Adrian Peterson, retired (4 Viewers)

[Sabertooth]

Why is AP bent over whose knee? He just won in court totally and he's about to do it again. And he's probably in store for a very good season with 3 teams at least interested in his services.

The Vikings may or may not trade him. His football future rests in the hands of the organization that he keeps trying to provoke.

 

[Sabertooth]

Has Zimmer or Spielman ever given an indication what it would take in terms of compensation to acquire Adrian?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

The Vikes already had this internal hand wringing over whether to do the right thing last fall. There is no reason the same decision makers won't prevail, one or more persons in the front office don't want him there. Now the Vikes are stuck with the consequences of their actions.

That's an interesting way to look at it.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Has Zimmer or Spielman ever given an indication what it would take in terms of compensation to acquire Adrian?

I haven't heard anything, just the speculation (perhaps reporting) that Arizona was willing to offer a "high" pick. In fact the Vikings have not once said that they intend to trade him (which doesn't mean that they don't of course).

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Adrian Peterson - RB - Vikings

Coach Mike Zimmer said the Vikings "have no plans" to trade Adrian Peterson.

"We fully expect him to be here," Zimmer continued. "It's no different." It's the same tune the Vikings decision makers have been singing all offseason. The reality for Peterson is that the Vikings hold all of the cards. None of his salary is due until Week 1 and they have the cap room to carry him.

Source: Around the NFL

Mar 25 - 10:22 AM

 

[B-Deep]

Peterson situation exhausting but Vikings shouldn't budge.

Chip Scoggins is a Star Tribune sports columnist

Exactly ....

http://www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/297375691.html

the first comment is someone asking why the team does not just cut himummmm

because that would be dumb

if his salary isn't guaranteed and the Vikings don't think he's worth the contract, and no team makes an offer; why would cutting him be dumb?

Minnesota will have to pay a premium to keep Peterson, because he'll be more willing to reduce his salary to play for another team.

Peterson is calling Minnesota's bluff just as much as Minnesota is calling Peterson's bluff.

we really do not know that

he (like many in this thread) believes he is the best back in the nfl, he'll want paid like that

 

[B-Deep]

The Vikes already had this internal hand wringing over whether to do the right thing last fall. There is no reason the same decision makers won't prevail, one or more persons in the front office don't want him there. Now the Vikes are stuck with the consequences of their actions.

things were different last fall

now he is free of the charges, the memory is fading, hardy and mcdonald signed...the situation is different

 

[cstu]

I think about this situation in terms of how Ted Thompson handled the Favre situation. He just held his ground, let the storm wash over the organization, ate a sandwich, evaluated players, took a nap, and steered the ship according to what he knew needed to be done. No media leaks. No off color comments. Just acted like a pro the entire time. Favre on the other hand was doing interviews with anyone and everyone to get his way. Acting like a petulant little brat who didn't get his way. Just like Peterson is now. Thompson wrote the book on how to handle players like this. It's the Minnesota Vikings, not the Minnesota Adrian Petersons.

They are either get another team to offer up a significant pick (none have) or they keep him and require him to fulfill his contract. If he comes back, he will be welcomed back. If he holds out, he will be fined the maximum amount and have his pay docked according to the rules. The Vikings aren't trying to win this one in the media or anything like that. They are scouting players, evaulating their roster, and preparing for the draft. They are acting like professionals.

In most arguments you can see who is in control by watching who is calm. Mike Zimmer is calm. The Vikings have a plan and they are going to follow that plan. As they should. The way they are handling this actually makes me wonder if they haven't turned a significant corner as an organization. They might just have the right team now to move into the playoffs with or without Adrian. Kudos to them (and I'm a Packers fan).

Has any Vikings official actually said "we need to have X draft pick compensation for Adrian Peterson." Is he even officially on the trade block or is it all speculation. Has anything at all in terms of trade news come directly from Zimmer or Spielman?

Favre got his way and the Packers only got a conditional 4th round pick from the Jets.

