is scheduled to graduate this spring.

Olabisi envisions Gerhart as a venture capitalist or entrepreneur if he were not playing football.

"I could definitely see him being part of a Fortune 500 company; he has that kind of ambition, that type of drive," Olabisi said.

The oldest of Todd and Lori Gerhart's six children, Toby also is the standard bearer for a family that prioritizes academic achievement.

"Around the kitchen table, you were made fun of if you got a B," Todd Gerhart said. "It was all A's in our family."

The boys excel in football, the girls at softball.

Garth, 21, is a center for Arizona State. The baby, Coltin, 14, quarterbacked his eighth-grade team.

Then, there are the 18-year-old triplets, Teagan, Kelsey and Whitley. Teagan and Kelsey are softball pitcher and catcher, respectively, at Stanford; Whitley plays for Cal Poly San Luis Obispo.

As the oldest, Toby Gerhart acknowledges he had it easier because he set the bar for the others. At the same time, he carries the burden of expectations.

"You're the one they look at as an example, so you've got to be on your best behavior and do things the right way," said Gerhart, who used to braid his sisters' hair before school when they were children.

"I come from a great family. It's been a great ride. All my brothers and sisters are doing great things."

CHIP OFF THE OLD BLOCK

Under his father's tutelage at Norco High School, 40 miles east of Los Angeles, Gerhart led the country in rushing in 2006 and set California's career record with 9,662 yards.

Running with the football he got from his dad.

Todd was an all-conference running back at Cal State Fullerton (1981-84) and played two years for the Denver Gold of the United States Football League.

After the USFL folded in the summer of 1986, Todd flew to Minnesota hoping to land one of the few remaining jobs available with the Vikings.

Memories from Mankato, where the Vikings hold training camp, are hazy. There was a touchdown catch from Wade Wilson, eating lunch with Mike Tice and getting run over in the backfield by Chris Doleman.

"He left shoe footprints on me," Todd said.

By the end of the week, the Vikings told Todd to return the playbook and sent him packing with the clothes he brought, not one thing more.

"I remember I tried to grab a pair of gym shorts, but the trainer saw it and yelled at me to give 'em back," he said.

A 1987 tryout with the Houston Oilers ended the same way, so Todd Gerhart rejoined his wife and newborn son, Toby, in California. Four years later, he started coaching.

Todd Gerhart avoided coaching his sons in youth football to avoid "burning them out on Dad." He deferred to Harbaugh at Stanford but has been known to text Toby with notes about his footwork or hitting holes.

Above all, he instilled in his oldest son the fear of complacency.

"Never be content," Toby Gerhart said Friday. "When you think you've made it, you haven't. Keep working to be the best. Every day's a new battle. You've got to be better. Don't be satisfied with a practice today. Improve yourself tomorrow."

 
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#1 IMO, that has been as much luck as anything. He fumbles, a lot. He may not have LOST many on the goal-line, but he's coughed it up for sure. While my back-breaking comment should have been more general (rather than attached to goal-line situations) fumbling is a back-breaker nearly anywhere on the field.
Given the fact that the Vikings won all but one of the games he fumbled in last year, I guess we have different definitions of "back-breaker."
Well, he fumbled twice in the playoff game they lost that prevented them from going to the Superbowl (the game, not the fumbles directly necessarily).Look, I'm not trying to argue that Peterson is anything less than a superb talent. I'm just saying the guy fumbles. A LOT. Whether you do the head in sand thing or not, it's an issue. And if you don't think the coaching staff has noticed this, you are kidding yourself. No, they are not going to "bench" him for it, he's way too good. But that doesn't mean they won't devise roles for other players in situations where it is extra critical to hang on to the ball, and where you don't need to worry about a long gainer (i.e. the goal-line) that Peterson brings to the table so admirably.
But as others have pointed out, AP's as good as it gets at converting at the goal line as well. It's not just the "long gainers" he excels at. If the Vikings are on the goal line, HE gives them the BEST CHANCE to convert it. So pulling him for an unproven rookie makes zero sense. Also, just because a guy is good in college at something does not mean it will translate in the NFL. Gerhart has proven nothing. What reason do the Vikings have to put a rookie in at the goal line if they have the best person in the league at that? The argument just does not make sense.
They won't just give him the role, but if he does well in camp and then preseason and then they give him a chance in a game early in the season, he won't be "unproven" anymore. If he fails, he may not get another chance for a while. If he succeeds, even if he is only as good as ADP they might use in g/l situation to spare ADP's body. You take a lot of pounding in those situations. That's the main reason why I could see it happening.
So you agree he currently has no role and has to earn just being the backup, which is a pretty limited role on the Vikings to begin with. I am curious why anyone would just assume the Vikings would start trying Gerhart as the goal line back when they don't need to upgrade their goal line running? And if Gerhart has no role, and the one he is going to try and win is pretty limited, how is Gerhart any kind of concern for AP or his owners? AP owners have had a pretty good backup RB behind AP since the beginning. And Taylor was a proven back that we all knew could play. Yet he didn't really affect AP's numbers that much. So now there's a rookie, that has to prove he can translate to the NFL, who has a much more limited skill set than Taylor has, and we are supposed to be concerned about how he will affect AP's numbers? This is silly. I get that people are disappointed that Gerhart went to a team that he is at best the backup, but that is the reality of the situation.
 
