His offensive numbers are just slightly better. His defensuve numbers are not. Miggy's on pace to finish with a -17 UZR. There is a huge difference between the 2 defensively. Huge. If you want to rip on voters for David Murphy potentially being an all star, I'm with you. If you want to rip on them for having Cruz too high in the voting, I agree. If you want to rip on them for even putting Mitch Moreland on the ballot.... To get bent out of shape for Beltre having more votes than Cabrera is crazy. And let's not act like this is the first time asg voting has been out of whack. The entire asg is a joke from voting to every team having an all star to it deciding home field.Your post reads like a politicians. Miggy has "slightly" better offensive numbers. "Beltre is (was) a gold glove 3B." You play down Miggy's batting stats vs Beltre but then play up Beltre's past defensive numbers. We're talking about this year and Miggy's defense has been pretty good actually. Give him a little credit.
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Bogart
Footballguy
Should we really be pissed or even surprised at any All-Star voting at this point?
It was nothing but Yankees for ever. The Rangers have been the AL champs the last two years, had crazy attendance and a good start to the season. They are also the players at the front of mind for a lot of kids, those that really vote on these things. A young Bogart back in the day, when he couldn't vote in David Hulse and Scott Fletcher, would try to put in the player he wanted to see. Those were always the players that were on the Game of the Week or guys written about in SI or Sport. That is all this game is.
The fact that it decides homefield advantage for the WS is what makes me puke.
It was nothing but Yankees for ever. The Rangers have been the AL champs the last two years, had crazy attendance and a good start to the season. They are also the players at the front of mind for a lot of kids, those that really vote on these things. A young Bogart back in the day, when he couldn't vote in David Hulse and Scott Fletcher, would try to put in the player he wanted to see. Those were always the players that were on the Game of the Week or guys written about in SI or Sport. That is all this game is.
The fact that it decides homefield advantage for the WS is what makes me puke.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Just another day of humble honesty from a Detroit Tiger fan.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Is there a reason you choose to hang your hat on UZR and in the meantime ignore the fielding stats I've posted?His offensive numbers are just slightly better. His defensuve numbers are not. Miggy's on pace to finish with a -17 UZR. There is a huge difference between the 2 defensively. Huge. If you want to rip on voters for David Murphy potentially being an all star, I'm with you. If you want to rip on them for having Cruz too high in the voting, I agree. If you want to rip on them for even putting Mitch Moreland on the ballot.... To get bent out of shape for Beltre having more votes than Cabrera is crazy. And let's not act like this is the first time asg voting has been out of whack. The entire asg is a joke from voting to every team having an all star to it deciding home field.Your post reads like a politicians. Miggy has "slightly" better offensive numbers. "Beltre is (was) a gold glove 3B." You play down Miggy's batting stats vs Beltre but then play up Beltre's past defensive numbers. We're talking about this year and Miggy's defense has been pretty good actually. Give him a little credit.
I don't see some huge difference between the 2 defensively this year. Being completely honest, I'd guess there would be very few non-Ranger fans on this board who would choose Beltre over Cabrera for the All Star Game. What do you think?
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Doctor Detroit
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When has this ever factored into All Star voting? Konerko should be in because he has better stats, this is pretty much how it has always worked besides it being a huge popularity contest. I honestly have never heard an all-star argument based on where a guy's team is.
If there is a HUGE difference between Cabrera and Beltre in the field, then there is a HUGE difference between the two at the plate. Cabrera is the best righthanded hitter in baseball, Beltre is not in the top 20. Cabrera's OPS is more than 100 points higher than Beltre's (and is every year), easily ahead in all the number generating cats and doesn't have the home hitting advantage Beltre has. Not that facts ever got in your way, but saying there is a HUGE difference between the two in the field and then turning around and saying Cabrera's hitting numbers are just "slightly better" is hilarious.
Bogart
Footballguy
Records are NEVER used in AS voting, I know that. Was just making a comment. Like I said earlier, it's a popularity contest. We all agree on that. Don't ##### at the people here, go ##### at the 8 yo who wants to see Jeter start the game yet again.
