gordon gekko
Footballguy
thejag - i believe someone said they would drop the hammer in 45-50 days. i think we are half way there.
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AFFL: FINANCIAL ISSUES AND CONCERNS (1 Viewer)
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nag'
Footballguy
Lucky Lefty
Footballguy
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Looks like AFFL message board is back online: http://forums.affl.com/
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Looks like AFFL message board is back online: http://forums.affl.com/
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FF Forever
Footballguy
They are now accepting signups. Nothing in the registration instructions says "pending enough signups by August 1st" or anything to that effect. In fact, it even says "Entry fees are nonrefundable." I sure hope these new owners - or could it still be Neil behind the scenes pulling all the strings? - have done their math. Who's going to warn the Affl newbies/suckers what they're getting into?
I can't imagine any 2007 prize winner pouring any new cash into the 2008 Affl leagues. At best, they may consent to having some of their 2007 prize money "roll over" into these '08 leagues. I really don't see how they're going to make it work financially. I just hope for everyone's sake - especially Neil and the "new owners" - that this is not a scam.
I can't imagine any 2007 prize winner pouring any new cash into the 2008 Affl leagues. At best, they may consent to having some of their 2007 prize money "roll over" into these '08 leagues. I really don't see how they're going to make it work financially. I just hope for everyone's sake - especially Neil and the "new owners" - that this is not a scam.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
#1, how can this be legal... "Entry Fees are nonrefundable"? That just says, "hey, thanks for the money... c ya next yr; sucker"#2, like many that are owned money have said; if they could get some of the money they are owned... they'll take. Many of them are working class joes, they don't have the time, energy, and extra cash to go after what is owned to them... sadly; this is how the world works.
Bump for the latest email today:
AFFL Customers,
Sign-up's for the 2008 tournament levels are now open. If you wish, you can now go and reserve your draft times. Remember, no money will be collected until August 1st and only if we are successful in meeting our goals to purchase the AFFL. Our new individual contests will be open in the next week or so. Please contact us with any questions. Those of you with credits will be contacted by email when the credits are in your account and available for use, hopefully in the next two weeks.
Wade J. Golab
Robert j. Smolarczyk
AFFL Customers,
Sign-up's for the 2008 tournament levels are now open. If you wish, you can now go and reserve your draft times. Remember, no money will be collected until August 1st and only if we are successful in meeting our goals to purchase the AFFL. Our new individual contests will be open in the next week or so. Please contact us with any questions. Those of you with credits will be contacted by email when the credits are in your account and available for use, hopefully in the next two weeks.
Wade J. Golab
Robert j. Smolarczyk
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gordon gekko
Footballguy
so who is running the show right now...Neil or two people who are outsider but trying to buy it?!?!? someone has to be the owner/president.
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I put a call into Wade, and was satisfied he's doing all he can to get this off the ground the right way again. I certainly have no sympothy for Neil, and as stated before will be waiting for this to go the right way. or I'm getting things started for all the "joes" out there owed money.The statement above about someone actually running it is a good one, there has to be a leader. At least they are refusing money. That's all I can give them. I will roll some of last seasons $ over to this season if that's what gets me paid on last year too. I'll be supportive, without being a fool and I think there are many like me.One interesting twist, the guy that "won it all" over me lives in the twon right next to where I grew up. He won't be hard for me to find, and with about $120K owed to us combined. I would think we'd make a formitable duo oif complaint.Lets keep the faith that Wade gets it done over the next 30 days. That's good for all involved.
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gordon gekko
Footballguy
if the owners (whoever it may be) are trying to give "credit" for anyone who won last year, how is the grand prize winner going to be compensated...with 75K in "credits"?
gordon gekko
Footballguy
ya, the affl message board contains an important message regarding last year's payoutsBeantown said:
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
I can't believe the site was reloaded and that that is the actual message board link. Having seen that before going to the affl website I fully expected to see a ghosttown. Good luck to those owed money. Not sure I really want $50 of my money going near this at this point but I've got the out for sure.
-QG
out for sure.-QG
Captain Hook
Footballguy
With entry monies from the 2009 leagues
T
The Ghost of Common
Guest
Anyone who didn't get paid for a 2007 league and signed up for a 2008 league should be shot in the testicle.
buck naked
Footballguy
Nice. What do you care? It is not your money.
