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Jackson in the second round was a HUGE mistake when there were tons of decent starting options and a more than excellent chance Jackson would have been there on the comeback. I don't hate taking the rook, but as your RB1 after going WR in ruond 1, with tons of other RB options on the board - well, I am betting you are glad this is a mock draft in a no-money league. I will eat my own head if that is a move you would actually make in real life
I actually think more in terms of taking him as the 15th RB off the board. My money 12-team redraft league drafts on the Saturday morning of the final preseason games when camp is over and much has been decided, and if Jackson is the apparent starter on a team like Dallas or Detroit, I'm sure I'll be considering him as a RB2, in the general range of RB15 on my list.Truthfully, I sort of underestimated that others would draft Garner and Martin. I thought one of the 2 would make it back to me giving me a little veteran comfort. When that didn't happen, I had to take "the best option" which was <gasp> Thomas Jones. In hindsight, the Jackson pick looks silly, but only because I backed myself into a corner -willingly - by taking Moss 1st.HERD
 
JAARB Stephen Davis CAR 0 14 Onterrio Smith MIN 0 6 DeShaun Foster CAR 0 5 WR Marvin Harrison IND 0 12 Anquan Boldin ARI 0 9 Steve Smith CAR 0 9 This ones tough for me to judge without seeing the final product, but there is huge talent at WR and at least 1 guaranteed serviceable back. Could be a trade away from eliteness, or a sleeper coming through could cement it too.
It's actually easy to judge - he has the best WR corps in the league and a decent starting RB option. If SDavis plays as a top-12 RB, and if OSmith performs at an 8 points a week pace or better, he will be competitive most weeks.Always keep in mind that Herd with Moss and JAA with Harrison are gambling that they start with an average of 5-10 pts more than everyone else from the WRposiiton - better RBs have to make up the difference - and JAA has solidified himself with the WR2 spot by likely playing a few points ahead there, too.
 
It's actually easy to judge - he has the best WR corps in the league and a decent starting RB option.
In a start 2, I'll gladly put Moss(stud)/Moulds(off-year) against Harrison(stud) and either of those two guys. In a start 3, I wouldn't be looking so good, but I like the Moss/Moulds combo in a start 2.HERD
 
Always keep in mind that Herd with Moss and JAA with Harrison are gambling that they start with an average of 5-10 pts more than everyone else from the WRposiiton - better RBs have to make up the difference - and JAA has solidified himself with the WR2 spot by likely playing a few points ahead there, too.
The only problem I have with this is that you can only start 2 at a time. That means a bit part of your early draft is sitting on the bench no matter what. With running backs its less an issue, RBs usually are producing, or are mediocre, or are not producing. WRs run hot and cold, and are tough to play matchup with. So your odds of starting the wrong one are high. I prefer to have 2 WRs i have confidence in and am going to play, then some guys further down the draft that can fill in or are sleepers in their own right.
 
I actually think more in terms of taking him as the 15th RB off the board. My money 12-team redraft league drafts on the Saturday morning of the final preseason games when camp is over and much has been decided, and if Jackson is the apparent starter on a team like Dallas or Detroit, I'm sure I'll be considering him as a RB2, in the general range of RB15 on my list.Truthfully, I sort of underestimated that others would draft Garner and Martin. I thought one of the 2 would make it back to me giving me a little veteran comfort. When that didn't happen, I had to take "the best option" which was <gasp> Thomas Jones. In hindsight, the Jackson pick looks silly, but only because I backed myself into a corner -willingly - by taking Moss 1st.HERD
Exactly - my only problem with it was while Jackson was RB15 on YOUR board, he probably would have slipped past most of these guys. In reality, though, who would you have taken instead (ie - RB16?) Henry? I am guessing not based on our bet.You may or may not be correct that Jackson ends up the feature back in Dallas or NE - and at THAT time the move may not be dumb - but this mock is taking place in April - before Jackson is an NFL player - and it was a draft day mistake b/c Jackson almost assuredly would be there for you in the late third round.If Jackson is selected early in the draft by some team pulling a Buffalo and stockpiling for later down the road, that was a really bad mistake instead of simply a gamble.
 