No one questions whether Harvin can be a very effective situational runner. The question in my mind is do they want to subject him to the abuse? Running a couple of reverses is one thing; running out of the backfield where defensive lineman and LBs get clean shots on you is another.
:rolleyes: I'd say he was just as valuable to UF as he is to the Vikings, yet they used him extensively that way. I know NFL defenses are tougher than college defenses, but SEC defenses are no cakewalk. He held up just fine. IMO if the Vikings use him solely as a slot WR and to run a few reverses, it limits his potential value to the team.
The SEC isn't close to the size and speed of the NFL defenses. Factor in his migraines and how many big hits from lineman and linebackers do you want to risk? Plus, you just traded away your third round pick to move up and take a guy who take some of the punishment away from ADP. The Vikings are talking about how good Gerhart's hands are too eventhough he wasn't used that way by Stanford.

http://www.twincities.com/ci_14999073?source=most_viewed

On and off the field, Vikings rookie Gerhart is a young man of many talents

On and off the field, Vikings rookie Toby Gerhart is a young man of many talents.

By Brian Murphy

brianmurphy@pioneerpress.com

Updated: 05/01/2010 10:46:15 PM CDT

Vikings rookie tailback Toby Gerhart bears the trademarks of a classic football player — granite jaw, tightly cropped hair and a barrel-chested physique that strains the jersey.

Underneath that athletic veneer, however, is an enterprising individual with multiple personas and broad responsibilities.

There is the ambitious scholar and high school valedictorian driven to take a 21-credit course load during his senior season at Stanford.

The master sibling of six athletically and academically gifted children raised by two teachers, one a former professional football player, the other a high school basketball standout.

The willing jester in a pair of digital short films showcasing a self-effacing wit that has gone viral.

And during this weekend's rookie camp at Winter Park, Gerhart started auditioning for a new role, replacing departed free agent Chester Taylor as Adrian Peterson's wingman in the Minnesota backfield.

The 2009 Heisman Trophy runner-up and most productive running back in college football last year got his first taste of life in the NFL at Friday's practice. He soaked it all in, from the nameplate in the locker room and special-teams drills to his introduction to the Vikings' offensive scheme.

"It's kind of surreal," he said. "Me and Everson (Griffen) were talking about that in the locker room. He goes, 'Man, could you sleep last night?' I was like, 'No, not really.'

"It was kind of nerve-racking. It's fun to walk in there and see your name on a locker, get a helmet, get a jersey. Just living the dream."

BIG SHOES TO FILL

The Vikings coveted the punishing ball carrier so much, they traded two picks to the Houston Texans to move up in the second round and draft Gerhart 51st overall.

At 6 feet 1, 231 pounds, Gerhart gives Minnesota options — to spare Peterson from more pounding or to unleash a battering ram to punish defenders in short-yardage and goal-line situations.

Gerhart said he met Peterson briefly at the Super Bowl and shook hands with his potential partner.

"About broke my hand," he said.

Notwithstanding his credentials and the Vikings' confidence in his ability, Gerhart realizes these preseason camps are for him to shut up, listen and learn.

Asked how he expects to assimilate, Gerhart said no fewer than four times that he will work hard and contribute whatever he can to make the team, from complementing Peterson to mashing it up on special teams.

"There's always pressure. You're trying to make the team and replace a great player," he said about Taylor, who signed as a free agent with the Chicago Bears.

"It's big shoes to fill. But I'm going to work hard and do what's asked of me and embrace the role that's

asked of me."

