Adrian Peterson's turn to get the boot from the NFL (1 Viewer)

[Eminence]

Honestly, if Peterson avoids jail time we will see him play before the season is over. The leaves thing is suspicious but if I was his lawyer, in the absence of witnesses there is no proof that the kid had leaves in his mouth. The injuries are plenty evidence though.

Because this is common in Texas, or at least not unusual... the jury and judge will be from Texas. Peterson will go through some rehabilitation courses but will see no jail time.

Because he is a former MVP and a valuable player, the Vikings will not cut him. He may serve as suspension with the comparable baseline being 6 games, domestic abuse. But because it is Adrian Peterson he may be able to skip suspension altogether.

That's how I see it at least. This will be like Ray Lewis killing a dude, Fitz domestic incident, and Roethlisberger's rape.

Just my final take, excited for some football!

 

[Premier]

Thanks for the legal breakdown there, Matlock.

 

[Christo]

Did we find out what would happen if he got a suspended sentence?

Inquiring minds, wanna know.

 

[Premier]

The leaves thing is suspicious because really who believes kids anyways and there were no witnesses. And everybody knows that no witnesses = no conviction.

Yea but in regards to the leaves, Peterson already admitte--

THERE WERE NO WITNESSES

 

[Eminence]

The leaves thing is suspicious because really who believes kids anyways and there were no witnesses. And everybody knows that no witnesses = no conviction.Yea but in regards to the leaves, Peterson already admitte--

THERE WERE NO WITNESSES

So what do YOU think is going to happen?

 

[jon_mx]

If Goodell wants to keep his job this is the kind of stuff he needs to come out and say:

- Domestic violence is a serious problem in this country that has been brushed under the rug in the past. This is an opportunity to examine this issue and take steps to advance how we as society will deal with the problem.

- The NFL is as guilty as anyone in not properly addressing the issue. We are in the process of listening to the national discussion and come up with better policies which will address the issue in a more appropriate way and we are hoping this will help advance how we as society deal with this difficult and sensative issue.

- whereas we need to take steps which have significant consequence, we also need to realize being too harsh will further damage the victims and may be counterproductive. We can not resort to zero-tolerance type of policies which only serves to take common sense and circumstances out of the equation. We need policies which balance the punishment to the offender with the well-being of the family.

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

Put leaves in his mouth, pulled his pants down and beat him so bad he wounded the child's scrotum. The child is 4. I just....I don't understand how a father could do this to his child.

Those pictures are horrid. I've heard of the switch thing before, but what's the deal with leaves in the mouth?

We've known each other for 10 + years....seen a lot of shhhitt....has anything we've been through been worse than this? I look at my kids and weep after seeing this story and those photos. Those of you backing Peterson are worse than he crap I scrape off my shoes.

You can't really mean this. It's a terrible story but it brings to light what well-meaning parents are doing to their kids every day. Peterson has been taught all his life - from his parents, family around him, his church - that this is the way to raise children to become good adults. He went overboard but that's the risk of his legal form of discipline in Texas.

 

[Tom Skerritt]

So what do you suppose Peterson does on a football Sunday when he is unable to play because he lacerated his son's balls?

 

[SIDA!]

But, I believe so folks are taught from a religious perspective that punishing with an object is preferential to punishing with your hand in the sense that the hand should be used for love/affection or something like that.

There are some folks who, when reading a post like this, say "what the #### are you talking about?"

Let me take another stab at articulating it.

There are some Christian authors, can't recall the names, and churches who advocate for the use of a belt or paddle or what not to dish out corporal punishment instead of using your hand. There are a couple of reasons given for this.

This includes the notion that you do not want your children to fear you or fear your hand. I know that when I would spank my older son with my hand that he would sometimes flinch afterwards if I was angry and reached out to grab him to get his attention or gesticulated in a quick motion. Thus, some advocate the use of a belt therefore allowing the child to separate/distinguish when they are getting punished. If you are angry with your child and upset, they will not be fearful that you will strike them at any moment.