Balco
Footballguy
As the saying goes, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me".I hate what happened to those duped by Neil, but it will be tough for me to feel sorry for those who get duped again.
Just bumping because I'm interested here
Seems these guys are trying to resurrect the AFFL... from what they've said they're halfway to their goal of 2mil to start over and have a self-imposed August 1st deadline to get the additional funding... awkward that they'd keep the same name (AFFL) but perhaps that's a reflection of exisiting sponsorship/advertising;
Anyway, I thought I'd bump in case anyone has heard anything additional
Seems these guys are trying to resurrect the AFFL... from what they've said they're halfway to their goal of 2mil to start over and have a self-imposed August 1st deadline to get the additional funding... awkward that they'd keep the same name (AFFL) but perhaps that's a reflection of exisiting sponsorship/advertising;
Anyway, I thought I'd bump in case anyone has heard anything additional
Nope the winners of 07 are still owed and the signups for 08 can expect the same.
Leroy's Aces
Footballguy
Well, they have 21 days to raise the additional million. That only $48,000 in entry fees per day, including weekends. NO PROBLEM!They also have claimed to have invested a million into it. That web site would take about $10,000 to completely overhaul, as it looks like a disaster anyway and to put a squirrel in a cage and mis-spelling the word "Solutions" does not seem like the work of a million dollars hard at work. Some pimple-faced 19 year old Geek squad employee could fix that for $500 in 4 hours with a new message board program. I have a feeling I know why their message board is down.
To advertise in every single fantasy magazine known with a full page ad would probably run about $50,000 with discounts and I have not seen any of their ads online or via email blasts, so that leaves $950,000 worth of so-called investment not accounted for. I am just saying it is pretty easy for someone to just throw numbers around. Usually, when you actually would be talking about putting real money into something, businesspeople don't talk about it to their customers or in public. I know I wouldn't.Good luck to all players in 2008, especially the AFFL customers from 2007, I hope you get something!To the poster above, I don't think any of us misunderstand the difficult odds these guys face, especially with the AFFL name so tarnished. That said, heavy-lifting can be accomplished, and for the sake of those people who are owed money (and for the fantasy industy in general) I hope these guys can raise the additional monies and right the ship.
intangibles
Footballguy
So has anyone actually received a credit to his account for 2008 teams?
T
The Ghost of Common
Guest
Dude is long gone by now.
patrickmcgroin
Footballguy
I guess he and others like him realized nobody would help those that got ripped off. I would never do something like this online after what has happened. They have probably ruined it for any potential legit money leagues.
culdeus
Footballguy
Stunned that anyone reading this thread would play this in 2008. Stunned.
My faith in humanity sinks to yet another lowpoint.
There are 10-12 leagues of this structure. Take your business there.
It's simple math. If they take in 90% of what they payout to 2008 players the 10% is going to have to equal what? A quarter million to payout just last years winners without paying any expenses or profit at all minus whatever these guys kick in. How many teams will have to signup or defer to get everyone paid in full. 10000? It should be easy to see this is nothing more than a shell game to keep the owners out of jail long enough to split.
You all have the power to spam that message board warning people to not join in. I suggest you do it.
My faith in humanity sinks to yet another lowpoint.
There are 10-12 leagues of this structure. Take your business there.
It's simple math. If they take in 90% of what they payout to 2008 players the 10% is going to have to equal what? A quarter million to payout just last years winners without paying any expenses or profit at all minus whatever these guys kick in. How many teams will have to signup or defer to get everyone paid in full. 10000? It should be easy to see this is nothing more than a shell game to keep the owners out of jail long enough to split.
You all have the power to spam that message board warning people to not join in. I suggest you do it.
Battles
Footballguy
I'm simply amazed that the top winners haven't gotten together for a lawsuit. The idea of playing again because "it's the best I can get out of it" and/or because "these new guys have a plan" is absurd. The best plan for getting anything is joining together. I guarantee a lawyer would be interested in 1/3 of the 200k said to be represented or known of in this thread. At this point, 2/3 of 16k, 70k, and 100k would be an amazing take. Although I think everyone waited too long. The fact that people are still waiting on top of that blows my mind. Simply insane.Best of luck in working it out in the unconventional way, but there is a reason there are lawyers and lawsuits.Hopefully people are still checking here. I have another way to find the 100K winner and will be doing so.If you are owed money from the AFFL, please contact me at loubfdfantasy@hotmail.comPlease let me know the amount and the state you are in.I won't reply until after August begins, I have done some leg work and can tell you it's NOT easy to get to the right spot.But I have it ready to go.Hope to God I don't need to do this. Fantasy Football is suppossed to be a good time, not freaking law suits.
