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Adrian Peterson, retired (2 Viewers)

Doug B said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Of course, disaster, he was totally worn down and he had quit mentally. - You think AP is more like Campbell or Sanders?
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Dunno ... Peterson is probably more of a physical freak in his own way than either guy.

Earl Campbell came to the Saints with 1,979 career carries. Adrian Peterson is at 2,054** right now. Very different running styles, of course. And Peterson enjoys the benefits of modern medicine, as well.

But I was more riffing on the "it never goes away" part of post #2051.

** Spookily, this is post # 2,054 of this thread

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** Ha, yeah, that is spooky.

 
Rotoworld:

According to Yahoo's Charles Robinson, Adrian Peterson currently "looks like he has lived in the gym the last six months."
His arms reportedly "look like he could rip a keg in half." Peterson's incredible work ethic and dedication have never been in doubt, and played a key role in his 2,097-yard rebound from a torn ACL and MCL with meniscus damage in 2012. Although Peterson turns 30 this weekend, we fully expect him to come back roaring. He'll also have fresh legs after barely playing in 2014.

Source: Charles Robinson on Twitter
Mar 18 - 8:03 PM
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Minnesota went 7-9 last year without Peterson (for the most part). 3 years ago they were 10-6 and made the playoffs with Ponder as their QB. There is no reason to think they cannot compete for a wildcard within the next year or two if Bridgewater and their other young players continue to develop and improve, and I'd think they would want ADP to be along for that ride. I'd be shocked if Minnesota trades him for less than a #1 plus at least one more pick. The PR issues are completely overblown as most people wanted him back on the field last year.

 
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GreenNGold said:
Minnesota went 7-9 last year without Peterson (for the most part). 3 years ago they were 10-6 and made the playoffs with Ponder as their QB. There is no reason to think they cannot compete for a wildcard within the next year or two if Bridgewater and their other young players continue to develop and improve, and I'd think they would want ADP to be along for that ride. I'd be shocked if Minnesota trades him for less than a #1 plus at least one more pick. The PR issues are completely overblown as most people wanted him back on the field last year.
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There would be a pr issue if he was leading Detroit or another team on a playoff run looking like AP and they had just cut him without getting anything while they head for another mediocre season.... that pr situation could turn right back on them in a snap.

 
tommyGunZ said:
AP signing a FA contract with the Bolts would be a great fit. We are on his short list of teams, we're built to win now with an elite QB, improved OL, and a massive hole at RB.

Go get him Telesco.
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By elite you mean upper half?

 
Faust said:
Rotoworld:

According to Yahoo's Charles Robinson, Adrian Peterson currently "looks like he has lived in the gym the last six months."

His arms reportedly "look like he could rip a keg in half." Peterson's incredible work ethic and dedication have never been in doubt, and played a key role in his 2,097-yard rebound from a torn ACL and MCL with meniscus damage in 2012. Although Peterson turns 30 this weekend, we fully expect him to come back roaring. He'll also have fresh legs after barely playing in 2014.

Source: Charles Robinson on Twitter

Mar 18 - 8:03 PM
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Why would anyone want to rip a keg in half? You'd spill all the beer?

 
Who even thinks of such off color analogies? It would have been better to say, "look like he could beat some serious ###, and not just toddlers."

 
GreenNGold said:
Minnesota went 7-9 last year without Peterson (for the most part). 3 years ago they were 10-6 and made the playoffs with Ponder as their QB. There is no reason to think they cannot compete for a wildcard the division title within the next year or two if Bridgewater and their other young players continue to develop and improve, and I'd think they would want ADP to be along for that ride. I'd be shocked if Minnesota trades him for less than a #1 plus at least one more pick. The PR issues are completely overblown as most people wanted him back on the field last year.
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FunkyPlutos said:
GreenNGold said:
Minnesota went 7-9 last year without Peterson (for the most part). 3 years ago they were 10-6 and made the playoffs with Ponder as their QB. There is no reason to think they cannot compete for a wildcard the division title within the next year or two if Bridgewater and their other young players continue to develop and improve, and I'd think they would want ADP to be along for that ride. I'd be shocked if Minnesota trades him for less than a #1 plus at least one more pick. The PR issues are completely overblown as most people wanted him back on the field last year.
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This whole thing just completely misses what is actually going on. Peterson does not want to play for Minnesota.

The card the Vikings hold over Peterson, is they are likely the only team that would pay him the 12.75 million he is due this year. Nobody is going to give up a draft pick and then pay him that much money. There's only one Rex Ryan in the league.

