Which culture? I got the occasional whooping if I was very bad and it worked imoAs someone said above, this is very likely a cultural issue, that is not quite as black and white as many would like. Education is a more appropriate response than throwing your arms up in abject horror.
I am not a black athlete
He testified in front of both of them apparently.Wait, ADP testified before the Grand Jury? That does fall into the he doesn't think he did anything wrong and cultural aspects of the entire argument.
Welcome to society. Find your own guide.So it's culturally ok to beat your kid. Got it.
I'm curious what allowed the prosecution to represent.He testified in front of both of them apparently.Wait, ADP testified before the Grand Jury? That does fall into the he doesn't think he did anything wrong and cultural aspects of the entire argument.
yes, for some people, they grew up in a culture where this form of punishment is acceptable. The answer is not to throw your hands up in faux outrage, nor is it to turn you back on little Peterson, and others like him. people like Adrian Peterson need to be educated on how to discipline children effectively. What seems normal and appropriate to you, does not register with Peterson. Not because he is a bad guy, he does not know better. he should have to deal with the consequences of this, which should include some basic parenting courses, not time in jail, or missed time from work. (I don't have Peterson on my team)So it's culturally ok to beat your kid. Got it.
Did you see the pictures? The mom claims some of those wounds were still bleeding when she got the kid. The pics I've seen also don't show the bruising that the doctor noted on his report. He deserves whatever punishment he gets. This isn't a DUI or speeding he beat that kid and pretty good.He's done. At least a year. In this environment.... As long as Rice is out ADP is out.
The slope the NFL is sliding down is going to get out of control. Wait until the next DUI arrest. If there is no suspension some MADD activist looking for a headline is going to start screaming.
Do you feel the same about Rice (and countless other players involved with domestic abuse) if the culture they grew up in included violence towards women?yes, for some people, they grew up in a culture where this form of punishment is acceptable. The answer is not to throw your hands up in faux outrage, nor is it to turn you back on little Peterson, and others like him. people like Adrian Peterson need to be educated on how to discipline children effectively. What seems normal and appropriate to you, does not register with Peterson. Not because he is a bad guy, he does not know better. he should have to deal with the consequences of this, which should include some basic parenting courses, not time in jail, or missed time from work. (I don't have Peterson on my team)So it's culturally ok to beat your kid. Got it.
yes, for some people, they grew up in a culture where this form of punishment is acceptable. The answer is not to throw your hands up in faux outrage, nor is it to turn you back on little Peterson, and others like him. people like Adrian Peterson need to be educated on how to discipline children effectively. What seems normal and appropriate to you, does not register with Peterson. Not because he is a bad guy, he does not know better. he should have to deal with the consequences of this, which should include some basic parenting courses, not time in jail, or missed time from work. (I don't have Peterson on my team)So it's culturally ok to beat your kid. Got it.
Are you kidding me? I don't give a flying rats ### what culture he grew up in. He should be in jail. That's what we do with people who do that to children. If this was just some guy he would already be in jail.yes, for some people, they grew up in a culture where this form of punishment is acceptable. The answer is not to throw your hands up in faux outrage, nor is it to turn you back on little Peterson, and others like him. people like Adrian Peterson need to be educated on how to discipline children effectively. What seems normal and appropriate to you, does not register with Peterson. Not because he is a bad guy, he does not know better. he should have to deal with the consequences of this, which should include some basic parenting courses, not time in jail, or missed time from work. (I don't have Peterson on my team)So it's culturally ok to beat your kid. Got it.
yes, for some people, they grew up in a culture where this form of punishment is acceptable. The answer is not to throw your hands up in faux outrage, nor is it to turn you back on little Peterson, and others like him. people like Adrian Peterson need to be educated on how to discipline children effectively. What seems normal and appropriate to you, does not register with Peterson. Not because he is a bad guy, he does not know better. he should have to deal with the consequences of this, which should include some basic parenting courses, not time in jail, or missed time from work. (I don't have Peterson on my team)So it's culturally ok to beat your kid. Got it.![]()
It's unfortunate how the media turns these issues into a complete circus but there is a benefit. I think their are a lot of guys who put a whoopin on their woman or kid and have no ides how socially unacceptable their behavior is. Because they probably grew up in an environment/culture that condones this type of violence, only a collective outrage like this could awaken them to the idea that they are outside of acceptable behavior.