The Vikings drafted Gerhart to be a tailback. Coach Brad Childress said his pass-catching ability was somewhat underrated and that Gerhart could be used out of the backfield. Childress said this is not a blocking back; this is a player who can split wide as a receiver.

He lauded Gerhart's hand-to-eye coordination, referring to his baseball career. At Stanford, Gerhart played three years in the outfield, hitting a home run in the 2008 College World Series.

"Don't," Childress said, "put him in a box."

CAPTAIN VIDEO

Last year unfolded like a fairy tale for Gerhart and the Cardinal, who earned their first bowl berth (the Sun Bowl) in eight years.

Gerhart led the country with 1,871 yards and 28 touchdowns, finishing 28 points behind Alabama's Mark Ingram in Heisman voting — the closest race in the 75-year history of the award.

Gerhart's profile received an unexpected boost courtesy of YouTube.

In front of the camera, Gerhart proved a capable straight man in a pair of Stanford athletics promotional videos that garnered national attention.

One fused an interview of Gerhart soberly discussing how he balances playing baseball and football with a bit showing him trying out for several sports to the mock consternation of his fellow Cardinal athletes.

He used a baseball bat to drive golf balls from the tee box and two-handed swings to smash returns out of a tennis court. He intercepted a pass in field hockey and galloped for a touchdown.

Wearing his football helmet, Gerhart lined up in a three-point stance on the starting platform and did a cannonball as the freestyle swimmers launched into a race.

The money shot kept Gerhart in the pool with the women's synchronized swimming team, which led him through several routines before he was lifted out of the water atop a pyramid.

"He was willing to try anything," said video director Bud Anderson. "He was as good doing this as he was running for 100 yards."

The five-minute video was shot in June to help promote non-revenue sports. By fall, as Gerhart's Heisman campaign intensified, the tongue-in-cheek clip was being played during games at Stanford Stadium and on "SportsCenter" en route to more than 47,000 page views on YouTube.

Anderson quickly scripted a sequel in October, with the deadpan Gerhart auditioning for a role in an a cappella singing troupe. It also features Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh on stage, barking at Gerhart, "C'mon, you gotta stay on top of the note! Project!"

Said Anderson, "Oftentimes, you don't realize how much someone has to offer until you get them in the right situation and realize they can do anything. Toby's multitalented."

MAKING THE GRADE

Depth of character drives the narrative provided by those closest to Gerhart.

"He's the type of guy who truly pays attention to my kids when they talk to him, and that's why they love him," said his agent, David Dunn. "There's a genuineness about him that sticks out."

Wande Olabisi, who played baseball and lived with Gerhart on campus for three years, describes his former roommate as confident yet humble, a high-minded student who was not above pulling the occasional practical joke.

"We were paranoid freshmen who were always locking our doors twice," recalled Olabisi, a minor league prospect for the San Diego Padres.

"One day, I came home and he was standing there, wide-eyed, and said both our laptops were stolen. I'm going crazy, yelling at him for not locking the doors. I'm on the verge of going after him when he pulls the laptops out from under the bed with this huge smile on his face."

Gerhart majored in management science and engineering. By taking 21 credits last fall, he was able to take off winter semester to prepare for the NFL combine and draft and is scheduled to graduate this spring.

Olabisi envisions Gerhart as a venture capitalist or entrepreneur if he were not playing football.

"I could definitely see him being part of a Fortune 500 company; he has that kind of ambition, that type of drive," Olabisi said.

The oldest of Todd and Lori Gerhart's six children, Toby also is the standard bearer for a family that prioritizes academic achievement.

"Around the kitchen table, you were made fun of if you got a B," Todd Gerhart said. "It was all A's in our family."

The boys excel in football, the girls at softball.

Garth, 21, is a center for Arizona State. The baby, Coltin, 14, quarterbacked his eighth-grade team.

Then, there are the 18-year-old triplets, Teagan, Kelsey and Whitley. Teagan and Kelsey are softball pitcher and catcher, respectively, at Stanford; Whitley plays for Cal Poly San Luis Obispo.

As the oldest, Toby Gerhart acknowledges he had it easier because he set the bar for the others. At the same time, he carries the burden of expectations.

"You're the one they look at as an example, so you've got to be on your best behavior and do things the right way," said Gerhart, who used to braid his sisters' hair before school when they were children.

"I come from a great family. It's been a great ride. All my brothers and sisters are doing great things."