The question will be if Peterson would rather play for DeMarco Murray kind of money, (which I'd assume other teams would pay him about 8/year) or the 12.75 from the Vikings. Its a ton of money to give up, not matter what the situation. Keep in mind though that Peterson has no more guaranteed money in this deal, and his base salaries go up to 14.75 and 16.75 over the next two years. Are the Vikings willing to pay that too? Guarantee it? I doubt it.

I think most likely outcome is Peterson gets traded to a contender like Arizona. Arizona could offer Peterson a deal with a lower annual average, but guarantee more than the 12.75 the Vikings would pay him this year. Let's say its a 3 year 27 million deal, with 15 million guaranteed. The Vikings would get to walk away with a mid round pick and without an ugly holdout situation. Peterson gets more money guaranteed, and the Cardinals get Peterson on what would amount to a roughly 2 year $18 million deal.

 
Kitrick Taylor said:
FunkyPlutos said:
GreenNGold said:
Minnesota went 7-9 last year without Peterson (for the most part). 3 years ago they were 10-6 and made the playoffs with Ponder as their QB. There is no reason to think they cannot compete for a wildcard the division title within the next year or two if Bridgewater and their other young players continue to develop and improve, and I'd think they would want ADP to be along for that ride. I'd be shocked if Minnesota trades him for less than a #1 plus at least one more pick. The PR issues are completely overblown as most people wanted him back on the field last year.
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This whole thing just completely misses what is actually going on. Peterson does not want to play for Minnesota.

The card the Vikings hold over Peterson, is they are likely the only team that would pay him the 12.75 million he is due this year. Nobody is going to give up a draft pick and then pay him that much money. There's only one Rex Ryan in the league.

The question will be if Peterson would rather play for DeMarco Murray kind of money, (which I'd assume other teams would pay him about 8/year) or the 12.75 from the Vikings. Its a ton of money to give up, not matter what the situation. Keep in mind though that Peterson has no more guaranteed money in this deal, and his base salaries go up to 14.75 and 16.75 over the next two years. Are the Vikings willing to pay that too? Guarantee it? I doubt it.

I think most likely outcome is Peterson gets traded to a contender like Arizona. Arizona could offer Peterson a deal with a lower annual average, but guarantee more than the 12.75 the Vikings would pay him this year. Let's say its a 3 year 27 million deal, with 15 million guaranteed. The Vikings would get to walk away with a mid round pick and without an ugly holdout situation. Peterson gets more money guaranteed, and the Cardinals get Peterson on what would amount to a roughly 2 year $18 million deal.
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What makes you think Peterson will hold out?

He has no leverage by doing so. If he holds out the Vikings can keep him under contract and not have to pay him then because he is holding out. Peterson does not get to play another year (or however long he holds out for) and he would still be under contract with the Vikings in 2016 as well.

He is not going to hold out. He wants to play and the Vikings are willing to pay him a lot of money to play.

 
Biabreakable said:
Kitrick Taylor said:
FunkyPlutos said:
GreenNGold said:
Minnesota went 7-9 last year without Peterson (for the most part). 3 years ago they were 10-6 and made the playoffs with Ponder as their QB. There is no reason to think they cannot compete for a wildcard the division title within the next year or two if Bridgewater and their other young players continue to develop and improve, and I'd think they would want ADP to be along for that ride. I'd be shocked if Minnesota trades him for less than a #1 plus at least one more pick. The PR issues are completely overblown as most people wanted him back on the field last year.
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This whole thing just completely misses what is actually going on. Peterson does not want to play for Minnesota.

The card the Vikings hold over Peterson, is they are likely the only team that would pay him the 12.75 million he is due this year. Nobody is going to give up a draft pick and then pay him that much money. There's only one Rex Ryan in the league.

The question will be if Peterson would rather play for DeMarco Murray kind of money, (which I'd assume other teams would pay him about 8/year) or the 12.75 from the Vikings. Its a ton of money to give up, not matter what the situation. Keep in mind though that Peterson has no more guaranteed money in this deal, and his base salaries go up to 14.75 and 16.75 over the next two years. Are the Vikings willing to pay that too? Guarantee it? I doubt it.

I think most likely outcome is Peterson gets traded to a contender like Arizona. Arizona could offer Peterson a deal with a lower annual average, but guarantee more than the 12.75 the Vikings would pay him this year. Let's say its a 3 year 27 million deal, with 15 million guaranteed. The Vikings would get to walk away with a mid round pick and without an ugly holdout situation. Peterson gets more money guaranteed, and the Cardinals get Peterson on what would amount to a roughly 2 year $18 million deal.
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What makes you think Peterson will hold out?