Agreed.But I wasn't going to overpay for a guy like Hearst and I don't think that Henry is going to be a RB1 (stat-wise) this-season.I think my biggest mistake, in hindsight, was not slotting myself in a place to get a stud RB when picking a draft position. ;) HERD

 
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The only problem I have with this is that you can only start 2 at a time. That means a bit part of your early draft is sitting on the bench no matter what. With running backs its less an issue, RBs usually are producing, or are mediocre, or are not producing. WRs run hot and cold, and are tough to play matchup with. So your odds of starting the wrong one are high. I prefer to have 2 WRs i have confidence in and am going to play, then some guys further down the draft that can fill in or are sleepers in their own right.
:thumbup: Having options only means you have more chances to screw up. Having two legit wide receivers is a lot easier to manage then picking and choosing between 4 average players.I know because I started Hasslebeck every game last year except one and it cost me the Championship.I benched Hasslebeck in week 12 against the Ravens for Kelly Holcombe against the Steelers. Hasslebeck lit it up, Holcombe laid an egg.
 
In a start 2, I'll gladly put Moss(stud)/Moulds(off-year) against Harrison(stud) and either of those two guys. In a start 3, I wouldn't be looking so good, but I like the Moss/Moulds combo in a start 2.HERD
Actually, I didn't look too hard at anyone's rosters, I was just making the argument for JAA about the points advantage per game based on his roster. You get that advantage too, but are lagging behind him at RB. Since you put it out there though: Consider, that Moulds way underperformed last year and if Boldin repeats his performance, Moulds, even in an "up" year, will have a tough time matching those numbers. I actually have Boldin on my current board higher than Moulds for a variety of reasons.Unless another receiver is added to that team who is a playah, I see no reason for Boldin's performance to markedly decline this year, and I think the is comparable - if not a better option - than Moulds. And if one of his receivers fails or gets injured, JAA is backed up by Steve Smith - and he has Steve Smith to plug in on each of his starter's bye weeks - which you do not. So, IMO, a better receiving corps than yours- no matter that I think Moss is the second coming of Jerry Rice in fantasy WR terms.
 
I just got home and I'm happy to see I got Booker. He was 2nd on my predraft list behind Bruce. I'm really starting to like my team. The depth at RB gives me alot of trade bait.QB TM B FP Matt Hasselbeck SEA 0 32 RB Jamal Lewis BAL 0 18 Travis Henry BUF 0 13 Curtis Martin NYJ 0 10 Eddie George TEN 0 9 WR Marty Booker CHI 0 7 I skimmed through the thread and I really like the Shark Pool League idea. Only if I'm in it though. :yes:

 
The only problem I have with this is that you can only start 2 at a time. That means a bit part of your early draft is sitting on the bench no matter what. With running backs its less an issue, RBs usually are producing, or are mediocre, or are not producing. WRs run hot and cold, and are tough to play matchup with. So your odds of starting the wrong one are high. I prefer to have 2 WRs i have confidence in and am going to play, then some guys further down the draft that can fill in or are sleepers in their own right.
WRs have tremendous trade value once the cream rises to the top.That said, I agree that JAA's choice of grabbing three WR early was confusing given his situation, but there really weren't any RB options he was in love with, and he ended with what he would have had at the earlier spots - a RBBC member.
 
I just got home and I'm happy to see I got Booker. He was 2nd on my predraft list behind Bruce. I'm really starting to like my team. The depth at RB gives me alot of trade bait.QB TM B FP Matt Hasselbeck SEA 0 32 RB Jamal Lewis BAL 0 18 Travis Henry BUF 0 13 Curtis Martin NYJ 0 10 Eddie George TEN 0 9 WR Marty Booker CHI 0 7 I skimmed through the thread and I really like the Shark Pool League idea. Only if I'm in it though. :yes:
Now that they are selected Booker, and secondarily Bruce, were two MORE receivers (in addition to JSmith, RSmith and Price) I'd have preferred over CRogers - only Bruce did not fit the criteria mentioned of being the #1 WR.Sorry to keep harping on it Brit, but I fail to see the interest in Rogers as an FF starter. I'd add him as a WR3 and hope he pans out, but he can't go higher than that without having shown anything in the NFL and after suffering an injury.
 
Commentary/Rationale for my last two picks.