As a father, I wanted my kids to have a healthy dose of fear and respect for my authority. But, it really troubled me when I would get mad and my son flinched assuming I was on the verge of spanking him when the thought hadn't even crossed my mind. For me personally, that was a turning point in my transitioning away from spanking. The older I got, the more patient I became and it was more important and in my opinion effective to articulate my disappointment in my child's behavior as a means for achieving some of the behavioral changes I sought.

What do some Christian authors say about leaves in the mouth?

Why are you asking me a question about something as if to suggest I was defending such behavior earlier in the thread? I have never said anything about leaves or even intimated that it was okay to put leaves in the mouth of a child.

 

[fatness]

Greg Hardy deactivated by Panthers. Hardy played last week, and the team owner (Richardson) is a big Goodell defender.

Goodell is trying to drum up support for his tenure among the owners, and to create a public perception that the league and the team are cracking down on abuse.

 

[Eephus]

Ironically, I'm going to a 4 year old's birthday party today instead of watching football.

 

[bosoxs45]

Charles Barkley on CBS: "Whippin', we do that all the time. Every black parent in the south would be in jail under those circumstances."

 

[Tom Skerritt]

Charles Barkley on CBS: "Whippin', we do that all the time. Every black parent in the south would be in jail under those circumstances."

May be true, but they are then not given back to the rich-from-child-support mom who lives in another state and probably dislikes the dad who whipped the kid.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Ironically, I'm going to a 4 year old's birthday party today instead of watching football.

Don't forget to smack him one to grow on...

 

[Fennis]

Ironically, I'm going to a 4 year old's birthday party today instead of watching football.

Don't forget to smack him one to grow on...

with a bloody stick

 

[timschochet]

Charles Barkley on CBS: "Whippin', we do that all the time. Every black parent in the south would be in jail under those circumstances."

When guys like Barkley make statements like these, the interviewer needs to follow it up with questions like, "OK, but what about beating a 4 year old on the genitals? Does every black parent in the south do that?"

I think there's a lot of people, like Barkley, who are speaking out about this without quite realizing the severity of what happened here. They, the Barkleys, are attempting to defend corporal punishment, which is not the issue at hand here. The issue is that Peterson apparently went beyond corporal punishment and engaged in child abuse.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Charles Barkley on CBS: "Whippin', we do that all the time. Every black parent in the south would be in jail under those circumstances."

When guys like Barkley make statements like these, the interviewer needs to follow it up with questions like, "OK, but what about beating a 4 year old on the genitals? Does every black parent in the south do that?"

I think there's a lot of people, like Barkley, who are speaking out about this without quite realizing the severity of what happened here. They, the Barkleys, are attempting to defend corporal punishment, which is not the issue at hand here. The issue is that Peterson apparently went beyond corporal punishment and engaged in child abuse.

I think you are overstating the issue. Speaking from experience, it does not take that much to break the skin, and not speaking from experience, but commons sense says that trying to understand where a "branch" is actually going to hit - i.e. the kids scrotum, is a bit beyond the scone of most people thinking about using a switch. I doubt Peterson was trying to hit the kid in the scrotum, but may not have realized the whipping effect of the branch and where it would actually hit.

 

[RBM]

Charles Barkley on CBS: "Whippin', we do that all the time. Every black parent in the south would be in jail under those circumstances."

When guys like Barkley make statements like these, the interviewer needs to follow it up with questions like, "OK, but what about beating a 4 year old on the genitals? Does every black parent in the south do that?"I think there's a lot of people, like Barkley, who are speaking out about this without quite realizing the severity of what happened here. They, the Barkleys, are attempting to defend corporal punishment, which is not the issue at hand here. The issue is that Peterson apparently went beyond corporal punishment and engaged in child abuse.

Racist

 

[Eephus]

Ironically, I'm going to a 4 year old's birthday party today instead of watching football.

