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All-Star Vote Leaders... (1 Viewer)

Bandwagon Ranger fans are starting to piss me off. Beltre at 3B over Miggy.....stupid.
Really? Cabrera has slightly better offensive numbers than Beltere, but Beltre is a gold glove 3B. If I just need an at bat I'll take Cabrera over just about anyone in the AL or NL at any position. If I need someone to actually play 3B and give me 3+ AB's in a game I'll take Beltre.
Are all Ranger fans like you guys?
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Your post reads like a politicians. Miggy has "slightly" better offensive numbers. "Beltre is (was) a gold glove 3B." You play down Miggy's batting stats vs Beltre but then play up Beltre's past defensive numbers. We're talking about this year and Miggy's defense has been pretty good actually. Give him a little credit.
His offensive numbers are just slightly better. His defensuve numbers are not. Miggy's on pace to finish with a -17 UZR. There is a huge difference between the 2 defensively. Huge. If you want to rip on voters for David Murphy potentially being an all star, I'm with you. If you want to rip on them for having Cruz too high in the voting, I agree. If you want to rip on them for even putting Mitch Moreland on the ballot.... To get bent out of shape for Beltre having more votes than Cabrera is crazy. And let's not act like this is the first time asg voting has been out of whack. The entire asg is a joke from voting to every team having an all star to it deciding home field.
 
Should we really be pissed or even surprised at any All-Star voting at this point?

It was nothing but Yankees for ever. The Rangers have been the AL champs the last two years, had crazy attendance and a good start to the season. They are also the players at the front of mind for a lot of kids, those that really vote on these things. A young Bogart back in the day, when he couldn't vote in David Hulse and Scott Fletcher, would try to put in the player he wanted to see. Those were always the players that were on the Game of the Week or guys written about in SI or Sport. That is all this game is.

The fact that it decides homefield advantage for the WS is what makes me puke.

 
Bogart, please see my response to shadyridr's AL choices below. Thank you.

Here are my votes:

AL:

C- Mauer

1B- Konerko

2B- Kipnis

3B- Miggy

SS- Jeter

OF- Hamilton, Jones, Grandy

DH- Encarnacion
I think this is spot on except for maybe catcher. As much as I hate to say it Pierzynski is more deserving than Mauer based on his power numbers.As a Tiger fan I really like Prince, but Konerko should win it.
Sorry, I missed that. My deepest apologies.
Just another day of humble honesty from a Detroit Tiger fan.
 
Bandwagon Ranger fans are starting to piss me off. Beltre at 3B over Miggy.....stupid.
Really? Cabrera has slightly better offensive numbers than Beltere, but Beltre is a gold glove 3B. If I just need an at bat I'll take Cabrera over just about anyone in the AL or NL at any position. If I need someone to actually play 3B and give me 3+ AB's in a game I'll take Beltre.
Are all Ranger fans like you guys?
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Your post reads like a politicians. Miggy has "slightly" better offensive numbers. "Beltre is (was) a gold glove 3B." You play down Miggy's batting stats vs Beltre but then play up Beltre's past defensive numbers. We're talking about this year and Miggy's defense has been pretty good actually. Give him a little credit.
His offensive numbers are just slightly better. His defensuve numbers are not. Miggy's on pace to finish with a -17 UZR. There is a huge difference between the 2 defensively. Huge. If you want to rip on voters for David Murphy potentially being an all star, I'm with you. If you want to rip on them for having Cruz too high in the voting, I agree. If you want to rip on them for even putting Mitch Moreland on the ballot.... To get bent out of shape for Beltre having more votes than Cabrera is crazy. And let's not act like this is the first time asg voting has been out of whack. The entire asg is a joke from voting to every team having an all star to it deciding home field.
Is there a reason you choose to hang your hat on UZR and in the meantime ignore the fielding stats I've posted?
Beltre: 41 put outs. 58 assists. 5 errors. 6 DP's. .952 FP%Miggy: 49 put outs. 92 assists. 7 errors. 9 DP's. .953 FP%
I don't see some huge difference between the 2 defensively this year. Being completely honest, I'd guess there would be very few non-Ranger fans on this board who would choose Beltre over Cabrera for the All Star Game. What do you think?
 
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If we are going to complain about Beltre over Miggy, shouldn't we be just as pissed about Fielder over Konerko?

0.365/0.447/0.614 12 homers vs. 0.316/0.386/0.509 10 homers

Not to mention that Konerko's team is in first place and 5 games in front of Fielder's?
When has this ever factored into All Star voting? Konerko should be in because he has better stats, this is pretty much how it has always worked besides it being a huge popularity contest. I honestly have never heard an all-star argument based on where a guy's team is.

His offensive numbers are just slightly better. His defensuve numbers are not. Miggy's on pace to finish with a -17 UZR. There is a huge difference between the 2 defensively. Huge.
If there is a HUGE difference between Cabrera and Beltre in the field, then there is a HUGE difference between the two at the plate. Cabrera is the best righthanded hitter in baseball, Beltre is not in the top 20. Cabrera's OPS is more than 100 points higher than Beltre's (and is every year), easily ahead in all the number generating cats and doesn't have the home hitting advantage Beltre has. Not that facts ever got in your way, but saying there is a HUGE difference between the two in the field and then turning around and saying Cabrera's hitting numbers are just "slightly better" is hilarious. :bye:
 
If we are going to complain about Beltre over Miggy, shouldn't we be just as pissed about Fielder over Konerko?

0.365/0.447/0.614 12 homers vs. 0.316/0.386/0.509 10 homers

Not to mention that Konerko's team is in first place and 5 games in front of Fielder's?
When has this ever factored into All Star voting? Konerko should be in because he has better stats, this is pretty much how it has always worked besides it being a huge popularity contest. I honestly have never heard an all-star argument based on where a guy's team is.
Records are NEVER used in AS voting, I know that. Was just making a comment. Like I said earlier, it's a popularity contest. We all agree on that. Don't ##### at the people here, go ##### at the 8 yo who wants to see Jeter start the game yet again.
 