No he didn't. He wanted to come back to Green Bay. But they committed to Rodgers.

Favre was retired, wanted to come back, was told Rodgers was the starter, demanded to be released, the Packers traded him. Yes, he got his way.

As July 27 — the date marking the start of Packers training camp — creeped closer, the stalemate continued ... and it became clear that neither the Packers nor Favre wanted him in Green Bay amid the expected media circus that only P.T. Barnum could never comprehend. With new media gossip leaking daily, at first it seemed the Packers were getting desperate — with reports that they might trade Favre within the NFC North. Packers President Mark Murphy even flew to Brett Favre, Mississippi (actually Hattiesburg) to offer the best quarterback in franchise history $20 million over 10 years NOT to come back to Green Bay.

Then reports surfaced that, after everything, Favre himself was considering budging from his position to accept the Packers' "marketing" offer. But he finally arrived in Packer-land intent on reporting for what McCarthy suddenly termed "an open competition."

 

[davearm]

I know it won't happen, but I wish the Vikings would cut him and nobody sign him...I'm fed up with this!!

Barry Bonds went from the best hitter on the planet to unwanted and unemployed, basically overnight. MLB collectively decided he was toxic, despite his talent.

Can't see that happening here, but the parallels are pretty interesting.

 

[Sabertooth]

I think about this situation in terms of how Ted Thompson handled the Favre situation. He just held his ground, let the storm wash over the organization, ate a sandwich, evaluated players, took a nap, and steered the ship according to what he knew needed to be done. No media leaks. No off color comments. Just acted like a pro the entire time. Favre on the other hand was doing interviews with anyone and everyone to get his way. Acting like a petulant little brat who didn't get his way. Just like Peterson is now. Thompson wrote the book on how to handle players like this. It's the Minnesota Vikings, not the Minnesota Adrian Petersons.

They are either get another team to offer up a significant pick (none have) or they keep him and require him to fulfill his contract. If he comes back, he will be welcomed back. If he holds out, he will be fined the maximum amount and have his pay docked according to the rules. The Vikings aren't trying to win this one in the media or anything like that. They are scouting players, evaulating their roster, and preparing for the draft. They are acting like professionals.

In most arguments you can see who is in control by watching who is calm. Mike Zimmer is calm. The Vikings have a plan and they are going to follow that plan. As they should. The way they are handling this actually makes me wonder if they haven't turned a significant corner as an organization. They might just have the right team now to move into the playoffs with or without Adrian. Kudos to them (and I'm a Packers fan).

Has any Vikings official actually said "we need to have X draft pick compensation for Adrian Peterson." Is he even officially on the trade block or is it all speculation. Has anything at all in terms of trade news come directly from Zimmer or Spielman?

Favre got his way and the Packers only got a conditional 4th round pick from the Jets.

No he didn't. He wanted to come back to Green Bay. But they committed to Rodgers.

Favre was retired, wanted to come back, was told Rodgers was the starter, demanded to be released, the Packers traded him. Yes, he got his way.

As July 27 — the date marking the start of Packers training camp — creeped closer, the stalemate continued ... and it became clear that neither the Packers nor Favre wanted him in Green Bay amid the expected media circus that only P.T. Barnum could never comprehend. With new media gossip leaking daily, at first it seemed the Packers were getting desperate — with reports that they might trade Favre within the NFC North. Packers President Mark Murphy even flew to Brett Favre, Mississippi (actually Hattiesburg) to offer the best quarterback in franchise history $20 million over 10 years NOT to come back to Green Bay.

Then reports surfaced that, after everything, Favre himself was considering budging from his position to accept the Packers' "marketing" offer. But he finally arrived in Packer-land intent on reporting for what McCarthy suddenly termed "an open competition."

No. He came back to Green Bay where he thought he'd be like this . Turns out the Packers greeted him like this .

Lots of things wrong with that article. What does "that only P.T. Barnum could never comprehend" even mean? He's also considered the second best QB in franchise history by most behind 2 time Super Bowl winner Bart Starr.