CHIP OFF THE OLD BLOCK

Under his father's tutelage at Norco High School, 40 miles east of Los Angeles, Gerhart led the country in rushing in 2006 and set California's career record with 9,662 yards.

Running with the football he got from his dad.

Todd was an all-conference running back at Cal State Fullerton (1981-84) and played two years for the Denver Gold of the United States Football League.

After the USFL folded in the summer of 1986, Todd flew to Minnesota hoping to land one of the few remaining jobs available with the Vikings.

Memories from Mankato, where the Vikings hold training camp, are hazy. There was a touchdown catch from Wade Wilson, eating lunch with Mike Tice and getting run over in the backfield by Chris Doleman.

"He left shoe footprints on me," Todd said.

By the end of the week, the Vikings told Todd to return the playbook and sent him packing with the clothes he brought, not one thing more.

"I remember I tried to grab a pair of gym shorts, but the trainer saw it and yelled at me to give 'em back," he said.

A 1987 tryout with the Houston Oilers ended the same way, so Todd Gerhart rejoined his wife and newborn son, Toby, in California. Four years later, he started coaching.

Todd Gerhart avoided coaching his sons in youth football to avoid "burning them out on Dad." He deferred to Harbaugh at Stanford but has been known to text Toby with notes about his footwork or hitting holes.

Above all, he instilled in his oldest son the fear of complacency.

"Never be content," Toby Gerhart said Friday. "When you think you've made it, you haven't. Keep working to be the best. Every day's a new battle. You've got to be better. Don't be satisfied with a practice today. Improve yourself tomorrow."
Isn't this just the typical fluff articles we read about every rookie every year? Kind of like Wade Phillips saying Bryant is the most impressive rookie he's seen practice "in 33 years of coaching." Everyone is all psyched about there rookies this time of year.

 
The Vikings drafted Gerhart to be a tailback. Coach Brad Childress said his pass-catching ability was somewhat underrated and that Gerhart could be used out of the backfield. Childress said this is not a blocking back; this is a player who can split wide as a receiver.

He lauded Gerhart's hand-to-eye coordination, referring to his baseball career. At Stanford, Gerhart played three years in the outfield, hitting a home run in the 2008 College World Series.

"Don't," Childress said, "put him in a box."
It's mostly fluff but this piece is at least provocative. You can discount is as "fluff," but the HC here is directly speaking to the potential role of a highly drafted rookie. They drafted this player to replace another player who caught the ball quite a bit. They traded away their third round pick to secure him. When the HC tells me he can catch and that they intend to use him in a variety of ways, I tend to credit it.In contrast, the Bryant quote is a qualitative comment and it is clearly hyperbole. This is a statement about a man's role on the team. He isn't saying that Gerhart is the best pass catching back rookie he has ever coached. Apples and oranges.

 
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The Vikings drafted Gerhart to be a tailback. Coach Brad Childress said his pass-catching ability was somewhat underrated and that Gerhart could be used out of the backfield. Childress said this is not a blocking back; this is a player who can split wide as a receiver.

He lauded Gerhart's hand-to-eye coordination, referring to his baseball career. At Stanford, Gerhart played three years in the outfield, hitting a home run in the 2008 College World Series.

"Don't," Childress said, "put him in a box."
It's mostly fluff but this piece is at least provocative. You can discount is as "fluff," but the HC here is directly speaking to the potential role of a highly drafted rookie. They drafted this player to replace another player who caught the ball quite a bit. They traded away their third round pick to secure him. When the HC tells me he can catch and that they intend to use him in a variety of ways, I tend to credit it.In contrast, the Bryant quote is a qualitative comment and it is clearly hyperbole. This is a statement about a man's role on the team. He isn't saying that Gerhart is the best pass catching back rookie he has ever coached. Apples and oranges.
I do not distinguish between this and any other fluff article in the spring. But we can examine the source and the actual "quality" that he applies to Gerhart. Consider:I am sure Childress would have told us that Tavaris Jackson was going to be a great player after seeing him for one weekend his rookie year and over-drafting him.

But more to the point, about this: "The Vikings drafted Gerhart to be a tailback. Coach Brad Childress said his pass-catching ability was somewhat underrated and that Gerhart could be used out of the backfield. Childress said this is not a blocking back; this is a player who can split wide as a receiver."

He lauded Gerhart's hand-to-eye coordination, referring to his baseball career. At Stanford, Gerhart played three years in the outfield, hitting a home run in the 2008 College World Series."