More than he should be looking at if he did the same to his own 4 year old defenseless son. Because of cultural exemptions.So if Peterson "disciplined" a random person with a stick, what kind of jail time would he be looking at?
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and to think he lost a kid to a beating from another guy...this is crazy...after that you would think he would never hit a kidDid you see the pictures? The mom claims some of those wounds were still bleeding when she got the kid. The pics I've seen also don't show the bruising that the doctor noted on his report. He deserves whatever punishment he gets. This isn't a DUI or speeding he beat that kid and pretty good.He's done. At least a year. In this environment.... As long as Rice is out ADP is out.
The slope the NFL is sliding down is going to get out of control. Wait until the next DUI arrest. If there is no suspension some MADD activist looking for a headline is going to start screaming.
Well that's idiotic.So if Peterson "disciplined" a random person with a stick, what kind of jail time would he be looking at? What about his wife? Parents?
Not everywhere it isn't.Are you kidding me? I don't give a flying rats ### what culture he grew up in. He should be in jail. That's what we do with people who do that to children. If this was just some guy he would already be in jail.yes, for some people, they grew up in a culture where this form of punishment is acceptable. The answer is not to throw your hands up in faux outrage, nor is it to turn you back on little Peterson, and others like him. people like Adrian Peterson need to be educated on how to discipline children effectively. What seems normal and appropriate to you, does not register with Peterson. Not because he is a bad guy, he does not know better. he should have to deal with the consequences of this, which should include some basic parenting courses, not time in jail, or missed time from work. (I don't have Peterson on my team)So it's culturally ok to beat your kid. Got it.
Rightand to think he lost a kid to a beating from another guy...this is crazy...after that you would think he would never hit a kidDid you see the pictures? The mom claims some of those wounds were still bleeding when she got the kid. The pics I've seen also don't show the bruising that the doctor noted on his report. He deserves whatever punishment he gets. This isn't a DUI or speeding he beat that kid and pretty good.He's done. At least a year. In this environment.... As long as Rice is out ADP is out.
The slope the NFL is sliding down is going to get out of control. Wait until the next DUI arrest. If there is no suspension some MADD activist looking for a headline is going to start screaming.
Hope he dies in prison by rape. Beat a 4 year old boy on his scrotum. Wow. Die you piece of ####.
Yeah, this is completely wrong.The genie is out of the bottle.As Peterson has stated, this is the kind of discipline he received when he was younger. That isn't in the 50s. That's in the 90s. The pictures look horrible, but I seriously doubt there is nearly as much concensus on this as there is on the Rice case. This is an issue the NFL shouldn't want to get anywhere near in any capacity.He's done. At least a year. In this environment.... As long as Rice is out ADP is out.
The slope the NFL is sliding down is going to get out of control. Wait until the next DUI arrest. If there is no suspension some MADD activist looking for a headline is going to start screaming.
The Rice situation is a joke. PTI for a third degree offense is part of the NJ legal system. IT was a perfectly acceptable sentence given the circumstances including an uncooperative witness.
Nice post. Just maybe AP can learn from this, and break the cycle of abuse. And maybe because of this, some men will think about it before they hit their kids so hard that they put lacerations on their legs that last weeks.This is going to launch a very interesting discussion about corporal punishment in America.
In looking at the pictures posted over at TMZ, those pictures suggest to me that Peterson went overboard on the punishment. It appears to me that he went too far. However, I am not necessarily of the opinion that what he did means he is an abusive father who should become a social pariah, lose his job, etc. I would need more information and facts.
