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[Faust]

McAdoo on Giants pursuing Peterson: 'Never say never'

Excerpt:

That doesn't mean the Giants are about to pursue the 32-year-old free agent who took to Twitter last week to deny reports that he's seeking as much as $8 million annually.

 

[TwinTurbo]

The odds are against him, but he also ran for 2000 yards the year after he blew out his knee. That's either because he's super human or he had some chemical help or a bit of both (I lean towards both). I think he has another big year in him. I just don't think we'll see it because of all the negatives listed above which he compounds by wanting to be the 3rd highest paid RB in the league at 32.

I've watched AD since high school and I think he's got one more good year left. I know RBs usually fall off a cliff after 30, but he really is super human. He just needs a good O-line and the Vikings had the opposite of that last year. 

 

[Hawkeye21]

I've watched AD since high school and I think he's got one more good year left. I know RBs usually fall off a cliff after 30, but he really is super human. He just needs a good O-line and the Vikings had the opposite of that last year. 

But a ton of RBs can do well behind a good OL. Why invest in an aging RB when a rookie or some cheap FA could possibly do as well behind an improved OL?

I'm not trying to say a rookie or FA RB is the same as AP but I think you'd get a lot more value that way. Especially if you have a good OL. 

 

[Thunderlips]

He's just not reading the tea leaves of the league correctly.  He needs to come to the realization that he MIGHT get a decent contract if its incentive and goal laden.  If he still believes in himself...he should take that contract that pays on production instead of getting the money up front. 

 

[Snorkelson]

Speaking on behalf of GB because that's really the only team I follow very closely; Ty Montgomery is basically what Peterson is, all the way from the build to the style of play. I would be surprised if they went for Peterson and double-dipped on what they already have at RB. Could still see it happening but I'd prefer they grab someone like Blount. 

But you hit this exactly on the head. Most teams aren't signing these RBs because this is such a great class, so why pay for a beat up guy now when you can get a young, better, cheaper player in the draft. 

I will throw a dart at the board and say Peterson ends up in TB

Haha Peterson=Montgomery. Just kidding, I get your point but that made me laugh. 

With all the things we've mentioned as negatives about AP, I'm surprised his propensity to fumble hasn't been mentioned. It's easy to overlook when he's going for 1500+ yds a season and is basically your entire offense. When your 32 and probably best suited "as a between the tackles grinder at this point of his career" fumbling isn't going to be acceptable. 

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

 If I were him I would go to the patriots for the veteran minimum.  It's amazing to me that ( non-QB) guys of his caliber don't understand that there's more money to be made as a multiple Super Bowl winner and NFL legend post career, then there is to be made during your playing career. 

 

[Cjw_55106]

Haha Peterson=Montgomery. Just kidding, I get your point but that made me laugh. 

With all the things we've mentioned as negatives about AP, I'm surprised his propensity to fumble hasn't been mentioned. It's easy to overlook when he's going for 1500+ yds a season and is basically your entire offense. When your 32 and probably best suited "as a between the tackles grinder at this point of his career" fumbling isn't going to be acceptable. 

Way overblown and simply not as true as people think. He fumbled something like 1 out of every 70 carries. Plenty of the top RBS are worse than that. 

 

[Hawkeye21]

Way overblown and simply not as true as people think. He fumbled something like 1 out of every 70 carries. Plenty of the top RBS are worse than that. 

From what I just added up it looks like he fumbled the ball once every 68.18 touches.  That includes carries and receptions.  In comparison, Matt Forte has fumbled once every 131.9 touches.  The only reason I used Forte was because he was the first that came to mind.  Would be interesting to see where he stands with other RBs that have played a similar amount.

 

[Hawkeye21]

I'm curious so to see what the fumble rates are for RBs that have played for a while now or did play for a while recently.  Also threw in some newer guys that are considered top RBs like AP.  Was surprised by Charles' numbers.

Adrian Peterson - 68.18 touches

MattForte - 131.9 touches

Frank Gore - 80.45 touches

LeSean McCoy - 120 touches

Marshawn Lynch - 88.74 touches

Arian Foster - 96.17 touches

LeVeon Bell - 227 touches

Jamaal Charles - 62.19 touches

This one really surprised me, Walter Payton - 50.35 touches.

 

[Cjw_55106]

I'm curious so to see what the fumble rates are for RBs that have played for a while now or did play for a while recently.  Also threw in some newer guys that are considered top RBs like AP.  Was surprised by Charles' numbers.

