Alfred Morris, Redskins RB - Value (1 Viewer)

[Run It Up]

is he bad in the passing game or is it just that helu is better?

Too soon to tell, only 3 targets for RBs, they all went to Helu.

I thought someone posted earlier that Helu was in for 19 snaps, many lined up wide. At this point, Helu is clearly the 3rd down/pass receiving back.I actually think NFL teams are general are better if they divide up the work load, so keeping Helu as the 3rd down back makes a lot of sense. Obviously is you have an Andrian Peterson or Ray Rice, then you want them in on passing downs too.

He didnt ask if Helu was good in the passing game, he asked if Morris was bad.

 

[chinawildman]

is he bad in the passing game or is it just that helu is better?

Too soon to tell, only 3 targets for RBs, they all went to Helu.

I thought someone posted earlier that Helu was in for 19 snaps, many lined up wide. At this point, Helu is clearly the 3rd down/pass receiving back.I actually think NFL teams are general are better if they divide up the work load, so keeping Helu as the 3rd down back makes a lot of sense. Obviously is you have an Andrian Peterson or Ray Rice, then you want them in on passing downs too.

He didnt ask if Helu was good in the passing game, he asked if Morris was bad.

All scouting reports I've read about Morris have been positive regarding his pass blocking and receiving skills. I think the biggest knock on him in that department is lack of experience.

 

[Norcalhoya]

Well I looked it up it was 89 yds on 20 carries of which 1 was a 1 yd td run so he could only go 1 yd. on his last 8 carries one was a 1 play 3 yd td drive so he could only gain 3 yds. the other 7 carries look to be kill the clock type of runs. Final stats don't always tell the whole story.Edited for my bad math it was 89 yds not 81 on 20 carries.

Other running backs score short TDs too. No need to make excuses for Alf when it's not unique by any means.

 

[Mile High]

Well I looked it up it was 89 yds on 20 carries of which 1 was a 1 yd td run so he could only go 1 yd. on his last 8 carries one was a 1 play 3 yd td drive so he could only gain 3 yds. the other 7 carries look to be kill the clock type of runs. Final stats don't always tell the whole story.Edited for my bad math it was 89 yds not 81 on 20 carries.

Other running backs score short TDs too. No need to make excuses for Alf when it's not unique by any means.

 

[Sam Quentin]

ypc or not, Alf did what was needed to help win the game

 

[the spanker]

Without reading the entire thread I'm on board. Took a gamble and got him in a trade package as my #3 RB in a PPR league but got Royster and Helu off of waivers as insurance.

I think if you have him on your team you have to have the other 2 guys as well. I think there is untapped potential as long as RGIII is there spreading D's out with his running.

I don't need this guy to be spectacular all season, just against the Rams.

Anything above that is a bonus.

 

[flc735]

is he bad in the passing game or is it just that helu is better?

Too soon to tell, only 3 targets for RBs, they all went to Helu.

I thought someone posted earlier that Helu was in for 19 snaps, many lined up wide. At this point, Helu is clearly the 3rd down/pass receiving back.I actually think NFL teams are general are better if they divide up the work load, so keeping Helu as the 3rd down back makes a lot of sense. Obviously is you have an Andrian Peterson or Ray Rice, then you want them in on passing downs too.

He didnt ask if Helu was good in the passing game, he asked if Morris was bad.

All scouting reports I've read about Morris have been positive regarding his pass blocking and receiving skills. I think the biggest knock on him in that department is lack of experience.

what i was getting at is: if alfred remains the starter, is he a 25 catch back or like shonn green or a 10 catch back like bjge?

 

[Mile High]

is he bad in the passing game or is it just that helu is better?

Too soon to tell, only 3 targets for RBs, they all went to Helu.

I thought someone posted earlier that Helu was in for 19 snaps, many lined up wide. At this point, Helu is clearly the 3rd down/pass receiving back.I actually think NFL teams are general are better if they divide up the work load, so keeping Helu as the 3rd down back makes a lot of sense. Obviously is you have an Andrian Peterson or Ray Rice, then you want them in on passing downs too.

He didnt ask if Helu was good in the passing game, he asked if Morris was bad.

All scouting reports I've read about Morris have been positive regarding his pass blocking and receiving skills. I think the biggest knock on him in that department is lack of experience.

what i was getting at is: if alfred remains the starter, is he a 25 catch back or like shonn green or a 10 catch back like bjge?

I don't think anyone can answer that right now.

 

[Run It Up]

RG3 isnt gonna always be able to scramble on first and second down. I think its safe to assume that 10-20 checkdowns isnt unreasonable, more if he excels.

