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Adrian Peterson's turn to get the boot from the NFL (1 Viewer)

BigB hits it on the head. NFL needs to squash this before Sunday or this mess moves to full on ####show.
Once he plays again this blows over.
You think if he plays Sunday all of this blows over?
Sure, why not? There will be some other news story this weekend for people to get in a huff about.
Not going to happen.
Americans have a short attention span

 
This all started with Goodell and his personal conduct policy/suspensions. This never used to take place anywhere. Guys played until they were sitting in a jail cell. And that's how it should still be.

You open up the can of worms and this is what you get. Do you suspend a guy who clearly did it? What if he likely did it? What if you have no idea? Do you only do it for a short time or an entire year? Which kinds of crimes are worse than others? Who makes the decision on that? What if the public outcry is strong and against what you already did, do you change it? Does the team do it or leave it to the NFL?

Want to keep it simple? Don't worry about suspending anyone. You can't play if you're in jail.

It was a horrible idea when Goodell first did it and it's only snowballed from there.
Mostly agree, except the facts of this case aren't in dispute. He tortured a little boy with a stick, and then admitted he did it. He says it wasn't abuse because he's a moron, and anyone who agrees with him is a moron too. I am getting queasy just thinking about watching a Vikings game, even more so than usual.
 
During the season that Kobe Bryant was charged with rape, he continued to play for the Lakers, and was even cheered in the playoffs at the same time as he was going to hearings! I remember that clearly. There didn't seem to be any question of whether or not he should be suspended as I recall.

But perhaps the difference is that Kobe denied raping the girl. Peterson doesn't deny disciplining his son, he even admits that he might have gone too far, though he denies that it was abuse. So perhaps the reaction is a little different for this reason.
I think the distinguishing factor between the two is the likability of the victims.
So you're saying a woman accusing a mostly disliked basketball player wasn't sympathetic enough?
I am saying a woman with varying semen deposits in her who simultaneously sought a civil suit and recovered is less sympathetic to the public than a 4 year old kid beaten by his dad.

 
BigB hits it on the head. NFL needs to squash this before Sunday or this mess moves to full on ####show.
Once he plays again this blows over.
You think if he plays Sunday all of this blows over?
Sure, why not? There will be some other news story this weekend for people to get in a huff about.
Not going to happen.
Americans have a short attention span
The sponsors and people following all of these events don't.

 
During the season that Kobe Bryant was charged with rape, he continued to play for the Lakers, and was even cheered in the playoffs at the same time as he was going to hearings! I remember that clearly. There didn't seem to be any question of whether or not he should be suspended as I recall.

But perhaps the difference is that Kobe denied raping the girl. Peterson doesn't deny disciplining his son, he even admits that he might have gone too far, though he denies that it was abuse. So perhaps the reaction is a little different for this reason.
I think the distinguishing factor between the two is the likability of the victims.
So you're saying a woman accusing a mostly disliked basketball player wasn't sympathetic enough?
I am saying a woman with varying semen deposits in her who simultaneously sought a civil suit and recovered is less sympathetic to the public than a 4 year old kid beaten by his dad.
The civil suit didnt happen until the following year, right?

 
During the season that Kobe Bryant was charged with rape, he continued to play for the Lakers, and was even cheered in the playoffs at the same time as he was going to hearings! I remember that clearly. There didn't seem to be any question of whether or not he should be suspended as I recall.

But perhaps the difference is that Kobe denied raping the girl. Peterson doesn't deny disciplining his son, he even admits that he might have gone too far, though he denies that it was abuse. So perhaps the reaction is a little different for this reason.
I think the difference is that the Kobe incident didn't occur in 2014.
That's right. There are players in the news for things like this every year, but media and social media create instant tidal waves these days. I wonder if guys like Roethlisberger think man, I took a little heat but thank god I don't have to deal with ####-storms these guys gotta deal with.

 
During the season that Kobe Bryant was charged with rape, he continued to play for the Lakers, and was even cheered in the playoffs at the same time as he was going to hearings! I remember that clearly. There didn't seem to be any question of whether or not he should be suspended as I recall.