He does not say he's a great reciever, or even very good, just that he's "somewhat underrated." And then praises Gerhart's hand-to-eye coordination, which I take to mean Chlidress thinks he can develop into a solid reciever. Not that it is something he already does well. He also does not say that Gerhart is going to be the 3rd down back, only that he could be used out of the backfield.

So not only does he need to learn the offense, show he has the ability to run the ball in the NFL, but also learn to catch the ball out of the backfield, something he RARELY did in college. How on earth does this translate to a guy that is likely to cause a drop in AP's production? Or moreover, why would we assume he would?

 
The Vikings drafted Gerhart to be a tailback. Coach Brad Childress said his pass-catching ability was somewhat underrated and that Gerhart could be used out of the backfield. Childress said this is not a blocking back; this is a player who can split wide as a receiver.

He lauded Gerhart's hand-to-eye coordination, referring to his baseball career. At Stanford, Gerhart played three years in the outfield, hitting a home run in the 2008 College World Series.

"Don't," Childress said, "put him in a box."
It's mostly fluff but this piece is at least provocative. You can discount is as "fluff," but the HC here is directly speaking to the potential role of a highly drafted rookie. They drafted this player to replace another player who caught the ball quite a bit. They traded away their third round pick to secure him. When the HC tells me he can catch and that they intend to use him in a variety of ways, I tend to credit it.In contrast, the Bryant quote is a qualitative comment and it is clearly hyperbole. This is a statement about a man's role on the team. He isn't saying that Gerhart is the best pass catching back rookie he has ever coached. Apples and oranges.
I do not distinguish between this and any other fluff article in the spring. But we can examine the source and the actual "quality" that he applies to Gerhart. Consider:I am sure Childress would have told us that Tavaris Jackson was going to be a great player after seeing him for one weekend his rookie year and over-drafting him.

But more to the point, about this: "The Vikings drafted Gerhart to be a tailback. Coach Brad Childress said his pass-catching ability was somewhat underrated and that Gerhart could be used out of the backfield. Childress said this is not a blocking back; this is a player who can split wide as a receiver."

He lauded Gerhart's hand-to-eye coordination, referring to his baseball career. At Stanford, Gerhart played three years in the outfield, hitting a home run in the 2008 College World Series."

He does not say he's a great reciever, or even very good, just that he's "somewhat underrated." And then praises Gerhart's hand-to-eye coordination, which I take to mean Chlidress thinks he can develop into a solid reciever. Not that it is something he already does well. He also does not say that Gerhart is going to be the 3rd down back, only that he could be used out of the backfield.

So not only does he need to learn the offense, show he has the ability to run the ball in the NFL, but also learn to catch the ball out of the backfield, something he RARELY did in college. How on earth does this translate to a guy that is likely to cause a drop in AP's production? Or moreover, why would we assume he would?
I never said that this would translate into a d drop in ADP's production. That was never my point.My point is more about Gerhart than it is about ADP. People who say he is "just a handcuff" and suggest that he isn't very good are wrong IMO. I think he steps into Taylor's role and maybe gets a few more red zone opportunities. It might cut into ADP's TDs a bit but not a huge amount.

Here's how I look at it. Three years ago I took Jonathan Stewart knowing that Carolina had a first round RB in Deangelo Williams. I took Stewart because I thought he had top end talent and one day would be a featured back. I still do. I don't regret drafting him and I doubt anyone else who did does either. Unless ADP gets hurt I don't expect to start Gerhart this year. I don't expect to start him next year. But it wouldn't surprise me at all if I AM starting him by year three. ADP is 25 now and will be 28 then. He takes a beating because of his running style. I could be wrong, and as a Viking fan, hope that I am, but I don't think ADP is the kind of back who has a ten year type career. And, it wouldn't surprise me a bit to see him injured in the next year or two and for Gerhart to be a very good replacement.

I'll be honest: I think that not only did some NFL teams overlook him because of his race, but I think a lot of fantasy players are doing the same. He was the most productive RB in NCAA last season and he put up some very good measurables at the Combine. The Vikes didn't trade away a valuable third round pick to let Gerhart sit on the bench for the next five years. He will get his chances.