 

[chinawildman]

is he bad in the passing game or is it just that helu is better?

Too soon to tell, only 3 targets for RBs, they all went to Helu.

I thought someone posted earlier that Helu was in for 19 snaps, many lined up wide. At this point, Helu is clearly the 3rd down/pass receiving back.I actually think NFL teams are general are better if they divide up the work load, so keeping Helu as the 3rd down back makes a lot of sense. Obviously is you have an Andrian Peterson or Ray Rice, then you want them in on passing downs too.

He didnt ask if Helu was good in the passing game, he asked if Morris was bad.

All scouting reports I've read about Morris have been positive regarding his pass blocking and receiving skills. I think the biggest knock on him in that department is lack of experience.

what i was getting at is: if alfred remains the starter, is he a 25 catch back or like shonn green or a 10 catch back like bjge?

I think the only way Morris catches passes this early in the season is if it's a designed screen, or just RG3 improvisation. I would be very surprised to see him out there running pass routes, though it would be a boon to Morris owners to see him slipping out of the backfield in the flats, something that he didn't do in week 1.

 

[Marvelous]

is he bad in the passing game or is it just that helu is better?

Too soon to tell, only 3 targets for RBs, they all went to Helu.

I thought someone posted earlier that Helu was in for 19 snaps, many lined up wide. At this point, Helu is clearly the 3rd down/pass receiving back.I actually think NFL teams are general are better if they divide up the work load, so keeping Helu as the 3rd down back makes a lot of sense. Obviously is you have an Andrian Peterson or Ray Rice, then you want them in on passing downs too.

He didnt ask if Helu was good in the passing game, he asked if Morris was bad.

All scouting reports I've read about Morris have been positive regarding his pass blocking and receiving skills. I think the biggest knock on him in that department is lack of experience.

what i was getting at is: if alfred remains the starter, is he a 25 catch back or like shonn green or a 10 catch back like bjge?

I think the only way Morris catches passes this early in the season is if it's a designed screen, or just RG3 improvisation. I would be very surprised to see him out there running pass routes, though it would be a boon to Morris owners to see him slipping out of the backfield in the flats, something that he didn't do in week 1.

My impression is that right now, Helu is the better pass catcher. The playing time they are getting supports this.Going forward, if Helu and Morris are nearly equal, it is probably better for the team to have Helu in the long passing downs.My opinion (based on very little info) is that Helu will probably remain the better pass catcher this year. If true, Morris is probably catching in the 10-20 passes a year range. Helu is probably closer to 40 (3 per game = 48).

 

[cstu]

is he bad in the passing game or is it just that helu is better?

Too soon to tell, only 3 targets for RBs, they all went to Helu.

I thought someone posted earlier that Helu was in for 19 snaps, many lined up wide. At this point, Helu is clearly the 3rd down/pass receiving back.I actually think NFL teams are general are better if they divide up the work load, so keeping Helu as the 3rd down back makes a lot of sense. Obviously is you have an Andrian Peterson or Ray Rice, then you want them in on passing downs too.

He didnt ask if Helu was good in the passing game, he asked if Morris was bad.

All scouting reports I've read about Morris have been positive regarding his pass blocking and receiving skills. I think the biggest knock on him in that department is lack of experience.

what i was getting at is: if alfred remains the starter, is he a 25 catch back or like shonn green or a 10 catch back like bjge?

I think the only way Morris catches passes this early in the season is if it's a designed screen, or just RG3 improvisation. I would be very surprised to see him out there running pass routes, though it would be a boon to Morris owners to see him slipping out of the backfield in the flats, something that he didn't do in week 1.

My impression is that right now, Helu is the better pass catcher. The playing time they are getting supports this.Going forward, if Helu and Morris are nearly equal, it is probably better for the team to have Helu in the long passing downs.My opinion (based on very little info) is that Helu will probably remain the better pass catcher this year. If true, Morris is probably catching in the 10-20 passes a year range. Helu is probably closer to 40 (3 per game = 48).

I would hope Shanahan knows better than to run Morris into the ground. He has a very good all around RB in Helu so it would make no sense to keep him off the field, at least on 3rd downs. Helu could be very effective in that role and it would help both of them stay healthy.

 

[cstu]

7 carries for 44 yards in the 1st half good enough?

 

[Khy]

7 carries for 44 yards in the 1st half good enough?

Certainly not bad... the skins were barely on the field though. He had 7 runs, Griffin had 11 passes. I'm interested in seeing what the second half brings when Griffin doesn't throw a 70yd td pass and the skins don't score on a turnover.

 

[Mile High]

12-90 now, think he has answered.