 

[Sabertooth]

Back on topic. Minnesota is handling this beautifully.

 

[CalBear]

I know it won't happen, but I wish the Vikings would cut him and nobody sign him...I'm fed up with this!!

Barry Bonds went from the best hitter on the planet to unwanted and unemployed, basically overnight. MLB collectively decided he was toxic, despite his talent.

Can't see that happening here, but the parallels are pretty interesting.

Barry Bonds was 42 years old in his last season and he'd hit fewer than 30 homers three years in a row. And the steroid allegations had been around for years at that point.

 

[Joe Summer]

Barry Bonds.

 

[Faust]

Arians won't discuss Cards' interest in Adrian Peterson

 

[davearm]

I know it won't happen, but I wish the Vikings would cut him and nobody sign him...I'm fed up with this!!

Barry Bonds went from the best hitter on the planet to unwanted and unemployed, basically overnight. MLB collectively decided he was toxic, despite his talent.

Can't see that happening here, but the parallels are pretty interesting.

Barry Bonds was 42 years old in his last season and he'd hit fewer than 30 homers three years in a row. And the steroid allegations had been around for years at that point.

It's far from a perfect analogy, to be sure.

But even in his last year, Bonds' productivity was at league-leading levels (led MLB in IBB, BB, OBP, and was third in OPS) yet nobody would touch him.

Just found it an interesting comparison, albeit an imperfect one.

 

[whiskey7]

I think about this situation in terms of how Ted Thompson handled the Favre situation. He just held his ground, let the storm wash over the organization, ate a sandwich, evaluated players, took a nap, and steered the ship according to what he knew needed to be done. No media leaks. No off color comments. Just acted like a pro the entire time. Favre on the other hand was doing interviews with anyone and everyone to get his way. Acting like a petulant little brat who didn't get his way. Just like Peterson is now. Thompson wrote the book on how to handle players like this. It's the Minnesota Vikings, not the Minnesota Adrian Petersons.

They are either get another team to offer up a significant pick (none have) or they keep him and require him to fulfill his contract. If he comes back, he will be welcomed back. If he holds out, he will be fined the maximum amount and have his pay docked according to the rules. The Vikings aren't trying to win this one in the media or anything like that. They are scouting players, evaulating their roster, and preparing for the draft. They are acting like professionals.

In most arguments you can see who is in control by watching who is calm. Mike Zimmer is calm. The Vikings have a plan and they are going to follow that plan. As they should. The way they are handling this actually makes me wonder if they haven't turned a significant corner as an organization. They might just have the right team now to move into the playoffs with or without Adrian. Kudos to them (and I'm a Packers fan).

Has any Vikings official actually said "we need to have X draft pick compensation for Adrian Peterson." Is he even officially on the trade block or is it all speculation. Has anything at all in terms of trade news come directly from Zimmer or Spielman?

Favre got his way and the Packers only got a conditional 4th round pick from the Jets.

No he didn't. He wanted to come back to Green Bay. But they committed to Rodgers.

Favre was retired, wanted to come back, was told Rodgers was the starter, demanded to be released, the Packers traded him. Yes, he got his way.

As July 27 — the date marking the start of Packers training camp — creeped closer, the stalemate continued ... and it became clear that neither the Packers nor Favre wanted him in Green Bay amid the expected media circus that only P.T. Barnum could never comprehend. With new media gossip leaking daily, at first it seemed the Packers were getting desperate — with reports that they might trade Favre within the NFC North. Packers President Mark Murphy even flew to Brett Favre, Mississippi (actually Hattiesburg) to offer the best quarterback in franchise history $20 million over 10 years NOT to come back to Green Bay.

Then reports surfaced that, after everything, Favre himself was considering budging from his position to accept the Packers' "marketing" offer. But he finally arrived in Packer-land intent on reporting for what McCarthy suddenly termed "an open competition."