 
Gerhart will steal a handful of TDs, annoying the ADP owners, sure. No big deal, he'll still score a lot. If I had to nitpick ADP it would be due to his apparent propensity to wear down already. He asks himself into tons of collisions, unwarranted contact. Last year it was sooo obvious he was sore (a guy I know in the business said Adrian's back was gimpy all year). Plus that Metrodome carpet is a killer.

 
Gerhart will steal a handful of TDs, annoying the ADP owners, sure. No big deal, he'll still score a lot. If I had to nitpick ADP it would be due to his apparent propensity to wear down already. He asks himself into tons of collisions, unwarranted contact. Last year it was sooo obvious he was sore (a guy I know in the business said Adrian's back was gimpy all year). Plus that Metrodome carpet is a killer.
They play on Field Turf now.
 
The Vikings drafted Gerhart to be a tailback. Coach Brad Childress said his pass-catching ability was somewhat underrated and that Gerhart could be used out of the backfield. Childress said this is not a blocking back; this is a player who can split wide as a receiver.

He lauded Gerhart's hand-to-eye coordination, referring to his baseball career. At Stanford, Gerhart played three years in the outfield, hitting a home run in the 2008 College World Series.

"Don't," Childress said, "put him in a box."
It's mostly fluff but this piece is at least provocative. You can discount is as "fluff," but the HC here is directly speaking to the potential role of a highly drafted rookie. They drafted this player to replace another player who caught the ball quite a bit. They traded away their third round pick to secure him. When the HC tells me he can catch and that they intend to use him in a variety of ways, I tend to credit it.In contrast, the Bryant quote is a qualitative comment and it is clearly hyperbole. This is a statement about a man's role on the team. He isn't saying that Gerhart is the best pass catching back rookie he has ever coached. Apples and oranges.
I do not distinguish between this and any other fluff article in the spring. But we can examine the source and the actual "quality" that he applies to Gerhart. Consider:I am sure Childress would have told us that Tavaris Jackson was going to be a great player after seeing him for one weekend his rookie year and over-drafting him.

But more to the point, about this: "The Vikings drafted Gerhart to be a tailback. Coach Brad Childress said his pass-catching ability was somewhat underrated and that Gerhart could be used out of the backfield. Childress said this is not a blocking back; this is a player who can split wide as a receiver."

He lauded Gerhart's hand-to-eye coordination, referring to his baseball career. At Stanford, Gerhart played three years in the outfield, hitting a home run in the 2008 College World Series."

He does not say he's a great reciever, or even very good, just that he's "somewhat underrated." And then praises Gerhart's hand-to-eye coordination, which I take to mean Chlidress thinks he can develop into a solid reciever. Not that it is something he already does well. He also does not say that Gerhart is going to be the 3rd down back, only that he could be used out of the backfield.

So not only does he need to learn the offense, show he has the ability to run the ball in the NFL, but also learn to catch the ball out of the backfield, something he RARELY did in college. How on earth does this translate to a guy that is likely to cause a drop in AP's production? Or moreover, why would we assume he would?
I never said that this would translate into a d drop in ADP's production. That was never my point.My point is more about Gerhart than it is about ADP. People who say he is "just a handcuff" and suggest that he isn't very good are wrong IMO. I think he steps into Taylor's role and maybe gets a few more red zone opportunities. It might cut into ADP's TDs a bit but not a huge amount.

Here's how I look at it. Three years ago I took Jonathan Stewart knowing that Carolina had a first round RB in Deangelo Williams. I took Stewart because I thought he had top end talent and one day would be a featured back. I still do. I don't regret drafting him and I doubt anyone else who did does either. Unless ADP gets hurt I don't expect to start Gerhart this year. I don't expect to start him next year. But it wouldn't surprise me at all if I AM starting him by year three. ADP is 25 now and will be 28 then. He takes a beating because of his running style. I could be wrong, and as a Viking fan, hope that I am, but I don't think ADP is the kind of back who has a ten year type career. And, it wouldn't surprise me a bit to see him injured in the next year or two and for Gerhart to be a very good replacement.

I'll be honest: I think that not only did some NFL teams overlook him because of his race, but I think a lot of fantasy players are doing the same. He was the most productive RB in NCAA last season and he put up some very good measurables at the Combine. The Vikes didn't trade away a valuable third round pick to let Gerhart sit on the bench for the next five years. He will get his chances.
I think part of the reason they were willing to give up the 3rd to get Gerhart is that they are looking toward 2012 which is a voidable year for ADP. It's very likely that ADP will want a new contract next year and he's not going to be cheap - he's probably going to want the richest RB contract (and deservedly so). If Gerhart works out I can easily see Gerhart starting for the Vikes in 2012.
 
cstu said:
The Vikings drafted Gerhart to be a tailback. Coach Brad Childress said his pass-catching ability was somewhat underrated and that Gerhart could be used out of the backfield. Childress said this is not a blocking back; this is a player who can split wide as a receiver.