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Jason,As a participant and one of the league winners of the 2007 AFFL Silver League I can unaquivically support Areolaw's claim that the AFFL is NOT paying any of their prize winners for 2007. It seems that they are a bad bunch of businessmen and should be jailed for misappropriation of funds and fraud. I have received at least five email updates from the owner (Neil Wickham) stating that they are doing everything possible to find investors to "right the ship". I have also received email and phone calls from two potential "investors" from Chicago (Robert & Wade) that are trying to raise the capital needed to buy Wickham out and to payoff all the prize winners going back to 2006! I was also informed that if there is not a buyout, AFFL will be forced to file bankruptcy protection and NO ONE will receive their prize money. Unfortunately, the AFFL is conducting business as usual for the 2008 Fantasy Season and accepting team registrations at $200 per team (that is $50 more than previous years). I have played in the AFFL league for the past three years and finally won last season ($150.00, I broke even). However, to get the short end because of crooked and greedy businessmen is a terrible thing that no one will be able to stop, unless... we as a Fantasy Football community spread the word about Neil Wickham and the bad business practices of the American Fantasy Football League and hopefully prevent consumers from throwing their money away. I love fantasy football and it should be an online sport that you can enjoy without wondering if you are dealing with individuals with integrity.
Hopefully people are still checking here. I have another way to find the 100K winner and will be doing so.
If you are owed money from the AFFL, please contact me at loubfdfantasy@hotmail.com
Please let me know the amount and the state you are in.
I won't reply until after August begins, I have done some leg work and can tell you it's NOT easy to get to the right spot.
But I have it ready to go.
Hope to God I don't need to do this. Fantasy Football is suppossed to be a good time, not freaking law suits.
i want to keep this post as close to the last as possible so more people e-mail and we can gather this together.
If you are owed money from the AFFL, please contact me at loubfdfantasy@hotmail.com
Please let me know the amount and the state you are in.
I won't reply until after August begins, I have done some leg work and can tell you it's NOT easy to get to the right spot.
But I have it ready to go.
Hope to God I don't need to do this. Fantasy Football is suppossed to be a good time, not freaking law suits.
i want to keep this post as close to the last as possible so more people e-mail and we can gather this together.
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buck naked
Footballguy
NOONE should be dissuaded by Neil's claim that AFFL may have to file bankruptcy. If Neil committed fraud in his actions, a fraud claim against Neil for his actions is non-dischargeable in bankruptcy.
In other words, if he committed fraud, he will NEVER escape the financial consequences if people pursue their claims against him. He may file bankruptcy, but fraud claims can be pursued before the bankruptcy court.
Good luck, guys.
In other words, if he committed fraud, he will NEVER escape the financial consequences if people pursue their claims against him. He may file bankruptcy, but fraud claims can be pursued before the bankruptcy court.
Good luck, guys.
Please read the whole post above, keep the contacts flowing and I will let everyone know what the next step is after August hits.
Dreamer
Footballguy
This clown really deserves a kick in the balls. What a slimeball. Anyone not filing a lawsuit by this point is in denial.
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The Ghost of Common
Guest
Couldn't agree more. Amazing, this guy played us like a fiddle.
crnerblitz
Footballguy
Begining to look alot like conspiricy to commit fraud. Evidence of the furtherence of the underlying fraud is pretty clear here. Complaintants should consider all options to redress their injuries.
perry147
Footballguy
IOW - File your lawsuits now.
groin pains
Footballguy
Has anyone heard anything new from the new owners? I have sent two email now with no response.
I am looking for another site with similar scoring system as AFFL...anyone have any suggestions.
AFFL Leagues:
Bklyn Misfits 1 2 and 3
Xena hates Vick
I am looking for another site with similar scoring system as AFFL...anyone have any suggestions.
AFFL Leagues:
Bklyn Misfits 1 2 and 3
Xena hates Vick
Leroy's Aces
Footballguy
As an FFPC founder, I suggest you try our event.