But perhaps the difference is that Kobe denied raping the girl. Peterson doesn't deny disciplining his son, he even admits that he might have gone too far, though he denies that it was abuse. So perhaps the reaction is a little different for this reason.
I think the difference is that the Kobe incident didn't occur in 2014.
That's right. There are players in the news for things like this every year, but media and social media create instant tidal waves these days. I wonder if guys like Roethlisberger think man, I took a little heat but thank god I don't have to deal with ####-storms these guys gotta deal with.
perhaps this is true, but if it is I'm not sure I really get it. 10 years ago we didn't have twitter or Facebook, but we had the internet, websites, blogs, and 24 hour news cycles. Have things realty changed that much?
 
:lmao: I have a buddy that is a HUGE Vikings fan. Born in MN but lives here in California.

I just remembered that he got a personalized license plate last year that says something like "Skol ADP" or "Skol 28".
One of my best friends, another Vikings fan and incredibly nice guy, named his newborn "Adrian" after Peterson. This was like two months ago.I feel pretty badly for him though as he's pretty shaken up about this.
Guess he should immediately start pretending he's a huge T.J. Hooker fan.
Zmed is a FFA regular. Has been for years. Actually true.

 
People just are becoming intolerant of this stuff more than ever. My kids in college look at people who are racists, homophobes, abusers, etc like they are from a different planet. They don't want to associate with the Donald Sterling's, Ray Rice's, Adrian Peterson's and Greg Hardy's of the world and won't let that stuff slide. It's not just media coverage.

 
BigB hits it on the head. NFL needs to squash this before Sunday or this mess moves to full on ####show.
Once he plays again this blows over.
You think if he plays Sunday all of this blows over?
Sure, why not? There will be some other news story this weekend for people to get in a huff about.
Not going to happen.
Americans have a short attention span
Look, that dog has a puffy tail.

 
FOX Sports NFL ‏@NFLonFOX

JUST IN: the #Vikings have placed Adrian Peterson on the Exempt/Commissioner’s Permission list. He must stay away from all team activities.

 
The NFL and the Vilings are so shameful. Just disgraceful.
A list of recent Vikings in trouble with the law.

-- Reserve running back Caleb King was cut in April, two days after being jailed following an altercation outside an Anoka house party that left a man hospitalized with a severe head injury. King has not been charged with a crime, although team officials said privately that disciplinary issues unrelated to his arrest contributed to his dismissal.

-- Starting cornerback Cook was suspended with pay for most of the 2011 season and returned to the team after being acquitted in March.

-- Fourth-string quarterback Rhett Bomar was cut last year during training camp shortly after being arrested and charged with suspicion of driving while intoxicated in Mankato.

-- Everson Griffen, a talented 2010 fourth-round defensive tackle, was not disciplined despite being arrested twice within three days for confrontations with police in Southern California in January 2011. Charges against Griffen were dropped in one case. In the other, he was sentenced to three years probation and a $10,000 fine.
If you go to YouTube and find Keith Olberman's talk from either Monday or last night, you'll see that the Vikings did not "let the process play out" in these other instances...ONLY for Peterson did they plan to let him play.

 
BigB hits it on the head. NFL needs to squash this before Sunday or this mess moves to full on ####show.
Once he plays again this blows over.
He plays this weekend, its a full on disaster. Zero chance.
The NFL finally figured that out, as did the Vikings. I wonder how many sponsors quietly told the league or the team they'd pull out if he played. We only know the ones who made public noises.

 
During the season that Kobe Bryant was charged with rape, he continued to play for the Lakers, and was even cheered in the playoffs at the same time as he was going to hearings! I remember that clearly. There didn't seem to be any question of whether or not he should be suspended as I recall.

But perhaps the difference is that Kobe denied raping the girl. Peterson doesn't deny disciplining his son, he even admits that he might have gone too far, though he denies that it was abuse. So perhaps the reaction is a little different for this reason.
I think the difference is that the Kobe incident didn't occur in 2014.
That's right. There are players in the news for things like this every year, but media and social media create instant tidal waves these days. I wonder if guys like Roethlisberger think man, I took a little heat but thank god I don't have to deal with ####-storms these guys gotta deal with.
perhaps this is true, but if it is I'm not sure I really get it. 10 years ago we didn't have twitter or Facebook, but we had the internet, websites, blogs, and 24 hour news cycles. Have things realty changed that much?
Yes they have. To get to those things you listed you still had to get on a computer and sit in front of it. What has changed the most IMO is how mobile everything is. Social media ramped it up quite a bit, and at the same time getting updates on your phone all the time accelerated it even more.