I am really struggling with how our society is shifting so much into this social media realm where every jackass with a Twitter account or internet access can pop off and suggest that everything is black and white and act as if they are so above and beyond reproach for any of their conduct. We have this tendency at the moment to make momentous judgments and statements about incidents where we lack much of the context surrounding the events at hand.
I have two boys with a considerable age gap. With my first and when he was young and I was young, I look back and remember times when I spanked my boy too hard and got carried away. I know that being a young father that I was sometimes too quick to resort to spanking or a belt. With my younger son and now that I am older, I will still spank but with much less frequency. I believe there is a time and place for corporal punishment, but also believe that most of the time there are more constructive ways to handle the situation.
I know that when I was a kid, there were a lot of us that were punished similarly to how Peterson punished his son, or worse. I had a black friend who was the youngest of like 8 kids. He was one of those kids who just sometimes refused to obey his parents. He knew there were consequences and did it anyway. I know that he would get beat with electrical cords from the iron, broom handles, paddles, etc. There were times I got beat with the belt and many times that out of fear of the pain I tried to block the belt/strap with my hands only to end up getting marked up on my lower thighs, my sides, my hands, upper back, etc.
I am not saying that those punishments are healthy. But, I also have trouble faulting someone who grew up and was exposed to that environment incorporating that into how they handle the punishment of their kids.
There may be additional information that comes out so I reserve the right to change my mind. But, it just seems to me that we as a society need to find a way to balance consequences with education and rehabilitation. We need to find ways to help each other grow and become a stronger society and spend less time trying to demonize and tear people down.
I am getting sick of living in a world where every time someone does or says something we disagree with, we want to throw them into the abyss almost as if through some sort of bullying by national collective so that we can individually feel enlightened or better about ourselves.
Do we really want to live in a world where a private sports league is now required through political pressure to exact harsher punishments than our own justice system on people? Does Ray Rice really need to be banned from playing football for life because he behaved terribly one night in an elevator? I find it disgusting that he isn't in jail, but he is just a freaking football player. Do we really want to live in a world where a guy who was "taught" how to raise a child with a heavy hand or switch is demonized and turned into some monster instead of using it as a constructive exercise and a teaching moment for all of us? Do we really want to live in a world where someone who is raised by his family and church to believe that marriage is between a man and woman can be blackballed and kicked out of their CEO job?
Take the Michael Vick situation. I recently got into a debate with someone who lamented his continued playing in the NFL and bemoaned the negative influence he supposedly has on kids. I have never liked Vick, thought he was overrated as a player and didn't think too highly of him as a person. He made an egregious mistake. However, I genuinely believe that he has worked his butt off to learn from his mistakes, become a much better person and simply set a wonderful example of redemption and forgiveness. Yeah, some people will never get over what he did. I get it. But, I would much rather live in a world where I make a mistake, pay the consequences and still have an opportunity to redeem myself and truly get a second chance. Am I off base here?
Sorry for the stream of conscious semi-rant, but where is this all going?
NJ-admitted lawyer battleYeah, this is completely wrong.The genie is out of the bottle.As Peterson has stated, this is the kind of discipline he received when he was younger. That isn't in the 50s. That's in the 90s. The pictures look horrible, but I seriously doubt there is nearly as much concensus on this as there is on the Rice case. This is an issue the NFL shouldn't want to get anywhere near in any capacity.He's done. At least a year. In this environment.... As long as Rice is out ADP is out.
The slope the NFL is sliding down is going to get out of control. Wait until the next DUI arrest. If there is no suspension some MADD activist looking for a headline is going to start screaming.
The Rice situation is a joke. PTI for a third degree offense is part of the NJ legal system. IT was a perfectly acceptable sentence given the circumstances including an uncooperative witness.
Source: NJ-admitted lawyer.
He has to prove it first.Nice post. Just maybe AP can learn from this, and break the cycle of abuse. And maybe because of this, some men will think about it before they hit their kids so hard that they put lacerations on their legs that last weeks.Peterson can learn his lesson, become a better man and help people become better fathers.This is going to launch a very interesting discussion about corporal punishment in America.