Doctor Detroit
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I really could care less who starts. Just make sure that the best guys get the most PAs and it actually would be nice to have guys like Konerko and Cabrera coming in to the game to face all those one inning relievers the NL will start pitching in the 5th. It's not worth getting worked up about either but since this game now has so much impact because of the homefield advantage thing, the guys playing have to take it pretty seriously. I don't understand why they don't just pay the winning players X amount, and the losing players nothing as motivation. Then the game flows and is enjoyable for everyone and doesn't affect something it has no business impacting.
the moops
Footballguy
Slightly better? You are insane. Cabrera has him crushed in every single categoryJust a quick sampling.OPS+ 149 to 111WAR 2.0 to 1.1RC/G 7 to 5.7
June 12th National League update
FIRST BASE
Joey Votto, Reds: 2,108,725
Lance Berkman, Cardinals: 851,373
Freddie Freeman, Braves: 828,759
Brandon Belt, Giants: 563,708
Bryan LaHair, Cubs: 514,809
SECOND BASE
Dan Uggla, Braves: 1,341,088
Brandon Phillips, Reds: 885,250
Omar Infante, Marlins: 737,715
Jose Altuve, Astros: 700,640
Rickie Weeks, Brewers: 642,184
THIRD BASE
David Wright, Mets: 1,358,992
Pablo Sandoval, Giants: 1,103,650
David Freese, Cardinals: 1,095,206
Chipper Jones, Braves: 1,054,586
Placido Polanco, Phillies: 635,782
SHORTSTOP
Troy Tulowitzki, Rockies: 1,200,256
Rafael Furcal, Cardinals: 1,183,096
Starlin Castro, Cubs: 738,771
Jimmy Rollins, Phillies: 684,754
Jose Reyes, Marlins: 662,199
CATCHER
Buster Posey, Giants: 1,713,839
Yadier Molina, Cardinals: 1,576,199
Carlos Ruiz, Phillies: 1,191,194
Brian McCann, Braves: 1,012,743
Jonathan Lucroy, Brewers: 588,710
OUTFIELD
Matt Kemp, Dodgers: 2,589,464
Carlos Beltran, Cardinals: 1,782,831
Ryan Braun, Brewers: 1,553,356
Melky Cabrera, Giants: 1,357,461
Andre Ethier, Dodgers: 1,142,312
Matt Holliday, Cardinals: 951,652
Hunter Pence, Phillies: 861,555
Michael Bourn, Braves: 768,049
Shane Victorino, Phillies: 733,310
Carlos Gonzalez, Rockies: 728,903
Andrew McCutchen, Pirates: 728,522
Angel Pagan, Giants: 722,820
Jason Heyward, Braves: 717,121
Jay Bruce, Reds: 655,098
Martin Prado, Braves: 560,943
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FIRST BASE
Joey Votto, Reds: 2,108,725
Lance Berkman, Cardinals: 851,373
Freddie Freeman, Braves: 828,759
Brandon Belt, Giants: 563,708
Bryan LaHair, Cubs: 514,809
SECOND BASE
Dan Uggla, Braves: 1,341,088
Brandon Phillips, Reds: 885,250
Omar Infante, Marlins: 737,715
Jose Altuve, Astros: 700,640
Rickie Weeks, Brewers: 642,184
THIRD BASE
David Wright, Mets: 1,358,992
Pablo Sandoval, Giants: 1,103,650
David Freese, Cardinals: 1,095,206
Chipper Jones, Braves: 1,054,586
Placido Polanco, Phillies: 635,782
SHORTSTOP
Troy Tulowitzki, Rockies: 1,200,256
Rafael Furcal, Cardinals: 1,183,096
Starlin Castro, Cubs: 738,771
Jimmy Rollins, Phillies: 684,754
Jose Reyes, Marlins: 662,199
CATCHER
Buster Posey, Giants: 1,713,839
Yadier Molina, Cardinals: 1,576,199
Carlos Ruiz, Phillies: 1,191,194
Brian McCann, Braves: 1,012,743
Jonathan Lucroy, Brewers: 588,710
OUTFIELD
Matt Kemp, Dodgers: 2,589,464
Carlos Beltran, Cardinals: 1,782,831
Ryan Braun, Brewers: 1,553,356
Melky Cabrera, Giants: 1,357,461
Andre Ethier, Dodgers: 1,142,312
Matt Holliday, Cardinals: 951,652
Hunter Pence, Phillies: 861,555
Michael Bourn, Braves: 768,049
Shane Victorino, Phillies: 733,310
Carlos Gonzalez, Rockies: 728,903
Andrew McCutchen, Pirates: 728,522
Angel Pagan, Giants: 722,820
Jason Heyward, Braves: 717,121
Jay Bruce, Reds: 655,098
Martin Prado, Braves: 560,943
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Beltre won his third Silver Slugger award at 3B last year, he is no slouch at the plate. Yes, Cabrera is a better hitter than Beltre, but the difference between their fielding is far greater than the difference between their hitting.I would have zero problem with Miggy being the 3B rep for the AL. All I am saying is that Beltre is very deserving, he is the reigning 3B Gold Glove and Silver Slugger.If there is a HUGE difference between Cabrera and Beltre in the field, then there is a HUGE difference between the two at the plate. Cabrera is the best righthanded hitter in baseball, Beltre is not in the top 20. Cabrera's OPS is more than 100 points higher than Beltre's (and is every year), easily ahead in all the number generating cats and doesn't have the home hitting advantage Beltre has. Not that facts ever got in your way, but saying there is a HUGE difference between the two in the field and then turning around and saying Cabrera's hitting numbers are just "slightly better" is hilarious.