Adrian Peterson - 68.18 touches

MattForte - 131.9 touches

Frank Gore - 80.45 touches

LeSean McCoy - 120 touches

Marshawn Lynch - 88.74 touches

Arian Foster - 96.17 touches

LeVeon Bell - 227 touches

Jamaal Charles - 62.19 touches

David Johnson 66.75

Ezekiel Elliot 70.8

My point was not that Peterson was great, but people talk about his fumbles and he's not historically bad or anything. He did have three years that were particularly bad. Those three years accounted for 24 of his 39 career fumbles. 

 

[Hawkeye21]

David Johnson 66.75

Ezekiel Elliot 70.8

My point was not that Peterson was great, but people talk about his fumbles and he's not historically bad or anything. He did have three years that were particularly bad. Those three years accounted for 24 of his 39 career fumbles. 

That would probably be why he got that reputation.  I have to admit that I've always thought of him as a fumbler.  He does have a higher tendency than most of the current top RBs but nothing historically bad.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

2-3 million on a good team with a good oline.  All Day is a documented freak.  See for example randy moss 2007.  Too much group think up in here and in front offices.

 

[Hawkeye21]

2-3 million on a good team with a good oline.  All Day is a documented freak.  See for example randy moss 2007.  Too much group think up in here and in front offices.

It's very different for a 32 year old RB and a WR though.  WR's don't drop off drastically like RBs generally do.

 

[Anarchy99]

2-3 million on a good team with a good oline.  All Day is a documented freak.  See for example randy moss 2007.  Too much group think up in here and in front offices.

Randy Moss 30 in 2007, played WR, never had any significant injuries, and had roughly 800 career touches (regular and post season) between receptions, carries, and kick returns.
Adrian Peterson is 32, has had multiple knee injuries, and has had 2,800 career touches (regular and post season) between receptions, carries, and kick returns.

ADP may be a freak, but he has had a lot of wear and tear and wants a lot of money. When his demands come down to earth, there should be teams with some interest.

 

[Gally]

That would probably be why he got that reputation.  I have to admit that I've always thought of him as a fumbler.  He does have a higher tendency than most of the current top RBs but nothing historically bad.

I think he also was thought of as worse because the fumbles he did make were in terrible situations that hurt the Vikes really bad (See Seattle in playoffs).  Much of his fumbling was due to him struggling for extra yards.  His greatness at breaking tackles and his push was a big contributing factor.  He needed to learn when he should continue that and when the possession of the ball was more important. 

Bottom line is he needs to learn to protect the ball better but it wasn't as bad as the perception leads you to believe.

 

[BoltBacker]

Randy Moss 30 in 2007, played WR, never had any significant injuries, and had roughly 800 career touches (regular and post season) between receptions, carries, and kick returns.
Adrian Peterson is 32, has had multiple knee injuries, and has had 2,800 career touches (regular and post season) between receptions, carries, and kick returns.

ADP may be a freak, but he has had a lot of wear and tear and wants a lot of money. When his demands come down to earth, there should be teams with some interest.

Not only that, but Peterson has made it this late into his career without ever gaining any skills to contribute in the passing game. This is a league where 3rd-and-2 is now a passing down. The transition to a pass happy league helped Moss, it's hurting Peterson.

 

[Biabreakable]

David Johnson 66.75

Ezekiel Elliot 70.8

My point was not that Peterson was great, but people talk about his fumbles and he's not historically bad or anything. He did have three years that were particularly bad. Those three years accounted for 24 of his 39 career fumbles. 

According to this Peterson has the 35th most fumbles for a RB. I did count Frank Gifford as a RB, but it is possible one of these older guys was a RB that I just didn't know, so maybe I missed a guy or two.

Obviously most of these players have had very long successful careers, that is kind of a prerequisite to getting enough touches to make this list.

I have Peterson with 2781 career touches (including playoffs) and 42 fumbles. One every 66 touches.for his career.

In the playoffs Peterson has 122 touches and 3 fumbles. One every 41 touches in that situation.

It isn't just the fumbles but the timing of them. He has fumbled 3 times in 5 playoff games costing the team an opportunity to advance to the Super Bowl in 2009 and to advance past the wild card round in 2015.

He did seem to correct his fumbling issues for a time (after losing a lot of them in the time frame you mention) but then he had almost all of the 2014 away from football and the fumbling showed up again in the 2015 playoff game against the Seahawks, which did cost them that game. In 2016 when he came back (briefly) from his injury, he wasn't doing that well, then he has a good run but fumbles at the end of it. Then he shuts himself down again for the rest of the year.