The web address is www.TheFFPC.com and we are proud to be a Football Guys email sponsor.We do have similarities with the dual-flex and action scoring for players.We also have a few differences and one huge difference...we will pay you when you win. Our entire prize fund is secured in an attorney escrow account and will be transferred to a CPA for payouts by January 9, 2009. One of the founders lost $16K in prize money due to the AFFL, so we value prize money more than anything else.
And you can email me at dave@theFFPC.com and I guarantee I will get back to you.
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
Perhaps this guy is a geologist, where a short period may equal a few hundred million years.
Thats a good differance to have.I was browsing the fantasy mags at the convience store the other day and on the first inside page of one low and behold a AFFL advertisement. Had 07 winners listed and everything.
Maroney=Speed
Footballguy
I hope you get what you have won, but my only question is why did you wait so long? Of course if Neil came thru and paid everyone that would have been Great. But the only guy that got paid was the guy that told Neil, that Neil had a week to pay Him. Funny thing is everyone gave that guy a hard time. Who's laughing now? Well besides Neil?
Update this morning... feel sorry for the guys who are owed:
Unfortunately, at this time, we are not where we need to be financially to successfully takeover the AFFL. Realistically, and to be upfront and honest with you, I'd put our chances at less then 50% now, whereas a month ago I would of said over 90%. We have had a request from one of our potential investment groups for a few more days to talk things over. There is an internal battle amongst them on whether to invest, with the majority of them opting to invest. It has to be a unanimous decision however, and there are still a few individuals that appear to need some more convincing. We have repeatedly stressed our deadline to them, but in hopes of reaching an agreement we have extended them an extra weeks time. Subsequently, we have extended our deadline as well, to next Friday, August 8th. As many of you know we have put a lot of time and effort into getting this deal done and have decided that it is worth another weeks wait. We understand that as the season approaches it is becoming more difficult to balance the time of getting the deal done, as opposed to spending the time starting the season. We will continue to accept signups while still deferring payments. Over the next week we will also try to develop others option to get this started, while still maintaining our two main goals of securing 2008 prizes before getting started and settling 2007 payments.
We will also be sending out rollover credits over the next few days. We have not been able to contact everyone on the list for one reason or another. If we have not spoken to you we will be marking your winnings as a credit. If you would like a full or partial payout instead, please contact us directly.
Thank you for your continued understanding and support.
Wade J. Golab 773-908-0246
Robert J. Smolarczyk 773-842-5954
PS - We have had some responses from people who wish to be removed from this list. We do not have access to the email list yet but if we take over please be assured that you will be removed, if requested, at that time.
Unfortunately, at this time, we are not where we need to be financially to successfully takeover the AFFL. Realistically, and to be upfront and honest with you, I'd put our chances at less then 50% now, whereas a month ago I would of said over 90%. We have had a request from one of our potential investment groups for a few more days to talk things over. There is an internal battle amongst them on whether to invest, with the majority of them opting to invest. It has to be a unanimous decision however, and there are still a few individuals that appear to need some more convincing. We have repeatedly stressed our deadline to them, but in hopes of reaching an agreement we have extended them an extra weeks time. Subsequently, we have extended our deadline as well, to next Friday, August 8th. As many of you know we have put a lot of time and effort into getting this deal done and have decided that it is worth another weeks wait. We understand that as the season approaches it is becoming more difficult to balance the time of getting the deal done, as opposed to spending the time starting the season. We will continue to accept signups while still deferring payments. Over the next week we will also try to develop others option to get this started, while still maintaining our two main goals of securing 2008 prizes before getting started and settling 2007 payments.
We will also be sending out rollover credits over the next few days. We have not been able to contact everyone on the list for one reason or another. If we have not spoken to you we will be marking your winnings as a credit. If you would like a full or partial payout instead, please contact us directly.
Thank you for your continued understanding and support.
Wade J. Golab 773-908-0246
Robert J. Smolarczyk 773-842-5954
PS - We have had some responses from people who wish to be removed from this list. We do not have access to the email list yet but if we take over please be assured that you will be removed, if requested, at that time.
gordon gekko
Footballguy
1. you say that you "are not where we need to be financially to successfully takeover the AFFL"2. you say "If we have not spoken to you we will be marking your winnings as a credit."WOW, who is running the event right now?