If we are going to complain about Beltre over Miggy, shouldn't we be just as pissed about Fielder over Konerko?

0.365/0.447/0.614 12 homers vs. 0.316/0.386/0.509 10 homers

Not to mention that Konerko's team is in first place and 5 games in front of Fielder's?
When has this ever factored into All Star voting? Konerko should be in because he has better stats, this is pretty much how it has always worked besides it being a huge popularity contest. I honestly have never heard an all-star argument based on where a guy's team is.
Records are NEVER used in AS voting, I know that. Was just making a comment. Like I said earlier, it's a popularity contest. We all agree on that. Don't ##### at the people here, go ##### at the 8 yo who wants to see Jeter start the game yet again.
I really could care less who starts. Just make sure that the best guys get the most PAs and it actually would be nice to have guys like Konerko and Cabrera coming in to the game to face all those one inning relievers the NL will start pitching in the 5th. It's not worth getting worked up about either but since this game now has so much impact because of the homefield advantage thing, the guys playing have to take it pretty seriously. I don't understand why they don't just pay the winning players X amount, and the losing players nothing as motivation. Then the game flows and is enjoyable for everyone and doesn't affect something it has no business impacting.
 
June 12th National League update

FIRST BASE

Joey Votto, Reds: 2,108,725

Lance Berkman, Cardinals: 851,373

Freddie Freeman, Braves: 828,759

Brandon Belt, Giants: 563,708

Bryan LaHair, Cubs: 514,809

SECOND BASE

Dan Uggla, Braves: 1,341,088

Brandon Phillips, Reds: 885,250

Omar Infante, Marlins: 737,715

Jose Altuve, Astros: 700,640

Rickie Weeks, Brewers: 642,184

THIRD BASE

David Wright, Mets: 1,358,992

Pablo Sandoval, Giants: 1,103,650

David Freese, Cardinals: 1,095,206

Chipper Jones, Braves: 1,054,586

Placido Polanco, Phillies: 635,782

SHORTSTOP

Troy Tulowitzki, Rockies: 1,200,256

Rafael Furcal, Cardinals: 1,183,096

Starlin Castro, Cubs: 738,771

Jimmy Rollins, Phillies: 684,754

Jose Reyes, Marlins: 662,199

CATCHER

Buster Posey, Giants: 1,713,839

Yadier Molina, Cardinals: 1,576,199

Carlos Ruiz, Phillies: 1,191,194

Brian McCann, Braves: 1,012,743

Jonathan Lucroy, Brewers: 588,710

OUTFIELD

Matt Kemp, Dodgers: 2,589,464

Carlos Beltran, Cardinals: 1,782,831

Ryan Braun, Brewers: 1,553,356

Melky Cabrera, Giants: 1,357,461

Andre Ethier, Dodgers: 1,142,312

Matt Holliday, Cardinals: 951,652

Hunter Pence, Phillies: 861,555

Michael Bourn, Braves: 768,049

Shane Victorino, Phillies: 733,310

Carlos Gonzalez, Rockies: 728,903

Andrew McCutchen, Pirates: 728,522

Angel Pagan, Giants: 722,820

Jason Heyward, Braves: 717,121

Jay Bruce, Reds: 655,098

Martin Prado, Braves: 560,943

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His offensive numbers are just slightly better. His defensuve numbers are not. Miggy's on pace to finish with a -17 UZR. There is a huge difference between the 2 defensively. Huge.
If there is a HUGE difference between Cabrera and Beltre in the field, then there is a HUGE difference between the two at the plate. Cabrera is the best righthanded hitter in baseball, Beltre is not in the top 20. Cabrera's OPS is more than 100 points higher than Beltre's (and is every year), easily ahead in all the number generating cats and doesn't have the home hitting advantage Beltre has. Not that facts ever got in your way, but saying there is a HUGE difference between the two in the field and then turning around and saying Cabrera's hitting numbers are just "slightly better" is hilarious. :bye:
Beltre won his third Silver Slugger award at 3B last year, he is no slouch at the plate. Yes, Cabrera is a better hitter than Beltre, but the difference between their fielding is far greater than the difference between their hitting.I would have zero problem with Miggy being the 3B rep for the AL. All I am saying is that Beltre is very deserving, he is the reigning 3B Gold Glove and Silver Slugger.
 
American League

* 1B - Fielder, Prince

* 2B - Cano, Robinson

* SS - Hardy, J.J.

* 3B - Cabrera, Miguel

* C - Wieters, Matt

* DH - Dunn, Adam

* OF - Granderson, Curtis

* OF - Hamilton, Josh

* OF - Jackson, Austin

* Write-in - N/A

National League

* 1B - Votto, Joey

* 2B - Uggla, Dan

* SS - Furcal, Rafael

* 3B - Wright, David

* C - Posey, Buster

* OF - Ethier, Andre

* OF - Kemp, Matt

* OF - McCutchen, Andrew

I screwed up and missed Beltran in the NL, oh well. AL OFers are worse than usual and I chose AJAX as my homer pick because I think had he not gotten hurt he'd be close to the top three anyway. I already had one White Sox player so Konerko gets no love but Fielder is a bigger star and Konerko will be nice off the bench in the 5th.