It shows that the work he put in to improve ball security has slipped again, in part I think that is because of all the time away from practice. Part of it is just a lack of focus and situational awareness on Petersons part. The fumble against Seattle for example, he had the first down, but he is fighting for extra yards and allows a defender to strip out the ball while he is. It isn't smart football.

That he did improve in this area with focus and practice is a good sign. For all the talk by Peterson about becoming more involved as a receiver and improving his pass protection, those things have not come to fruition from his hard work. The fumbles was a more positive thing that he did improve on that for awhile.

 

[Faust]

Dirk Koetter 'anxious' to hear about Jameis Winston's workouts with Adrian Peterson

 

[Grahamburn]

Dirk Koetter 'anxious' to hear about Jameis Winston's workouts with Adrian Peterson

Not enough likes.

 

[Interseptopus]

I will throw a dart at the board and say Peterson ends up in TB

So far  

 

[TwinTurbo]

But a ton of RBs can do well behind a good OL. Why invest in an aging RB when a rookie or some cheap FA could possibly do as well behind an improved OL?

I'm not trying to say a rookie or FA RB is the same as AP but I think you'd get a lot more value that way. Especially if you have a good OL. 

Agree on value. Latavius Murray will prove to be a great case study on that topic. The Vikings saved a lot of money by bringing him in, but he's a JAG that benefited from a great Raiders OL. No team is going to fork over $8M/year for AD. But some team is going to find a way to get him on a 1-2 year deal and he's going to outproduce Murray, simply because he's still more talented and that Vikes OL is beyond awful. 

 

[Grahamburn]

Tampa makes a lot of sense.  They can cut Doug without penalty, and even if they keep him he's suspended for the first 3 games so they need someone there anyway.  If they sign AP they don't have to worry about the 3rd down role with Sims in tow. I think they'll wait until after the draft to see if they can get Cook at 19.  If not then draft someone later and sign Peterson to the 2 year deal he wants.

If the Bucs get a running game they'll be scary.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

2-3 million on a good team with a good oline.  All Day is a documented freak.  See for example randy moss 2007.  Too much group think up in here and in front offices.

I do not see any possible connection between what Moss did in 2007 (after loafing his last season with Oakland) and a 32 year old Peterson. That's not to say that Peterson can't still have a highly productive 2017, but brining up Moss' season playing with Tom Brady in his prime is not a convincing argument.

 

[Hawkeye21]

I do not see any possible connection between what Moss did in 2007 (after loafing his last season with Oakland) and a 32 year old Peterson. That's not to say that Peterson can't still have a highly productive 2017, but brining up Moss' season playing with Tom Brady in his prime is not a convincing argument.

I thought the same way about his comment.  Poor comparison.

 

[Faust]

Deion: It's Adrian Peterson's choice not to sign now

 

[Gopher State]

A P visiting NE, here we go'!!!!!!!'!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Faust]

Free agent Adrian Peterson will visit the Patriots on Monday.

Peterson signing in Foxboro would throw quite a wrench into the Rex Burkhead hype train. In New England, Peterson would likely fill the LeGarrette Blount role as an early-down and clock-killing banger, giving the Pats yet another dimension offensively. Burkhead, Dion Lewis, James White, and D.J. Foster are the running backs presently on New England's offseason roster.

Related: Patriots
 

 

[dmac37]

In my PPR league Blount was the #9 scoring RB last year. I would say AD is a FF RB1 if he signs with NE.

 

[Snorkelson]

So kraft thinks playing football is a privilege that a man should lose if he hits a woman, but he will consider Peterson? Seems a little hypocritical to me. 

 

[DropKick]

Not only that, but Peterson has made it this late into his career without ever gaining any skills to contribute in the passing game. This is a league where 3rd-and-2 is now a passing down. The transition to a pass happy league helped Moss, it's hurting Peterson.

My first thought on ADP was the lack of involvement in the pass game but I checked his stats and he's had years with 40 receptions.  Maybe "mediocre" but that's still better than a complete lack of skills.

 

[BoltBacker]

My first thought on ADP was the lack of involvement in the pass game but I checked his stats and he's had years with 40 receptions.  Maybe "mediocre" but that's still better than a complete lack of skills.

Yeah, that's fair.