He has no leverage by doing so. If he holds out the Vikings can keep him under contract and not have to pay him then because he is holding out. Peterson does not get to play another year (or however long he holds out for) and he would still be under contract with the Vikings in 2016 as well.

He is not going to hold out. He wants to play and the Vikings are willing to pay him a lot of money to play.
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Holding out is his only leverage to force a trade or a release. I think he'd just hold out of training camp. Doubt he'd miss any weekly game checks.

Again, he doesn't want to play there any more. Peterson has no more guaranteed money in his deal. He probably has a very good idea what kind of guaranteed money he could get from another team. If that is more than the 12.75 that the Vikings would pay him this year, I'm sure it would have a lot of appeal to him. I think at the end of the day, it will be in the Vikings and Peterson's best interest for this not to get ugly. A hold out that lasts throughout training camp could get ugly.

 
Peterson has been held out of training camp for several seasons now. He always comes in top shape, so missing that training hasn't had any effect on his playing ability.

So it would be no real difference for him to hold out during training camp because he is unhappy with the team than it would be if he was happy with the team.

 
Biabreakable said:
Peterson has been held out of training camp for several seasons now. He always comes in top shape, so missing that training hasn't had any effect on his playing ability.

So it would be no real difference for him to hold out during training camp because he is unhappy with the team than it would be if he was happy with the team.
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No offense but your purple glasses are clouding your viewpoint here. Peterson holding out from training camp because he doesn't want to play for the Vikings anymore would be a big story, and unlike anything he's done in the past. Being ready to play the season has nothing to do with it.

 
I do think it's possible that he comes back to the Vikings. I just think they would have to change his mind through money. Something like guaranteeing him his 14.75 million in 2016 would probably do it. He likely wouldn't be able to get 2 years 27.5 guaranteed on the open market.

 
Kitrick Taylor said:
Biabreakable said:
Peterson has been held out of training camp for several seasons now. He always comes in top shape, so missing that training hasn't had any effect on his playing ability.

So it would be no real difference for him to hold out during training camp because he is unhappy with the team than it would be if he was happy with the team.
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No offense but your purple glasses are clouding your viewpoint here. Peterson holding out from training camp because he doesn't want to play for the Vikings anymore would be a big story, and unlike anything he's done in the past. Being ready to play the season has nothing to do with it.
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I agree it is a big story and will continue to be a big story until there is some sort of resolution that ends this story.

However the Vikings have intentionally held Peterson out of contact drills and other parts of training camp to avoid injury. They know he is in shape and will be ready to play. I don't think he has been a full participant since his first couple of seasons and certainly not since he had the knee injury. They keep him out of preseason games too.

So what would him holding out really accomplish?

I have heard some talk about increasing the guaranteed money of his contract as an incentive for him to stop complaining about how the team treated him.

The main issue he has with the team is that he was told he would be able to play last season, but that did not happen. There have been stories about the Vikings perhaps pulling strings to keep him from being reinstated. So his issue is not being able to play. How would holding out and threatening to not play have any affect on the Vikings decision here?

I do think the Vikings are willing to trade him if they can get reasonable compensation. No one wants a player on their team who does not really want to be there. The same thing happened with Percy Harvin before. The Vikings did trade him to Seattle and got very good compensation for him. But if they didn't get that offer the Vikings likely would have played him until his contract ran out. Malcontent or not.

 
Rotoworld:

According to Profootballtalk's Mike Florio, the Cardinals "continue to be the most likely destination" for Adrian Peterson.

Florio suggests trade details could be hammered out during the NFL's upcoming owners meetings in Arizona. Comments in support of the move from Larry Fitzgerald were recently published on the Cardinals' website. It's believed Arizona is willing to offer a "high draft pick," and the fit makes a ton of sense. The Cardinals recently spent a ton of money on power-blocking LG Mike Iupati. They currently don't have a power back.

Related: Cardinals

Source: Profootballtalk on NBC Sports
Mar 19 - 1:34 PM
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Phil Savage @SeniorBowlPhil · Mar 18

IMO, if @Vikings can get a #2 for AP, they will move him. Otherwise, he can sit for another year. Minn holds the cards here.

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/19/peterson-trade-to-arizona-could-soon-be-negotiated-in-arizona/

Peterson trade to Arizona could soon be negotiated in ArizonaPosted by Mike Florio on March 19, 2015, 10:10 AM EDT

If, as it appears, running back Adrian Peterson wants a fresh start and if, as is now obvious, the Vikings won’t release Peterson from the final three years of his contract, the options for Peterson are simple: (1) play for the Vikings; (2) play for no one; (3) hope for a trade.

