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Adrian Peterson's turn to get the boot from the NFL (2 Viewers)

bigbottom said:
Henry Ford said:
otello said:
October is Domestic Violence Awareness Month

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/10/22/2818051/women-color-domestic-violence/
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An awareness campaign in the NFL that would actually make a difference. Too bad they already gave October to breast cancer.
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The NFL hasn't yet figured out how to sell merch related to domestic violence awareness. But they will.
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The No More campaign uses a teal that's pretty similar to the Jaguars color, but other than that it could be a league-wide campaign color.

 
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Henry Ford said:
Apparently purple is the color of domestic violence awareness. Given the Ravens and Vikings issues this season, wouldn't be the worst idea...
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Awesome.

Though, some dual fundraising would be great. Pink & Purple jerseys and apparel would be pretty sweet. It's a little late in the game to make the switch, but hey, the kids in China don't need to sleep these next two weeks.

 
pollardsvision said:
Henry Ford said:
Apparently purple is the color of domestic violence awareness. Given the Ravens and Vikings issues this season, wouldn't be the worst idea...
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Awesome.

Though, some dual fundraising would be great. Pink & Purple jerseys and apparel would be pretty sweet. It's a little late in the game to make the switch, but hey, the kids in China don't need to sleep these next two weeks.
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Brilliant! 4% of sales to each charity...NFL can get some great publicity and save some money by not having 2 seperate months of donations

 
pollardsvision said:
Henry Ford said:
Apparently purple is the color of domestic violence awareness. Given the Ravens and Vikings issues this season, wouldn't be the worst idea...
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Awesome.

Though, some dual fundraising would be great. Pink & Purple jerseys and apparel would be pretty sweet. It's a little late in the game to make the switch, but hey, the kids in China don't need to sleep these next two weeks.
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The NFL making purple bags that you can actually carry into the stadium would be a heck of a start. And it would join the Purple Purse Program.

 
Found this rather interesting,sorry if it's a repost

How has the NFL punished players arrested for domestic violence? The answer varies depending on the player.

For example, more than half of players who have been accused of domestic violence during Roger Goodell's tenure as commissioner have gone without punishment from the league.

Indeed, the National Football League's policy when it comes to domestic violence against a player's spouse or girlfriend varies dramatically from case to case. Since Goodell took over as commissioner in August 2006, USA Today reports that there have been 57 cases of alleged domestic violence incidents.

While 10 players were cut from their teams as a result of the incidents, only 12 others received any form of suspension from the league. That means that the remaining 34 cases went unpunished, according to the USA Today database of all NFL player arrests. (One of the players included on the list killed himself after fatally shooting his girlfriend.)

The figures can be broken even further: USA Today reports that charges were dropped or never filed in 17 of the cases, and 14 others were allowed to go through some form of a diversion program or domestic violence counseling to have their charges dropped. Five of the cases ended in acquittals while only eight involved guilty pleas or the players agreeing to plea to a lesser charge. Of the 57 cases, which involve 54 players, 11 of the outcomes were listed as undetermined.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/nfl-punished-players-arrested-domestic-violence-goodell-era/story?id=25534452
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Sinn Fein said:
Washington, DC –Congresswoman Terri A. Sewell (AL-07) elaborated upon her call for the resignation of U.S. District Judge Mark Fuller in response to his recent arrest for battery after an altercation with his wife. Congresswoman Sewell first stated her position in a September 10th posting on social media and today released the following additional statement:

"All acts of domestic violence are unacceptable and should not be tolerated. No one committing such abusive acts should get a pass. This is especially true for those charged with upholding and enforcing the law. Judge Fuller has violated the public trust and should resign. As a federal judge, Judge Fuller holds a position of high authority and should be held to a higher standard of behavior. His actions are currently under review by a judicial council that will make a determination of misconduct and recommend disciplinary action that can include suspension of cases, requesting that a judge retire or public reprimand. Ultimately, the Constitution gives Congress the authority to impeach members of the judiciary branch for misconduct. I will not hesitate in joining my colleagues to institute such proceedings if warranted.

While it is important to allow the disciplinary process to play out, I believe the integrity of the court has already been compromised by Judge Fuller's actions and subsequent arrest. I, therefore, join my constituents in calling for the immediate resignation of Federal Judge Mark Fuller. If an NFL player can lose his job because of domestic violence then a federal judge should definitely not be allowed to keep his life-time appointment to the federal bench. It is my hope that Judge Fuller would spare us the expense and further public humiliation by doing the right thing and resigning."
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Need more media coverage of this imo
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i agree

and i think all of this judges's sponsors should pull out today.