I guess I just think if his absolute ceiling in his prime over a ten year career was fewer than 3 receptions per game..... we aren't going to see anything close to that moving forward. Over the course of his career for every 1 reception he had, he had to be on the field long enough to have 10+ rushing attempts. And keep in mind a few of yearly events more consistent than the swallows returning to Capistrano are Sean Payton announcing that this year the Saints are going to have a better run/pass ratio, Rex Ryan thinking that his defense is going to be the best in the NFL, and <insert Vikings OC> saying that his biggest priority getting Peterson the ball in space as part of the passing game. 

It seems hard for me to imagine Peterson in a situation from this point forward getting more than 20 rushing attempts in many games unless the RBBC he's in has a rash of injuries. Maybe if he fell into a NE situation where he could salt away the second half between the tackles in a Blount-type-fashion. I'm guessing his games where he has more than one reception will be few and far between. Seems to me there are plenty of journeymen(and young/cheap journeymen at that) more talented at pass blocking.

 

[need2know]

prob going to ne.  why the hell not

 

[Snorkelson]

If he's willing to sign for cheap to play for a contender it could happen. 

 

[Snorkelson]

I can imagine all the AP owners right now, almost worthless to almost assuredly being overvalued by one guy in their league, which is all it takes. If it happens, that is.

 

[dmac37]

Adrian Peterson - RB - Free Agent


Sirius XM NFL Radio reports "3-5 teams" are interested in free agent Adrian Peterson.
The Patriots are apparently one of them, as they're hosting Peterson for a visit on Monday. The identities of the other 2-4 clubs is unknown, suggesting this could be agent-driven information. Peterson's market has been incredibly quiet. According to Sirius XM, Peterson has not set a price for him to sign, and he's also not turned down any offers. He's likely looking for $5-8 million.

 
 
Source: Sirius XM NFL Radio
Apr 3 - 11:24 AM

 

[BustedKnuckles]

it would be interesting to see what AP could do on a team like NE who have the greatest QB in the game throwing the ball...D`s could no longer stack the line ...even at his age he would do well IMO

 

[Interseptopus]

it would be interesting to see what AP could do on a team like NE who have the greatest QB in the game throwing the ball...D`s could no longer stack the line ...even at his age he would do well IMO

How much does NE run from the shotgun? Honest question. AP does not do well from the shotgun, doesn't fit his style. 

I do think this is the most likely scenario as it's a team that has lots of cap room and somewhat of a need at RB... even though they did just sign Burkhead and have Lewis, White already rostered. 

 

[Road Warriors]

How much does NE run from the shotgun? Honest question. AP does not do well from the shotgun, doesn't fit his style. 

I do think this is the most likely scenario as it's a team that has lots of cap room and somewhat of a need at RB... even though they did just sign Burkhead and have Lewis, White already rostered. 

I don't have a true breakdown of NE's formations, but they run a solid percentage of their snaps from under center.  Add to that the fact that they typically modify their schemes and sets to suit their personnel, I would have no concerns about AP's usage being effective.  

 

[Tackling Dummies]

How much does NE run from the shotgun? Honest question. AP does not do well from the shotgun, doesn't fit his style. 

I do think this is the most likely scenario as it's a team that has lots of cap room and somewhat of a need at RB... even though they did just sign Burkhead and have Lewis, White already rostered. 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/splits/_/name/ne/new-england-patriots

about 2/3 down the screen, shotgun or lone RB are all they ran in 16. 

 

[zeeshan2]

Left NE without a deal:

https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/848984492597497856

 

[Anarchy99]

Not sure ADP would be any different than what Blount brought to the table, except older, more expensive, more frequently injured, and with a lot more wear and tear.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

CSN New England's Tom Curran suggests the Patriots hosted free agent Adrian Peterson only to "do a solid" for his agent, Ben Dogra.

Patriots owner Bob Kraft spoke out against Peterson when he committed child abuse two years ago, and Kraft also said Joe Mixon is off New England's draft board for Mixon's off-field misdoings. Per Curran, the Patriots have always had a "good relationship" with Dogra, whose highest-profile client (Peterson) isn't so much as getting free agent sniffs. Curran is confident Peterson won't be joining the Pats. "I think it’s a mere back-scratching for Dogra that the team hopes Dogra may remember somewhere down the line when doing a deal," Curran wrote. Indeed, Peterson left Monday's visit to Foxboro without a contract.

 
Pity visit.

 

[Interseptopus]

 
Pity visit.

Yeah if they are going to be all high and mighty about one incident of a guy hitting a girl after being physically attacked by her, but repeated child abuse incidents are no big deal... please... 