Don't forget to smack him one to grow on...

with a bloody stick

it's in Golden Gate Park so there will be plenty of leaves

 

[Raider Nation]

Am I the only one who never heard of a tree branch referred to as a "switch" prior to two days ago?

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Am I the only one who never heard of a tree branch referred to as a "switch" prior to two days ago?

Probably

 

[Raider Nation]

Am I the only one who never heard of a tree branch referred to as a "switch" prior to two days ago?

Probably

I don't get out much.

 

[fatness]

Charles Barkley on CBS: "Whippin', we do that all the time. Every black parent in the south would be in jail under those circumstances."

Charles Barkley

The transition from Charles Barkley to the bane of a sports writer's existence (in his early playing days) to the quote-starved writer's best friend dramatically altered the perception of a man whose personal problems could have easily made him one of the most despised athletes of all time, instead of one of the most beloved. This has always been a fascinating aspect of Charles' career, that no matter how much off-court trouble he caused, his ability to spout off honestly and admit to his own flaws somehow made him Teflon. But this is a man, who for all intents in purposes, has a pretty reprehensible history: alleged domestic abuse, legal problems, gambling problems, infidelity issues, drinking problems, and overall surliness that has, for the most part, been forgiven. By virtue of admitting he was "not a role model" for Nike has ultimately given him a lifetime pass to #### up people's lives without consequence.

 

[dparker713]

Put leaves in his mouth, pulled his pants down and beat him so bad he wounded the child's scrotum. The child is 4. I just....I don't understand how a father could do this to his child.

Those pictures are horrid. I've heard of the switch thing before, but what's the deal with leaves in the mouth?

We've known each other for 10 + years....seen a lot of shhhitt....has anything we've been through been worse than this? I look at my kids and weep after seeing this story and those photos. Those of you backing Peterson are worse than he crap I scrape off my shoes.

Sissy

I know you are fishing for outrage here, so I'm not going to give you what you want. But GM is spot on with his commentary and one of the finest people to ever be on this board and I'm proud to call him a friend. He is expressing true human emotion regarding a horrible situation with a child involved. Now please continue on with your schtick, Massengale.

If you wept too, you're just as much a sissy as he is. And the term is #####. Atleast be man enough to come right out and say it.

 

[Gambino]

Put leaves in his mouth, pulled his pants down and beat him so bad he wounded the child's scrotum. The child is 4. I just....I don't understand how a father could do this to his child.

Those pictures are horrid. I've heard of the switch thing before, but what's the deal with leaves in the mouth?

We've known each other for 10 + years....seen a lot of shhhitt....has anything we've been through been worse than this? I look at my kids and weep after seeing this story and those photos. Those of you backing Peterson are worse than he crap I scrape off my shoes.

Sissy

I know you are fishing for outrage here, so I'm not going to give you what you want. But GM is spot on with his commentary and one of the finest people to ever be on this board and I'm proud to call him a friend. He is expressing true human emotion regarding a horrible situation with a child involved. Now please continue on with your schtick, Massengale.

If you wept too, you're just as much a sissy as he is. And the term is #####. Atleast be man enough to come right out and say it.

You seem like a real neat guy.

 

[bigbottom]

Charles Barkley on CBS: "Whippin', we do that all the time. Every black parent in the south would be in jail under those circumstances."

When guys like Barkley make statements like these, the interviewer needs to follow it up with questions like, "OK, but what about beating a 4 year old on the genitals? Does every black parent in the south do that?"I think there's a lot of people, like Barkley, who are speaking out about this without quite realizing the severity of what happened here. They, the Barkleys, are attempting to defend corporal punishment, which is not the issue at hand here. The issue is that Peterson apparently went beyond corporal punishment and engaged in child abuse.

 

[General Malaise]

Put leaves in his mouth, pulled his pants down and beat him so bad he wounded the child's scrotum. The child is 4. I just....I don't understand how a father could do this to his child.