Average Joe wasn't on blogs 10 years ago, but that same person has a twitter and facebook app on their phone now.

 
During the season that Kobe Bryant was charged with rape, he continued to play for the Lakers, and was even cheered in the playoffs at the same time as he was going to hearings! I remember that clearly. There didn't seem to be any question of whether or not he should be suspended as I recall.

But perhaps the difference is that Kobe denied raping the girl. Peterson doesn't deny disciplining his son, he even admits that he might have gone too far, though he denies that it was abuse. So perhaps the reaction is a little different for this reason.
Of course you remember it. You were front and center among those cheering

 
:lmao: I have a buddy that is a HUGE Vikings fan. Born in MN but lives here in California.

I just remembered that he got a personalized license plate last year that says something like "Skol ADP" or "Skol 28".
One of my best friends, another Vikings fan and incredibly nice guy, named his newborn "Adrian" after Peterson. This was like two months ago.I feel pretty badly for him though as he's pretty shaken up about this.
Guess he should immediately start pretending he's a huge T.J. Hooker fan.
Zmed is a FFA regular. Has been for years. Actually true.
He was awesome on Confessions of a Teen Idol a few years ago.

 
During the season that Kobe Bryant was charged with rape, he continued to play for the Lakers, and was even cheered in the playoffs at the same time as he was going to hearings! I remember that clearly. There didn't seem to be any question of whether or not he should be suspended as I recall.

But perhaps the difference is that Kobe denied raping the girl. Peterson doesn't deny disciplining his son, he even admits that he might have gone too far, though he denies that it was abuse. So perhaps the reaction is a little different for this reason.
It essentially exactly the same thing - Kobe did not deny plowing that hotel employee from behind, just said that she was asking for it. Peterson does not deny spanking his kid - just that his kid deserved it, and wouldn't cry so he had to hit him more.

 
During the season that Kobe Bryant was charged with rape, he continued to play for the Lakers, and was even cheered in the playoffs at the same time as he was going to hearings! I remember that clearly. There didn't seem to be any question of whether or not he should be suspended as I recall.

But perhaps the difference is that Kobe denied raping the girl. Peterson doesn't deny disciplining his son, he even admits that he might have gone too far, though he denies that it was abuse. So perhaps the reaction is a little different for this reason.
Of course you remember it. You were front and center among those cheering
I'm surprised he didn't mention how much he supported Big Ben as well.

 
During the season that Kobe Bryant was charged with rape, he continued to play for the Lakers, and was even cheered in the playoffs at the same time as he was going to hearings! I remember that clearly. There didn't seem to be any question of whether or not he should be suspended as I recall.

But perhaps the difference is that Kobe denied raping the girl. Peterson doesn't deny disciplining his son, he even admits that he might have gone too far, though he denies that it was abuse. So perhaps the reaction is a little different for this reason.
Of course you remember it. You were front and center among those cheering
I'm surprised he didn't mention how much he supported Big Ben as well.
Patience, my friend. Patience.

 
NFL needs to be prepared to indefinitely suspend anyone accused of a crime going forward

Neat league
ADP owner or Vikings fan?

Dude has admitted to beating his kid with a stick to the point of bleeding and leaving significant residual marks. He's got slightly more important things to attend/answer to right now than the football field. #### that guy...

 
During the season that Kobe Bryant was charged with rape, he continued to play for the Lakers, and was even cheered in the playoffs at the same time as he was going to hearings! I remember that clearly. There didn't seem to be any question of whether or not he should be suspended as I recall.

But perhaps the difference is that Kobe denied raping the girl. Peterson doesn't deny disciplining his son, he even admits that he might have gone too far, though he denies that it was abuse. So perhaps the reaction is a little different for this reason.
It essentially exactly the same thing - Kobe did not deny plowing that hotel employee from behind, just said that she was asking for it. Peterson does not deny spanking his kid - just that his kid deserved it, and wouldn't cry so he had to hit him more.
"Essentially exactly" indeed.