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American League
* 1B - Fielder, Prince
* 2B - Cano, Robinson
* SS - Hardy, J.J.
* 3B - Cabrera, Miguel
* C - Wieters, Matt
* DH - Dunn, Adam
* OF - Granderson, Curtis
* OF - Hamilton, Josh
* OF - Jackson, Austin
* Write-in - N/A
National League
* 1B - Votto, Joey
* 2B - Uggla, Dan
* SS - Furcal, Rafael
* 3B - Wright, David
* C - Posey, Buster
* OF - Ethier, Andre
* OF - Kemp, Matt
* OF - McCutchen, Andrew
I screwed up and missed Beltran in the NL, oh well. AL OFers are worse than usual and I chose AJAX as my homer pick because I think had he not gotten hurt he'd be close to the top three anyway. I already had one White Sox player so Konerko gets no love but Fielder is a bigger star and Konerko will be nice off the bench in the 5th.
* 1B - Fielder, Prince
* 2B - Cano, Robinson
* SS - Hardy, J.J.
* 3B - Cabrera, Miguel
* C - Wieters, Matt
* DH - Dunn, Adam
* OF - Granderson, Curtis
* OF - Hamilton, Josh
* OF - Jackson, Austin
* Write-in - N/A
National League
* 1B - Votto, Joey
* 2B - Uggla, Dan
* SS - Furcal, Rafael
* 3B - Wright, David
* C - Posey, Buster
* OF - Ethier, Andre
* OF - Kemp, Matt
* OF - McCutchen, Andrew
I screwed up and missed Beltran in the NL, oh well. AL OFers are worse than usual and I chose AJAX as my homer pick because I think had he not gotten hurt he'd be close to the top three anyway. I already had one White Sox player so Konerko gets no love but Fielder is a bigger star and Konerko will be nice off the bench in the 5th.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Weiters over AJ? AJ has 100 points on him in OPS and actually hasn't been awful defensively this year. Wieters has thrown out more runners (13-8), but has 5 more errors (7-2)
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
And Adam Jones>>> Granderson>>>>>>>>>> AJAX (a couple less >>> if he didn't get hurt)
Doctor Detroit
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Wieters is the best defensive catcher in baseball IMO and handles a much younger and ####tier pitching staff with only nine wild pitches (I think half his passed balls should be WP also). Also AJ is .843 OPS and Wieters is .786. It's a popularity contest and Wieters is more popular with me.
Good call on Adam Jones, I only voted ten times so I'll use the last 15 putting Beltran and Jones in.
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Doctor Detroit
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Really dramatic use of the greater than signs, AJAX has a higher OPS than Jones and 80 points higher than Garnderson. Also AJAX is quite a bit better in CF than Granderson and the gap is growing each and every day (Granderson UZR is really bad). Grandy is awesome at those solo shots, that's the only thing he does better than AJAX these days.
ETA: Will still vote Grandy over AJAX though because of the PAs, otherwise not sure.