Those pictures are horrid. I've heard of the switch thing before, but what's the deal with leaves in the mouth?

We've known each other for 10 + years....seen a lot of shhhitt....has anything we've been through been worse than this? I look at my kids and weep after seeing this story and those photos. Those of you backing Peterson are worse than he crap I scrape off my shoes.

Sissy

I know you are fishing for outrage here, so I'm not going to give you what you want. But GM is spot on with his commentary and one of the finest people to ever be on this board and I'm proud to call him a friend. He is expressing true human emotion regarding a horrible situation with a child involved. Now please continue on with your schtick, Massengale.

If you wept too, you're just as much a sissy as he is. And the term is #####. Atleast be man enough to come right out and say it.

OK. I'm a sissy because the brutal abuse of a child makes me weep. Every day I think about Mr. Ham and Bigbottom and their loss of a son. I cry thinking about their loss. And I cry when I see what AP does to his son. That's sad to me. Sorry I'm not as tough as you.

 

[bigbottom]

Put leaves in his mouth, pulled his pants down and beat him so bad he wounded the child's scrotum. The child is 4. I just....I don't understand how a father could do this to his child.

Those pictures are horrid. I've heard of the switch thing before, but what's the deal with leaves in the mouth?

We've known each other for 10 + years....seen a lot of shhhitt....has anything we've been through been worse than this? I look at my kids and weep after seeing this story and those photos. Those of you backing Peterson are worse than he crap I scrape off my shoes.

Sissy

I know you are fishing for outrage here, so I'm not going to give you what you want. But GM is spot on with his commentary and one of the finest people to ever be on this board and I'm proud to call him a friend. He is expressing true human emotion regarding a horrible situation with a child involved. Now please continue on with your schtick, Massengale.

If you wept too, you're just as much a sissy as he is. And the term is #####. Atleast be man enough to come right out and say it.

You think he was being literal when he said he wept? Do you think all those people who say they weep for our country are literally weeping?Edit: Well, never mind I guess. In any event, go ahead and ridicule people for showing emotion. It's a productive effort I'm sure.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Put leaves in his mouth, pulled his pants down and beat him so bad he wounded the child's scrotum. The child is 4. I just....I don't understand how a father could do this to his child.

Those pictures are horrid. I've heard of the switch thing before, but what's the deal with leaves in the mouth?

We've known each other for 10 + years....seen a lot of shhhitt....has anything we've been through been worse than this? I look at my kids and weep after seeing this story and those photos. Those of you backing Peterson are worse than he crap I scrape off my shoes.

Sissy

I know you are fishing for outrage here, so I'm not going to give you what you want. But GM is spot on with his commentary and one of the finest people to ever be on this board and I'm proud to call him a friend. He is expressing true human emotion regarding a horrible situation with a child involved. Now please continue on with your schtick, Massengale.

If you wept too, you're just as much a sissy as he is. And the term is #####. Atleast be man enough to come right out and say it.

You think he was being literal when he said he wept? Do you think all those people who say they weep for our country are literally weeping?Edit: Well, never mind I guess. In any event, go ahead and ridicule people for showing emotion. It's a productive effort I'm sure.

meh...i just ignore people who act so hard and tough...they probably cry watching a hallmark commercial and are just over compensating for what they perceive as self weakness ...having heart is not weakness...its strength

 

[bentley]

Texas seems to be taking a lot of blame here.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Texas seems to be taking a lot of blame here.

Southern macho man culture in general.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Texas seems to be taking a lot of blame here.

Southern macho man culture in general.

i was thinking black grandma`s were getting the blame

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Texas seems to be taking a lot of blame here.

From what I've read (although I've skipped a lot) it seems like it is the Texans/Southerners who are the ones saying "but that's how we do things down here".

 

[Sebowski]

Texas seems to be taking a lot of blame here.

'Bout time, imo.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Texas seems to be taking a lot of blame here.