 
American League * 1B - Fielder, Prince * 2B - Cano, Robinson * SS - Hardy, J.J. * 3B - Cabrera, Miguel * C - Wieters, Matt * DH - Dunn, Adam * OF - Granderson, Curtis * OF - Hamilton, Josh * OF - Jackson, Austin * Write-in - N/ANational League * 1B - Votto, Joey * 2B - Uggla, Dan * SS - Furcal, Rafael * 3B - Wright, David * C - Posey, Buster * OF - Ethier, Andre * OF - Kemp, Matt * OF - McCutchen, AndrewI screwed up and missed Beltran in the NL, oh well. AL OFers are worse than usual and I chose AJAX as my homer pick because I think had he not gotten hurt he'd be close to the top three anyway. I already had one White Sox player so Konerko gets no love but Fielder is a bigger star and Konerko will be nice off the bench in the 5th.
Weiters over AJ? AJ has 100 points on him in OPS and actually hasn't been awful defensively this year. Wieters has thrown out more runners (13-8), but has 5 more errors (7-2)
 
And Adam Jones>>> Granderson>>>>>>>>>> AJAX (a couple less >>> if he didn't get hurt)

 
American League * 1B - Fielder, Prince * 2B - Cano, Robinson * SS - Hardy, J.J. * 3B - Cabrera, Miguel * C - Wieters, Matt * DH - Dunn, Adam * OF - Granderson, Curtis * OF - Hamilton, Josh * OF - Jackson, Austin * Write-in - N/ANational League * 1B - Votto, Joey * 2B - Uggla, Dan * SS - Furcal, Rafael * 3B - Wright, David * C - Posey, Buster * OF - Ethier, Andre * OF - Kemp, Matt * OF - McCutchen, AndrewI screwed up and missed Beltran in the NL, oh well. AL OFers are worse than usual and I chose AJAX as my homer pick because I think had he not gotten hurt he'd be close to the top three anyway. I already had one White Sox player so Konerko gets no love but Fielder is a bigger star and Konerko will be nice off the bench in the 5th.
Weiters over AJ? AJ has 100 points on him in OPS and actually hasn't been awful defensively this year. Wieters has thrown out more runners (13-8), but has 5 more errors (7-2)
Wieters is the best defensive catcher in baseball IMO and handles a much younger and ####tier pitching staff with only nine wild pitches (I think half his passed balls should be WP also). Also AJ is .843 OPS and Wieters is .786. It's a popularity contest and Wieters is more popular with me. :)Good call on Adam Jones, I only voted ten times so I'll use the last 15 putting Beltran and Jones in.
 
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And Adam Jones>>> Granderson>>>>>>>>>> AJAX (a couple less >>> if he didn't get hurt)
Really dramatic use of the greater than signs, AJAX has a higher OPS than Jones and 80 points higher than Garnderson. Also AJAX is quite a bit better in CF than Granderson and the gap is growing each and every day (Granderson UZR is really bad). Grandy is awesome at those solo shots, that's the only thing he does better than AJAX these days. :shrug:ETA: Will still vote Grandy over AJAX though because of the PAs, otherwise not sure.
 
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Tony LaRussa is managing the NL team? in a game thats supposed to mean home field advantage, dont you think its a little dumb theyre having a retired manager manage the game?

 
June 18th American League update

FIRST BASE

Prince Fielder, Tigers: 1,946,045

Paul Konerko, White Sox: 1,680,793

Mark Teixeira, Yankees: 1,405,187

Mitch Moreland, Rangers: 1,202,724

Albert Pujols, Angels: 1,047,722

SECOND BASE

Ian Kinsler, Rangers: 2,580,306

Robinson Cano, Yankees: 2,565,046

Dustin Pedroia, Red Sox: 1,331,657

Jason Kipnis, Indians: 615,409

Robert Andino, Orioles: 554,717

THIRD BASE

Adrian Beltre, Rangers: 2,251,304

Miguel Cabrera, Tigers: 1,869,727

Evan Longoria, Rays: 1,442,308

Alex Rodriguez, Yankees: 1,312,968

Mike Moustakas, Royals: 651,403

SHORTSTOP

Derek Jeter, Yankees: 3,359,875

Elvis Andrus, Rangers: 2,008,678

J.J. Hardy, Orioles: 968,963

Asdrubal Cabrera, Indians: 789,069

Alcides Escobar, Royals: 584,547

CATCHER

Mike Napoli, Rangers: 2,239,047

Joe Mauer, Twins: 1,283,804

Matt Wieters, Orioles: 1,242,247

A.J. Pierzynski, White Sox: 1,048,603

Russell Martin, Yankees: 867,495

DESIGNATED HITTER

David Ortiz, Red Sox: 2,390,132

Michael Young, Rangers: 1,892,150

Raul Ibañez, Yankees: 1,080,421

Adam Dunn, White Sox: 979,447

Edwin Encarnación, Blue Jays: 830,341

OUTFIELD

Josh Hamilton, Rangers: 5,414,880

Curtis Granderson, Yankees: 2,818,535

Jose Bautista, Blue Jays: 1,996,940

Adam Jones, Orioles: 1,959,207

Nelson Cruz, Rangers: 1,944,487

David Murphy, Rangers: 1,229,190

Nick Swisher, Yankees: 1,177,500

Jeff Francoeur, Royals: 823,568

Brett Gardner, Yankees: 818,164

Ichiro Suzuki, Mariners: 795,665

B.J. Upton, Rays: 753,581

Austin Jackson, Tigers: 741,877

Nick Markakis, Orioles: 696,720

Jacoby Ellsbury, Red Sox: 631,899

Alex Gordon, Royals: 609,890

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David Ortiz, Red Sox: 2,390,132Michael Young, Rangers: 1,892,150Raul Ibañez, Yankees: 1,080,421Adam Dunn, White Sox: 979,447
Josh Hamilton, Rangers: 5,414,880Curtis Granderson, Yankees: 2,818,535Jose Bautista, Blue Jays: 1,996,940Adam Jones, Orioles: 1,959,207Nelson Cruz, Rangers: 1,944,487David Murphy, Rangers: 1,229,190
Ranger fans voting like the Chinese for Yao Ming at this point. David Murphy? :lmao: Dunn and Ortiz have OPSs that are .300 points higher than Michael Young, ool.
 