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June 18th American League update
FIRST BASE
Prince Fielder, Tigers: 1,946,045
Paul Konerko, White Sox: 1,680,793
Mark Teixeira, Yankees: 1,405,187
Mitch Moreland, Rangers: 1,202,724
Albert Pujols, Angels: 1,047,722
SECOND BASE
Ian Kinsler, Rangers: 2,580,306
Robinson Cano, Yankees: 2,565,046
Dustin Pedroia, Red Sox: 1,331,657
Jason Kipnis, Indians: 615,409
Robert Andino, Orioles: 554,717
THIRD BASE
Adrian Beltre, Rangers: 2,251,304
Miguel Cabrera, Tigers: 1,869,727
Evan Longoria, Rays: 1,442,308
Alex Rodriguez, Yankees: 1,312,968
Mike Moustakas, Royals: 651,403
SHORTSTOP
Derek Jeter, Yankees: 3,359,875
Elvis Andrus, Rangers: 2,008,678
J.J. Hardy, Orioles: 968,963
Asdrubal Cabrera, Indians: 789,069
Alcides Escobar, Royals: 584,547
CATCHER
Mike Napoli, Rangers: 2,239,047
Joe Mauer, Twins: 1,283,804
Matt Wieters, Orioles: 1,242,247
A.J. Pierzynski, White Sox: 1,048,603
Russell Martin, Yankees: 867,495
DESIGNATED HITTER
David Ortiz, Red Sox: 2,390,132
Michael Young, Rangers: 1,892,150
Raul Ibañez, Yankees: 1,080,421
Adam Dunn, White Sox: 979,447
Edwin Encarnación, Blue Jays: 830,341
OUTFIELD
Josh Hamilton, Rangers: 5,414,880
Curtis Granderson, Yankees: 2,818,535
Jose Bautista, Blue Jays: 1,996,940
Adam Jones, Orioles: 1,959,207
Nelson Cruz, Rangers: 1,944,487
David Murphy, Rangers: 1,229,190
Nick Swisher, Yankees: 1,177,500
Jeff Francoeur, Royals: 823,568
Brett Gardner, Yankees: 818,164
Ichiro Suzuki, Mariners: 795,665
B.J. Upton, Rays: 753,581
Austin Jackson, Tigers: 741,877
Nick Markakis, Orioles: 696,720
Jacoby Ellsbury, Red Sox: 631,899
Alex Gordon, Royals: 609,890
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FIRST BASE
Prince Fielder, Tigers: 1,946,045
Paul Konerko, White Sox: 1,680,793
Mark Teixeira, Yankees: 1,405,187
Mitch Moreland, Rangers: 1,202,724
Albert Pujols, Angels: 1,047,722
SECOND BASE
Ian Kinsler, Rangers: 2,580,306
Robinson Cano, Yankees: 2,565,046
Dustin Pedroia, Red Sox: 1,331,657
Jason Kipnis, Indians: 615,409
Robert Andino, Orioles: 554,717
THIRD BASE
Adrian Beltre, Rangers: 2,251,304
Miguel Cabrera, Tigers: 1,869,727
Evan Longoria, Rays: 1,442,308
Alex Rodriguez, Yankees: 1,312,968
Mike Moustakas, Royals: 651,403
SHORTSTOP
Derek Jeter, Yankees: 3,359,875
Elvis Andrus, Rangers: 2,008,678
J.J. Hardy, Orioles: 968,963
Asdrubal Cabrera, Indians: 789,069
Alcides Escobar, Royals: 584,547
CATCHER
Mike Napoli, Rangers: 2,239,047
Joe Mauer, Twins: 1,283,804
Matt Wieters, Orioles: 1,242,247
A.J. Pierzynski, White Sox: 1,048,603
Russell Martin, Yankees: 867,495
DESIGNATED HITTER
David Ortiz, Red Sox: 2,390,132
Michael Young, Rangers: 1,892,150
Raul Ibañez, Yankees: 1,080,421
Adam Dunn, White Sox: 979,447
Edwin Encarnación, Blue Jays: 830,341
OUTFIELD
Josh Hamilton, Rangers: 5,414,880
Curtis Granderson, Yankees: 2,818,535
Jose Bautista, Blue Jays: 1,996,940
Adam Jones, Orioles: 1,959,207
Nelson Cruz, Rangers: 1,944,487
David Murphy, Rangers: 1,229,190
Nick Swisher, Yankees: 1,177,500
Jeff Francoeur, Royals: 823,568
Brett Gardner, Yankees: 818,164
Ichiro Suzuki, Mariners: 795,665
B.J. Upton, Rays: 753,581
Austin Jackson, Tigers: 741,877
Nick Markakis, Orioles: 696,720
Jacoby Ellsbury, Red Sox: 631,899
Alex Gordon, Royals: 609,890
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Doctor Detroit
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Ranger fans voting like the Chinese for Yao Ming at this point. David Murphy?
Dunn and Ortiz have OPSs that are .300 points higher than Michael Young, ool.