From what I've read (although I've skipped a lot) it seems like it is the Texans/Southerners who are the ones saying "but that's how we do things down here".

They routinely beat 4 year olds with objects to the point of bleeding and bruising? I get some parents think spankings/whoopins are appropriate. That is a different argument. This was a professional athlete with elite strength beating a child with an object 10-15 times causing bleeding and/or bruising to the butt, thighs, hands, and scrotum, while stuffing his mouth with leaves to keep the screams muffled and possibly threatening to hit him in the face if he told his mother or authorities. He also seemingly routinely uses a belt and may have hit him in the face this incident as well. I do not under stand how these macho men or southerners or whomever is defending these actions thinks any of this extremity is OK.

(not arguing with you-- just dumbfounded by the dumbness on this board yet again)

 

[Sinn Fein]

Texas seems to be taking a lot of blame here.

From what I've read (although I've skipped a lot) it seems like it is the Texans/Southerners who are the ones saying "but that's how we do things down here".

They routinely beat 4 year olds with objects to the point of bleeding and bruising? I get some parents think spankings/whoopins are appropriate. That is a different argument. This was a professional athlete with elite strength beating a child with an object 10-15 times causing bleeding and/or bruising to the butt, thighs, hands, and scrotum, while stuffing his mouth with leaves to keep the screams muffled and possibly threatening to hit him in the face if he told his mother or authorities. He also seemingly routinely uses a belt and may have hit him in the face this incident as well. I do not under stand how these macho men or southerners or whomever is defending these actions thinks any of this extremity is OK.

(not arguing with you-- just dumbfounded by the dumbness on this board yet again)

Depending on the branch used - the size/strength of Peterson becomes a straw man argument. The damage comes from the whip action, and not brute strength (and brute strength becomes an impediment to full force of a whip).

It really does not take much effort to cause bruising, or even break the skin.

Not completely defending here - but the outrage is a bit overblown here. The whupping while certainly in sharp contrast to the give-all-the-kids-a-ribbon crowd, was a form of punishment, where at least one grand jury declined to indict on. Its not for everyone, and certainly falls dangerously close to the end of the spectrum of acceptable discipline, but I would guess that if he went to trial over this he would not be convicted. Very good chance this is plead down - where, hopefully, parenting classes are included as part of the sentence.

 

[Guest]

Texas seems to be taking a lot of blame here.

From what I've read (although I've skipped a lot) it seems like it is the Texans/Southerners who are the ones saying "but that's how we do things down here".

They routinely beat 4 year olds with objects to the point of bleeding and bruising? I get some parents think spankings/whoopins are appropriate. That is a different argument. This was a professional athlete with elite strength beating a child with an object 10-15 times causing bleeding and/or bruising to the butt, thighs, hands, and scrotum, while stuffing his mouth with leaves to keep the screams muffled and possibly threatening to hit him in the face if he told his mother or authorities. He also seemingly routinely uses a belt and may have hit him in the face this incident as well. I do not under stand how these macho men or southerners or whomever is defending these actions thinks any of this extremity is OK.

(not arguing with you-- just dumbfounded by the dumbness on this board yet again)

Depending on the branch used - the size/strength of Peterson becomes a straw man argument. The damage comes from the whip action, and not brute strength (and brute strength becomes an impediment to full force of a whip).

It really does not take much effort to cause bruising, or even break the skin.

Not completely defending here - but the outrage is a bit overblown here. The whupping while certainly in sharp contrast to the give-all-the-kids-a-ribbon crowd, was a form of punishment, where at least one grand jury declined to indict on. Its not for everyone, and certainly falls dangerously close to the end of the spectrum of acceptable discipline, but I would guess that if he went to trial over this he would not be convicted. Very good chance this is plead down - where, hopefully, parenting classes are included as part of the sentence.

What about the "suffed his mouth with leaves" part? That's borderline psychotic and in no way falls under any definition of "discipline".