Within a week, we’ll likely know a lot more. Over the weekend, all 32 teams will arrive in Arizona for the annual league meetings. The power brokers for every franchise will be present, with plenty of opportunities to have face-to-face conversations about any and all possible trades.

The Cardinals continue to be the most likely destination for Peterson. Despite Peter King’s report that the Cardinals won’t absorb Peterson’s current contract, the presence of comments supporting the move from Cardinals receiver Larry Fitzgerald — on the team’s official website — make it clear that the Cardinals remain in play, if they can work out compensation packages with the player and the team that holds his rights.

So what happens if the Vikings ultimately don’t like the offer they get from the Cardinals or anyone else? It’s still possible that team owners Zygi and Mark Wilf will tell Adrian that he can play for the Vikings or not play at all, and return the final $2.4 million installment on the $12 million signing bonus he received in 2011.

At a certain point, giving Peterson the “play in Minnesota or don’t play” option may be the best way to go. Unless the Vikings are getting the kind of compensation that would equate to what they would have expected to get from Peterson in 2015 and beyond, why should they give him a fresh start over something they didn’t do?

Yes, both Peterson and the team suffered the consequences of Peterson’s inability to play last year. But the consequences didn’t come from anything the Vikings did. Why should they give Peterson away to another team just because he prefers to play somewhere else in the aftermath of the mess that ultimately traces to his behavior?

I’ve always been a fan of Adrian Peterson. At some point, though, Adrian needs to realize that he did something he shouldn’t have done, and that the Vikings did nothing that they shouldn’t have done. While he may perceive that the Vikings were working with the NFL to keep him off the field in 2014 after he pleaded no contest to misdemeanor charges, the best explanation is that the team was simply going along with a mandate from Manhattan. For a team that nearly crashed the postseason party without him, surely the Vikings would have loved to get him back for the last six or seven games of the season.

They claim they’d love to get him back for 2015. They can prove that to Adrian and to everyone else by taking a hard line with Peterson and refusing to trade him. Unless the trade offers match what he means from a football standpoint, they should
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He's acting like a toddler. Somebody should get a switch. I hope the Vikes don't back down on this. Let him piss all over his legacy by acting like a baby.

 
Sabertooth said:
He's acting like a toddler. Somebody should get a switch. I hope the Vikes don't back down on this. Let him piss all over his legacy by acting like a baby.
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As much as it pains me to say it..."I agree with Sabertooth." :X

I don't want the Vikings to give in to him, but I am to the point of hoping he isn't a Viking because of the way he is acting. :loco:

 
Sabertooth said:
He's acting like a toddler. Somebody should get a switch. I hope the Vikes don't back down on this. Let him piss all over his legacy by acting like a baby.
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This. He has gone from my favorite player to being a real ##### in a flash. No responsibility for his actions. No remorse. The team didn't stand by him my ###. He got paid to sit on his ### last year. He owes the Vikings and he owes the fans. Not to mention he owes it to his kids to be a man and own up to all of this being his fault. For someone who claims he was only trying to be a good father by disciplining his child he is being a really ####ty role model.

 
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FunkyPlutos said:
Sabertooth said:
He's acting like a toddler. Somebody should get a switch. I hope the Vikes don't back down on this. Let him piss all over his legacy by acting like a baby.
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As much as it pains me to say it..."I agree with Sabertooth." :X

I don't want the Vikings to give in to him, but I am to the point of hoping he isn't a Viking because of the way he is acting. :loco:
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He could just retire.

Oh right, HOF running backs don't retire in the NFC North when they're upset with their teams.

(Yeah, I'm still somewhat bitter)

 
Barry had so much more class that Adrian too. Adrian has really shown his true colors and he's a despicable human being. First he put on a dog and pony show because of his biological son being killed by that boyfriend, only to find out that he wasn't a part of the poor child's life to the extent that he didn't even share a last name. Then this thing with whipping his kids with sticks. Makes you wonder what other skeletons he has. Just a total tool.

 
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Bracie Smathers said:
Phil Savage @SeniorBowlPhil · Mar 18

IMO, if @Vikings can get a #2 for AP, they will move him. Otherwise, he can sit for another year. Minn holds the cards here.
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Minnesota does not hold as many cards as Phil Savage thinks. Their only "leverage" is that they could trade Peterson to a team that isn't on his list. But that is very unlikely to happen due to the fact that very few teams are willing to take over his current contract.

 
Mr. Retukes said:
Bracie Smathers said:
Phil Savage @SeniorBowlPhil · Mar 18

IMO, if @Vikings can get a #2 for AP, they will move him. Otherwise, he can sit for another year. Minn holds the cards here.
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Minnesota does not hold as many cards as Phil Savage thinks. Their only "leverage" is that they could trade Peterson to a team that isn't on his list. But that is very unlikely to happen due to the fact that very few teams are willing to take over his current contract.
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The Vikings hold ALL of the cards here.