In looking at the pictures posted over at TMZ, those pictures suggest to me that Peterson went overboard on the punishment. It appears to me that he went too far. However, I am not necessarily of the opinion that what he did means he is an abusive father who should become a social pariah, lose his job, etc. I would need more information and facts.
I am really struggling with how our society is shifting so much into this social media realm where every jackass with a Twitter account or internet access can pop off and suggest that everything is black and white and act as if they are so above and beyond reproach for any of their conduct. We have this tendency at the moment to make momentous judgments and statements about incidents where we lack much of the context surrounding the events at hand.
I have two boys with a considerable age gap. With my first and when he was young and I was young, I look back and remember times when I spanked my boy too hard and got carried away. I know that being a young father that I was sometimes too quick to resort to spanking or a belt. With my younger son and now that I am older, I will still spank but with much less frequency. I believe there is a time and place for corporal punishment, but also believe that most of the time there are more constructive ways to handle the situation.
I know that when I was a kid, there were a lot of us that were punished similarly to how Peterson punished his son, or worse. I had a black friend who was the youngest of like 8 kids. He was one of those kids who just sometimes refused to obey his parents. He knew there were consequences and did it anyway. I know that he would get beat with electrical cords from the iron, broom handles, paddles, etc. There were times I got beat with the belt and many times that out of fear of the pain I tried to block the belt/strap with my hands only to end up getting marked up on my lower thighs, my sides, my hands, upper back, etc.
I am not saying that those punishments are healthy. But, I also have trouble faulting someone who grew up and was exposed to that environment incorporating that into how they handle the punishment of their kids.
There may be additional information that comes out so I reserve the right to change my mind. But, it just seems to me that we as a society need to find a way to balance consequences with education and rehabilitation. We need to find ways to help each other grow and become a stronger society and spend less time trying to demonize and tear people down.
I am getting sick of living in a world where every time someone does or says something we disagree with, we want to throw them into the abyss almost as if through some sort of bullying by national collective so that we can individually feel enlightened or better about ourselves.
Do we really want to live in a world where a private sports league is now required through political pressure to exact harsher punishments than our own justice system on people? Does Ray Rice really need to be banned from playing football for life because he behaved terribly one night in an elevator? I find it disgusting that he isn't in jail, but he is just a freaking football player. Do we really want to live in a world where a guy who was "taught" how to raise a child with a heavy hand or switch is demonized and turned into some monster instead of using it as a constructive exercise and a teaching moment for all of us? Do we really want to live in a world where someone who is raised by his family and church to believe that marriage is between a man and woman can be blackballed and kicked out of their CEO job?
Take the Michael Vick situation. I recently got into a debate with someone who lamented his continued playing in the NFL and bemoaned the negative influence he supposedly has on kids. I have never liked Vick, thought he was overrated as a player and didn't think too highly of him as a person. He made an egregious mistake. However, I genuinely believe that he has worked his butt off to learn from his mistakes, become a much better person and simply set a wonderful example of redemption and forgiveness. Yeah, some people will never get over what he did. I get it. But, I would much rather live in a world where I make a mistake, pay the consequences and still have an opportunity to redeem myself and truly get a second chance. Am I off base here?
Sorry for the stream of conscious semi-rant, but where is this all going?
Or we can just boot the loser out of the league and wait for the next guy to screw up.
It was entertaining for a minute, but now it's crushed my soul.I weep for America when I see what some people are writing on Twitter.
Practicing trumps admitted...Yeah, this is completely wrong.The genie is out of the bottle.As Peterson has stated, this is the kind of discipline he received when he was younger. That isn't in the 50s. That's in the 90s. The pictures look horrible, but I seriously doubt there is nearly as much concensus on this as there is on the Rice case. This is an issue the NFL shouldn't want to get anywhere near in any capacity.He's done. At least a year. In this environment.... As long as Rice is out ADP is out.