He lauded Gerhart's hand-to-eye coordination, referring to his baseball career. At Stanford, Gerhart played three years in the outfield, hitting a home run in the 2008 College World Series.

"Don't," Childress said, "put him in a box."
It's mostly fluff but this piece is at least provocative. You can discount is as "fluff," but the HC here is directly speaking to the potential role of a highly drafted rookie. They drafted this player to replace another player who caught the ball quite a bit. They traded away their third round pick to secure him. When the HC tells me he can catch and that they intend to use him in a variety of ways, I tend to credit it.In contrast, the Bryant quote is a qualitative comment and it is clearly hyperbole. This is a statement about a man's role on the team. He isn't saying that Gerhart is the best pass catching back rookie he has ever coached. Apples and oranges.
I do not distinguish between this and any other fluff article in the spring. But we can examine the source and the actual "quality" that he applies to Gerhart. Consider:I am sure Childress would have told us that Tavaris Jackson was going to be a great player after seeing him for one weekend his rookie year and over-drafting him.

But more to the point, about this: "The Vikings drafted Gerhart to be a tailback. Coach Brad Childress said his pass-catching ability was somewhat underrated and that Gerhart could be used out of the backfield. Childress said this is not a blocking back; this is a player who can split wide as a receiver."

He lauded Gerhart's hand-to-eye coordination, referring to his baseball career. At Stanford, Gerhart played three years in the outfield, hitting a home run in the 2008 College World Series."

He does not say he's a great reciever, or even very good, just that he's "somewhat underrated." And then praises Gerhart's hand-to-eye coordination, which I take to mean Chlidress thinks he can develop into a solid reciever. Not that it is something he already does well. He also does not say that Gerhart is going to be the 3rd down back, only that he could be used out of the backfield.

So not only does he need to learn the offense, show he has the ability to run the ball in the NFL, but also learn to catch the ball out of the backfield, something he RARELY did in college. How on earth does this translate to a guy that is likely to cause a drop in AP's production? Or moreover, why would we assume he would?
I never said that this would translate into a d drop in ADP's production. That was never my point.My point is more about Gerhart than it is about ADP. People who say he is "just a handcuff" and suggest that he isn't very good are wrong IMO. I think he steps into Taylor's role and maybe gets a few more red zone opportunities. It might cut into ADP's TDs a bit but not a huge amount.

Here's how I look at it. Three years ago I took Jonathan Stewart knowing that Carolina had a first round RB in Deangelo Williams. I took Stewart because I thought he had top end talent and one day would be a featured back. I still do. I don't regret drafting him and I doubt anyone else who did does either. Unless ADP gets hurt I don't expect to start Gerhart this year. I don't expect to start him next year. But it wouldn't surprise me at all if I AM starting him by year three. ADP is 25 now and will be 28 then. He takes a beating because of his running style. I could be wrong, and as a Viking fan, hope that I am, but I don't think ADP is the kind of back who has a ten year type career. And, it wouldn't surprise me a bit to see him injured in the next year or two and for Gerhart to be a very good replacement.

I'll be honest: I think that not only did some NFL teams overlook him because of his race, but I think a lot of fantasy players are doing the same. He was the most productive RB in NCAA last season and he put up some very good measurables at the Combine. The Vikes didn't trade away a valuable third round pick to let Gerhart sit on the bench for the next five years. He will get his chances.
I think part of the reason they were willing to give up the 3rd to get Gerhart is that they are looking toward 2012 which is a voidable year for ADP. It's very likely that ADP will want a new contract next year and he's not going to be cheap - he's probably going to want the richest RB contract (and deservedly soI ). If Gerhart works out I can easily see Gerhart starting for the Vikes in 2012.
I can't see his contract being an issue. He is the type of player that is not only going to get paid because he is one of the very best if not the best at his position, but also because he puts butts in the seats. And he sells jerseys and Vikings swag. In short, HE MAKES THE TEAM MONEY. So his contract is justifiable not only from a production standpoint. Letting him go at 26 would be a bit surprising to me at least.
 

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