No. He came back to Green Bay where he thought he'd be like this . Turns out the Packers greeted him like this .

Lots of things wrong with that article. What does "that only P.T. Barnum could never comprehend" even mean? He's also considered the second best QB in franchise history by most behind 2 time Super Bowl winner Bart Starr.

Favre retired. He hinted at it for a while and then did it. He cried and said he was done. GB moved on as they should have. Then Favre changed his mind and wanted to come back and GB had already rightfully moved on to Rodgers.

 

[BigJim®]

From PFT:

Vikings coach Mike Zimmer, on the other side of the room from Arians, was very matter-of-fact about Peterson.“I don’t know that there is a next step,” Zimmer said, via Tom Pelissero of USA Today. “We’re good to go.”

 

[mr roboto]

I love Zimmer

 

[B-Deep]

Dogra said the standstill comes down to how the Vikings view his client.

''I would like to have their position in writing, and they have not done so,'' Dogra said. ''Is Adrian the face of their franchise or is he in their mind a 30-year-old running back? I want them to tell (us) that.''

 

[B-Deep]

Well, lets look at the facts...

he is 30

he plays running back

and he was convicted of reckless assault on a 4 year old child with a stick

what do you think they see him as?

 

[SayWhat?]

AP seems to be a bit of a #####, but I think the book is written on his agent.

 

[cstu]

Well, lets look at the facts...

he is 30

he plays running back

and he was convicted of reckless assault on a 4 year old child with a stick

what do you think they see him as?

One of the best RB's to ever play the game who takes great care of his body.

 

[cstu]

Favre retired. He hinted at it for a while and then did it. He cried and said he was done. GB moved on as they should have. Then Favre changed his mind and wanted to come back and GB had already rightfully moved on to Rodgers.

He cried and got what he wanted - traded. He could have stayed in GB and got paid $12M as a backup but the Packers didn't think the headache was worth it and traded him - just as the Vikings are likely to do with Peterson.

 

[B-Deep]

Well, lets look at the facts...

he is 30

he plays running back

and he was convicted of reckless assault on a 4 year old child with a stick

what do you think they see him as?

One of the best RB's to ever play the game who takes great care of his body.

i do not disagree

no where does it say he is a bad runningback

as far as facts go though, your fact looks back

going forward we cannot say he will be a great runningback, we can say he will be a 30 year old runningback

but none of that is even relevant, the vikings surely think he is going to be a great back if they want him for $13mil. It sounds like his agent wants to make sure he's the #1 star being promoted for the team like nothing ever happened. good luck with that

 

[B-Deep]

he would not be the face of the franchise in Dallas, for the record.

maybe someplace like tampa or jacksonville

 

[FUBAR]

Well, lets look at the facts...

he is 30

he plays running back

and he was convicted of reckless assault on a 4 year old child with a stick

what do you think they see him as?

One of the best RB's to ever play the game who takes great care of his body.

How many running backs are the face of their franchise?

How many child abusers are the face of their franchise.

 

[BigJim®]

Dogra said the standstill comes down to how the Vikings view his client.

''I would like to have their position in writing, and they have not done so,'' Dogra said. ''Is Adrian the face of their franchise or is he in their mind a 30-year-old running back? I want them to tell (us) that.''

Pretty sure the contract is their position in writing.

 

[Sabertooth]

Dogra said the standstill comes down to how the Vikings view his client.

''I would like to have their position in writing, and they have not done so,'' Dogra said. ''Is Adrian the face of their franchise or is he in their mind a 30-year-old running back? I want them to tell (us) that.''

Hey maybe I can help. Here is a document on the Official Vikings website that does indeed confirms that the Vikings acknowledge he's a 30 year old running back.

http://www.vikings.com/team/roster.html

 

[Sabertooth]

Well, lets look at the facts...

he is 30

he plays running back

and he was convicted of reckless assault on a 4 year old child with a stick

what do you think they see him as?

One of the best RB's to ever play the game who takes great care of his body.

How many running backs are the face of their franchise?