The slope the NFL is sliding down is going to get out of control. Wait until the next DUI arrest. If there is no suspension some MADD activist looking for a headline is going to start screaming.
The Rice situation is a joke. PTI for a third degree offense is part of the NJ legal system. IT was a perfectly acceptable sentence given the circumstances including an uncooperative witness.
Source: NJ-admitted lawyer.
But it makes people feel better to look at it that way.As someone said above, this is very likely a cultural issue, that is not quite as black and white as many would like. Education is a more appropriate response than throwing your arms up in abject horror.
To who?He has to prove it first.Nice post. Just maybe AP can learn from this, and break the cycle of abuse. And maybe because of this, some men will think about it before they hit their kids so hard that they put lacerations on their legs that last weeks.Peterson can learn his lesson, become a better man and help people become better fathers.This is going to launch a very interesting discussion about corporal punishment in America.
In looking at the pictures posted over at TMZ, those pictures suggest to me that Peterson went overboard on the punishment. It appears to me that he went too far. However, I am not necessarily of the opinion that what he did means he is an abusive father who should become a social pariah, lose his job, etc. I would need more information and facts.
I am really struggling with how our society is shifting so much into this social media realm where every jackass with a Twitter account or internet access can pop off and suggest that everything is black and white and act as if they are so above and beyond reproach for any of their conduct. We have this tendency at the moment to make momentous judgments and statements about incidents where we lack much of the context surrounding the events at hand.
I have two boys with a considerable age gap. With my first and when he was young and I was young, I look back and remember times when I spanked my boy too hard and got carried away. I know that being a young father that I was sometimes too quick to resort to spanking or a belt. With my younger son and now that I am older, I will still spank but with much less frequency. I believe there is a time and place for corporal punishment, but also believe that most of the time there are more constructive ways to handle the situation.
I know that when I was a kid, there were a lot of us that were punished similarly to how Peterson punished his son, or worse. I had a black friend who was the youngest of like 8 kids. He was one of those kids who just sometimes refused to obey his parents. He knew there were consequences and did it anyway. I know that he would get beat with electrical cords from the iron, broom handles, paddles, etc. There were times I got beat with the belt and many times that out of fear of the pain I tried to block the belt/strap with my hands only to end up getting marked up on my lower thighs, my sides, my hands, upper back, etc.
I am not saying that those punishments are healthy. But, I also have trouble faulting someone who grew up and was exposed to that environment incorporating that into how they handle the punishment of their kids.
There may be additional information that comes out so I reserve the right to change my mind. But, it just seems to me that we as a society need to find a way to balance consequences with education and rehabilitation. We need to find ways to help each other grow and become a stronger society and spend less time trying to demonize and tear people down.
I am getting sick of living in a world where every time someone does or says something we disagree with, we want to throw them into the abyss almost as if through some sort of bullying by national collective so that we can individually feel enlightened or better about ourselves.
Do we really want to live in a world where a private sports league is now required through political pressure to exact harsher punishments than our own justice system on people? Does Ray Rice really need to be banned from playing football for life because he behaved terribly one night in an elevator? I find it disgusting that he isn't in jail, but he is just a freaking football player. Do we really want to live in a world where a guy who was "taught" how to raise a child with a heavy hand or switch is demonized and turned into some monster instead of using it as a constructive exercise and a teaching moment for all of us? Do we really want to live in a world where someone who is raised by his family and church to believe that marriage is between a man and woman can be blackballed and kicked out of their CEO job?
Take the Michael Vick situation. I recently got into a debate with someone who lamented his continued playing in the NFL and bemoaned the negative influence he supposedly has on kids. I have never liked Vick, thought he was overrated as a player and didn't think too highly of him as a person. He made an egregious mistake. However, I genuinely believe that he has worked his butt off to learn from his mistakes, become a much better person and simply set a wonderful example of redemption and forgiveness. Yeah, some people will never get over what he did. I get it. But, I would much rather live in a world where I make a mistake, pay the consequences and still have an opportunity to redeem myself and truly get a second chance. Am I off base here?