 

[CrazyFox]

 

[Raider Nation]

Nice false start at the 1 by a stupid lineman when he was about to get the carry.

 

[therush]

I guess RGIII caught the Newton show last year and realized what big TD numbers do for your career.

 

[Mile High]

Nice false start at the 1 by a stupid lineman when he was about to get the carry.

Yeah that kind of suck as RG3 ran the QB draw for the TD. I think he's done enough to lock up the job.

 

[Marvelous]

Morris had 89 yards on 16 carries. That is 5.56 yards per carry. Morris also had 0 catches.

Morris did not play much in the 4th quarter as the Redskins were passing on most downs. The big surprise is that Evan Royster was in the game, not Roy Helu. Helu got some snaps as the 3rd down back earlier in the game, but was no where to be seen near the end.

 

[Otis]

If RG3 didn't keep vulturing all the rushing TDs this kid could have had another killer game.

 

[Run It Up]

I passed out when Morris was 6 for 44. Bradshaw's stinger puts me in a spot so it looks like im not gonna be able to move this kid even if I wanted to, which I dont.

Cincy should be a good matchup for Alf.

 

[Eviloutsider]

That game was another good sign for him. Very encouraging. I might put him near the McGahee/Greene category.

 

[mphtrilogy]

when garcon comes back and they are clicking a bit more in the pass game, it should open up again nicely.. glad I got him....

 

[TakiToki]

What an amazing performance averaging 5.6 ypc. More than a half-yard better than Gayle Sayers' and Barry Sanders' career averages. Going from worse than Kevan Barlow to better than Sayers and Sanders in one week says it all. The future holds no limits for Lord Alfred Morris.

 

[Run It Up]

What an amazing performance averaging 5.6 ypc. More than a half-yard better than Gayle Sayers' and Barry Sanders' career averages. Going from worse than Kevan Barlow to better than Sayers and Sanders in one week says it all. The future holds no limits for Lord Alfred Morris.

This guy gets it

 

[cstu]

What an amazing performance averaging 5.6 ypc. More than a half-yard better than Gayle Sayers' and Barry Sanders' career averages. Going from worse than Kevan Barlow to better than Sayers and Sanders in one week says it all. The future holds no limits for Lord Alfred Morris.

 

[The_Wolfman]

Whats with the hate for this guy? He's a solid RB3/Flex. Sure he's not going to catch a lot of passes and RG3 is going to vulture some touchdowns but it's the second week in a row he's gotten a consistent workload running the ball.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Some food for thought, a blurb from an article..

"Alfred Morris was more efficient in Week 2 (16-89, 5.6 a pop), though the fantasy score was less fun because he lost 12 touches and didn't get into the end zone. Two douses of cold water on the Morris story: he still hasn't caught a pass through two weeks, and Robert Griffin III scored twice Sunday on designed runs at the goal. I'm not suggesting an aggressive sell-at-all-costs plan with Morris, but I'd definitely be looking for a possible move.

We also have to consider how favorable first two matchups (Saints, Rams) were; eventually Morris will face a team that is actually capable of stopping the run. Griffin's presence makes it harder, of course, but Griffin also takes away some of Morris's potential value at the stripe."

I tend to agree that I'd move him now if possible. All other factors aside, WAS just lost some main cogs on defense. I'm not sure how much it will effect them, but I'd have to imagine they may have some trouble keeping games as close as they'd like in the future.

 

[just_want_2_win]

Some food for thought, a blurb from an article..

"Alfred Morris was more efficient in Week 2 (16-89, 5.6 a pop), though the fantasy score was less fun because he lost 12 touches and didn't get into the end zone. Two douses of cold water on the Morris story: he still hasn't caught a pass through two weeks, and Robert Griffin III scored twice Sunday on designed runs at the goal. I'm not suggesting an aggressive sell-at-all-costs plan with Morris, but I'd definitely be looking for a possible move.

We also have to consider how favorable first two matchups (Saints, Rams) were; eventually Morris will face a team that is actually capable of stopping the run. Griffin's presence makes it harder, of course, but Griffin also takes away some of Morris's potential value at the stripe."

I tend to agree that I'd move him now if possible. All other factors aside, WAS just lost some main cogs on defense. I'm not sure how much it will effect them, but I'd have to imagine they may have some trouble keeping games as close as they'd like in the future.

So what are some players you think you could target for in exchange for Morris?

 

[Khy]

I've been kind of wondering the same thing, I'm rather stacked at RB and was looking to move him for a WR, possibly package him with someone. What type of WR/TE types are we talking do you think in terms of value?