6.11 Rod Smith (WR3)

I take back everything bad I ever said about Rod Smith. He's a stud. I did say I was not so hot on Rod/Jimmy, but 20 picks later, he looks like a diamond. Call it draught goggles I guess, or maybe slevin's smashed my Rogers dreams and made me adjust my expectations with his pessimism. Rodney is old. He's not terribly fast, and never has been. He's not even that big. But he's performed well for quite a while now, plays through injury, and should come real close to 1000 and 5 Td's with a stroke of luck he could grab 7 Td's for me and be very valuable. I don't really like Plummer throwing to him, but as a 3rd WR, and my 6th overall player, he is alright as a placeholder. I can play the matchups a little bit if I need to, and if one of Rogers/Andre stay in the mediocre range, which is a definite possibility, it'll be nice to have a vet to slide in that I can feel confident in.

Mostly I made this pick to draw raves from the masses.

7.4 Byron Leftwich (QB2)

There are a couple of RB's and couple of WR's that I would like to add, but the number of starting QB's is running low. Pepper is going to have a bye week, and DID get injured last season, so even the tank can get dented, as much as I hate to admit. I wanted Tom Brady for this spot badly, but Red stole him from me. Brady was a real value at this point. He throws every friggin down. But, I had to settle for Leftwich. I flip flopped with Garcia, and it was truly hard to decide between these guys, but Byron won me over. I think, and now hope, JAX will draft another WR. Jimmy and KJ are decent, and a 3rd WR would make this corps look respectable, especially a burner to open up the field a little. I shied away from Garcia due to the fact that he's on a new team, and a team that perennially disappoints. Garcia makes me look accurate passing the ball. He is fond of "the McNabb". A maneuver best described as running forward, while simultaneously with a sweeping overhand throwing at the ankles of the intended target. I am not fond of that.

Leftwich is a beautiful passer, and has a lot more upside (and downside, I know) than Garcia. I felt I had to go QB here to both put the squeeze on the 3 teams without QB's, and assure myself of a quality backup in case of emergency. I have a feeling the QB pool will shrivel considerably before my next pick, and I have no desire to roll out Tim Couch on my bye week. I could be wrong, maybe teams will elect to fill rosters or draft kickers, but I think there will be a few QB's taken soon.

 
Juice's Core:McNabbMcAllisterMike BennettWarrick DunnKoren RobinsonStallworthLelieI'm happy with the way my team is looking. McNabb is a dual threat and I believe will be top 3 with Owens at his disposal. Mcalister is money, Bennet (if he comes back healthy) is a threat to go the distance every time he touches the ball, Warrick Dunn is underrated every year. And then for receivers I have 3 young game breakers. Critique away.

 
Now that they are selected Booker, and secondarily Bruce, were two MORE receivers (in addition to JSmith, RSmith and Price) I'd have preferred over CRogers - only Bruce did not fit the criteria mentioned of being the #1 WR.Sorry to keep harping on it Brit, but I fail to see the interest in Rogers as an FF starter. I'd add him as a WR3 and hope he pans out, but he can't go higher than that without having shown anything in the NFL and after suffering an injury.
Bring it suckah!!!See above post.
 
ShadowMaster

Fred Taylor JAX 0 14 T.J. Duckett ATL 0 9 Duce Staley PIT 0 7 WR David Boston MIA 0 9 Isaac Bruce STL 0 9 TE Jeremy Shockey NYG 0 8
Duckett and Taylor are your #1, #2 I dont care what you say! :P Staley is a great #3. Recievers are solid enough if Boston pans out. Could probly use some youth and upside in that area, id look for a sleep WR. Shockey... sorry but taking him before Gonzo was a blunder imo.
 