Sorry for the stream of conscious semi-rant, but where is this all going?
Or we can just boot the loser out of the league and wait for the next guy to screw up.
This.It was entertaining for a minute, but now it's crushed my soul.I weep for America when I see what some people are writing on Twitter.
Wouldnt an appropriate form of punishment be for AP to be held down and lashed, including across his scrotum. Because apparently some believe that is an effective way of helping someone with the mentality of a child learn a lesson.But it makes people feel better to look at it that way.As someone said above, this is very likely a cultural issue, that is not quite as black and white as many would like. Education is a more appropriate response than throwing your arms up in abject horror.
Nah... its not worth it. The stats that were posted are correct but misleading and void of context. Beyond that you can get PTI for a 2nd degree crime. You need special reasons, but it can be done. But we all have different experiences in different areas of the state. If this stuff was easy DV law would be easier to deal with. It's not. It's one of the messiest dockets we have.Practicing trumps admitted...Yeah, this is completely wrong.The genie is out of the bottle.As Peterson has stated, this is the kind of discipline he received when he was younger. That isn't in the 50s. That's in the 90s. The pictures look horrible, but I seriously doubt there is nearly as much concensus on this as there is on the Rice case. This is an issue the NFL shouldn't want to get anywhere near in any capacity.He's done. At least a year. In this environment.... As long as Rice is out ADP is out.
The slope the NFL is sliding down is going to get out of control. Wait until the next DUI arrest. If there is no suspension some MADD activist looking for a headline is going to start screaming.
The Rice situation is a joke. PTI for a third degree offense is part of the NJ legal system. IT was a perfectly acceptable sentence given the circumstances including an uncooperative witness.
Source: NJ-admitted lawyer.
does a 4 yo even understand what he did wrong?The child was 4 years old and was violently struck 14 or 15 times. 14 or 15 strikes! ... 4 years old
Not discipline.
Obviously your grandma never got you with a belt or a yardstick. Didn't happen very often because we knew if we were "very naughty" at Grandma's, we would get it twice. Once from Grandma and again when we got home from our parents.The best part of twitter right now is people who think their grandma's beatings are on par with a beating from Adrian Peterson.
What am I reading here? It's legal to waterboard your own kids in Texas? The one and only standard is lethality?Texas
[Texas Statutes]
Abuse does not include reasonable discipline by a parent/guardian/managing or possessory conservator if child not exposed to substantial risk of harm. Family Code § 261.001. [Civil Code] Parent/stepparent/person standing in loco parentis to child is justified to use non-deadly force against a child under 18 when and to degree the actor reasonably believes necessary to discipline, or safeguard or promote child's welfare. Penal § 9.61. [Criminal Code]
All over your body? Your scrotum? Until you bled?Obviously your grandma never got you with a belt or a yardstick. Didn't happen very often because we knew if we were "very naughty" at Grandma's, we would get it twice. Once from Grandma and again when we got home from our parents.The best part of twitter right now is people who think their grandma's beatings are on par with a beating from Adrian Peterson.
To recreate the size difference, you'd have to find someone about 18 feet tall, 1500 pounds, and made of bricks.Wouldnt an appropriate form of punishment be for AP to be held down and lashed, including across his scrotum. Because apparently some believe that is an effective way of helping someone with the mentality of a child learn a lesson.Additional side effect, maybe that would prevent him fathering more children to beat.But it makes people feel better to look at it that way.As someone said above, this is very likely a cultural issue, that is not quite as black and white as many would like. Education is a more appropriate response than throwing your arms up in abject horror.
When you were four years old?All over your body? Your scrotum? Until you bled?Obviously your grandma never got you with a belt or a yardstick. Didn't happen very often because we knew if we were "very naughty" at Grandma's, we would get it twice. Once from Grandma and again when we got home from our parents.The best part of twitter right now is people who think their grandma's beatings are on par with a beating from Adrian Peterson.