 

[flc735]

I've been kind of wondering the same thing, I'm rather stacked at RB and was looking to move him for a WR, possibly package him with someone. What type of WR/TE types are we talking do you think in terms of value?

i traded him for antonio brown today. also had the option of taking torrey smith instead. ppr league and he was weak at RB.i think torrey, garcon, stevie johnson and amendola are good guys to target right now. maybe you can pair him with a WR2 and buy low on fitzETA: colston, floyd, decker, britt, crabby and welker

 

[DexterDew]

i guess you can get whatever a low end RB2 will fetch... lower if standard scoring

 

[Badgers Fan]

I haven't gotten much action or anything worthwhile for him yet. I think most owners should hold him and play him vs the Bengals. If he can come through for a 3rd straight week, then maybe he finally gets some respect and decent trade value.

 

[Khy]

I haven't gotten much action or anything worthwhile for him yet. I think most owners should hold him and play him vs the Bengals. If he can come through for a 3rd straight week, then maybe he finally gets some respect and decent trade value.

Yea... I was thinking this as well. I'm trying to target my one owner who has Cruz, Steve Smith, V Jax and Antonio Brown. Starting on the higher end with Smith to see what he values Morris at. His RBs right now are kevin smith, MJD, Ben Tate so it's definitely an enormous upgrade for him considering we start 2-3 RBs each week. I'll come back and post if anything moves in that trade. Personally any of those guys would work for me. Obviously I won't get Cruz... I don't think Smith or V Jax is out of the question, I'd actually say they are more likely than Brown. This guy loves Antonio Brown for some reason.

 

[flc735]

i think you will have to wait for a 90 yards, 1 td game or maybe back to back 90 yard 1 td games. if alf scoreda td last game then all of a sudden he has 3 td's in 2 games and looks like a possible 15 td guy. that 1 play changes a lot.

trying to sell a guy after a 8.5 point game it going to be tough. he only has a few tough games this year so it should happen a some point.

 

[gambla]

Just traded Morris + gonzo for Chris Johnson

 

[Run It Up]

i guess you can get whatever a low end RB2 will fetch... lower if standard scoring

He should be worth more in standard.

 

[fatness]

Bump Morris.

 

[cstu]

Bump Morris.

Love this guy.

Since that time, however, Morris has had some quality time to bond with his vehicle, considering he drove it more than 20 hours from South Florida to his new D.C.-area residence when he was drafted by the Redskins.

 

[Clifford]

I might actually stop shopping him based on this

 

[Clifford]

Just traded Morris + gonzo for Chris Johnson

Bad, bad mistake

 

[Marvelous]

I actually don't understand people trying to move Morris. The longer he is the starter, the more his value goes up as the fear of Shanahan benching him fade.

 

[Timmay]

After week 1 i was thinking about trading him away, then after week 2 with him still recieving the bulk of carriers, i think i am going to hold onto him, unless i get a really good offer. I just dont trust Shanahan and his sneaky RB distributions. I fear that 1 bad game is going to cause Shanahan to look elsewhere.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I'm buying the redskins O. They have perhaps the best O-line in the NFL. A great scheme that has been tailored to a stud QB. A RB who fits the mold of their coaches preferences. And a D that may give up some points. I just traded Michael Bush and Jay Cutler for RG3. So no I have RG3, Morris, and Garcon.

 

[UKColt]

I'm starting him over BJGE and Ridley this week.

Another big week and I may well be able to flip him to the desperate McFadden owner

 

[Joe Summer]

Bump Morris.

Love this guy.

Since that time, however, Morris has had some quality time to bond with his vehicle, considering he drove it more than 20 hours from South Florida to his new D.C.-area residence when he was drafted by the Redskins.

Morris' nickname should be "Bentley".

 

[Clifford]

Funny, just checked into the dynasty RB ranking thread and almost everyone has him dead last, even behind guys like Hillman and Turbin.

People are just so spooked by Shanny no one wants this guy. Understandable given the coach, but kid passes the eyeball test and then some.

 

[TxBuckeye]

I'm buying the redskins O. They have perhaps the best O-line in the NFL. A great scheme that has been tailored to a stud QB. A RB who fits the mold of their coaches preferences. And a D that may give up some points. I just traded Michael Bush and Jay Cutler for RG3. So no I have RG3, Morris, and Garcon.

Wait, wat??

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I'm buying the redskins O. They have perhaps the best O-line in the NFL. A great scheme that has been tailored to a stud QB. A RB who fits the mold of their coaches preferences. And a D that may give up some points. I just traded Michael Bush and Jay Cutler for RG3. So no I have RG3, Morris, and Garcon.

Wait, wat??

Run blocking-wise I think anybody back there will produce. Morris is a great fit though.