Ranger fans voting like the Chinese for Yao Ming at this point. David Murphy? :lmao:

Dunn and Ortiz have OPSs that are .300 points higher than Michael Young, ool.
Maybe this is a similar situation. With Yu on the Rangers, they suddenly have the support of Japan. It would be more obvious if pitchers were on the ballot, but I imagine they're still backing their new favorite team (sorry Ichiro).Wasn't Ichiro the leading vote-getter his rookie year?

 
Ranger fans voting like the Chinese for Yao Ming at this point. David Murphy? :lmao:

Dunn and Ortiz have OPSs that are .300 points higher than Michael Young, ool.
Maybe this is a similar situation. With Yu on the Rangers, they suddenly have the support of Japan. It would be more obvious if pitchers were on the ballot, but I imagine they're still backing their new favorite team (sorry Ichiro).Wasn't Ichiro the leading vote-getter his rookie year?
I actually thought about that also. Homer is a homer and voting for certain guys (like I did for AJAX) is expected. When you see David Murphy fifth in OF voting, you have to think something is up. Voters are "all vote" Rangers but I guess if you were gonna all vote one team, at least that one would have the most guys that actually deserved to be there.ETA: Kinsler, Andrus, Beltre and Hamilton go regardless. Japanese probably writing in Yu at DH.

 
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June 19th National League update

FIRST BASE

Joey Votto, Reds: 3,151,032

Freddie Freeman, Braves: 1,193,455

Lance Berkman, Cardinals: 1,159,418

Brandon Belt, Giants: 907,739

Ryan Howard, Phillies: 677,368

SECOND BASE

Dan Uggla, Braves: 2,054,920

Brandon Phillips, Reds: 1,272,389

Jose Altuve, Astros: 1,074,993

Omar Infante, Marlins: 901,970

Rickie Weeks, Brewers: 814,263

THIRD BASE

David Wright, Mets: 1,977,388

Pablo Sandoval, Giants: 1,612,497

Chipper Jones, Braves: 1,547,221

David Freese, Cardinals: 1,540,085

Placido Polanco, Phillies: 912,648

SHORTSTOP

Rafael Furcal, Cardinals: 1,741,360

Troy Tulowitzki, Rockies: 1,647,235

Starlin Castro, Cubs: 1,006,333

Jimmy Rollins, Phillies: 983,520

Brandon Crawford, Giants: 935,216

CATCHER

Buster Posey, Giants: 2,445,005

Yadier Molina, Cardinals: 2,291,567

Carlos Ruiz, Phillies: 1,756,018

Brian McCann, Braves: 1,471,797

Jonathan Lucroy, Brewers: 768,317

OUTFIELD

Matt Kemp, Dodgers: 3,322,009

Carlos Beltran, Cardinals: 2,652,980

Melky Cabrera, Giants: 2,144,107

Ryan Braun, Brewers: 2,118,925

Andre Ethier, Dodgers: 1,517,218

Matt Holliday, Cardinals: 1,374,004

Hunter Pence, Phillies: 1,234,428

Michael Bourn, Braves: 1,201,215

Angel Pagan, Giants: 1,158,500

Andrew McCutchen, Pirates: 1,151,403

Carlos Gonzalez, Rockies: 1,120,406

Jason Heyward, Braves: 1,049,769

Shane Victorino, Phillies: 1,039,970

Martin Prado, Braves: 893,995

Jay Bruce, Reds: 893,101

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I can see I'm going to have to get out and vote for Cano. He belongs.
Kinsler and all the other Rangers should be leading at ever position, if you don't think so you're bitter.
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A little bitterness over there.
Wow this fan base is sensitive. NEVER, EVER TALK BAD ABOUT DAVID MURPHY! HE'S THE BEST!
 
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I can see I'm going to have to get out and vote for Cano. He belongs.
Kinsler and all the other Rangers should be leading at ever position, if you don't think so you're bitter.
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A little bitterness over there.
Wow this fan base is sensitive. NEVER, EVER TALK BAD ABOUT DAVID MURPHY! HE'S THE BEST!
Half of the voters thought they were voting for Daniel Murphy
 
I can see I'm going to have to get out and vote for Cano. He belongs.
Kinsler and all the other Rangers should be leading at ever position, if you don't think so you're bitter.
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A little bitterness over there.
Wow this fan base is sensitive. NEVER, EVER TALK BAD ABOUT DAVID MURPHY! HE'S THE BEST!
Half of the voters thought they were voting for Daniel Murphy
Dale Murphy coming out of retirement.To set aside the hyperbole for a second, the only disagreement was whether or not Beltre ahead of Cabrera was "crazy". No Ranger fans here are stumping for Murphy or Moreland (or even Cruz).
 
I can see I'm going to have to get out and vote for Cano. He belongs.
Kinsler and all the other Rangers should be leading at ever position, if you don't think so you're bitter.
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A little bitterness over there.
Wow this fan base is sensitive. NEVER, EVER TALK BAD ABOUT DAVID MURPHY! HE'S THE BEST!
You are ridiculous.
 