How many child abusers are the face of their franchise.

Lynch kind of is. I don't thinks that's by choice though. He's just so ####### awesome. They would love it to be Wilson but this happened.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Favre retired. He hinted at it for a while and then did it. He cried and said he was done. GB moved on as they should have. Then Favre changed his mind and wanted to come back and GB had already rightfully moved on to Rodgers.

ok

 

[FUBAR]

Well, lets look at the facts...

he is 30

he plays running back

and he was convicted of reckless assault on a 4 year old child with a stick

what do you think they see him as?

One of the best RB's to ever play the game who takes great care of his body.

How many running backs are the face of their franchise? How many child abusers are the face of their franchise.

Lynch kind of is. I don't thinks that's by choice though. He's just so ####### awesome. They would love it to be Wilson but this happened.

No man, lynch himself said he isn't which is why he didn't get the ball.I'd almost start a new thread with this question but it seems like you either know Who the face is or there isn't one.

 

[Van Dyman]

Dogra said the standstill comes down to how the Vikings view his client.

''I would like to have their position in writing, and they have not done so,'' Dogra said. ''Is Adrian the face of their franchise or is he in their mind a 30-year-old running back? I want them to tell (us) that.''

Face of the franchise???!!! Holy cow. He really has no leverage here. All he can do is act out and try to make a problem so big that they decide to cut him. It's ugly to watch.

The sad thing is he probably would have had no problem restructuring and securing more guaranteed money right now if none of this had happened.

 

[Sabertooth]

Adrian needs to switch agents.

 

[Rhythmdoctor]

Well, lets look at the facts...

he is 30

he plays running back

and he was convicted of reckless assault on a 4 year old child with a stick

what do you think they see him as?

One of the best RB's to ever play the game who takes great care of his body.

How many running backs are the face of their franchise? How many child abusers are the face of their franchise.

Lynch kind of is. I don't thinks that's by choice though. He's just so ####### awesome. They would love it to be Wilson but this happened.

I laughed.

 

[B-Deep]

Adrian needs to switch agents.

this is simple

shuttup, play football, if you are still great this will all become old news

if not you got paid 13mil either way

 

[Sabertooth]

It's simple to you and me. But he really appears to have bought into the "disrespect" angle. It's not enough to be paid, he wants to be worshipped.

 

[ryno1980]

This clown needs to shut up and play football. I like the way the Vikings are handling it: Play for us or retire.

 

[Old Smiley]

Adrian needs to switch agents.

There does seem to be a feedback loop of clueless happening between them.

 

[Van Dyman]

Adrian needs to switch agents.

There does seem to be a feedback loop of clueless happening between them.

The agent claims to have a good relationship with the team and just did some other player contracts with them. Either Peterson and the agent are in agreement, or the agent is just doing what Peterson wants. If ADP wasn't on board with this approach he would have already made the agent backpedal on some of these statements or got a new agent.

It's all ADP and his ego at this point.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Adrian needs to use a switch on his agents.

fixed

I'm sure you were going for the pun to begin with

 

[Van Dyman]

It's simple to you and me. But he really appears to have bought into the "disrespect" angle. It's not enough to be paid, he wants to be worshipped.

All Diva Peterson

 

[KellysHeroes]

Idk, it seems simple to me; he was lied to last season and doesn't want to play for them. His agent is tasked w being the bad guy.

 

[B-Deep]

Idk, it seems simple to me; he was lied to last season and doesn't want to play for them. His agent is tasked w being the bad guy.

ok

well first what did the vikes lie about?

and 2

if he expects the world to forgive him for reckless assault on the #### of a 4 year old with a stick, perhaps IF he was lied to he can get over it and forgive the team

he wants a clean slate and put this behind him, but won't give the vikes one?

 

[FunkyPlutos]

Isn't he still on the "exempt list?" Nothing is guaranteeing him playing as of now anyway, is there? Doesn't Goodell have to take him off the list before he can play?