 
NFL needs to be prepared to indefinitely suspend anyone accused of a crime going forward

Neat league
Not necessarily. Rice and AP don't involve accusation situations. Rice knocked his girlfriend out with a left hook. AP whipped his kid with a switch 10+ times causing injuries to his back, buttock, legs, hands and genitals. These are admitted/established facts. These aren't just accusations.

 
NFL needs to be prepared to indefinitely suspend anyone accused of a crime going forward

Neat league
ADP owner or Vikings fan?

Dude has admitted to beating his kid with a stick to the point of bleeding and leaving significant residual marks. He's got slightly more important things to attend/answer to right now than the football field. #### that guy...
Peterson owner

Don't condone what he did but don't like the precedent NFL has set with these recent rulings and how they keep caving to public opinion

 
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During the season that Kobe Bryant was charged with rape, he continued to play for the Lakers, and was even cheered in the playoffs at the same time as he was going to hearings! I remember that clearly. There didn't seem to be any question of whether or not he should be suspended as I recall.

But perhaps the difference is that Kobe denied raping the girl. Peterson doesn't deny disciplining his son, he even admits that he might have gone too far, though he denies that it was abuse. So perhaps the reaction is a little different for this reason.
I think the difference is that the Kobe incident didn't occur in 2014.
That's right. There are players in the news for things like this every year, but media and social media create instant tidal waves these days. I wonder if guys like Roethlisberger think man, I took a little heat but thank god I don't have to deal with ####-storms these guys gotta deal with.
Have things realty changed that much?
10 years ago, you weren't here posting at the FFA. Things can change a lot in 10 years.

 
NFL needs to be prepared to indefinitely suspend anyone accused of a crime going forward

Neat league
ADP owner or Vikings fan?

Dude has admitted to beating his kid with a stick to the point of bleeding and leaving significant residual marks. He's got slightly more important things to attend/answer to right now than the football field. #### that guy...
Peterson owner

Don't condone what he did but don't like the precedent NFL has set with these recent rulings and how they keep caving to public opinion
Yeah! How dare an employer cater to its customer base! The NFL should be ashamed!

 
NFL needs to be prepared to indefinitely suspend anyone accused of a crime going forward

Neat league
ADP owner or Vikings fan?

Dude has admitted to beating his kid with a stick to the point of bleeding and leaving significant residual marks. He's got slightly more important things to attend/answer to right now than the football field. #### that guy...
Peterson ownerDon't condone what he did but don't like the precedent NFL has set with these recent rulings and how they keep caving to public opinion
Yeah! How dare an employer cater to its customer base! The NFL should be ashamed!
I think it's a lot of faux outrage...I'm guessing the stadium still would have been full on Sunday and people would have tuned in to watch it on TV. You really think Joe Blow is switching to Miller Lite unless Budweiser pulls it's sponsorship?

 
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I'm hoping they are smart enough to draw the line at established evidence situations (ie Rice/ADP) otherwise this DOES open the door for accusations being thrown around to freeze out stud players. Otherwise implications within the gambling community are huge:

"Hey girl, we'll give you $150k to accuse Aaron Rodgers of rape while we load up on (opponent) in (game)"

 
NFL needs to be prepared to indefinitely suspend anyone accused of a crime going forward

Neat league
ADP owner or Vikings fan?

Dude has admitted to beating his kid with a stick to the point of bleeding and leaving significant residual marks. He's got slightly more important things to attend/answer to right now than the football field. #### that guy...
Peterson owner

Don't condone what he did but don't like the precedent NFL has set with these recent rulings and how they keep caving to public opinion
Yeah! How dare an employer cater to its customer base! The NFL should be ashamed!
:shrug: Ratings were high this past week - fans are a fickle bunch. They yell, they scream, they gnash their teeth, but they can't turn away.

 
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During the season that Kobe Bryant was charged with rape, he continued to play for the Lakers, and was even cheered in the playoffs at the same time as he was going to hearings! I remember that clearly. There didn't seem to be any question of whether or not he should be suspended as I recall.