 
Sinn Fein said:
Also funny that the NFL is being browbeaten into disciplining players, while a federal judge is arrested for domestic violence, and carries on as if nothing happened, waiting for the process to play out in court of law.

I guess its ok for rich white guys to beat their wives, but not black athletes...
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lol...

so do you want to force sponsor's to stick with the nfl and teams? Why do you hate the free market?

 
From the German Bookseller's Peace Prize acceptance speech of Astrid Lindgren:

I should like to tell all those clamouring for a more rigorous approach and tighter reins what an old lady once told me. She was a young mother in the days when people still believed in the idea of “Spare the rod and spoil the child” – or rather, she didn’t really believe in it, but one day when her little boy did something naughty, she decided he had to have a good hiding, the first one of his life. She told him to go out and find a suitably supple stick or rod for her to use. The little boy was away for a long time. He eventually came back in tears and announced: “I can’t find a rod, but here’s a stone you can throw at me.” At which point his mother also burst into tears, because it had suddenly dawned on her how her little boy must have regarded what was about to happen. He must have thought: “My mum wants to hurt me, and she can do that just as well by throwing a stone at me.”

She threw her arms round him, and they spent some time crying together. Then she placed the stone on a shelf in the kitchen, and it stayed there as a permanent reminder of the promise she had made to herself at that moment: never violence!
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Henry Ford said:
From the German Bookseller's Peace Prize acceptance speech of Astrid Lindgren:

I should like to tell all those clamouring for a more rigorous approach and tighter reins what an old lady once told me. She was a young mother in the days when people still believed in the idea of “Spare the rod and spoil the child” – or rather, she didn’t really believe in it, but one day when her little boy did something naughty, she decided he had to have a good hiding, the first one of his life. She told him to go out and find a suitably supple stick or rod for her to use. The little boy was away for a long time. He eventually came back in tears and announced: “I can’t find a rod, but here’s a stone you can throw at me.” At which point his mother also burst into tears, because it had suddenly dawned on her how her little boy must have regarded what was about to happen. He must have thought: “My mum wants to hurt me, and she can do that just as well by throwing a stone at me.”

She threw her arms round him, and they spent some time crying together. Then she placed the stone on a shelf in the kitchen, and it stayed there as a permanent reminder of the promise she had made to herself at that moment: never violence!
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I like that story.

 
What an absolute mess.

Lets say in the situation of Hardy, his trial isn't until 2015. Could the NFL hold a hearing with him to have a defacto trial? Would the proceedings be subject to subpoena?

 
culdeus said:
What an absolute mess.

Lets say in the situation of Hardy, his trial isn't until 2015. Could the NFL hold a hearing with him to have a defacto trial? Would the proceedings be subject to subpoena?
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Absolutely - this is generally why the NFL lets things play out in court first - they would never be able to get the player's version of events if the player was represented by an attorney - who would not allow their client to testify...

 
My daughters, who have no interest in the NFL and to the best of my knowledge have never watched even part of an NFL game outside of the Superbowl pregame and halftime shows, asked me last night about Adrian Peterson and Ray Rice, two names they were unaware of before now. It appears to be the topic dominating the lunchtime and recess in the middle school and high school they attend. I found that rather interesting- these stories are transcending football in a way other sports related domestic violence stories never have.

I still am not sure we will ever know all the reasons why these two athletes have caught the public's attention: why them and why now?

 
timschochet said:
My daughters, who have no interest in the NFL and to the best of my knowledge have never watched even part of an NFL game outside of the Superbowl pregame and halftime shows, asked me last night about Adrian Peterson and Ray Rice, two names they were unaware of before now. It appears to be the topic dominating the lunchtime and recess in the middle school and high school they attend. I found that rather interesting- these stories are transcending football in a way other sports related domestic violence stories never have.

I still am not sure we will ever know all the reasons why these two athletes have caught the public's attention: why them and why now?
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Video killed the football star....

 
timschochet said:
My daughters, who have no interest in the NFL and to the best of my knowledge have never watched even part of an NFL game outside of the Superbowl pregame and halftime shows, asked me last night about Adrian Peterson and Ray Rice, two names they were unaware of before now. It appears to be the topic dominating the lunchtime and recess in the middle school and high school they attend. I found that rather interesting- these stories are transcending football in a way other sports related domestic violence stories never have.