The Infamous Hybrid OnionRB Marshall Faulk STL 0 16 Rudi Johnson CIN 0 12 Garrison Hearst DEN 0 9 Maurice Clarett 0 0 WR Derrick Mason TEN 0 11 Laveranues Coles WAS 0 9 Clearly deep at RB, at least 2 of those guys should have good-excellent seasons. I like the WRs, they will produce, thats all there is too it. I wondering how thin he'll end up at QB. The only thing that bothers me is the lack of guaranteed impact players, but again picking this late its par for the course.
I like this team a lot. I am in the camp of folks that believes, at least early in the year, Hearst will see a lot of time on the field. I am also convionced that Rudi will be tremendous. So, if Marshal doesn't miss more than 3 games and if he is on the field for the last 8-10 weeks of the season (maybe his last games) this team will be noisy heading into the playoffs.I love the WR 1-2 punch - they are both in my top-10 WR list.F-QB. Most overrated position in every FF draft. I am like B-O, I ignore the QB spot until almost everyone else has filled in their starter. I LOVE seeing QBs selected befor eth e6th round. It is a guarantee that a different QB I like will drop and it is a guarantee that a RB, WR, or even top-TE will drop yet one more spot closer to me. IMO, QB4 and QB16 have equivelant chances to be top-5 - I'll gamble on QB 13 and QB 15 and stockpile my WRs and RBs instead.
 
Guys, I will be bugging out shortly. I have put in my pre-daft rankings for a few picks and if that doesn't work, I will make a pick first thing in the morning if you are waiting on me.

 
7.1 Waterbottles J Porter WR 7.2 Red Rum T Brady QB 7.3 Juice\'s Core A Lelie WR 7.4 Brit's Brutes B Leftwich QB 7.5 Psycho T Hambrick RB 7.6 redsoxfan K Johnson Lelie is great here.

 
1. I'm still waiting for Lelie to show something. THat being said, he's got some upside. 2. I'm not sure I think Hambrick is of much value this early in the draft. Interesting.HERD

 
7.1 Waterbottles J Porter WR 7.2 Red Rum T Brady QB 7.3 Juice\'s Core A Lelie WR 7.4 Brit's Brutes B Leftwich QB 7.5 Psycho T Hambrick RB 7.6 redsoxfan K Johnson Lelie is great here.
Yeah, he was one of the guys I was hoping would slip...
 
ShadowMasterDuckett and Taylor are your #1, #2 I dont care what you say! :P Staley is a great #3. Recievers are solid enough if Boston pans out. Could probly use some youth and upside in that area, id look for a sleep WR. Shockey... sorry but taking him before Gonzo was a blunder imo.
Agreed - I also made my feelings known about Henry versus Staley. I look at this team and I see what could have been:If I were picking, it would have gone:RB: Taylor, HenryWR: Boldin (or Mason), Boston, Bruce TE: GonzoInstead of Boston, I might have added one of the RBs selected between that pick and the next pick and then I'd have taken whichever of Bruce or Boston fell.IMO, the squad above - substitute OSmith, Hearst or MCGAHEE!! for Boston at RB3 if you wish - is a significantly more reliable team.I am thinking you pushed the panic button on Duckett b/c you were sold on going RB-RB-RB, or else we are really divergent on what we think Duckett can do with Vick and Dunn cutting into his touches in a WCO. I need to see camps to know for sure, but I don;t think Duckett will see over 100 yards more than three times this season, and I think his TD numbers will be under 6 due to the Vick vulture.
 
I had a tough time deciding betwen Wayne and Gardner. I decided to go with Garnder becaise I think Portis will keep defenses honest and Coles will attract double teams. QB TM B FP Matt Hasselbeck SEA 0 32 RB Jamal Lewis BAL 0 18 Travis Henry BUF 0 13 Curtis Martin NYJ 0 10 Eddie George TEN 0 9 WR Marty Booker CHI 0 7 Rod Gardner WAS 0 6 Comments?

 
1. I'm still waiting for Lelie to show something. THat being said, he's got some upside. 2. I'm not sure I think Hambrick is of much value this early in the draft. Interesting.HERD
Herd, I completely agree with both. I DID want to grab Lelie myself to pair with Rod, but I was planning on waiting a couple more rounds. Hambrick COULD be a steal if Dallas somehow, although unlikely, doesn't get a RB. But I think he might have lasted a bit longer.
 
The only problem I have with this is that you can only start 2 at a time. That means a bit part of your early draft is sitting on the bench no matter what. With running backs its less an issue, RBs usually are producing, or are mediocre, or are not producing. WRs run hot and cold, and are tough to play matchup with. So your odds of starting the wrong one are high. I prefer to have 2 WRs i have confidence in and am going to play, then some guys further down the draft that can fill in or are sleepers in their own right.
Hypothetical:If one of those guys scores 3 TDs in the first two weeks, what sort of trade offers will I have out there?
 