I can see I'm going to have to get out and vote for Cano. He belongs.
Kinsler and all the other Rangers should be leading at ever position, if you don't think so you're bitter.
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A little bitterness over there.
Wow this fan base is sensitive. NEVER, EVER TALK BAD ABOUT DAVID MURPHY! HE'S THE BEST!
Half of the voters thought they were voting for Daniel Murphy
Dale Murphy coming out of retirement.To set aside the hyperbole for a second, the only disagreement was whether or not Beltre ahead of Cabrera was "crazy". No Ranger fans here are stumping for Murphy or Moreland (or even Cruz).
Well Cabrera only has "slightly better offensive numbers" so I don't see a problem there.Apparently Bogart has an issue with what I said, he was preventing himself from being pulled into a huge David Murphy debate with me. :mellow: I mean how is David Murphy being 5th in All Star voting not funny? Ctdub doesn't think it is I guess, everyone not voting Rangers is bitter. :lmao:
 
I can see I'm going to have to get out and vote for Cano. He belongs.
Kinsler and all the other Rangers should be leading at ever position, if you don't think so you're bitter.
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A little bitterness over there.
Wow this fan base is sensitive. NEVER, EVER TALK BAD ABOUT DAVID MURPHY! HE'S THE BEST!
Half of the voters thought they were voting for Daniel Murphy
Dale Murphy coming out of retirement.To set aside the hyperbole for a second, the only disagreement was whether or not Beltre ahead of Cabrera was "crazy". No Ranger fans here are stumping for Murphy or Moreland (or even Cruz).
Well Cabrera only has "slightly better offensive numbers" so I don't see a problem there.Apparently Bogart has an issue with what I said, he was preventing himself from being pulled into a huge David Murphy debate with me. :mellow: I mean how is David Murphy being 5th in All Star voting not funny? Ctdub doesn't think it is I guess, everyone not voting Rangers is bitter. :lmao:
I kinda understand this is your shtick, but jumping from the Beltre-Cabrera debate to Murphy's all-star credentials is a stretch at best. And I assumed his "offsides" comment was regarding scrumptrulescent, not you. :shrug:
 
I can see I'm going to have to get out and vote for Cano. He belongs.
Kinsler and all the other Rangers should be leading at ever position, if you don't think so you're bitter.
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A little bitterness over there.
Wow this fan base is sensitive. NEVER, EVER TALK BAD ABOUT DAVID MURPHY! HE'S THE BEST!
Half of the voters thought they were voting for Daniel Murphy
Dale Murphy coming out of retirement.To set aside the hyperbole for a second, the only disagreement was whether or not Beltre ahead of Cabrera was "crazy". No Ranger fans here are stumping for Murphy or Moreland (or even Cruz).
Well Cabrera only has "slightly better offensive numbers" so I don't see a problem there.Apparently Bogart has an issue with what I said, he was preventing himself from being pulled into a huge David Murphy debate with me. :mellow: I mean how is David Murphy being 5th in All Star voting not funny? Ctdub doesn't think it is I guess, everyone not voting Rangers is bitter. :lmao:
I kinda understand this is your shtick, but jumping from the Beltre-Cabrera debate to Murphy's all-star credentials is a stretch at best. And I assumed his "offsides" comment was regarding scrumptrulescent, not you. :shrug:
Not sure, he made the comment yesterday. :shrug:Regardless no Rangers fan could possibly want Murphy, Moreland or Young (Cruz hasn't been good this year but having that guy pinch hit in the 8th doesn't sound bad) since you actually have one of the better shots of making it to the World Series. No one is bitter either, it's the All-Star game for Christ's sake. When you leave something to the fans it's always going to be interesting. Just as long as the best and most deserving players get to the game, no one should care who starts. It's a popularity contest. Maybe Red Sox fans are voting all Rangers to throw us off the scent.
 
Now batting for the American League All-Stars, the third basemen on write-in ballots...YU.....................DARVISHHHHHHHH, DARVISHHHHHHHHHH! /crowdroarsasallocksuphomefieldinworldseries

 
To set aside the hyperbole for a second, the only disagreement was whether or not Beltre ahead of Cabrera was "crazy". No Ranger fans here are stumping for Murphy or Moreland (or even Cruz).
Well Cabrera only has "slightly better offensive numbers" so I don't see a problem there.Apparently Bogart has an issue with what I said, he was preventing himself from being pulled into a huge David Murphy debate with me. :mellow: I mean how is David Murphy being 5th in All Star voting not funny? Ctdub doesn't think it is I guess, everyone not voting Rangers is bitter. :lmao:
I kinda understand this is your shtick, but jumping from the Beltre-Cabrera debate to Murphy's all-star credentials is a stretch at best. And I assumed his "offsides" comment was regarding scrumptrulescent, not you. :shrug:
Not sure, he made the comment yesterday. :shrug:Regardless no Rangers fan could possibly want Murphy, Moreland or Young (Cruz hasn't been good this year but having that guy pinch hit in the 8th doesn't sound bad) since you actually have one of the better shots of making it to the World Series. No one is bitter either, it's the All-Star game for Christ's sake. When you leave something to the fans it's always going to be interesting. Just as long as the best and most deserving players get to the game, no one should care who starts. It's a popularity contest. Maybe Red Sox fans are voting all Rangers to throw us off the scent.
Agreed. Though Young has had some All-Star game success. From a winning the game standpoint he wouldn't be a terrible second DH, but a couple other guys have better numbers.Honestly I'm surprised Napoli has avoided the microscope here.
 
To set aside the hyperbole for a second, the only disagreement was whether or not Beltre ahead of Cabrera was "crazy". No Ranger fans here are stumping for Murphy or Moreland (or even Cruz).
Well Cabrera only has "slightly better offensive numbers" so I don't see a problem there.Apparently Bogart has an issue with what I said, he was preventing himself from being pulled into a huge David Murphy debate with me. :mellow: I mean how is David Murphy being 5th in All Star voting not funny? Ctdub doesn't think it is I guess, everyone not voting Rangers is bitter. :lmao:
I kinda understand this is your shtick, but jumping from the Beltre-Cabrera debate to Murphy's all-star credentials is a stretch at best. And I assumed his "offsides" comment was regarding scrumptrulescent, not you. :shrug:
Not sure, he made the comment yesterday. :shrug:Regardless no Rangers fan could possibly want Murphy, Moreland or Young (Cruz hasn't been good this year but having that guy pinch hit in the 8th doesn't sound bad) since you actually have one of the better shots of making it to the World Series. No one is bitter either, it's the All-Star game for Christ's sake. When you leave something to the fans it's always going to be interesting. Just as long as the best and most deserving players get to the game, no one should care who starts. It's a popularity contest. Maybe Red Sox fans are voting all Rangers to throw us off the scent.
Agreed. Though Young has had some All-Star game success. From a winning the game standpoint he wouldn't be a terrible second DH, but a couple other guys have better numbers.Honestly I'm surprised Napoli has avoided the microscope here.
Young no doubt has been good in the past but man he stinks this year, really about the only Ranger. Plus Dunn and Ortiz are just mashing the ball this year, just tremendous outputs even at the DH spot in this watered down, steroid free hitting environment. Napoli, yeah he's not what he was last year but catcher is a bit thin statistically. I voted Wieters because I love his defense and presence but AJP might be the best candidate but he's kinda hard to vote for I guess. But Napoli could get on one of those two week tears he loves and have 17 dingers by the 4th of July.
 