I still am not sure we will ever know all the reasons why these two athletes have caught the public's attention: why them and why now?
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Um, video maybe. Try to clue in a bit.

 
timschochet said:
My daughters, who have no interest in the NFL and to the best of my knowledge have never watched even part of an NFL game outside of the Superbowl pregame and halftime shows, asked me last night about Adrian Peterson and Ray Rice, two names they were unaware of before now. It appears to be the topic dominating the lunchtime and recess in the middle school and high school they attend. I found that rather interesting- these stories are transcending football in a way other sports related domestic violence stories never have.

I still am not sure we will ever know all the reasons why these two athletes have caught the public's attention: why them and why now?
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When is the last time you saw a video of an athlete knocking out a woman? Or, the backside of a scarred 4-yo?

Certainly these things happen everyday - but it takes a high profile person, and the video/picture imagery to bring it to the forefront. And in the Facebook era, once a story like this gets going, there is no containing it - and maybe thats a good thing. Shining a light on these issues is probably not a bad idea in a macro sense.

I do think Peterson's discipline regimen is a more personal decision, and looking strictly at the outcome is not the best way to approach that conversation. But, with Rice, hitting anyone the way he hit his fiancé should warrant punishment.

Where I think I have issues is much the same as the post 9/11 conversations - you can't espouse views that run contrary to the mob - exercising caution and restraint is tantamount to beating your wife and kids.

Somewhere there should be a happy medium between a public lynching, and condoning the actions.

 
Sure, the video's part of it, I've already written that several times (try to clue in a little bit, Culdeus.) But it's not the only thing. There are a host of factors. As many people have noticed, public attitudes have changed. Social media is a factor. There is also the confluence of events- if Goodell had originally suspended Rice for 8 weeks or a year, I doubt the 2nd video would have much power. If Adrian Peterson had committed his act either before the Rice video, or several years after, or if there had been no Rice story to begin with, I doubt we would be responding to Peterson the same way.

But even beyond all this, there is still the question of why these stories took off the way they did in the public eye, and not just among NFL fans. You can never predict when a story is simply going to explode.

 
timschochet said:
Sure, the video's part of it, I've already written that several times (try to clue in a little bit, Culdeus.) But it's not the only thing. There are a host of factors. As many people have noticed, public attitudes have changed. Social media is a factor. There is also the confluence of events- if Goodell had originally suspended Rice for 8 weeks or a year, I doubt the 2nd video would have much power. If Adrian Peterson had committed his act either before the Rice video, or several years after, or if there had been no Rice story to begin with, I doubt we would be responding to Peterson the same way.

But even beyond all this, there is still the question of why these stories took off the way they did in the public eye, and not just among NFL fans. You can never predict when a story is simply going to explode.
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:no:

 
Sinn Fein said:
timschochet said:
My daughters, who have no interest in the NFL and to the best of my knowledge have never watched even part of an NFL game outside of the Superbowl pregame and halftime shows, asked me last night about Adrian Peterson and Ray Rice, two names they were unaware of before now. It appears to be the topic dominating the lunchtime and recess in the middle school and high school they attend. I found that rather interesting- these stories are transcending football in a way other sports related domestic violence stories never have.

I still am not sure we will ever know all the reasons why these two athletes have caught the public's attention: why them and why now?
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When is the last time you saw a video of an athlete knocking out a woman? Or, the backside of a scarred 4-yo?

Certainly these things happen everyday - but it takes a high profile person, and the video/picture imagery to bring it to the forefront. And in the Facebook era, once a story like this gets going, there is no containing it - and maybe thats a good thing. Shining a light on these issues is probably not a bad idea in a macro sense.

I do think Peterson's discipline regimen is a more personal decision, and looking strictly at the outcome is not the best way to approach that conversation. But, with Rice, hitting anyone the way he hit his fiancé should warrant punishment.

Where I think I have issues is much the same as the post 9/11 conversations - you can't espouse views that run contrary to the mob - exercising caution and restraint is tantamount to beating your wife and kids.

Somewhere there should be a happy medium between a public lynching, and condoning the actions.
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I think this is true. It was true in the Sandusky case, where any defense of either Joe Paterno or Penn State was treated as a defense of molestation. And it's true here. Yesterday, I tried to suggest that there was, according to some people, ambiguity in the Adrian Peterson case- even though I made clear that I did not share that opinion. I was attacked for even suggesting it.