Commentary/Rationale for my last two picks.

6.11 Rod Smith (WR3)
Dude - excellent value with that pick - almost the 7th round of a 14 team draft and you landed a viable 70 catch/~1G/6 - 8 TD receiver.And yeah the hedge versus Rogers was smart - you got the guy I would have picked all the way back in the 5th - ahead of Rogers - nearly two rounds later - excellent value.

 
he ended with what he would have had at the earlier spots - a RBBC member.
on the money. I was shooting for Ont Smith back when I drafted Boldin. I guessed he would still be around and there would be a WR run. I really really wanted Martin, but he didnt fall to me, I had George above SSmith, but he fall.While I may have gotten more RB option with not taking SSmith or Boldin even, how bad would it have looked for someone else to put them on their team.
 
Hypothetical:If one of those guys scores 3 TDs in the first two weeks, what sort of trade offers will I have out there?
You're set. Another hypothetical, they all catch 1 in a different week for the first 3 weeks.Btw, I dont like the Rod Smith pick all that much, although the spot was ok for it. I think he goes Tim Brown this year.
 
I had a tough time deciding betwen Wayne and Gardner. I decided to go with Garnder becaise I think Portis will keep defenses honest and Coles will attract double teams. QB TM B FP Matt Hasselbeck SEA 0 32 RB Jamal Lewis BAL 0 18 Travis Henry BUF 0 13 Curtis Martin NYJ 0 10 Eddie George TEN 0 9 WR Marty Booker CHI 0 7 Rod Gardner WAS 0 6 Comments?
Yea: Let me know when you want to overpay for one of my WRs ... :P ;)
 
You're set. Another hypothetical, they all catch 1 in a different week for the first 3 weeks.
Ill take action on thatEach of my 3 receivers only catch 1 TD in the 1st 3 weeks. That means if any of them score more than 1 TD in the first 3 weeks I win. Any takers?
 
Agreed - I also made my feelings known about Henry versus Staley. I look at this team and I see what could have been:If I were picking, it would have gone:RB: Taylor, HenryWR: Boldin (or Mason), Boston, Bruce TE: Gonzo
Ahhhhh, but your not......Your just a collection of worthless critiques of your own opinions on player values..... Your not even drafting in this.I actually like what I have BETTER than the crap you listed (which I didn't quote) - which is kinda important considering it's MY team.I could be wrong, but....I like Staley over HenryI like TJ over ALL those jokers you listedI like Shockey over Gonzo (49 catches in 9 games last year!)We'll see how WRONG I was in January 2005
 
I had a tough time deciding betwen Wayne and Gardner. I decided to go with Garnder becaise I think Portis will keep defenses honest and Coles will attract double teams. QB TM B FP Matt Hasselbeck SEA 0 32 RB Jamal Lewis BAL 0 18 Travis Henry BUF 0 13 Curtis Martin NYJ 0 10 Eddie George TEN 0 9 WR Marty Booker CHI 0 7 Rod Gardner WAS 0 6 Comments?
Right choice - here it had to be Gardner or (shhhh!) Wayne is a huge questionmark with Stokely, Pollard, Clark, James and the other backs all vying for Harrison's scraps.I like this team, though I think you will be forced at some point to trade a RB for WR help - especially if Eddie ends up as the starter for Tennessee. That said, your WR3 will be interesting.People are going to be cractching their heads on how you got thoe three RBs in a 14-team draft - they should look at themselves. No way Curtis Martin should have fallen that far, so folks should look at everyone drafting in the early third and Henry to the mid- 2nd was a shock. You got two of the best steals in the first three rounds - and both at RB.
 
Ahhhhh, but your not......Your just a collection of worthless critiques of your own opinions on player values..... Your not even drafting in this.I actually like what I have BETTER than the crap you listed (which I didn't quote) - which is kinda important considering it's MY team.I could be wrong, but....I like Staley over HenryI like TJ over ALL those jokers you listedI like Shockey over Gonzo (49 catches in 9 games last year!)We'll see how WRONG I was in January 2005
Ouchee ... no need for such harshness. This is a MOC DRAFT and a learning experience.Unless we got some $$ or sig bets on the line :P
 
I like this team, though I think you will be forced at some point to trade a RB for WR help - especially if Eddie ends up as the starter for Tennessee. That said, your WR3 will be interesting.
hint hint hint ...
 