But perhaps the difference is that Kobe denied raping the girl. Peterson doesn't deny disciplining his son, he even admits that he might have gone too far, though he denies that it was abuse. So perhaps the reaction is a little different for this reason.
I think the difference is that the Kobe incident didn't occur in 2014.
That's right. There are players in the news for things like this every year, but media and social media create instant tidal waves these days. I wonder if guys like Roethlisberger think man, I took a little heat but thank god I don't have to deal with ####-storms these guys gotta deal with.
Have things realty changed that much?
10 years ago, you weren't here posting at the FFA. Things can change a lot in 10 years.
damn you're obsessed.
 
NFL needs to be prepared to indefinitely suspend anyone accused of a crime going forward

Neat league
ADP owner or Vikings fan?

Dude has admitted to beating his kid with a stick to the point of bleeding and leaving significant residual marks. He's got slightly more important things to attend/answer to right now than the football field. #### that guy...
Peterson owner

Don't condone what he did but don't like the precedent NFL has set with these recent rulings and how they keep caving to public opinion
Yeah! How dare an employer cater to its customer base! The NFL should be ashamed!
:shrug: Ratings were high this past week - fans are a fickle bunch. They yell, they scream, they gnash their test, but they can't turn away.
This isn't a short-term thing. Ratings for single weeks are notoriously fickle, they depend on all kinds of factors like matchups and weather and whatnot. If there's any impact it would be felt down the line due to slowly eroding passion for the league, and also with things like jersey sales and whatnot.

 
I'm hoping they are smart enough to draw the line at established evidence situations (ie Rice/ADP) otherwise this DOES open the door for accusations being thrown around to freeze out stud players. Otherwise implications within the gambling community are huge:

"Hey girl, we'll give you $150k to accuse Aaron Rodgers of rape while we load up on (opponent) in (game)"
The guy who broke the AP story in Houston joked on the radio that while he was working on the story it took everything in his power not to call his bookie to put a bunch of money on the patriots.

 
During the season that Kobe Bryant was charged with rape, he continued to play for the Lakers, and was even cheered in the playoffs at the same time as he was going to hearings! I remember that clearly. There didn't seem to be any question of whether or not he should be suspended as I recall.

But perhaps the difference is that Kobe denied raping the girl. Peterson doesn't deny disciplining his son, he even admits that he might have gone too far, though he denies that it was abuse. So perhaps the reaction is a little different for this reason.
I think the difference is that the Kobe incident didn't occur in 2014.
That's right. There are players in the news for things like this every year, but media and social media create instant tidal waves these days. I wonder if guys like Roethlisberger think man, I took a little heat but thank god I don't have to deal with ####-storms these guys gotta deal with.
Have things realty changed that much?
10 years ago, you weren't here posting at the FFA. Things can change a lot in 10 years.
damn you're obsessed.
Seriously? :wall:

Well, as you said before, you do know more about me than I could ever possibly know about you (and your 100,000 opinions on EVERYTHING).

 
I've never heard the Exempt/Commissioner's Permission List before. Who else has been placed on it?
http://www.ibtimes.com/what-exemptcommissioners-permission-list-adrian-peterson-banned-vikings-team-activities-1690450

In 2009, quarterback Michael Vick, then a member of the Philadelphia Eagles, was placed on the exempt list after serving a jail sentence and suspension for his participation in an illegal dogfighting ring. Similarly, former Tampa Bay Buccaneers safety Tanard Jackson was placed on the exempt list in 2011 after returning from a year-long ban for violating the NFL's substance abuse policy. Former New Orleans Saints linebacker Jonathan Vilma spent time on the list in 2012 after a suspension for his involve in that organization's "BountyGate" scandal, though his stay was health-related. However, both Vick and Jackson were allowed to practice while on the exempt list, which indicates that the Vikings made the decision to ban Peterson from practice.

The exempt/commissioner's permission list isn't necessarily reserved for troubled players. The Buccaneers placed running back Jeff Demps on the list in 2013 during his pursuit of an Olympic track career, Deadspin notes.
 