Disco Stu
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Maybe this is a similar situation. With Yu on the Rangers, they suddenly have the support of Japan. It would be more obvious if pitchers were on the ballot, but I imagine they're still backing their new favorite team (sorry Ichiro).Wasn't Ichiro the leading vote-getter his rookie year?Ranger fans voting like the Chinese for Yao Ming at this point. David Murphy?
Dunn and Ortiz have OPSs that are .300 points higher than Michael Young, ool.
Doctor Detroit
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I actually thought about that also. Homer is a homer and voting for certain guys (like I did for AJAX) is expected. When you see David Murphy fifth in OF voting, you have to think something is up. Voters are "all vote" Rangers but I guess if you were gonna all vote one team, at least that one would have the most guys that actually deserved to be there.ETA: Kinsler, Andrus, Beltre and Hamilton go regardless. Japanese probably writing in Yu at DH.Maybe this is a similar situation. With Yu on the Rangers, they suddenly have the support of Japan. It would be more obvious if pitchers were on the ballot, but I imagine they're still backing their new favorite team (sorry Ichiro).Wasn't Ichiro the leading vote-getter his rookie year?Ranger fans voting like the Chinese for Yao Ming at this point. David Murphy?
Dunn and Ortiz have OPSs that are .300 points higher than Michael Young, ool.
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Smack Tripper
Footballguy
I can see I'm going to have to get out and vote for Cano. He belongs.
June 19th National League update
FIRST BASE
Joey Votto, Reds: 3,151,032
Freddie Freeman, Braves: 1,193,455
Lance Berkman, Cardinals: 1,159,418
Brandon Belt, Giants: 907,739
Ryan Howard, Phillies: 677,368
SECOND BASE
Dan Uggla, Braves: 2,054,920
Brandon Phillips, Reds: 1,272,389
Jose Altuve, Astros: 1,074,993
Omar Infante, Marlins: 901,970
Rickie Weeks, Brewers: 814,263
THIRD BASE
David Wright, Mets: 1,977,388
Pablo Sandoval, Giants: 1,612,497
Chipper Jones, Braves: 1,547,221
David Freese, Cardinals: 1,540,085
Placido Polanco, Phillies: 912,648
SHORTSTOP
Rafael Furcal, Cardinals: 1,741,360
Troy Tulowitzki, Rockies: 1,647,235
Starlin Castro, Cubs: 1,006,333
Jimmy Rollins, Phillies: 983,520
Brandon Crawford, Giants: 935,216
CATCHER
Buster Posey, Giants: 2,445,005
Yadier Molina, Cardinals: 2,291,567
Carlos Ruiz, Phillies: 1,756,018
Brian McCann, Braves: 1,471,797
Jonathan Lucroy, Brewers: 768,317
OUTFIELD
Matt Kemp, Dodgers: 3,322,009
Carlos Beltran, Cardinals: 2,652,980
Melky Cabrera, Giants: 2,144,107
Ryan Braun, Brewers: 2,118,925
Andre Ethier, Dodgers: 1,517,218
Matt Holliday, Cardinals: 1,374,004
Hunter Pence, Phillies: 1,234,428
Michael Bourn, Braves: 1,201,215
Angel Pagan, Giants: 1,158,500
Andrew McCutchen, Pirates: 1,151,403
Carlos Gonzalez, Rockies: 1,120,406
Jason Heyward, Braves: 1,049,769
Shane Victorino, Phillies: 1,039,970
Martin Prado, Braves: 893,995
Jay Bruce, Reds: 893,101
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FIRST BASE
Joey Votto, Reds: 3,151,032
Freddie Freeman, Braves: 1,193,455
Lance Berkman, Cardinals: 1,159,418
Brandon Belt, Giants: 907,739
Ryan Howard, Phillies: 677,368
SECOND BASE
Dan Uggla, Braves: 2,054,920
Brandon Phillips, Reds: 1,272,389
Jose Altuve, Astros: 1,074,993
Omar Infante, Marlins: 901,970
Rickie Weeks, Brewers: 814,263
THIRD BASE
David Wright, Mets: 1,977,388
Pablo Sandoval, Giants: 1,612,497
Chipper Jones, Braves: 1,547,221
David Freese, Cardinals: 1,540,085
Placido Polanco, Phillies: 912,648
SHORTSTOP
Rafael Furcal, Cardinals: 1,741,360
Troy Tulowitzki, Rockies: 1,647,235
Starlin Castro, Cubs: 1,006,333
Jimmy Rollins, Phillies: 983,520
Brandon Crawford, Giants: 935,216
CATCHER
Buster Posey, Giants: 2,445,005
Yadier Molina, Cardinals: 2,291,567
Carlos Ruiz, Phillies: 1,756,018
Brian McCann, Braves: 1,471,797
Jonathan Lucroy, Brewers: 768,317
OUTFIELD
Matt Kemp, Dodgers: 3,322,009
Carlos Beltran, Cardinals: 2,652,980
Melky Cabrera, Giants: 2,144,107
Ryan Braun, Brewers: 2,118,925
Andre Ethier, Dodgers: 1,517,218
Matt Holliday, Cardinals: 1,374,004
Hunter Pence, Phillies: 1,234,428
Michael Bourn, Braves: 1,201,215
Angel Pagan, Giants: 1,158,500
Andrew McCutchen, Pirates: 1,151,403
Carlos Gonzalez, Rockies: 1,120,406
Jason Heyward, Braves: 1,049,769
Shane Victorino, Phillies: 1,039,970
Martin Prado, Braves: 893,995
Jay Bruce, Reds: 893,101
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Doctor Detroit
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Kinsler and all the other Rangers should be leading at ever position, if you don't think so you're bitter.