 
There were rumors that Arizona was offering a 2nd round pick last week and it was interesting listening to the Viking fans on twitter. They were saying stuff like "No way. It's a 1st or no deal". I was one of the few that said that I would take the 2nd round pick instantly.

Now I am thinking that a 2nd round pick is becoming unrealistic and I am expecting that he will get traded for a 4th.

 
Donnybrook said:
There were rumors that Arizona was offering a 2nd round pick last week and it was interesting listening to the Viking fans on twitter. They were saying stuff like "No way. It's a 1st or no deal". I was one of the few that said that I would take the 2nd round pick instantly.

Now I am thinking that a 2nd round pick is becoming unrealistic and I am expecting that he will get traded for a 4th.
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Isn't it mind blowing that Trent Richardson was traded for a 1st round pick two years ago and we seriously are stating its unlikely that Adrian Peterson could be traded for a 2nd round pick?

 
Biabreakable said:
Mr. Retukes said:
Bracie Smathers said:
Phil Savage @SeniorBowlPhil · Mar 18

IMO, if @Vikings can get a #2 for AP, they will move him. Otherwise, he can sit for another year. Minn holds the cards here.
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Minnesota does not hold as many cards as Phil Savage thinks. Their only "leverage" is that they could trade Peterson to a team that isn't on his list. But that is very unlikely to happen due to the fact that very few teams are willing to take over his current contract.
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The Vikings hold ALL of the cards here.
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They wouldn't be asking for a meeting with Peterson's agent if they held all the cards. (Peterson's agent would be asking for a meeting with them.)

 
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Bracie Smathers said:
Donnybrook said:
There were rumors that Arizona was offering a 2nd round pick last week and it was interesting listening to the Viking fans on twitter. They were saying stuff like "No way. It's a 1st or no deal". I was one of the few that said that I would take the 2nd round pick instantly.

Now I am thinking that a 2nd round pick is becoming unrealistic and I am expecting that he will get traded for a 4th.
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Isn't it mind blowing that Trent Richardson was traded for a 1st round pick two years ago and we seriously are stating its unlikely that Adrian Peterson could be traded for a 2nd round pick?
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He's 30 years old. Even if you forget about the off field issue, there's still that. Plus, his contract is at the top of the scale, and he plays a position most teams feel they get can get by on, on the cheap.

If the Vikings can get a middle round pick, they should take it and be happy. The Packers traded Brett Favre to the Jets for a 3rd round pick.

 
Kitrick Taylor said:
He's 30 years old. Even if you forget about the off field issue, there's still that. Plus, his contract is at the top of the scale, and he plays a position most teams feel they get can get by on, on the cheap.

If the Vikings can get a middle round pick, they should take it and be happy. The Packers traded Brett Favre to the Jets for a 3rd round pick.
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I see a lot of parallels to the GB-Favre divorce. In that case, the casual fan was very upset with the organization because they clearly wanted to go with Rodgers. In this case, the casual fans are going to be turning against Peterson because he clearly wants out.

 
I don't believe Arizonas 2nd round pick is enough.

Picks 1-10 in the 2nd, I would be ok with. And of course Arizonas 24th over all would bebetter than 1-10 in the 2nd.

 
Kitrick Taylor said:
Bracie Smathers said:
Donnybrook said:
There were rumors that Arizona was offering a 2nd round pick last week and it was interesting listening to the Viking fans on twitter. They were saying stuff like "No way. It's a 1st or no deal". I was one of the few that said that I would take the 2nd round pick instantly.

Now I am thinking that a 2nd round pick is becoming unrealistic and I am expecting that he will get traded for a 4th.
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Isn't it mind blowing that Trent Richardson was traded for a 1st round pick two years ago and we seriously are stating its unlikely that Adrian Peterson could be traded for a 2nd round pick?
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He's 30 years old. Even if you forget about the off field issue, there's still that. Plus, his contract is at the top of the scale, and he plays a position most teams feel they get can get by on, on the cheap.

If the Vikings can get a middle round pick, they should take it and be happy. The Packers traded Brett Favre to the Jets for a 3rd round pick.
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Teams will do stupid things when they think a guy is their missing piece...even the Seahawks did it with Harvin. Given the ages of Palmer and Fitz I would put it past them to give their 1st to make a run before those guys get too old. They surely aren't competing for the Super Bowl with only Ellington as their primary back, but put AD and Ellington in the backfield and that's something to be feared.

 
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