 

[Christo]

So what do you suppose Peterson does on a football Sunday when he is unable to play because he lacerated his son's balls?

Apparently, vandalizing some poor church's bible.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Texas seems to be taking a lot of blame here.

From what I've read (although I've skipped a lot) it seems like it is the Texans/Southerners who are the ones saying "but that's how we do things down here".

They routinely beat 4 year olds with objects to the point of bleeding and bruising? I get some parents think spankings/whoopins are appropriate. That is a different argument. This was a professional athlete with elite strength beating a child with an object 10-15 times causing bleeding and/or bruising to the butt, thighs, hands, and scrotum, while stuffing his mouth with leaves to keep the screams muffled and possibly threatening to hit him in the face if he told his mother or authorities. He also seemingly routinely uses a belt and may have hit him in the face this incident as well. I do not under stand how these macho men or southerners or whomever is defending these actions thinks any of this extremity is OK.

(not arguing with you-- just dumbfounded by the dumbness on this board yet again)

Depending on the branch used - the size/strength of Peterson becomes a straw man argument. The damage comes from the whip action, and not brute strength (and brute strength becomes an impediment to full force of a whip).

It really does not take much effort to cause bruising, or even break the skin.

Not completely defending here - but the outrage is a bit overblown here. The whupping while certainly in sharp contrast to the give-all-the-kids-a-ribbon crowd, was a form of punishment, where at least one grand jury declined to indict on. Its not for everyone, and certainly falls dangerously close to the end of the spectrum of acceptable discipline, but I would guess that if he went to trial over this he would not be convicted. Very good chance this is plead down - where, hopefully, parenting classes are included as part of the sentence.

What about the "suffed his mouth with leaves" part? That's borderline psychotic and in no way falls under any definition of "discipline".

It sounds odd - not sure I completely buy it. I've had a bar of soap shoved in my mouth. Is that any worse?

 

[Tom Skerritt]

So what do you suppose Peterson does on a football Sunday when he is unable to play because he lacerated his son's balls?

Apparently, vandalizing some poor church's bible.

Jesus Christ!

 

[Guest]

Texas seems to be taking a lot of blame here.

From what I've read (although I've skipped a lot) it seems like it is the Texans/Southerners who are the ones saying "but that's how we do things down here".

They routinely beat 4 year olds with objects to the point of bleeding and bruising? I get some parents think spankings/whoopins are appropriate. That is a different argument. This was a professional athlete with elite strength beating a child with an object 10-15 times causing bleeding and/or bruising to the butt, thighs, hands, and scrotum, while stuffing his mouth with leaves to keep the screams muffled and possibly threatening to hit him in the face if he told his mother or authorities. He also seemingly routinely uses a belt and may have hit him in the face this incident as well. I do not under stand how these macho men or southerners or whomever is defending these actions thinks any of this extremity is OK.

(not arguing with you-- just dumbfounded by the dumbness on this board yet again)

Depending on the branch used - the size/strength of Peterson becomes a straw man argument. The damage comes from the whip action, and not brute strength (and brute strength becomes an impediment to full force of a whip).

It really does not take much effort to cause bruising, or even break the skin.

Not completely defending here - but the outrage is a bit overblown here. The whupping while certainly in sharp contrast to the give-all-the-kids-a-ribbon crowd, was a form of punishment, where at least one grand jury declined to indict on. Its not for everyone, and certainly falls dangerously close to the end of the spectrum of acceptable discipline, but I would guess that if he went to trial over this he would not be convicted. Very good chance this is plead down - where, hopefully, parenting classes are included as part of the sentence.

What about the "suffed his mouth with leaves" part? That's borderline psychotic and in no way falls under any definition of "discipline".

It sounds odd - not sure I completely buy it. I've had a bar of soap shoved in my mouth. Is that any worse?

To muffle your screams?

 

[dparker713]

Texas seems to be taking a lot of blame here.

From what I've read (although I've skipped a lot) it seems like it is the Texans/Southerners who are the ones saying "but that's how we do things down here".