Wow this fan base is sensitive. NEVER, EVER TALK BAD ABOUT DAVID MURPHY! HE'S THE BEST!
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Eephus
Footballguy
Half of the voters thought they were voting for Daniel Murphy
Disco Stu
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Dale Murphy coming out of retirement.To set aside the hyperbole for a second, the only disagreement was whether or not Beltre ahead of Cabrera was "crazy". No Ranger fans here are stumping for Murphy or Moreland (or even Cruz).
Bogart
Footballguy
You are ridiculous.
Doctor Detroit
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Well Cabrera only has "slightly better offensive numbers" so I don't see a problem there.Apparently Bogart has an issue with what I said, he was preventing himself from being pulled into a huge David Murphy debate with me.
I mean how is David Murphy being 5th in All Star voting not funny? Ctdub doesn't think it is I guess, everyone not voting Rangers is bitter.
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I kinda understand this is your shtick, but jumping from the Beltre-Cabrera debate to Murphy's all-star credentials is a stretch at best. And I assumed his "offsides" comment was regarding scrumptrulescent, not you.Well Cabrera only has "slightly better offensive numbers" so I don't see a problem there.Apparently Bogart has an issue with what I said, he was preventing himself from being pulled into a huge David Murphy debate with me.
Doctor Detroit
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Not sure, he made the comment yesterday.I kinda understand this is your shtick, but jumping from the Beltre-Cabrera debate to Murphy's all-star credentials is a stretch at best. And I assumed his "offsides" comment was regarding scrumptrulescent, not you.Well Cabrera only has "slightly better offensive numbers" so I don't see a problem there.Apparently Bogart has an issue with what I said, he was preventing himself from being pulled into a huge David Murphy debate with me.
Regardless no Rangers fan could possibly want Murphy, Moreland or Young (Cruz hasn't been good this year but having that guy pinch hit in the 8th doesn't sound bad) since you actually have one of the better shots of making it to the World Series. No one is bitter either, it's the All-Star game for Christ's sake. When you leave something to the fans it's always going to be interesting. Just as long as the best and most deserving players get to the game, no one should care who starts. It's a popularity contest. Maybe Red Sox fans are voting all Rangers to throw us off the scent.
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Now batting for the American League All-Stars, the third basemen on write-in ballots...YU.....................DARVISHHHHHHHH, DARVISHHHHHHHHHH! /crowdroarsasallocksuphomefieldinworldseries
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Time to block Japanese IP addresses. Let's get Rudnicki on this.
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Agreed. Though Young has had some All-Star game success. From a winning the game standpoint he wouldn't be a terrible second DH, but a couple other guys have better numbers.Honestly I'm surprised Napoli has avoided the microscope here.Not sure, he made the comment yesterday.I kinda understand this is your shtick, but jumping from the Beltre-Cabrera debate to Murphy's all-star credentials is a stretch at best. And I assumed his "offsides" comment was regarding scrumptrulescent, not you.Well Cabrera only has "slightly better offensive numbers" so I don't see a problem there.Apparently Bogart has an issue with what I said, he was preventing himself from being pulled into a huge David Murphy debate with me.