This just screams AP not getting any attention, so the agent starts pulling strings to get AP in to visit a few teams to maybe jostle up some interest in AP from people who might be on the fence for bringing him in. 

Like many FAs out there, AP will just have to wait another 4 weeks to find a home I imagine. 

 

[Anarchy99]

Yeah if they are going to be all high and mighty about one incident of a guy hitting a girl after being physically attacked by her, but repeated child abuse incidents are no big deal... please... 

Mixon was physically attacked? Really? The girl pushed him and tried slapping him and he responded by smashing his fist into her face and breaking four bones. 

So if a kid reached into your car to steal a quarter and you took a sword out and chopped his hand off, that would be ok?

Had Mixon pushed her away or slapped her hand away, ok. But smashing her face in?

Any way, the Patriots still want Blount, have made him a contract offer, and are playing the negotiating game. I don't see more than a 1% chance they have even a remote interest in signing Peterson. They've been playing clips from when the Peterson story broke on the radio today, and the Krafts position was that what ADP did was pretty much inexcusable. 

Not sure what the end game was for having Peterson in for a visit, but it wasn't to sign him. By local accounts, he was not offered a contract and it doesn't even sound like the two sides talked much about money. 

 

[Interseptopus]

Mixon was physically attacked? Really? The girl pushed him and tried slapping him and he responded by smashing his fist into her face and breaking four bones. 

So if a kid reached into your car to steal a quarter and you took a sword out and chopped his hand off, that would be ok?

Had Mixon pushed her away or slapped her hand away, ok. But smashing her face in?

Any way, the Patriots still want Blount, have made him a contract offer, and are playing the negotiating game. I don't see more than a 1% chance they have even a remote interest in signing Peterson. They've been playing clips from when the Peterson story broke on the radio today, and the Krafts position was that what ADP did was pretty much inexcusable. 

Not sure what the end game was for having Peterson in for a visit, but it wasn't to sign him. By local accounts, he was not offered a contract and it doesn't even sound like the two sides talked much about money. 

if someone broke into my house yielding a bat I'd shoot them. self defense is self defense. don't take it to a physical level if u can't handle yourself

 

[Mavis]

if someone broke into my house yielding a bat I'd shoot them. self defense is self defense. don't take it to a physical level if u can't handle yourself

Be ashamed of this response. If your mother shoved me in the grocery store, should I break her face? Self defense is self defense. Am I right ladies?

How this is a thought of as a rational action in a mans eyes is confusing. Comparing hitting a woman who shoved you to a murder in self defense? 

Mixons actions are reprehensible, seems some are justifying it for their fantasy purposes. Regarding Peterson, the Patriots fake morals stance is embarrassing in itself too. The way they feel about Mixon and Peterson while they employ others is the hypocrisy we have come to love from them.

 

[Anarchy99]

if someone broke into my house yielding a bat I'd shoot them. self defense is self defense. don't take it to a physical level if u can't handle yourself

Not an appropriate example at all. People have a legal homefield advantage to defend their own home. There's been times when homeowners shot unarmed people in their homes without much legal concern and great latitude and deference been given to the homeowner. The intruder in most states does not have a right to break into your house and you have the right to defend yourself in that situation.

But since you chose defending yourself with a gun as an example,  given that he already has received scrutiny for punching the woman in the face, suppose he shot and killed her?

The rules of engagement are not the same in a public place, well lit, with witnesses, no weapon on the woman, etc. So you think he would have gotten off Scott free if he shot and killed her based on what she did?

 

[Tool]

Yeah if they are going to be all high and mighty about one incident of a guy hitting a girl after being physically attacked by her, but repeated child abuse incidents are no big deal... please... 

This just screams AP not getting any attention, so the agent starts pulling strings to get AP in to visit a few teams to maybe jostle up some interest in AP from people who might be on the fence for bringing him in. 

Like many FAs out there, AP will just have to wait another 4 weeks to find a home I imagine. 

Why do you think the Pats are being 'high and mighty'? Don't you think they want to win more Super Bowls?

 

[Sabertooth]

So kraft thinks playing football is a privilege that a man should lose if he hits a woman, but he will consider Peterson? Seems a little hypocritical to me. 

I'd think the fumbles are more concerning than his whipping his kids scrotum.  

 

[BustedKnuckles]

The problem with him hitting that woman is it was too damn fast and easy...no hesitation...to me that says he`s done it before

Hair trigger temper