I can see I'm going to have to get out and vote for Cano. He belongs.
Kinsler and all the other Rangers should be leading at ever position, if you don't think so you're bitter.
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A little bitterness over there.
Wow this fan base is sensitive. NEVER, EVER TALK BAD ABOUT DAVID MURPHY! HE'S THE BEST!
Half of the voters thought they were voting for Daniel Murphy
Dale Murphy coming out of retirement.To set aside the hyperbole for a second, the only disagreement was whether or not Beltre ahead of Cabrera was "crazy". No Ranger fans here are stumping for Murphy or Moreland (or even Cruz).
Well Cabrera only has "slightly better offensive numbers" so I don't see a problem there.Apparently Bogart has an issue with what I said, he was preventing himself from being pulled into a huge David Murphy debate with me. :mellow: I mean how is David Murphy being 5th in All Star voting not funny? Ctdub doesn't think it is I guess, everyone not voting Rangers is bitter. :lmao:
Cabrera does only have slightly better offensive numbers. Beltre actually had slightly higher BA, OPS and more HR until around the beginning of June. Don't be so obtuse.As far as Murphy being 5th in All Star voting, ya that's crazy... he is barely the 4th best OF on the Rangers. I'd much rather see Trout make the ASG with Hamilton, Jones, Jackson and Bautista.
 
I can see I'm going to have to get out and vote for Cano. He belongs.
Kinsler and all the other Rangers should be leading at ever position, if you don't think so you're bitter.
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A little bitterness over there.
Wow this fan base is sensitive. NEVER, EVER TALK BAD ABOUT DAVID MURPHY! HE'S THE BEST!
You are ridiculous.
Doesn't seem to take much to pull you offsides.
 
I can see I'm going to have to get out and vote for Cano. He belongs.
Kinsler and all the other Rangers should be leading at ever position, if you don't think so you're bitter.
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A little bitterness over there.
Wow this fan base is sensitive. NEVER, EVER TALK BAD ABOUT DAVID MURPHY! HE'S THE BEST!
Half of the voters thought they were voting for Daniel Murphy
Dale Murphy coming out of retirement.To set aside the hyperbole for a second, the only disagreement was whether or not Beltre ahead of Cabrera was "crazy". No Ranger fans here are stumping for Murphy or Moreland (or even Cruz).
Well Cabrera only has "slightly better offensive numbers" so I don't see a problem there.Apparently Bogart has an issue with what I said, he was preventing himself from being pulled into a huge David Murphy debate with me. :mellow: I mean how is David Murphy being 5th in All Star voting not funny? Ctdub doesn't think it is I guess, everyone not voting Rangers is bitter. :lmao:
Cabrera does only have slightly better offensive numbers. Beltre actually had slightly higher BA, OPS and more HR until around the beginning of June. Don't be so obtuse.As far as Murphy being 5th in All Star voting, ya that's crazy... he is barely the 4th best OF on the Rangers. I'd much rather see Trout make the ASG with Hamilton, Jones, Jackson and Bautista.
:potkettle: Beltre's recent hot streak has pumped his OPS+ to 122 so I guess you are feeling salty.

His offensive numbers are just slightly better.
Slightly better? You are insane. Cabrera has him crushed in every single categoryJust a quick sampling.

OPS+ 149 to 111

WAR 2.0 to 1.1

RC/G 7 to 5.7
 
I can see I'm going to have to get out and vote for Cano. He belongs.
Kinsler and all the other Rangers should be leading at ever position, if you don't think so you're bitter.
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A little bitterness over there.
Wow this fan base is sensitive. NEVER, EVER TALK BAD ABOUT DAVID MURPHY! HE'S THE BEST!
You are ridiculous.
Doesn't seem to take much to pull you offsides.
:penalty:
 
I can see I'm going to have to get out and vote for Cano. He belongs.
Kinsler and all the other Rangers should be leading at ever position, if you don't think so you're bitter.
I will not get pulled offsides in the All Star thread.

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A little bitterness over there.
Wow this fan base is sensitive. NEVER, EVER TALK BAD ABOUT DAVID MURPHY! HE'S THE BEST!
Half of the voters thought they were voting for Daniel Murphy
Dale Murphy coming out of retirement.To set aside the hyperbole for a second, the only disagreement was whether or not Beltre ahead of Cabrera was "crazy". No Ranger fans here are stumping for Murphy or Moreland (or even Cruz).
Well Cabrera only has "slightly better offensive numbers" so I don't see a problem there.Apparently Bogart has an issue with what I said, he was preventing himself from being pulled into a huge David Murphy debate with me. :mellow: I mean how is David Murphy being 5th in All Star voting not funny? Ctdub doesn't think it is I guess, everyone not voting Rangers is bitter. :lmao:
Cabrera does only have slightly better offensive numbers. Beltre actually had slightly higher BA, OPS and more HR until around the beginning of June. Don't be so obtuse.As far as Murphy being 5th in All Star voting, ya that's crazy... he is barely the 4th best OF on the Rangers. I'd much rather see Trout make the ASG with Hamilton, Jones, Jackson and Bautista.
:potkettle: Beltre's recent hot streak has pumped his OPS+ to 122 so I guess you are feeling salty.
What recent hot streak? As I said Beltre had better numbers than Cabrera up until about the first of June. Beltre's BA, OPS has come down in June. Cabrera's OPS has gone up in June. The whole argument was whether or not Beltre was deserving of being the starting 3B over Cabrera, which a case can easily be made that he is.
 