 

[maf005]

I realize that many forum members were extremely offended by how Peterson chose to discipline his son, and that's fine. But please try to be objective when discussing the current situation.

It's obvious who will never be able to discuss this situation without letting emotions factor in.

 

[davearm]

Idk, it seems simple to me; he was lied to last season and doesn't want to play for them. His agent is tasked w being the bad guy.

ok

well first what did the vikes lie about?

I believe it was Troy Vincent that was recorded telling Peterson that if he went along with the league, and went through the motions, then he'd be back in 2 weeks.

Obviously that isn't what happened, so Peterson feels he was lied to (not unreasonable IMO).

In Peterson's mind, the Vikings were co-conspirators in the whole operation (also not that unreasonable IMO -- they had sponsors all over them, so having the NFL keep him off the field suited the team well).

Not too tricky to connect the dots on this one.

 

[Old Smiley]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Peterson

Peterson pleaded no contest to the misdemeanor charge of recklessly assaulting his four-year-old son.

The court didn't like it much. A Texas court, mind you. There's really no "how Peterson chose to discipline his son". He screwed up. He admitted in court he screwed up. It's now about how he just doesn't seem to get the position he put his team in. Nobody got railroaded here. Maybe the Vikes.

 

[maf005]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Peterson

Peterson pleaded no contest to the misdemeanor charge of recklessly assaulting his four-year-old son.

The court didn't like it much. A Texas court, mind you. There's really no "how Peterson chose to discipline his son". He screwed up. He admitted in court he screwed up. It's now about how he just doesn't seem to get the position he put his team in. Nobody got railroaded here. Maybe the Vikes.

That may be true but it also isn't the point. All that matters is he felt like his team didn't support him. Arguing that he is wrong for feeling that way does nothing except discourage potential posters who want to participate in the Peterson thread

 

[B-Deep]

Idk, it seems simple to me; he was lied to last season and doesn't want to play for them. His agent is tasked w being the bad guy.

ok

well first what did the vikes lie about?

I believe it was Troy Vincent that was recorded telling Peterson that if he went along with the league, and went through the motions, then he'd be back in 2 weeks.

Obviously that isn't what happened, so Peterson feels he was lied to (not unreasonable IMO).

In Peterson's mind, the Vikings were co-conspirators in the whole operation (also not that unreasonable IMO -- they had sponsors all over them, so having the NFL keep him off the field suited the team well).

Not too tricky to connect the dots on this one.

Troy Vincent is from the league office not the vikings. If he assumes the vikings are in on the lie it is no worse than anyone assuming he is a serial child abuser.

as far as i can tell he wanted the vikings, despite the intense pressure from everyone including the league, to stand on the table and demand he be allowed to play. That was never going to happen. They did not lie to him, they did what they had to do as a billion dollar organization trying to protect itself from an employee who ran afoul with the law

Like i said, he wants everyone including the vikings to forget the whole off the field incident, and he is unwilling to forget what he perceves as mistreatment

Good luck with that.

 

[B-Deep]

I realize that many forum members were extremely offended by how Peterson chose to discipline his son, and that's fine. But please try to be objective when discussing the current situation.

It's obvious who will never be able to discuss this situation without letting emotions factor in.

both sides need to be objective

being objective does not mean assuming everyone should forget anything peterson did, that's being pro-peterson

objectively the vikings did not lie

he is under contract

he is a 30 year old running back

he was convicted of reckless assault on a 4 year old

I'd also argue this is an objective fact:

he was a PR disaster for a period of time when this broke last season - because even if you think he did nothing wrong the simple fact that so many fans and sponsors did feel he did somethign wrong qualifies as a pr nightmare, even if anyone thinks that was unfair.

saying he was mistreated is not objective, that is subjective

saying he's a child beating ##### is not objective, that is subjective

the problem is when you look at facts it is bad for him

all he has is he feels like he was treated unfairly. He can feel that way, but we can feel he's unrealistic and has no legs to stand on and we can say it.