They routinely beat 4 year olds with objects to the point of bleeding and bruising? I get some parents think spankings/whoopins are appropriate. That is a different argument. This was a professional athlete with elite strength beating a child with an object 10-15 times causing bleeding and/or bruising to the butt, thighs, hands, and scrotum, while stuffing his mouth with leaves to keep the screams muffled and possibly threatening to hit him in the face if he told his mother or authorities. He also seemingly routinely uses a belt and may have hit him in the face this incident as well. I do not under stand how these macho men or southerners or whomever is defending these actions thinks any of this extremity is OK.

(not arguing with you-- just dumbfounded by the dumbness on this board yet again)

What I don't understand is why is bleeding and bruising the Rubicon for this? Is it because those are visible signs?

 

[Sinn Fein]

Texas seems to be taking a lot of blame here.

From what I've read (although I've skipped a lot) it seems like it is the Texans/Southerners who are the ones saying "but that's how we do things down here".

They routinely beat 4 year olds with objects to the point of bleeding and bruising? I get some parents think spankings/whoopins are appropriate. That is a different argument. This was a professional athlete with elite strength beating a child with an object 10-15 times causing bleeding and/or bruising to the butt, thighs, hands, and scrotum, while stuffing his mouth with leaves to keep the screams muffled and possibly threatening to hit him in the face if he told his mother or authorities. He also seemingly routinely uses a belt and may have hit him in the face this incident as well. I do not under stand how these macho men or southerners or whomever is defending these actions thinks any of this extremity is OK.

(not arguing with you-- just dumbfounded by the dumbness on this board yet again)

Depending on the branch used - the size/strength of Peterson becomes a straw man argument. The damage comes from the whip action, and not brute strength (and brute strength becomes an impediment to full force of a whip).

It really does not take much effort to cause bruising, or even break the skin.

Not completely defending here - but the outrage is a bit overblown here. The whupping while certainly in sharp contrast to the give-all-the-kids-a-ribbon crowd, was a form of punishment, where at least one grand jury declined to indict on. Its not for everyone, and certainly falls dangerously close to the end of the spectrum of acceptable discipline, but I would guess that if he went to trial over this he would not be convicted. Very good chance this is plead down - where, hopefully, parenting classes are included as part of the sentence.

What about the "suffed his mouth with leaves" part? That's borderline psychotic and in no way falls under any definition of "discipline".

It sounds odd - not sure I completely buy it. I've had a bar of soap shoved in my mouth. Is that any worse?

To muffle your screams?

Yup

 

[Guest]

Texas seems to be taking a lot of blame here.

From what I've read (although I've skipped a lot) it seems like it is the Texans/Southerners who are the ones saying "but that's how we do things down here".

They routinely beat 4 year olds with objects to the point of bleeding and bruising? I get some parents think spankings/whoopins are appropriate. That is a different argument. This was a professional athlete with elite strength beating a child with an object 10-15 times causing bleeding and/or bruising to the butt, thighs, hands, and scrotum, while stuffing his mouth with leaves to keep the screams muffled and possibly threatening to hit him in the face if he told his mother or authorities. He also seemingly routinely uses a belt and may have hit him in the face this incident as well. I do not under stand how these macho men or southerners or whomever is defending these actions thinks any of this extremity is OK.

(not arguing with you-- just dumbfounded by the dumbness on this board yet again)

Depending on the branch used - the size/strength of Peterson becomes a straw man argument. The damage comes from the whip action, and not brute strength (and brute strength becomes an impediment to full force of a whip).

It really does not take much effort to cause bruising, or even break the skin.

Not completely defending here - but the outrage is a bit overblown here. The whupping while certainly in sharp contrast to the give-all-the-kids-a-ribbon crowd, was a form of punishment, where at least one grand jury declined to indict on. Its not for everyone, and certainly falls dangerously close to the end of the spectrum of acceptable discipline, but I would guess that if he went to trial over this he would not be convicted. Very good chance this is plead down - where, hopefully, parenting classes are included as part of the sentence.