Kinsler and all the other Rangers should be leading at ever position, if you don't think so you're bitter.
Well Cabrera only has "slightly better offensive numbers" so I don't see a problem there.Apparently Bogart has an issue with what I said, he was preventing himself from being pulled into a huge David Murphy debate with me. :mellow: I mean how is David Murphy being 5th in All Star voting not funny? Ctdub doesn't think it is I guess, everyone not voting Rangers is bitter. :lmao:
Of course the Moreland/Murphy votes are ridiculous. I've seen one Rangers fan in this entire thread even attempt to make a case that Beltre/Cabrera is at least a palpible discussion. No one is pounding their chests or even arguing the Murphy ranking The anti-Rangers rhetoric coming from you and Scrumt... makes you sound like scorned little junior high school girls. It's kids, drunk fans, elderly people and the Japaneese that are voting; not the BBWA.
 
Of course the Moreland/Murphy votes are ridiculous. I've seen one Rangers fan in this entire thread even attempt to make a case that Beltre/Cabrera is at least a palpible discussion. No one is pounding their chests or even arguing the Murphy ranking The anti-Rangers rhetoric coming from you and Scrumt... makes you sound like scorned little junior high school girls. It's kids, drunk fans, elderly people and the Japaneese that are voting; not the BBWA.
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Kinsler and all the other Rangers should be leading at ever position, if you don't think so you're bitter.
Well Cabrera only has "slightly better offensive numbers" so I don't see a problem there.Apparently Bogart has an issue with what I said, he was preventing himself from being pulled into a huge David Murphy debate with me. :mellow: I mean how is David Murphy being 5th in All Star voting not funny? Ctdub doesn't think it is I guess, everyone not voting Rangers is bitter. :lmao:
Of course the Moreland/Murphy votes are ridiculous. I've seen one Rangers fan in this entire thread even attempt to make a case that Beltre/Cabrera is at least a palpible discussion. No one is pounding their chests or even arguing the Murphy ranking The anti-Rangers rhetoric coming from you and Scrumt... makes you sound like scorned little junior high school girls. It's kids, drunk fans, elderly people and the Japaneese that are voting; not the BBWA.
:lmao:The Murphy stuff is shtick to illuminate my overall point and to attract the sensitive bees to the honey. I've done well here. :thumbup:
 
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I can see I'm going to have to get out and vote for Cano. He belongs.
Kinsler and all the other Rangers should be leading at ever position, if you don't think so you're bitter.
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A little bitterness over there.
Wow this fan base is sensitive. NEVER, EVER TALK BAD ABOUT DAVID MURPHY! HE'S THE BEST!
Half of the voters thought they were voting for Daniel Murphy
Dale Murphy coming out of retirement.To set aside the hyperbole for a second, the only disagreement was whether or not Beltre ahead of Cabrera was "crazy". No Ranger fans here are stumping for Murphy or Moreland (or even Cruz).
Well Cabrera only has "slightly better offensive numbers" so I don't see a problem there.Apparently Bogart has an issue with what I said, he was preventing himself from being pulled into a huge David Murphy debate with me. :mellow: I mean how is David Murphy being 5th in All Star voting not funny? Ctdub doesn't think it is I guess, everyone not voting Rangers is bitter. :lmao:
Cabrera does only have slightly better offensive numbers. Beltre actually had slightly higher BA, OPS and more HR until around the beginning of June. Don't be so obtuse.As far as Murphy being 5th in All Star voting, ya that's crazy... he is barely the 4th best OF on the Rangers. I'd much rather see Trout make the ASG with Hamilton, Jones, Jackson and Bautista.
:potkettle: Beltre's recent hot streak has pumped his OPS+ to 122 so I guess you are feeling salty.
What recent hot streak? As I said Beltre had better numbers than Cabrera up until about the first of June. Beltre's BA, OPS has come down in June. Cabrera's OPS has gone up in June. The whole argument was whether or not Beltre was deserving of being the starting 3B over Cabrera, which a case can easily be made that he is.
Over the past 14 days Beltre's OPS is more than 100 points higher than Cabrera's. If Cabrera and Beltre swapped parks I'm guessing Cabrera's OPS would be between 150 and 200 points higher than Beltre's (Cabrera's career OPS is 150 points higher than Beltre's). Career-wise they aren't close, Cabrera IS SUPERIOR to Beltre as a hitter in every way. Now, then and tomorrow. Oh...and according to defensive WAR at Beisbol reference Cabrera's is 0.1, Beltre's is 0.0. That doesn't seem to be a significant difference does it?

Career .277 /.329 /.470 /.799 322HRs/1158 RBI 8300 Plate Appearances

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Cabrera is having an off year at the plate and is still .55 OPS points ahead of Beltre and leading him in every other category including triples and steals.
 