In the case of 9/11 which you mentioned, this sort of mob mentality led to a much more dangerous result- the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Anyone who attempted to argue rationally against either of those conflicts was accused of a lack of patriotism.

 
culdeus said:
What an absolute mess.

Lets say in the situation of Hardy, his trial isn't until 2015. Could the NFL hold a hearing with him to have a defacto trial? Would the proceedings be subject to subpoena?
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The NFL doesn't want to touch that with a ten-foot pole.

 
When you have every news outlet running the story over and over again and then couple that with ESPN and every other sports outlet doing the same thing of course it's going to turn into a ##### storm.Hell even political talk radio dove right into this mess head first.

As was stated before seeing Rice knock out his soon to be wife was very powerful but I always ask myself what exactly did they think he did to her in the elevator?Had we never seen the 2nd version this would have just went away IMO.

 
Hardy's not in the public eye. Nobody outside of NFL fans have heard of him (and not all of them either.) The NFL can be inconsistent with Hardy, and it won't make any difference.

 
timschochet said:
Sure, the video's part of it, I've already written that several times (try to clue in a little bit, Culdeus.)
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Perhaps he tends to skip posts with lots of back and forth when he's on his iPhone, as well as pages that have gone by. He'd like to read every post but he doesn't.

;)

 
timschochet said:
Sinn Fein said:
timschochet said:
My daughters, who have no interest in the NFL and to the best of my knowledge have never watched even part of an NFL game outside of the Superbowl pregame and halftime shows, asked me last night about Adrian Peterson and Ray Rice, two names they were unaware of before now. It appears to be the topic dominating the lunchtime and recess in the middle school and high school they attend. I found that rather interesting- these stories are transcending football in a way other sports related domestic violence stories never have.

I still am not sure we will ever know all the reasons why these two athletes have caught the public's attention: why them and why now?
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When is the last time you saw a video of an athlete knocking out a woman? Or, the backside of a scarred 4-yo?

Certainly these things happen everyday - but it takes a high profile person, and the video/picture imagery to bring it to the forefront. And in the Facebook era, once a story like this gets going, there is no containing it - and maybe thats a good thing. Shining a light on these issues is probably not a bad idea in a macro sense.

I do think Peterson's discipline regimen is a more personal decision, and looking strictly at the outcome is not the best way to approach that conversation. But, with Rice, hitting anyone the way he hit his fiancé should warrant punishment.

Where I think I have issues is much the same as the post 9/11 conversations - you can't espouse views that run contrary to the mob - exercising caution and restraint is tantamount to beating your wife and kids.

Somewhere there should be a happy medium between a public lynching, and condoning the actions.
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I think this is true. It was true in the Sandusky case, where any defense of either Joe Paterno or Penn State was treated as a defense of molestation. And it's true here. Yesterday, I tried to suggest that there was, according to some people, ambiguity in the Adrian Peterson case- even though I made clear that I did not share that opinion. I was attacked for even suggesting it.
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There is no ambiguity in the Peterson case with respect to the injuries that were caused and what caused them. The only ambiguity is whether, under Texas law, AP's actions rise to the level of criminal conduct.

 
Sinn Fein said:
Somewhere there should be a happy medium between a public lynching, and condoning the actions.
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To be fair, I think pretty much 99.99% of people fall somewhere between those two positions. I think there is one lady in Akron, Ohio who is calling for a public lynching, but that's about it.

 
tom22406 said:
As was stated before seeing Rice knock out his soon to be wife was very powerful but I always ask myself what exactly did they think he did to her in the elevator?
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A lot of people ask this question, but consider:

What did people think war looked like before the images from Vietnam came out in the late 1960s? Images, and especially video, can make all the difference -- logical or not.

 
Doug B said:
tom22406 said:
As was stated before seeing Rice knock out his soon to be wife was very powerful but I always ask myself what exactly did they think he did to her in the elevator?
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A lot of people ask this question, but consider:

What did people think war looked like before the images from Vietnam came out in the late 1960s? Images, and especially video, can make all the difference -- logical or not.
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Sure and I get that but we already saw him drag her out of the elevator lifeless so it was pretty clear to me that something bad had went down.Of course seeing the act was very disturbing and changed everything as is with most things of this nature.