Ouchee ... no need for such harshness. This is a MOC DRAFT and a learning experience.Unless we got some $$ or sig bets on the line :P
I wouldn't be opposed to making a real league (for $$$) out of the teams in this mock draft. I know we wouldn't draft 'til the summer, but I would love to be in a competitive league with all sharks.
 
Ahhhhh, but your not......Your just a collection of worthless critiques of your own opinions on player values..... Your not even drafting in this.I actually like what I have BETTER than the crap you listed (which I didn't quote) - which is kinda important considering it's MY team.I could be wrong, but....I like Staley over HenryI like TJ over ALL those jokers you listedI like Shockey over Gonzo (49 catches in 9 games last year!)We'll see how WRONG I was in January 2005
I mentioned it was your team and that you were happy with it - I see it as what could have been. As for the "worthless" critique, I though an objective observation was invited - especially since the results are being posted in the SHARK'S POOL - not just on your Xpert league site.And, if you go back to the first or second page, I said I was going to do this if the results were posted here - you should have said "not about my team." Finally, this is a MOCK draft - I don't think you all are even keeping these teams into the season - but either way, the draft is composed of Shark Pool members, and the results are being posted publicly here - obviously soliciting commentary.However, I will refrain from commenting on your team since you are obviously upset by it. If anyone else doesn't like criticism, I'll refrain there, too. You are happy with your team - that's great - enjoy the rest of your mock draft.
 
I think my biggest mistake, in hindsight, was not slotting myself in a place to get a stud RB when picking a draft position. ;)
I just caught this - funnee!True that the spot where Moss becomes the best value - wherever that is in your draft - will be a tough spot to be in since you are deciding between a WR1 who plays like a RB1 and lower echelon RB1 players - and a guarantee that if you take Moss, your RB2 situation will be fuzzy as you watch all these backs go off the board before you pick again.I will mock out picking Moss at different spots as the spring evolves and see what RB permutations exist
 
The more critiques, the better. :thumbup:
As I thought - it was fun in the Shark Pool survivor league to hear other league mate's criticisms, but the more interesting discussions were prompted by others in the Pool.
 
I wouldn't be opposed to making a real league (for $$$) out of the teams in this mock draft. I know we wouldn't draft 'til the summer, but I would love to be in a competitive league with all sharks.
Not. A. Chance. I'm trying to build a good team here, but I'm no fool. If Jackson's situation ends up less-then-prime or T. Jones remembers his T. Jones, I'm dead in the water and we're not even halfway done.I made my picks aprroximating a "best case scenario" for these guys, and as such this team will either be fantastic in September or downright horrid. I'm not putting money on something like that.... :cool: HERD
 
Hey - I don't mind some constructive critism of my choices, but to list out how he felt I should have played it in that detail is too much......He puts WAY too much value on his own opinions as fact.Hearst = vet backup at bestMcGahee = unproven on the NFL level and coming off MAJOR injury - has to win jobO.Smith = guy in the biggest RBBC on the planetI'm not going to listen to this crap that I'm better with these clowns over a guy who ran for 11 TDs as a 10 game starter in 2003 without firing back that I think slevin is sniffing too much glue when evaluating players.

 
Not. A. Chance. I'm trying to build a good team here, but I'm no fool. If Jackson's situation ends up less-then-prime or T. Jones remembers his T. Jones, I'm dead in the water and we're not even halfway done.I made my picks aprroximating a "best case scenario" for these guys, and as such this team will either be fantastic in September or downright horrid. I'm not putting money on something like that.... :cool: HERD
Re-read my post, Herd. I said we could draft in the summer. I would like to have all these owners in the league though.
 
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Ill take action on that
I wasnt being literal, i was illustrating a point. That being what do you do if all three WRs are in spitting distance of each other after a few weaks in fantasy points? You're stuck with a significant draft pick sitting on the bench and worse he's approxiamately as likely to be the top scoring WR. Meanwhile you could have upgraded elsewhere with that pick.
 

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