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no EE love at DH?
Having an amazing year for sure.
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Player	     Pos	Team	AVG	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	K	OBP	SLG	OPSDavid Ortiz	DH	BOS	.314	245	46	77	21	0	17	45	0	1	35	36	.397	.608	1.005Adam Dunn	DH	CHW	.225	236	42	53	10	0	23	52	0	1	54	109	.369	.559	.928Edwin Encarnac	DH	TOR	.283	251	40	71	13	0	20	48	6	1	24	49	.351	.574	.925
 
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'shadyridr said:
no EE love at DH?
Having an amazing year for sure.
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Player	     Pos	Team	AVG	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	K	OBP	SLG	OPSDavid Ortiz	DH	BOS	.314	245	46	77	21	0	17	45	0	1	35	36	.397	.608	1.005Adam Dunn	DH	CHW	.225	236	42	53	10	0	23	52	0	1	54	109	.369	.559	.928Edwin Encarnac	DH	TOR	.283	251	40	71	13	0	20	48	6	1	24	49	.351	.574	.925
Up to 24 errorless games at 1B too. :thumbup:
 
'Doctor Detroit said:
Over the past 14 days Beltre's OPS is more than 100 points higher than Cabrera's. If Cabrera and Beltre swapped parks I'm guessing Cabrera's OPS would be between 150 and 200 points higher than Beltre's (Cabrera's career OPS is 150 points higher than Beltre's). Career-wise they aren't close, Cabrera IS SUPERIOR to Beltre as a hitter in every way. Now, then and tomorrow. Oh...and according to defensive WAR at Beisbol reference Cabrera's is 0.1, Beltre's is 0.0. That doesn't seem to be a significant difference does it?Career .277 /.329 /.470 /.799 322HRs/1158 RBI 8300 Plate Appearances2012

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Cabrera is having an off year at the plate and is still .55 OPS points ahead of Beltre and leading him in every other category including triples and steals.
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'Doctor Detroit said:
Over the past 14 days Beltre's OPS is more than 100 points higher than Cabrera's. If Cabrera and Beltre swapped parks I'm guessing Cabrera's OPS would be between 150 and 200 points higher than Beltre's (Cabrera's career OPS is 150 points higher than Beltre's). Career-wise they aren't close, Cabrera IS SUPERIOR to Beltre as a hitter in every way. Now, then and tomorrow. Oh...and according to defensive WAR at Beisbol reference Cabrera's is 0.1, Beltre's is 0.0. That doesn't seem to be a significant difference does it?Career .277 /.329 /.470 /.799 322HRs/1158 RBI 8300 Plate Appearances2012

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Cabrera is having an off year at the plate and is still .55 OPS points ahead of Beltre and leading him in every other category including triples and steals.
:rolleyes:
:own3d:
 
'Doctor Detroit said:
Over the past 14 days Beltre's OPS is more than 100 points higher than Cabrera's. If Cabrera and Beltre swapped parks I'm guessing Cabrera's OPS would be between 150 and 200 points higher than Beltre's (Cabrera's career OPS is 150 points higher than Beltre's). Career-wise they aren't close, Cabrera IS SUPERIOR to Beltre as a hitter in every way. Now, then and tomorrow. Oh...and according to defensive WAR at Beisbol reference Cabrera's is 0.1, Beltre's is 0.0. That doesn't seem to be a significant difference does it?Career .277 /.329 /.470 /.799 322HRs/1158 RBI 8300 Plate Appearances2012

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Cabrera is having an off year at the plate and is still .55 OPS points ahead of Beltre and leading him in every other category including triples and steals.
:rolleyes:
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Yes, you got me. Nowhere in here has any Ranger fan claimed that Beltre was a better hitter than Cabrera, we all know that Cabrera is the better hitter regardless of what statistics say. All I said was that Beltre's offensive numbers were only slightly lower than Cabrera's. Which they were/are. And Beltre is a GG 3B, which he is... multiple times. Funny that you like to like to hang your hat on Beltre's "hot streak" while completely ignoring it came on the heals of Cabrera going 8/19 with 3 doubles and 4 HR's and an unsustainable OPS of 1.6, and completely ignorning they have 250+ AB's to compare. As already mentioned, at the begining of June Beltre had a higher BA, OPS and more HR than Cabrera, a lot of these votes were already cast at that point, and yes the Rangers fans got out the vote and that is what is putting Beltre over the edge.How much whining can we expect from you when Scherzer is left off the ASG roster? Will that be a Japanese-Ranger conspiracy?
Advantage to the Tigers in starting pitching, with the Rangers having the better bullpen. lol at anyong thinking Harrison, Colby Cheese or the other guy are better than Scherzer, that is pretty entertaining. Hitting is pretty much the same, maybe a very slight advantage to the Rangers.
It's just really hard for me to take you serious when you constantly throw out blow hard nuggets like this one. I'm still lol'ing that I thought that any of those 3 were better than Scherzer. :bye:
 
'Doctor Detroit said:
Kinsler and all the other Rangers should be leading at ever position, if you don't think so you're bitter.
Well Cabrera only has "slightly better offensive numbers" so I don't see a problem there.Apparently Bogart has an issue with what I said, he was preventing himself from being pulled into a huge David Murphy debate with me. :mellow: I mean how is David Murphy being 5th in All Star voting not funny? Ctdub doesn't think it is I guess, everyone not voting Rangers is bitter. :lmao:
Of course the Moreland/Murphy votes are ridiculous. I've seen one Rangers fan in this entire thread even attempt to make a case that Beltre/Cabrera is at least a palpible discussion. No one is pounding their chests or even arguing the Murphy ranking The anti-Rangers rhetoric coming from you and Scrumt... makes you sound like scorned little junior high school girls. It's kids, drunk fans, elderly people and the Japaneese that are voting; not the BBWA.
:lmao:The Murphy stuff is shtick to illuminate my overall point and to attract the sensitive bees to the honey. I've done well here. :thumbup:
So your "shtick" is de-railing a possibly interesting and thoughtful topic by mocking some silly fan voting results in the hopes that you can illicit an inflammatory or argumentative response from the offending team's fanbase?I hope I can speak for others when I say we're all just sitting on pins and needles waiting for your next dastardly baseball web forum scheme or overtly ironic use or smileys.
 

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