I'm a Ravens fan and loved Rice as a player but what he did was horrendous and I'm glad the video was finally released.I will not be one of those fans to wear his jersey ever again and in fact I already donated it to my local church who does a clothes drive for those in need.

 
bigbottom said:
Sinn Fein said:
Somewhere there should be a happy medium between a public lynching, and condoning the actions.
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To be fair, I think pretty much 99.99% of people fall somewhere between those two positions. I think there is one lady in Akron, Ohio who is calling for a public lynching, but that's about it.
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I think, ultimately, people just want to feel like the NFL gives a ####.

I think if the NFL handed Rice a 6 game suspension before video #2 dropped and, of course, not lied about having seen the video, then we wouldn't be seeing nearly this much backlash. The timing of the Josh Gordon suspension didn't help either.

The video just killed the typical "let's give them due process route".

Going forward, I think the happy medium is 4-8 game suspensions for things that didn't get punished in the past. That's a big step.

If you are a marginal player, it could mean the end of your career (old RB's need to take heed of this).

For an important player, that's a stiff penalty where the NFL isn't looking the other way, but guys have a chance to continue their career. .

 
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Sure and I get that but we already saw him drag her out of the elevator lifeless so it was pretty clear to me that something bad had went down.
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Yes, but only from an academic sense (" ... I know, I deduce that something bad went down ..."). But even the knowledge of "something bad" leaves room for a mental "out" from the observers of that first video.

Something else about video that adds to it's visceral effect is that it changes the duration and repetitiveness of the incident. Thus video can be more impactful than even seeing it in person (seeing it come-and-go first hand, having your brain say "Did I just see that?!?"). Video allows repeated viewing and viewing in non-real-time speeds (slow motion). Video replay allows details of the incident to be verified (as well as the video's fidelity allows) to the satisaction of the obsever.

 
tom22406 said:
I guess Hope Solo isn't a big enough star to cause the needle to move?
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She got together with Stevens well after he was out of the league, right? Off to Google to check the timeline.

EDIT: yeah, his arrest for assaulting Hope Solo was on November 12, 2012, two years after he left he NFL (waived by Tampa Bay on October 25, 2010 after a marijuana-posession arrest). FWIW, Stevens and Solo got married the very next day (November 13, 2012) after Stevens was arrested.

 
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Doug B said:
tom22406 said:
I guess Hope Solo isn't a big enough star to cause the needle to move?
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She got together with Stevens well after he was out of the league, right? Off to Google to check the timeline.

EDIT: yeah, his arrest for assaulting Hope Solo was on November 12, 2012, two years after he left he NFL (waived by Tampa Bay on October 25, 2010 after a marijuana-posession arrest). FWIW, Stevens and Solo got married the very next day (November 13, 2012) after Stevens was arrested.
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I remember seeing this, but it's mind numbing to comprehend a marriage a day after an assault.

 
Tackling Dummies said:
Doug B said:
tom22406 said:
I guess Hope Solo isn't a big enough star to cause the needle to move?
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She got together with Stevens well after he was out of the league, right? Off to Google to check the timeline.

EDIT: yeah, his arrest for assaulting Hope Solo was on November 12, 2012, two years after he left he NFL (waived by Tampa Bay on October 25, 2010 after a marijuana-posession arrest). FWIW, Stevens and Solo got married the very next day (November 13, 2012) after Stevens was arrested.
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I remember seeing this, but it's mind numbing to comprehend a marriage a day after an assault.
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Let's hope these two keep the goalie in place forever

 
timschochet said:
Sure, the video's part of it, I've already written that several times (try to clue in a little bit, Culdeus.) But it's not the only thing. There are a host of factors. As many people have noticed, public attitudes have changed. Social media is a factor. There is also the confluence of events- if Goodell had originally suspended Rice for 8 weeks or a year, I doubt the 2nd video would have much power. If Adrian Peterson had committed his act either before the Rice video, or several years after, or if there had been no Rice story to begin with, I doubt we would be responding to Peterson the same way.

But even beyond all this, there is still the question of why these stories took off the way they did in the public eye, and not just among NFL fans. You can never predict when a story is simply going to explode.
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Without the video he does two games and the rest of these guys get 2 at a max, and there isn't even a thread in the FFA on it. It exploded because the video was there. Not because all of a sudden it became uncool to beat your wife.

 
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