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Young no doubt has been good in the past but man he stinks this year, really about the only Ranger. Plus Dunn and Ortiz are just mashing the ball this year, just tremendous outputs even at the DH spot in this watered down, steroid free hitting environment. Napoli, yeah he's not what he was last year but catcher is a bit thin statistically. I voted Wieters because I love his defense and presence but AJP might be the best candidate but he's kinda hard to vote for I guess. But Napoli could get on one of those two week tears he loves and have 17 dingers by the 4th of July.Agreed. Though Young has had some All-Star game success. From a winning the game standpoint he wouldn't be a terrible second DH, but a couple other guys have better numbers.Honestly I'm surprised Napoli has avoided the microscope here.Not sure, he made the comment yesterday.I kinda understand this is your shtick, but jumping from the Beltre-Cabrera debate to Murphy's all-star credentials is a stretch at best. And I assumed his "offsides" comment was regarding scrumptrulescent, not you.Well Cabrera only has "slightly better offensive numbers" so I don't see a problem there.Apparently Bogart has an issue with what I said, he was preventing himself from being pulled into a huge David Murphy debate with me.
Cabrera does only have slightly better offensive numbers. Beltre actually had slightly higher BA, OPS and more HR until around the beginning of June. Don't be so obtuse.As far as Murphy being 5th in All Star voting, ya that's crazy... he is barely the 4th best OF on the Rangers. I'd much rather see Trout make the ASG with Hamilton, Jones, Jackson and Bautista.Well Cabrera only has "slightly better offensive numbers" so I don't see a problem there.Apparently Bogart has an issue with what I said, he was preventing himself from being pulled into a huge David Murphy debate with me.
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Footballguy
Doesn't seem to take much to pull you offsides.
Doctor Detroit
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Cabrera does only have slightly better offensive numbers. Beltre actually had slightly higher BA, OPS and more HR until around the beginning of June. Don't be so obtuse.As far as Murphy being 5th in All Star voting, ya that's crazy... he is barely the 4th best OF on the Rangers. I'd much rather see Trout make the ASG with Hamilton, Jones, Jackson and Bautista.Well Cabrera only has "slightly better offensive numbers" so I don't see a problem there.Apparently Bogart has an issue with what I said, he was preventing himself from being pulled into a huge David Murphy debate with me.
Beltre's recent hot streak has pumped his OPS+ to 122 so I guess you are feeling salty.
Doctor Detroit
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What recent hot streak? As I said Beltre had better numbers than Cabrera up until about the first of June. Beltre's BA, OPS has come down in June. Cabrera's OPS has gone up in June. The whole argument was whether or not Beltre was deserving of being the starting 3B over Cabrera, which a case can easily be made that he is.Cabrera does only have slightly better offensive numbers. Beltre actually had slightly higher BA, OPS and more HR until around the beginning of June. Don't be so obtuse.As far as Murphy being 5th in All Star voting, ya that's crazy... he is barely the 4th best OF on the Rangers. I'd much rather see Trout make the ASG with Hamilton, Jones, Jackson and Bautista.Well Cabrera only has "slightly better offensive numbers" so I don't see a problem there.Apparently Bogart has an issue with what I said, he was preventing himself from being pulled into a huge David Murphy debate with me.
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Of course the Moreland/Murphy votes are ridiculous. I've seen one Rangers fan in this entire thread even attempt to make a case that Beltre/Cabrera is at least a palpible discussion. No one is pounding their chests or even arguing the Murphy ranking The anti-Rangers rhetoric coming from you and Scrumt... makes you sound like scorned little junior high school girls. It's kids, drunk fans, elderly people and the Japaneese that are voting; not the BBWA.Well Cabrera only has "slightly better offensive numbers" so I don't see a problem there.Apparently Bogart has an issue with what I said, he was preventing himself from being pulled into a huge David Murphy debate with me.
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Footballguy
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Doctor Detroit
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Of course the Moreland/Murphy votes are ridiculous. I've seen one Rangers fan in this entire thread even attempt to make a case that Beltre/Cabrera is at least a palpible discussion. No one is pounding their chests or even arguing the Murphy ranking The anti-Rangers rhetoric coming from you and Scrumt... makes you sound like scorned little junior high school girls. It's kids, drunk fans, elderly people and the Japaneese that are voting; not the BBWA.Well Cabrera only has "slightly better offensive numbers" so I don't see a problem there.Apparently Bogart has an issue with what I said, he was preventing himself from being pulled into a huge David Murphy debate with me.