What about the "suffed his mouth with leaves" part? That's borderline psychotic and in no way falls under any definition of "discipline".

It sounds odd - not sure I completely buy it. I've had a bar of soap shoved in my mouth. Is that any worse?

To muffle your screams?

Yup

Bull####.

Many of us have had the bar of soap in the mouth punishment. Usually for talking back or swearing. The soap in the mouth was the punishment. Not used to muffle any screams. Why a bar of soap when something like a sock would work so much better?

If that did happen to you, I'm sorry, but that doesn't make it any less psychotic.

 

[Sinn Fein]

My parents were young, I was not exactly a model citizen. It happens. I am not scarred by it - certainly had broken skin on a number of occasions - though I doubt it was when I was that young.

We had kids later, spanking not part of our discipline policy.

Again, I think Peterson needs parenting classes to help understand the whys and hows of disciplining. If he thinks the kids are bad now, wait until they are teens...

I don't think this is a crucifying incident - in my view, Ray Rice far worse.

 

[tjnc09]

So what do you suppose Peterson does on a football Sunday when he is unable to play because he lacerated his son's balls?

Apparently, vandalizing some poor church's bible.

The Bible was written on September 13th?

 

[tjnc09]

My parents were young, I was not exactly a model citizen. It happens. I am not scarred by it - certainly had broken skin on a number of occasions - though I doubt it was when I was that young.

We had kids later, spanking not part of our discipline policy.

Again, I think Peterson needs parenting classes to help understand the whys and hows of disciplining. If he thinks the kids are bad now, wait until they are teens...

I don't think this is a crucifying incident - in my view, Ray Rice far worse.

The difference to me is that Ray Rice could have killed his fiancée/wife. He hit her without possibility thinking about the consequences of striking someone in the head. Rice declines to call medical help after she basically lies motionless on the ground.

Peterson's son's pictures are bad particularly because its a young child but they do not like the injuries ever had the potential to kill him.

 

[Christo]

So what do you suppose Peterson does on a football Sunday when he is unable to play because he lacerated his son's balls?

Apparently, vandalizing some poor church's bible.

The Bible was written on September 13th?

The Earth is only 6000 years old?

Questions we'll never really know the answer to.

 

[Guest]

My parents were young, I was not exactly a model citizen. It happens. I am not scarred by it - certainly had broken skin on a number of occasions - though I doubt it was when I was that young.

We had kids later, spanking not part of our discipline policy.

Again, I think Peterson needs parenting classes to help understand the whys and hows of disciplining. If he thinks the kids are bad now, wait until they are teens...

I don't think this is a crucifying incident - in my view, Ray Rice far worse.

I agree that it shouldn't be a career ending incident. Season ender maybe. Vick came back after doing his time. And by "time" I don't necessarily mean Peterson needs to do prison time.

I also agree that Peterson and Rice should be required to go to counseling. I do not agree with the "it happened to me, so it's not a big deal" comments.

 

[Britney Spears]

Put leaves in his mouth, pulled his pants down and beat him so bad he wounded the child's scrotum. The child is 4. I just....I don't understand how a father could do this to his child.

Those pictures are horrid. I've heard of the switch thing before, but what's the deal with leaves in the mouth?

We've known each other for 10 + years....seen a lot of shhhitt....has anything we've been through been worse than this? I look at my kids and weep after seeing this story and those photos. Those of you backing Peterson are worse than he crap I scrape off my shoes.

You can't really mean this. It's a terrible story but it brings to light what well-meaning parents are doing to their kids every day. Peterson has been taught all his life - from his parents, family around him, his church - that this is the way to raise children to become good adults. He went overboard but that's the risk of his legal form of discipline in Texas.

Parents & church is such a lame excuse. Amazing that women can vote and black folks can use the same toilets with this thinking.