I've never heard the Exempt/Commissioner's Permission List before. Who else has been placed on it?
http://www.ibtimes.com/what-exemptcommissioners-permission-list-adrian-peterson-banned-vikings-team-activities-1690450

In 2009, quarterback Michael Vick, then a member of the Philadelphia Eagles, was placed on the exempt list after serving a jail sentence and suspension for his participation in an illegal dogfighting ring. Similarly, former Tampa Bay Buccaneers safety Tanard Jackson was placed on the exempt list in 2011 after returning from a year-long ban for violating the NFL's substance abuse policy. Former New Orleans Saints linebacker Jonathan Vilma spent time on the list in 2012 after a suspension for his involve in that organization's "BountyGate" scandal, though his stay was health-related. However, both Vick and Jackson were allowed to practice while on the exempt list, which indicates that the Vikings made the decision to ban Peterson from practice.

The exempt/commissioner's permission list isn't necessarily reserved for troubled players. The Buccaneers placed running back Jeff Demps on the list in 2013 during his pursuit of an Olympic track career, Deadspin notes.
thanks.
 
NFL needs to be prepared to indefinitely suspend anyone accused of a crime going forward

Neat league
ADP owner or Vikings fan?

Dude has admitted to beating his kid with a stick to the point of bleeding and leaving significant residual marks. He's got slightly more important things to attend/answer to right now than the football field. #### that guy...
Peterson owner

Don't condone what he did but don't like the precedent NFL has set with these recent rulings and how they keep caving to public opinion
I think they'll find the right balance. This is all still a very new thing (fans giving a #### about domestic violence), and the initial responses make sense.

Ultimately, it's pretty similar to the Sterling situation. Some were/are worried about the slippery slope of caving to public opinion, but really, the public is quite forgiving overall and specific in what won't be accepted.

 
During the season that Kobe Bryant was charged with rape, he continued to play for the Lakers, and was even cheered in the playoffs at the same time as he was going to hearings! I remember that clearly. There didn't seem to be any question of whether or not he should be suspended as I recall.

But perhaps the difference is that Kobe denied raping the girl. Peterson doesn't deny disciplining his son, he even admits that he might have gone too far, though he denies that it was abuse. So perhaps the reaction is a little different for this reason.
I think the difference is that the Kobe incident didn't occur in 2014.
That's right. There are players in the news for things like this every year, but media and social media create instant tidal waves these days. I wonder if guys like Roethlisberger think man, I took a little heat but thank god I don't have to deal with ####-storms these guys gotta deal with.
Have things realty changed that much?
10 years ago, you weren't here posting at the FFA. Things can change a lot in 10 years.
damn you're obsessed.
Seriously? :wall: Well, as you said before, you do know more about me than I could ever possibly know about you (and your 100,000 opinions on EVERYTHING).
dude, I don't know and I really don't care. As I recall, you were a pretty intelligent poster in the past with strong views on a lot of subjects. In the last few days though you've made an awful lot of posts about me, all of them focusing on how often I post. You even started a thread about it. I have no freaking idea why you care so much. Get over it already.
 
I'm hoping they are smart enough to draw the line at established evidence situations (ie Rice/ADP) otherwise this DOES open the door for accusations being thrown around to freeze out stud players. Otherwise implications within the gambling community are huge:

"Hey girl, we'll give you $150k to accuse Aaron Rodgers of rape while we load up on (opponent) in (game)"
The guy who broke the AP story in Houston joked on the radio that while he was working on the story it took everything in his power not to call his bookie to put a bunch of money on the patriots.
Probably should be suspended/fired from his job for violating gambling laws imo

 
I'm hoping they are smart enough to draw the line at established evidence situations (ie Rice/ADP) otherwise this DOES open the door for accusations being thrown around to freeze out stud players. Otherwise implications within the gambling community are huge:

"Hey girl, we'll give you $150k to accuse Aaron Rodgers of rape while we load up on (opponent) in (game)"
The guy who broke the AP story in Houston joked on the radio that while he was working on the story it took everything in his power not to call his bookie to put a bunch of money on the patriots.
Probably should be suspended/fired from his job for violating gambling laws imo
He may have said "call Vegas" or "make a quick trip to Vegas" or something similar. But, yes, he's a big sports gambler.

 

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