The Murphy stuff is shtick to illuminate my overall point and to attract the sensitive bees to the honey. I've done well here. 
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Doctor Detroit
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Over the past 14 days Beltre's OPS is more than 100 points higher than Cabrera's. If Cabrera and Beltre swapped parks I'm guessing Cabrera's OPS would be between 150 and 200 points higher than Beltre's (Cabrera's career OPS is 150 points higher than Beltre's). Career-wise they aren't close, Cabrera IS SUPERIOR to Beltre as a hitter in every way. Now, then and tomorrow. Oh...and according to defensive WAR at Beisbol reference Cabrera's is 0.1, Beltre's is 0.0. That doesn't seem to be a significant difference does it?What recent hot streak? As I said Beltre had better numbers than Cabrera up until about the first of June. Beltre's BA, OPS has come down in June. Cabrera's OPS has gone up in June. The whole argument was whether or not Beltre was deserving of being the starting 3B over Cabrera, which a case can easily be made that he is.Cabrera does only have slightly better offensive numbers. Beltre actually had slightly higher BA, OPS and more HR until around the beginning of June. Don't be so obtuse.As far as Murphy being 5th in All Star voting, ya that's crazy... he is barely the 4th best OF on the Rangers. I'd much rather see Trout make the ASG with Hamilton, Jones, Jackson and Bautista.Well Cabrera only has "slightly better offensive numbers" so I don't see a problem there.Apparently Bogart has an issue with what I said, he was preventing himself from being pulled into a huge David Murphy debate with me.
Career .277 /.329 /.470 /.799 322HRs/1158 RBI 8300 Plate Appearances
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Having an amazing year for sure.
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Player Pos Team AVG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB K OBP SLG OPSDavid Ortiz DH BOS .314 245 46 77 21 0 17 45 0 1 35 36 .397 .608 1.005Adam Dunn DH CHW .225 236 42 53 10 0 23 52 0 1 54 109 .369 .559 .928Edwin Encarnac DH TOR .283 251 40 71 13 0 20 48 6 1 24 49 .351 .574 .925Notorious T.R.E.
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Up to 24 errorless games at 1B too.'Doctor Detroit said:
Doctor Detroit
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'Doctor Detroit said:
Yes, you got me. Nowhere in here has any Ranger fan claimed that Beltre was a better hitter than Cabrera, we all know that Cabrera is the better hitter regardless of what statistics say. All I said was that Beltre's offensive numbers were only slightly lower than Cabrera's. Which they were/are. And Beltre is a GG 3B, which he is... multiple times. Funny that you like to like to hang your hat on Beltre's "hot streak" while completely ignoring it came on the heals of Cabrera going 8/19 with 3 doubles and 4 HR's and an unsustainable OPS of 1.6, and completely ignorning they have 250+ AB's to compare. As already mentioned, at the begining of June Beltre had a higher BA, OPS and more HR than Cabrera, a lot of these votes were already cast at that point, and yes the Rangers fans got out the vote and that is what is putting Beltre over the edge.How much whining can we expect from you when Scherzer is left off the ASG roster? Will that be a Japanese-Ranger conspiracy?'Doctor Detroit said:
It's just really hard for me to take you serious when you constantly throw out blow hard nuggets like this one. I'm still lol'ing that I thought that any of those 3 were better than Scherzer.
LarryAllen'sJockstrap
Footballguy
So your "shtick" is de-railing a possibly interesting and thoughtful topic by mocking some silly fan voting results in the hopes that you can illicit an inflammatory or argumentative response from the offending team's fanbase?I hope I can speak for others when I say we're all just sitting on pins and needles waiting for your next dastardly baseball web forum scheme or overtly ironic use or smileys.'Doctor Detroit said:Of course the Moreland/Murphy votes are ridiculous. I've seen one Rangers fan in this entire thread even attempt to make a case that Beltre/Cabrera is at least a palpible discussion. No one is pounding their chests or even arguing the Murphy ranking The anti-Rangers rhetoric coming from you and Scrumt... makes you sound like scorned little junior high school girls. It's kids, drunk fans, elderly people and the Japaneese that are voting; not the BBWA.Well Cabrera only has "slightly better offensive numbers" so I don't see a problem there.Apparently Bogart has an issue with what I said, he was preventing himself from being pulled into a huge David Murphy debate with me.
